Does anyone know if there is a mod out there that can make our nav systems play dvds so we can watch them in the front? I mean it has a VES option when a dvd is in the back, but it only plays sound, not picture. I know it can do it and people have said it can and has been done. But does anyone know who or how???

I sure hope this is feasible. Somebody please come through....

I spoke with a knowledgable car audio installer a few months back regarding this issue ... He claimed that the nav unit would be removed and shipped to Florida to be reprogrammed in order to allow for dvd playback ... In addition, he mentioned adding an additional video input to allow for a backup camera and a direct connection for ipod that would even allow for movie playback via Nav head unit from ipod!!! I believe he quoted roughly $1500.00 for the reprogramming alone. I cannot remember exactly where, but I read a thread making similar claims from somewhere in FL ...

www.streetnoyz.com

I spoke with the owner, Skip

Does anyone know if there is a mod out there that can make our nav systems play dvds so we can watch them in the front? I mean it has a VES option when a dvd is in the back, but it only plays sound, not picture. I know it can do it and people have said it can and has been done. But does anyone know who or how???

Below is a link. I can say that my son put this in his Titan....He went full tilt with everything and can watch DVDs on Nav, TV, etc. Has a great back up camera too. I believe you can get one or two different versions. Said customer service was great when he called supplier with a few questions. I have seen all his funtions and they work well. Give em a call. Local stereo guy did install and it was great. Not sure on pricing of different break outs.

Be sure to click on products and look at budget version.

http://www.avelectronic.com/NavigationVid-Switcher.htm

Yes, a mod absolutely exists for this. Company is called TVandNav2Go.

http://www.tvandnav2go.com/index.html

They have a great reputation on their mods. They provide two inputs that can be used for DVD, game console, rear backup camera, etc. You can read about them over at 300C forums. Tons of guys have had it done to their units and rave about it. Cost is $400 or $450 (I forget). I know they also offer group discounts for quantities over 10.

Here's but one thread over at 300c forums that you can read about, but search and you will find a bunch of others.

http://www.300cforums.com/forums/car-audio-alarms-navigation/21100-tvnav2go-modded-xbox-periphrial-chyx-pitfall.html

Has anyone done this mod with the factory video entertainment system? The sound is processed through the factory head unit, instead of an FM modulator. Would be nice to have the video in front and back.

Awesome! Just looked at the http://tvandnav2go.net site and will be sending mine out soon. Hate the music on there web site......

Thanks for all the info on this guys... I called and checked prices... $450 is too much to pay for a leased car to just put video in the front. I would have to pay $$ to have the unit taken out then to be shipped there and back and then pay again to have it put back in...

The company seems kinda shady. They say it's a lot of work to do the mod. But they seem to be able to get it done in one day and get it shipped back to you that same day???

I bet they just send you back some referb unit. If they could garentee me I would get back the same unit and not have any problems with anything, I would be more up for doing it. also to add the warrenty would be void and they do not offer one as well.... I have learned my lesson in the past and would wrather just leave well enough alone.

I thought it would be something I could do myself.

I like the idea, and I don't question the integrity of TVand Nav, the are very well represented, I just don't have a week to wait! I am in Canada, and shipping electronics through customs isn't my idea of a good time. There is no such thing as overnight from here.

I was hoping for a local company, or at least one in Canada. I would like to do the mod myself, if it does indeed intergrate into the factory DVD player.

As for taking it out, whay not just do it yourself????

Disconnect the battery, pop the trim off, remove the bolts, unclip the harness. Done. Repeat procedure in reverse for install.

WOW,this is great!!!I would love to have a rear view camera and watch a DVD.Has anyone had this done??

Check out Navtv.com

Thanks for all the info on this guys... I called and checked prices... $450 is too much to pay for a leased car to just put video in the front. I would have to pay $$ to have the unit taken out then to be shipped there and back and then pay again to have it put back in...

The company seems kinda shady. They say it's a lot of work to do the mod. But they seem to be able to get it done in one day and get it shipped back to you that same day???

I bet they just send you back some referb unit. If they could garentee me I would get back the same unit and not have any problems with anything, I would be more up for doing it. also to add the warrenty would be void and they do not offer one as well.... I have learned my lesson in the past and would wrather just leave well enough alone.

