I wanted to give a warning to others on the site about my experience with BWoody (indirectly and directly) so no one else is impacted like I was. And a side note about user Yamil from this site.
The Cliff Notes version of the situation is below. Read the details below that if you are interested:
-My seller (Yamil from this site) bought a FRI Littleboy replica expecting the exact same specs.
-My seller sold the cam to me assuming the same.
-Due to no cam card and all the stickers on the cam box either peeled off the Lunati box or black marked over, I had what I thought was a cam with FRI Littleboy specs installed for $400 plus shop supplies like oil, filter, coolant, etc. A total of about $500.
-When the truck wouldn’t idle, I did a lot of research including calls to Lunati to get the actual specs of the cam I had. Come to find out it is not a FRI Littleboy replica.
-I find out Bwoody is advertising the FRI Littleboy cam as a replica and even going as far as listing the Littleboy specs on the website but is having their source ship another cam with wildly different specs to their customers. Per Andy, this has come up as an issue with more than just me.
-Now I am out install money for the first cam install, then the difference in purchase price between Yamil's new in box BWoody 'Littelboy' cam and the real Littleboy from MWP, and finally all the time, time away from work, long distance phone calls, alternate transportation, and effort to get it straightened out.
DETAILS:
I purchased a ‘FRI Littleboy’ camshaft from a member on this site (Yamil). When I got the cam it was in a Lunati box and not a Comp Cams box as I had heard a real FRI Littleboy should be. I asked Yamil about that discrepancy and he said the cam came from BWoody and was a replica. Yamil included the text from the BWoody site which gave the Littleboy specs and at the bottom of their description it mentions that it is a replica. I started a thread on this site prior to getting the response from the seller asking for cam stampings for the Littleboy so I could confirm what I had.
After hearing it was a replica (meaning copy) and no one responded with a technical/mechanical reason I shouldn’t just install it, I had my installer put it in.
The idle was very choppy and would not stay running with the stock tune or any aftermarket tune I had. I have heard many people say a FRI Littleboy cam will run with a stock tune so I had not gotten a CMR tune prior to install because my install date was up in the air for a short period.
After going straight to Lunati and getting the cam specs decoded from the stampings on the cam, I found out it is very different than the Littleboy cam. The BWoody cam is 221/227 @ .050. 545/544 with 113 LSA. Whereas the Littleboy is 214/218 @ .050. 565/555 and 114 LSA.
I talked with Mike, the manager of BWoody to explain the issue after letting the seller know. I had been exploring if maybe the wrong cam was grabbed off the shelf and sent to my seller by accident. I was given the contact information for the source of the cam (Andy at PWR) and told to contact him which I did. I was initially told by BWoody directly (and then by my seller who was told this by Bwoody also) my installer made a mistake until I gave Mike all the details from the talk with Lunati. Then he suggested maybe there was an incorrect cam shipped. During the conversation I was told that they (Bwoody) had been offered a Littleboy equivalent and they may have shipped that to my seller. But Mike didn’t know the specs on their equivalent which I find ironic considering this is a product they sell with specs included on their site. I reminded Mike that the original Littleboy specs are still on his site still and that the specs I had already given him for the cam I got was WAY different. We left it there until I could talk with the cams source.
Andy later confirmed that the equivalent cam was shipped as agreed to by Bwoody. And based on the specs I gave him which I got directly from Lunati, it was indeed the cam he shipped out. In other words, no error occurred. Andy shipped exactly what BWoody had agreed to sell as a Littleboy alternative. NOTE. Alternative is not the same thing as a replica. Clearly BWoody is misrepresenting a product they sell by giving one set of specs and having their supplier ship a completely different product. This is no fault of Andys. He was doing what he agreed to do and even offered to swap out this alternative cam with another of my choosing. He went above and beyond on something he had no hand in causing. I didnt take him up on it because I had already ordered the Littleboy cam from MWP.
When I gave all these details to Mike from BWoody, I was told they must have been the victim of miscommunication with Andy or that Andy just went rogue and sent a cam of his choosing. When I asked them to pay for my first install since I had not asked for or expected an ‘Alternative’ set of specs, they said no. After recapping multiple times I finally offered to call us 'even' if they would just split the first install with me by giving me store credit of $250. Mike agreed to do it to mend fences and keep my future business. When I asked for an email stating the credit was on the books for my account, Mike said he had to speak with Greg to get an official email for the credit. I asked if we had a deal or not. He said yes, he would give me the $250 credit one way or another. Talking to Greg was just a formality.
I have now been trying to get them to give me the store credit so I can order my BWoody End Links for just over 2 months and now the story has changed to be Mike will not give me anything and that he will ask Greg if he would consider doing anything for me. I was told to call back and see what Greg said. But I no longer get return calls from the messages I leave. And he is never available when I catch someone.
This isn't a matter of if BWoody should split the install price with me. I think they should. But in the end, they are responsible for the part and not install. The issue here is they agreed to pay it. Confirmed they would compensate me with $250 store credit multiple times on the phone, and now says no. Knowing I have very little recourse as a third party buyer. And yes, I have asked Yamil to pay for it and get the money back from BWoody as he has slightly more leverage than I do as a customer who has spent over $10,000 with BWoody by Mikes admission. But Yamil stopped all communication and refuses to respond.
(Along the way, I disputed the payment to Yamil with Paypal and Yamil contested the dispute. Saying I had been advised after recieving the product it was a replica. I eventually won the dispute by proving it was not a replica and therefore I was shipped something that was different than what I purchased. Paypal had to force a refund from Yamils account after I shipped the cam back and I showed signature confirmation Yamil got it.)
