OK so I'm going to the track on Sunday for the first time. Got a guy from a local forum who has challenged me to a grudge match. He's got an '01 Cobra with a Terminator Conversion kit ('03 BLOWER), he will be running Nitto's but the only stipulation is he has to run 36psi, I will verify. I have seen video of him running at the track and he tends to spin quite a bit in 1st and 2nd. Question is do I stand a chance of winning in the 1/4 mile. I know he will be coming like a freight train as he says he traps around 120mph.
Any thoughts?

You should get him. Those things are pretty strong but not that strong.....and they ALL spin like that if they make power.

Depending on how bad he spins, if he is trapping at 120 like he says you better get out of the hole quickly!

Depending on how bad he spins, if he is trapping at 120 like he says you better get out of the hole quickly!

Shallow stage and nail it on the last yellow!!

Shallow stage and nail it on the last yellow!!

Pretty much.

You have to overcome his high trap speed with a great launch, put a couple of cars on him while he spins and its over, but if he soft launches it may get ugly if he really does trap that high.

Come back with a kill and good luck.

Pretty much.

You have to overcome his high trap speed with a great launch, put a couple of cars on him while he spins and its over, but if he soft launches it may get ugly if he really does trap that high.

Come back with a kill and good luck.

I'm prepared for ugly, I don't want ugly, but I am prepared. Lots o trash talking going on here, gonna be some tuned up TBSS action as well..........YA'LL wish me luck damnit..........

What forum is the trash talking going on? Any link to it?

What forum is the trash talking going on? Any link to it?

http://musclecar-evolution.com/forums/index.php

I traded in an 03 cobra for my gc .The cobra had a cat back, cia, 2.7 blower pulley and tune.The cobra was definetly faster.The automatic in the gc sucks.

I traded in an 03 cobra for my gc .The cobra had a cat back, cia, 2.7 blower pulley and tune.The cobra was definetly faster.The automatic in the gc sucks.

I am totally satisfied with my shifts now, just need a little more KR out, or maybe some octane..........the ole girl feels pretty strong...dunno?

The 03 motor and trans is different from 01.The 03 has a 6 speed,iron block,forged pistons and rods.Can make 600 rwhp with ported stock blower.

No way in hell will it make 600rw with a ported stock blower even with all the bolt-ons, more like 520-540rw (on an optimistic dyno).
Long story short, how well he can drive is going to play a large roll in determining exactly what speed he blows by you. Power to weight is bigtime in his favor, whereas you have the traction/gearing edge until around 60mph.
Make sure you run from a dig, but you'll only be able to hold him off for so long (maybe 1/8th mile).

A chick I know from the gym has an 03' Cobra Conv. Cameleon paint job with a couple things on it and she said it runs low 12's no problem on street tires.

Sounds like an '04 Mystic Vert. Fairly rare.

I also traded an 03 Cobra for my GC. It had a 2.8 pulley, Billetflow TB, CAI, full 3" SW off road exhaust(no long tubes), & a GOOD dynotune. On the stock F1s I ran 12.06@119. The car dynoed at 455/483.
If he's on 315 Nittos, I don't know if you'll have much of an advantage on the launch.

A rearwheel drive car that traps 120 mph has to ET around 12.0 or less, so if you never took the Jeep down the 1/4 mile before, be ready to get a good launch to get a head start but expect him to fly by after the 1/8 marker. Sorry but trap speeds dont lie, he's making power.
Check this video of me after I got headers going 12.48@112 and being eaten alive by Gazoo and his supercharged Mustang Steeda on sliks who went 11.84@120.3

http://s91.photobucket.com/albums/k306/SilveRT8/?action=view&current=1248112.20.flv
Claude

hey claude, nice times.. seemed like you were sleeping a tad at the line with that stang... def didnt launch together. he didn't red light?

I also traded an 03 Cobra for my GC. It had a 2.8 pulley, Billetflow TB, CAI, full 3" SW off road exhaust(no long tubes), & a GOOD dynotune. On the stock F1s I ran 12.06@119. The car dynoed at 455/483.
If he's on 315 Nittos, I don't know if you'll have much of an advantage on the launch.

These look like is hp #s, and he's on 285 Nitto's with 36psi that I will verify, hopefully the tire pressure will be somewhat of an equalizer? Any thoughts?

You'll definitely get him off the line, but he'll catch you by the 1/8 like everyone else said. Video it if you can. Just remember we're in an SUV and he's in a Mustang, two different animals. Have fun.

By the time the Cobra hits second gear, just take your right hand off the wheel and wave to him as he flies by.

BTW....

Used to own a 2003 Cobra BTW
Stock blower, 2.93 pulley, full exhaust, CAI, dyno tune 460rwhp/460tqe
Ran a 12.21@119.57 with a 2.06 60' time on stock Goodyear F1's

They call these Cobras TERMINATORS for a reason....

Don't bet money, you will get raped.

It's all in the cobra driver if he can drive you will lose.
Me being a cobra owner I'm not impressed with half of the cobra owners driving skills. Most want to make 600-700 rwhp and can't even get the car into the 10s thats bad.