I thought it would be something I could do myself.


They are very reputable.
I live a couple blocks from them and there store has been there for years.
Look up P&L Electronics, that is there store.

When I went to put a down payment on my 07',I knew the sales manager through a friend ,he told me when I pick up the truck he is going to show me how to play a dvd in the nav with no upgrade,I dont no if he is bull...... me or not but it sounded like he knew what he was talking about.Plus he was he one that brought it to my attention.If I find out I will post it,picking it up in about 8 weeks thats when I will probably know.I would do a little more research before upgrading the unit.

Please do post,but I don't think it's possible with out upgrades

Hey, just wondering, with the tvandnav2go units, can you use the dvd player and such while the car is in motion, or does it have to be in park?

they can mod it so it will play while driving...

You need a extra dvd player anyways to play dvd's from the nav. if it is hooked up like in the back of the car then it should be tv ready to watch while driving

When I went to put a down payment on my 07',I knew the sales manager through a friend ,he told me when I pick up the truck he is going to show me how to play a dvd in the nav with no upgrade,I dont no if he is bull...... me or not but it sounded like he knew what he was talking about.Plus he was he one that brought it to my attention.If I find out I will post it,picking it up in about 8 weeks thats when I will probably know.I would do a little more research before upgrading the unit.

This will not work.
This has been discussed and beaten yo a pulp numerous of times and only way to watch DVD are to mod your unit.
If it can be done without modding Ill be you a coffee and even a donut.

When I went to put a down payment on my 07',I knew the sales manager through a friend ,he told me when I pick up the truck he is going to show me how to play a dvd in the nav with no upgrade,I dont no if he is bull...... me or not but it sounded like he knew what he was talking about.Plus he was he one that brought it to my attention.If I find out I will post it,picking it up in about 8 weeks thats when I will probably know.I would do a little more research before upgrading the unit.

That's total BS. I recently bought a Navigator and was told "the service guys are working on making the navigation unit play DVD's - they'll be able to make it work." I was told the same thing for my SRTGC. But when I talked to the service department, they chuckled and told me that the salesmen are telling people that as a way to sell cars. If it was possible, the manufacturers would be liable for selling a product that is a distraction for the driver - the first time someone wrecked because they were watching Goodfellas while driving and it was the dealer that hooked it up, the manufacturer would get sued. They can't risk it. Me, I'm getting ready to yank both head units and ship them to Navandtvtogo.

That's total BS. I recently bought a Navigator and was told "the service guys are working on making the navigation unit play DVD's - they'll be able to make it work." I was told the same thing for my SRTGC. But when I talked to the service department, they chuckled and told me that the salesmen are telling people that as a way to sell cars. If it was possible, the manufacturers would be liable for selling a product that is a distraction for the driver - the first time someone wrecked because they were watching Goodfellas while driving and it was the dealer that hooked it up, the manufacturer would get sued. They can't risk it. Me, I'm getting ready to yank both head units and ship them to Navandtvtogo.

Agreed with that, but some cars have the DVD players in there car and only works in park. Once the brake is depressed it turns off.
Why couldnt they do this at least?

Is everyone on this thread insane?? Watching DVDs in the front?? There is a reason that this is not offered, and the reason is to tutor any imbecile that thinks it is a good idea to watch a DVD while driving a 4800 lb 420 hp projectile on the same roads that I, and my young kids, are on. I can hear the defense now...oh no, I would only watch while stopped, never while driving...it is for a rear camera....yeah right, do you have a bridge to sell too?

Is everyone on this thread insane?? Watching DVDs in the front?? There is a reason that this is not offered, and the reason is to tutor any imbecile that thinks it is a good idea to watch a DVD while driving a 4800 lb 420 hp projectile on the same roads that I, and my young kids, are on. I can hear the defense now...oh no, I would only watch while stopped, never while driving...it is for a rear camera....yeah right, do you have a bridge to sell too?

o stop crying... there is a passenger seat up front also that may wanna watch a movie while traveling....