The Cliff Notes version of the situation is below. Read the details below that if you are interested:
-My seller (Yamil from this site) bought a FRI Littleboy replica expecting the exact same specs.
-My seller sold the cam to me assuming the same.
-Due to no cam card and all the stickers on the cam box either peeled off the Lunati box or black marked over, I had what I thought was a cam with FRI Littleboy specs installed for $400 plus shop supplies like oil, filter, coolant, etc. A total of about $500.
-When the truck wouldn’t idle, I did a lot of research including calls to Lunati to get the actual specs of the cam I had. Come to find out it is not a FRI Littleboy replica.
-I find out Bwoody is advertising the FRI Littleboy cam as a replica and even going as far as listing the Littleboy specs on the website but is having their source ship another cam with wildly different specs to their customers. Per Andy, this has come up as an issue with more than just me.
-Now I am out install money for the first cam install, then the difference in purchase price between Yamil's new in box BWoody 'Littelboy' cam and the real Littleboy from MWP, and finally all the time, time away from work, long distance phone calls, alternate transportation, and effort to get it straightened out.
DETAILS:
I purchased a ‘FRI Littleboy’ camshaft from a member on this site (Yamil). When I got the cam it was in a Lunati box and not a Comp Cams box as I had heard a real FRI Littleboy should be. I asked Yamil about that discrepancy and he said the cam came from BWoody and was a replica. Yamil included the text from the BWoody site which gave the Littleboy specs and at the bottom of their description it mentions that it is a replica. I started a thread on this site prior to getting the response from the seller asking for cam stampings for the Littleboy so I could confirm what I had.
After hearing it was a replica (meaning copy) and no one responded with a technical/mechanical reason I shouldn’t just install it, I had my installer put it in.
The idle was very choppy and would not stay running with the stock tune or any aftermarket tune I had. I have heard many people say a FRI Littleboy cam will run with a stock tune so I had not gotten a CMR tune prior to install because my install date was up in the air for a short period.
After going straight to Lunati and getting the cam specs decoded from the stampings on the cam, I found out it is very different than the Littleboy cam. The BWoody cam is 221/227 @ .050. 545/544 with 113 LSA. Whereas the Littleboy is 214/218 @ .050. 565/555 and 114 LSA.
I talked with Mike, the manager of BWoody to explain the issue after letting the seller know. I had been exploring if maybe the wrong cam was grabbed off the shelf and sent to my seller by accident. I was given the contact information for the source of the cam (Andy at PWR) and told to contact him which I did. I was initially told by BWoody directly (and then by my seller who was told this by Bwoody also) my installer made a mistake until I gave Mike all the details from the talk with Lunati. Then he suggested maybe there was an incorrect cam shipped. During the conversation I was told that they (Bwoody) had been offered a Littleboy equivalent and they may have shipped that to my seller. But Mike didn’t know the specs on their equivalent which I find ironic considering this is a product they sell with specs included on their site. I reminded Mike that the original Littleboy specs are still on his site still and that the specs I had already given him for the cam I got was WAY different. We left it there until I could talk with the cams source.
Andy later confirmed that the equivalent cam was shipped as agreed to by Bwoody. And based on the specs I gave him which I got directly from Lunati, it was indeed the cam he shipped out. In other words, no error occurred. Andy shipped exactly what BWoody had agreed to sell as a Littleboy alternative. NOTE. Alternative is not the same thing as a replica. Clearly BWoody is misrepresenting a product they sell by giving one set of specs and having their supplier ship a completely different product. This is no fault of Andys. He was doing what he agreed to do and even offered to swap out this alternative cam with another of my choosing. He went above and beyond on something he had no hand in causing. I didnt take him up on it because I had already ordered the Littleboy cam from MWP.
When I gave all these details to Mike from BWoody, I was told they must have been the victim of miscommunication with Andy or that Andy just went rogue and sent a cam of his choosing. When I asked them to pay for my first install since I had not asked for or expected an ‘Alternative’ set of specs, they said no. After recapping multiple times I finally offered to call us 'even' if they would just split the first install with me by giving me store credit of $250. Mike agreed to do it to mend fences and keep my future business. When I asked for an email stating the credit was on the books for my account, Mike said he had to speak with Greg to get an official email for the credit. I asked if we had a deal or not. He said yes, he would give me the $250 credit one way or another. Talking to Greg was just a formality.
I have now been trying to get them to give me the store credit so I can order my BWoody End Links for just over 2 months and now the story has changed to be Mike will not give me anything and that he will ask Greg if he would consider doing anything for me. I was told to call back and see what Greg said. But I no longer get return calls from the messages I leave. And he is never available when I catch someone.
This isn't a matter of if BWoody should split the install price with me. I think they should. But in the end, they are responsible for the part and not install. The issue here is they agreed to pay it. Confirmed they would compensate me with $250 store credit multiple times on the phone, and now says no. Knowing I have very little recourse as a third party buyer. And yes, I have asked Yamil to pay for it and get the money back from BWoody as he has slightly more leverage than I do as a customer who has spent over $10,000 with BWoody by Mikes admission. But Yamil stopped all communication and refuses to respond.
(Along the way, I disputed the payment to Yamil with Paypal and Yamil contested the dispute. Saying I had been advised after recieving the product it was a replica. I eventually won the dispute by proving it was not a replica and therefore I was shipped something that was different than what I purchased. Paypal had to force a refund from Yamils account after I shipped the cam back and I showed signature confirmation Yamil got it.)