I had a 10 sec Cobra..................

If he is not a racer, he may still go flying by up top, but here is what to do.

Ice the intake, pull ABS fuse, keep truck cool.

Shallow stage, leave in autostick, slam the gas to the floor on the last yellow.
...no brake torquing.

You may scare him so bad off the line, he may mat his, and spin, and hit 2nd
and spin, and miss a gear or something?????????? you never know.

I have raced faster cars lots of times in different vehicles, and if you leave the
person on the line, their tendency is to floor it................

Leave hard, and hope he messes up.....if you lose, so what, you are in a fully
loaded 5000lb SUV.
He is in the king of the new age muscle cars?????

Goodluck.

hey claude, nice times.. seemed like you were sleeping a tad at the line with that stang... def didnt launch together. he didn't red light?

No, I slept on this one as I was trying to set-up the Dashhawk to also get the 0-60 time of 3.69 on this one and could not launch before the Dashhawk said 'ready'. So I reacted .419 to his .120, also his 60ft was 1.69 to my 1.74
Claude

Sounds like an '04 Mystic Vert. Fairly rare.

Yeah, thats it

Good luck. All depends on the driver like everyone has said. Ive seen ported and pullied Cobras in the mid 11's to mid 12's

My buddy has an 04 cobra and he is putting down 426 to the wheels with just CAI and exhaust. I ran him couple of times from 60 and he immediately put 2 cars and started pulling away. I don't know what we would do off the line but I think he'll you get you on the top end.

You know, a 125 shot of juice isn't too difficult to install. You could still have it all together by this weekend.:D

bah 125.. hide a 50, i'd think that would be plenty

You know, a 125 shot of juice isn't too difficult to install. You could still have it all together by this weekend.:D

I was thinking the same thing. I have an 03 cobra w/RR2.75upper, Full Bassani exhaust, intake, tune, Accufab tb, C&L mass air and put down 486hp/507tq. A pullied Terminator is no joke, however, they do weigh a good bit. They weigh in around 3600lbs depending on if its a vert or not. A vert will weigh a little more. Your best bet is to spray your SRT8, and that should do the trick, especialy if he has sticky tires. Good luck!

He did say the car is a 01 cobra with an 03 blower.I dont think the 01 will run as strong as a real 03 terminator.

qluber, just get some more miles on Daves tune and get the highest octance rating for race day, get there EARLY enough your intake is cool to the touch and be the 1st in line to tech check as well as him and agree to be one of the 1st to run down the track. Go around the water, more than likely he will not so being one of the first to run is even more of an advantage as the water is not all up close to the staging area so even more grip on your part. CobraKid hit it good with his suggestions, on my 12.88 run it was against a Cobra and I hole shot him so bad I actually think he gave up??? Shallow stage and nail it like you said on the 2nd yellow if its in the low 50's mid 40's with your mods and DA is not like way high he more than likely will beat you but not kill you

I smoked a buddy of mine in a real 2003 cobra stock,... the 2003 supercharged cobra has ind. suspention and hooks up a little better than the 2001 would. there can be some wheel hop with the 03 but the 2001 with a blower ought to have a hard time getting off the line without some fishtailing unless he has some traction bars and real good tires. Most people that put a blower on a mustang cant afford to put money into the rearend, suspention, tires....

I smoked a buddy of mine in a real 2003 cobra stock,... the 2003 supercharged cobra has ind. suspention and hooks up a little better than the 2001 would. there can be some wheel hop with the 03 but the 2001 with a blower ought to have a hard time getting off the line without some fishtailing unless he has some traction bars and real good tires. Most people that put a blower on a mustang cant afford to put money into the rearend, suspention, tires....

He has stock rearend, his best time to date is 12.2 on Nitto's at 18psi, i only agreed to race if he ran 36psi, maybe this will be the key? Keep your fingers crossed plenty of vids to follow I hope, maybe a win? Thanks for your input guys!

Skottfree. I Got Smoked This Summer When I Was New And Stock. I Even Got Smoked By A Civic That Ran A 12.12. After A Month Got All The Regular Mods Done And Still Got Smoked By Imports Not To Mention Domestics. Even Though I Was Running Low 12's. But I Am Dropping Off The Jeep This Weekend For A New Makeover. I Should Be Running Low 11's When I Get Her Back. I'll Be Ready For Next Season. Just Have Fun Bro. Then Dump Some Coin And "let Er Eat" For Next Time.

I smoked a buddy of mine in a real 2003 cobra stock,... the 2003 supercharged cobra has ind. suspention and hooks up a little better than the 2001 would. there can be some wheel hop with the 03 but the 2001 with a blower ought to have a hard time getting off the line without some fishtailing unless he has some traction bars and real good tires. Most people that put a blower on a mustang cant afford to put money into the rearend, suspention, tires....

FWIW, 99-01s have IRS as well, though it's not as beefy (28 v 31 spline halfshafts), and that last sentence is a blatant and incorrect generalization.

Man......ignorance is bliss.

If the guy is trapping at 120, your jeep will be lucky to trap at 106-107....

Does anyone realize that is a 14 mph difference?