Is everyone on this thread insane?? Watching DVDs in the front?? There is a reason that this is not offered, and the reason is to tutor any imbecile that thinks it is a good idea to watch a DVD while driving a 4800 lb 420 hp projectile on the same roads that I, and my young kids, are on. I can hear the defense now...oh no, I would only watch while stopped, never while driving...it is for a rear camera....yeah right, do you have a bridge to sell too?

I won't lie to you. I plan on getting this mod for one reason and one reason only - so that I can put hardcore midget porn on while driving around at night with my windows down and the volume up so that all the old ladies in their Buick Regals can have heart attacks.

Actually, I 100% plan on watching movies while I drive. Sue me. I do a lot of long distance highway driving on empty stretches at 75 mph. Do you think that tv is more of a distraction than kids in the back seat or a cell phone? I don't. Or how about that hot blonde that is driving right beside you? As if you don't take your eyes off the road to 5 seconds at a time so that you can try to see down her top.

I won't lie to you. I plan on getting this mod for one reason and one reason only - so that I can put hardcore midget porn on while driving around at night with my windows down and the volume up so that all the old ladies in their Buick Regals can have heart attacks.

Actually, I 100% plan on watching movies while I drive. Sue me. I do a lot of long distance highway driving on empty stretches at 75 mph. Do you think that tv is more of a distraction than kids in the back seat or a cell phone? I don't. Or how about that hot blonde that is driving right beside you? As if you don't take your eyes off the road to 5 seconds at a time so that you can try to see down her top.
That is a scary thought!:confused:

The 1st paragraph or 2nd?

My G-d!!! Is it more distracting than a cell phone or kids in the back seat? Absolutely it is and cell phones should be avoided while driving also (laws are in the works, or in force in many states prohibiting use while driving). Front seat passengers will have to suffer without their DVDs so that drivers aren't tempted to risk their lives...so sad, do you think the passenger would be upset if they avoided a head on collision? Sue you?? No way, a lawsuit is way to lenient, you should be prosecuted, lose your license, have your vehicle confiscated, and be reported to all insurance carriers..do you think they will sell you insurance knowing what you intend to do behind the wheel? If they do, what do you think the premiums would be? That too would be lenient by comparison to the consequences if you injure or kill someone as a result....does the phrase vehicular manslaughter ring a bell? Check out the penalty for that one, or better yet, injure or kill someone working on the road and get the penalties doubled. If it weren't for the tragically stupid, we would not need laws mandating common sense behavior...It is because of a few idiots that the rest of us have to have big brother breathing down our necks (and pay for the priviledge in the form of higher taxes). At least be smart enough to keep your moronic ideas to yourself, although I would love to see you get nailed as a result of your verbal diarhea.

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Let's keep it civil and respectful please!

Are you referring to me, or the guy suggesting that it is a good idea to watch TV while driving in between trying to get a look at the breasts of female passers by? My responses were very civil and respectful (maybe too restrained) in the context of that neanderthals' assertions, don't you think?

Are you referring to me, or the guy suggesting that it is a good idea to watch TV while driving in between trying to get a look at the breasts of female passers by? My responses were very civil and respectful (maybe too restrained) in the context of that neanderthals' assertions, don't you think?

Now you want to tell us what you really think? Dam* Dude, you need to chill out a bit. Too restrained? Got some good adjectives going there I think...you know the ones........................ like "insane", "imbecile", "idiots", "moronic", "neanderthals". Happy motoring, and remember now, no fiddling with the radio knobs or cell calls...keep those eyes on the road.

I don't think so....would you be so forgiving of someone on the road driving drunk? What about after the crash? What if the injured, or killed was someone close to you (not just the criminal behind the wheel)? I agree with keeping the eyes on the road which, by the way, is the most important distinction between talking on a cell phone (which should be avoided when possible), changing a radio station, AND WATCHING TELEVISION WHILE YOU ARE DRIVING!!!!!

If I sound uptight, maybe it is because I work in the field of medicine, rehabilitation in particular, and have seen too many AVOIDABLE tragedies to be complacent. Not to forget a local crash perpetrated by a drunk driver killing a mother and all of her 3 children 2 years ago.

Impaired is impaired, whether it is getting behind the wheel knowingly inebriated, or terminally stupid enough to watch television while driving, these are lapses in judgement so heinous as to be intolerable. Less so, if we, as a society, have the good fortune that only the perpetrator is killed (not just injured, because then we have to pay for caring for the criminal), but it is inexcusable if there is even the chance that an innocent bystander could suffer injury or death as a result of some human scumballs lack of judgement.

While a fictional tale, I recommend you see a movie entitled "The Machinist" starring Christian Bale, very dark, well done, and pertinent to this topic.

ccbatson,
do you have a GC SRT8?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...
do you have a DCX or LX platform car?
otherwise we don't care for your comments.
honestly...
the point is to have it...
plain and simple...
if someone needs to install info...
here it is:
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=30824
enjoy,

Odd questions, do people without the vehicle spend time on the forum?? Anyway, yes I have an 06 GC SRT8 with Navigation, and REAR DVD. My stable also contains an 03 Viper SRT10, Moderately modded 1999 Camaro SS (SC, exhaust, trans, rear, etc), mildly modded 04 Zo6, mildly modded 71 LS5 Corvette, and a mildly modded 04 Subaru WRX STI.

"The point is to have it"??? What does that mean? That one would pay some hundreds or more dollars for the modification and never use it??? Whatever floats your boat I guess. I have no objection to that (but would be happy to take the money spent, tell you it is modified, and use the money for something else). If a tree falls in the woods...etc...how much should I pay for earplugs if I am not there to hear it???

If I didn't have a GC SRT8, "we" (best to speak for oneself, IMO) would not want to hear the opinion that seeking to watch television while driving is a very bad idea?? OK?? I have to admit your "logic" is dizzying.

Odd questions, do people without the vehicle spend time on the forum?? Anyway, yes I have an 06 GC SRT8 with Navigation, and REAR DVD. My stable also contains an 03 Viper SRT10, Moderately modded 1999 Camaro SS (SC, exhaust, trans, rear, etc), mildly modded 04 Zo6, mildly modded 71 LS5 Corvette, and a mildly modded 04 Subaru WRX STI.

"The point is to have it"??? What does that mean? That one would pay some hundreds or more dollars for the modification and never use it??? Whatever floats your boat I guess. I have no objection to that (but would be happy to take the money spent, tell you it is modified, and use the money for something else). If a tree falls in the woods...etc...how much should I pay for earplugs if I am not there to hear it???

If I didn't have a GC SRT8, "we" (best to speak for oneself, IMO) would not want to hear the opinion that seeking to watch television while driving is a very bad idea?? OK?? I have to admit your "logic" is dizzying.

I think someone needs a hug. Here, let's try this: you do to your truck what you want. I'll do what I want. Other people will do what they want. And we'll all respect what each other does. Or, we can try your approach: let's all use fiery, combative rhetoric to get our point of view across (a point of view that may or may not be shared by anyone else) and see if we can instigate a shouting match from behind our keyboards. I think I can see which approach you enjoy, Batson. You seem like one of the "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" type of people. I think you see life as a zero sum game where someone has to lose for you to win. And I feel sorry for you, but more sorry for people that come into contact with you (including those of us unfortunate enough to have interacted with you on this thread).

You rephrased your opinion of front-seat DVD as a "very bad idea" in your last post. Why didn't you say that at first? Because you didn't want to simply say that. You had to use imbecile, etc in your post. What does that add to this forum? Name calling? I think most of us outgrew that in grade school. It adds nothing and only makes the speaker look immature and his argument weak. If you want to debate facts, join in. If you want to call people names, go join a four square game at a local elementary. Here's an easy way to tell if you have run afoul of the rules of etiquette - if the forum monitor has to remind you of the rules of civility, you need to step back and rethink your approach to debate. And then hang you head in shame because another adult just had to remind you to be a nice person.

To answer your questions - yes, some non-owners hang aroung the forum. Yes, people spend thousands of dollars for mods and don't use them (or use them rarely). I personally spent close to $50K for a home theatre that I've used once in the past few years. Why? Because its my money and I'll spend it as I please. The same goes for my cars and for everyone else who has a car and a dollar and a dream. So please don't judge how others spend money. Its called respect. And no, please don't ever consider becoming a sponsoring vendor for any product or service because of your stated proclivity for taking money and not delivering the service/product requested.