The Cobra/fake Cobra/Cobra motor car will run past you on the big end if he is running 36psi, 40psi, 80psi in his tires. It doesn't matter. I would nurse the car out of the hole and short shift and I would still have plenty of time to run you down upstairs....

Own one, or drive one and you would better understand.

Just get ready for the WHINE of the Eaton- hopefully it's not a KB.... You will start to hear it at the 330' foot mark and by 660' that's all she wrote.

Hopefully you'll stress him out when you get a few cars off the line and he'll get over ambitious on the 1-2 shift and fry his tires. I always used to have that problem with mine when someone would get me out of the hole.

Well figured qluber would have posted by now but my buddy Heath that went to the track with him said he broke into the 12's on his first pass but never got a chance to run the Cobra which was running I believe mid to high 11's

Send him my way, I'll embarrass his ass! lol.

I saw some real crappy driving this past Sunday at MIR.
My wife even comented on how bad the driver's were in some of the vehicles.
..but to defend "some" of them a little, the track hooks so good, that some
were bogging their cars, which I am sure they weren't used to.

some times, driver error will lose a seemingly easy race.

Send him my way, I'll embarrass his ass! lol..

Yes, Yes you will:D

Terminator Conversion Kit? http://www.theplaceholder.com/forums/images/smilies/eek13.gif

Any results from this outing?

some times, driver error will lose a seemingly easy race.

so true,you never know...thats why you play the game....

jets vs colts 1969 super bowl...nuff said

So What Was The Outcome?

So What Was The Outcome?


http://s109.photobucket.com/albums/n56/proudhemi/?action=view&current=SRT-8Jeepvs450rwhp04cobra.flv

autos make it alot easier don't they. all we got to do is slam the gas and go straight. pretty simple huh? good job bro. now get that bad boy into the 11's and you'll have that none shiftin' fool sunk by half track.

my 05 ran 13's because of tire spin!!!

http://www.loudvtwins.com/badass/

Flex

Good job and nice video. Having owned an 03 Cobra I can tell you that hooking it up was no small task. And with the stock shifter the gear changes could be an adventure. So yeah, floor it and steer is a pleasure!

..............that's weird, he came out right with you, then messed it up.

I told you, that would happen. He would get frightened with your takeoff
then mess up something.

good job.

If he would have had blinders on, and concentrated on his run, he prolly would
have got you. maybe not.

Now spray that sum-*****, and take out all the worry of future questionable races!

I am not a fan of Mustangs and know very little about them. During the summer I raced a supercharged Cobra, with the nice FMIC. Apparently he had it tuned and had done some work on it. We found a good straight back road and ran 3 tenths instead of a quarter. I got him on launch but he came back around second and third and got me by a car length, I was completely stock. I still had fun though!

A rearwheel drive car that traps 120 mph has to ET around 12.0 or less, so if you never took the Jeep down the 1/4 mile before, be ready to get a good launch to get a head start but expect him to fly by after the 1/8 marker. Sorry but trap speeds dont lie, he's making power.
Check this video of me after I got headers going 12.48@112 and being eaten alive by Gazoo and his supercharged Mustang Steeda on sliks who went 11.84@120.3

http://s91.photobucket.com/albums/k306/SilveRT8/?action=view&current=1248112.20.flv
Claude

Did I see that right...I think I did! Did the driver of the Mustang have to get out to spray water into the box. Talk about self service:eek:

13.18?

That cobra definately had an intake, you could tell by the blower whine.

It was a convertable, and you can hear the guy getting in and out of it all through 2nd gear.

I don't know what everyone is talking about these cars being "hard" to launch off the line?

You leave like you were leaving from a red light, and let the torque from the Eaton do the rest.

.........without slicks, and with mods, the Cobras are a little tricky to "fire" off the line.

They are like my brother's Shelby, they either burn, or bog.

You can't get any easier than launching a SRT8 Jeep on a halfway prepped track.

c'mon cobrakid, like I said, I'm not Andretti, but I went to Atco on a day and put in 5 runs....didn't get less than a 2.2 60', and the best was a 2.0 on street tires.

you sound like you know what you are doing, that's cool.

the Eaton supercharger is alot more predictable with the torque explosion than when I had my KB. I would agree with you if you were talking about your KB, but not with the Eaton.

Ask anyone who can make a 03/04 cobra launch "hard" and I'll bet they say "it sure is tricky", but when you get it figured out....it all over. I think Evan Smith from MM&FF put a 03 stocker in the 12.40's bonestock( i forget the mph).
Hell, i pulled a 1.52 60' on 17'' tires with a 5speed in my 93 coupe. You should've heard the sound of the 4wd cars like the EVO's, eclipse's, and wrx's smashing of the rev limiter, flame shooting out the fart cans, going into 2nd gear trying to holeshot me HA HA HA. After all three tried to line up against me... they all went home LOSERS!
Point of the story is just to watch out for the few who can drive.
Nice Kill though, chaulk up another one!

the Eaton supercharger is alot more predictable with the torque explosion than when I had my KB. I would agree with you if you were talking about your KB, but not with the Eaton.