There. I'm done.

I don't think so....would you be so forgiving of someone on the road driving drunk? What about after the crash? What if the injured, or killed was someone close to you (not just the criminal behind the wheel)? I agree with keeping the eyes on the road which, by the way, is the most important distinction between talking on a cell phone (which should be avoided when possible), changing a radio station, AND WATCHING TELEVISION WHILE YOU ARE DRIVING!!!!!

If I sound uptight, maybe it is because I work in the field of medicine, rehabilitation in particular, and have seen too many AVOIDABLE tragedies to be complacent. Not to forget a local crash perpetrated by a drunk driver killing a mother and all of her 3 children 2 years ago.

Impaired is impaired, whether it is getting behind the wheel knowingly inebriated, or terminally stupid enough to watch television while driving, these are lapses in judgement so heinous as to be intolerable. Less so, if we, as a society, have the good fortune that only the perpetrator is killed (not just injured, because then we have to pay for caring for the criminal), but it is inexcusable if there is even the chance that an innocent bystander could suffer injury or death as a result of some human scumballs lack of judgement.

While a fictional tale, I recommend you see a movie entitled "The Machinist" starring Christian Bale, very dark, well done, and pertinent to this topic.


I guess I'm not done. The Machinist? Great movie. Its in my collection. Watch "The Jacket." Also very good. You called me a Neanderthal? You're funny. You don't know me and never will. You'd be lucky to count me as a friend.

But here's a thought, Batson, you drive a Vette, a Viper, an SRT8, and a Camaro SS - I see a trend involving lots of horsepower and speed. Do you take advantage of that speed? Ever break the law? Of course you do. Did I sit here and call you a neaderthal, imbecile, loser, idiot, and infer that you deserve to die because you speed? No, but thats what you just did to me. You know that speeding is a HUGE cause of traffic fatalities, right? I guess you should since you're in the field of taking care of people injured in accidents. Did any of your patients ever say 'I was driving too fast and slid around a turn and hit a pole?" Of course. Did you blast them with your carefully chosen adjectives? Probably not because YOU SPEED TOO. But as soon as someone suggests a similarly dangerous activity that you don't happen to agree with, off you go on your high horse of judgment to scatter you verbal abuse. Glass houses, my friend. Get your own house in order before trying to heave rocks at ours. Or do you think yours is rock proof already? You probably do. Or are you the "do as I say, not as I do" person.

Can I get some feedback from the other forum members here? Am I off base here? Please feel free to let me know. I GLADLY accept constructive criticism. I don't accept destructive criticism. If you need a primer on the difference, Batson, please look into it before posting a response.

Omegaman, I am impressed, you appear far more intelligent than I had initially given you credit for (with one large acception). I largely agree with your libertarian stance on personal freedoms (spending money as one wishes etc) If, a persons' behavior potentially harms (or doesn't) only the person themself, then do whatever you wish and have fun. Not so in this instances with other motorists, pedestrians, roadworkers at risk as a result of someone elses bad judgement, hence laws prohibiting such behavior.

Uhhh, my first post stated very clearly (perhaps a bit colorfully) that I thought watching DVDs while driving was a bad idea. I am not sure how you could miss that.

You liked "The Machinist" did you catch the analagy?

Yes I own/drive high powered vehicles, but no, I do not knowingly break the law and endanger myself or others. I have one moving violation from turning on a red light in a Ford Escape 6 years ago, nothing else. If, and when, I am so inclined, I will go to a track (living in Michigan, there a lots of opportunities) to stretch my legs, and , every so often, within the law, I will accelerate rapidly on a wide open piece of road. 99% of the time I am criticized for driving like a grandma. So, I agree, I have spent a lot of time and money on this pursuit and capability that is seldom used, but that is different than "never" used.

Constructive criticism? Give up on the idea of watching television while you are driving....It is surreal to be in a debate where this phrase would need to be uttered, or written, because it is the most self evident piece of common sense that I can imagine, and any sober person would know this intuitively. I defy you to find anyone one (other than yourself) that would openly disagree with this assertion. Would anyone conclude that advocating that a driver watch DVD while driving could be described as smart? correct? I think not, hence the more appropriate, but justifiably less complementary adjectives used in my earlier comments.

Analagy on constructive criticism: An able minded adult sincerely asks your advice on how to murder an innocent victim, he later performs the murder, and admits it to you. The listener should:

a. Tell him to redirect his ambitions towards other endeavors.
b. Seek Psychiatric care.
c. Call the authorities and have him arrested.
d. Ignore him.

If you answered anything but C, do B immediately. Destructive criticism? maybe, appropriate and necessary? Absolutely. Would constructive criticism be the same as complacense and appeasement (as well as making you an accessory)? I think so.

I have to admit, and posit a disclaimer...I do enjoy debate and argument, so you are right about me in the beginning of your most recent response. Please keep that in mind for perspective, and don't take it too personally.

"Omegaman, I am impressed, you appear far more intelligent than I had initially given you credit for (with one large acception). I largely agree with your libertarian stance on personal freedoms (spending money as one wishes etc) If, a persons' behavior potentially harms (or doesn't) only the person themself, then do whatever you wish and have fun. Not so in this instances with other motorists, pedestrians, roadworkers at risk as a result of someone elses bad judgement, hence laws prohibiting such behavior."

Where to begin? First, there are many laws prohibiting actions that harm no one except the actor. And there are many actions that harm others that do not have corresponding laws to make them illegal. If your stance is that there should be a law that prohibits any action that could potentially harm another then so be, it but I would hate to live in that world. As far as my intelligence goes, I've got a wall full of diplomas and degrees from impressive schools and a membership card to MENSA from when I was 10 years old that tells me I'm relatively smart.

"Uhhh, my first post stated very clearly (perhaps a bit colorfully) that I thought watching DVDs while driving was a bad idea. I am not sure how you could miss that."

I never said I didn't understand your position. I simply questioned the wisdom and maturity of HOW you decided to try to get your point across. I personally feel name calling is potentially harmful to me and should be outlawed. There - go start a petition and get that rolling.

"You liked "The Machinist" did you catch the analagy?"

What, that killing someone with a car will make me lose my sanity and become shockingly thin? Uh, yeah, I guess I got that.

"Yes I own/drive high powered vehicles, but no, I do not knowingly break the law and endanger myself or others. I have one moving violation from turning on a red light in a Ford Escape 6 years ago, nothing else. If, and when, I am so inclined, I will go to a track (living in Michigan, there a lots of opportunities) to stretch my legs, and , every so often, within the law, I will accelerate rapidly on a wide open piece of road. 99% of the time I am criticized for driving like a grandma. So, I agree, I have spent a lot of time and money on this pursuit and capability that is seldom used, but that is different than "never" used."

You say 'Do Not Knowingly Break The Law' - wow, now there's some wiggle room. I tried that once when I got pulled over for cruising along the interstate at 80mph on a clear sunny day. It didn't work. And I don't buy it from you. So you've NEVER gone above the speed limit EVER on purpose? You've never had to merge with traffic doing 80? You've never been on the interstate going through a work zone where there's no real reason for the cones to be out but they've marked the speed limit down from 65 to 35 and yet there's 2 lanes open and no one around and it feels okay to do 50 as long as you keep a close eye out for workers that may be around? Come on. Be real. You speed. I speed. We all speed. Don't say you don't. But if you're trying to add the modifier "and endanger myself or others" to make yourself feel better so that you can speed when you're doing it safely, then thats just disingenuous. If thats the way we're arguing, then you'd agree that its okay to watch DVDs when no one's on the road, right? I don't buy your position.

"Constructive criticism? Give up on the idea of watching television while you are driving....It is surreal to be in a debate where this phrase would need to be uttered, or written, because it is the most self evident piece of common sense that I can imagine, and any sober person would know this intuitively. I defy you to find anyone one (other than yourself) that would openly disagree with this assertion. Would anyone conclude that advocating that a driver watch DVD while driving could be described as smart? correct? I think not, hence the more appropriate, but justifiably less complementary adjectives used in my earlier comments. "

Let me ask you - is it ONLY this moving violation that draws your ire? What about the aforementioned 66 in a 65? Burnouts? Jackrabbit starts? Loud stereo systems? And as far as the 'justifiably less complementary adjectives" you mentioned, I have a few in mind for your positions but civility prevents their use.

"Analagy on constructive criticism: An able minded adult sincerely asks your advice on how to murder an innocent victim, he later performs the murder, and admits it to you. The listener should:

a. Tell him to redirect his ambitions towards other endeavors.
b. Seek Psychiatric care.
c. Call the authorities and have him arrested.
d. Ignore him.

If you answered anything but C, do B immediately. Destructive criticism? maybe, appropriate and necessary? Absolutely. Would constructive criticism be the same as complacense and appeasement (as well as making you an accessory)? I think so."

I have to say - I don't see how this is an analogy to constructive criticism. Nor do I see how its an example of the same. I will say this - failure to report a crime does not make you an accessory after the fact. Sorry. But I still don't see what larger point you're trying to make with this paragraph.

"I have to admit, and posit a disclaimer...I do enjoy debate and argument, so you are right about me in the beginning of your most recent response. Please keep that in mind for perspective, and don't take it too personally"

Debate and argument takes many forms. Most people enjoy spirited YET CIVIL debate. I know I do. I make a damn fine living at it. If you want to include personal attacks, I'll GLADLY take the gloves off and show you why my hourly rate is what it is. But I don't think its appropriate for this site, nor do most of the members. So follow the advice of the forum administrator that chastised you for you colorful statements and keep it civil (seriously, how does it feel as an adult to have someone tell you that you're acting childish???). If you want to tell me I'm wrong. Cool. Thats your opinion. If you want to be a keyboard warrior and call people names from the safety of your office/bedroom, find another site to do it at.

I guess I'm not done. The Machinist? Great movie. Its in my collection. Watch "The Jacket." Also very good. You called me a Neanderthal? You're funny. You don't know me and never will. You'd be lucky to count me as a friend.

But here's a thought, Batson, you drive a Vette, a Viper, an SRT8, and a Camaro SS - I see a trend involving lots of horsepower and speed. Do you take advantage of that speed? Ever break the law? Of course you do. Did I sit here and call you a neaderthal, imbecile, loser, idiot, and infer that you deserve to die because you speed? No, but thats what you just did to me. You know that speeding is a HUGE cause of traffic fatalities, right? I guess you should since you're in the field of taking care of people injured in accidents. Did any of your patients ever say 'I was driving too fast and slid around a turn and hit a pole?" Of course. Did you blast them with your carefully chosen adjectives? Probably not because YOU SPEED TOO. But as soon as someone suggests a similarly dangerous activity that you don't happen to agree with, off you go on your high horse of judgment to scatter you verbal abuse. Glass houses, my friend. Get your own house in order before trying to heave rocks at ours. Or do you think yours is rock proof already? You probably do. Or are you the "do as I say, not as I do" person.

Can I get some feedback from the other forum members here? Am I off base here? Please feel free to let me know. I GLADLY accept constructive criticism. I don't accept destructive criticism. If you need a primer on the difference, Batson, please look into it before posting a response.

No, you are definitely not off base in my opinion, that's for sure. All one has to do is read the posts from the beginning.....As I indicated, his choice of those quite descriptive adjectives alone is enough to make me turn a deaf ear to his rantings. Your analogy of "a very bad idea" is well put. What is it that Bill O'Reilly says....something about no bloviating and the spin stops here. I think I need some therapy myself after reading his comments and trying to understand the rationale.

My,my, we are full of ourselves aren't we? The brightest people I know never where it on their sleeves. Have you ever heard someone truly gifted and secure tell you so themselves? MENSA at 10? That and $2 will get you a nice cup of coffee somewhere, I am sure. Academic intelligence and test scores are nice, emotional intelligence and common sense are far more important and useful (seeking to watch DVDs while driving doesn't exactly demonstrate a high aptitude in this realm, now does it?).

Law is based on societal codes of conduct allowing for a harmonious society to function. It (law) is not synonomous with right and wrong in the real world, hence the absence of laws where there should be, and the presence of laws that shouldn't. This is too big of a subject, and too tangential to debate further here. Using some precious common sense, certain things are "wrong" and illegal....manufacturing/distributing a device that allows a person to watch DVDs while driving is an example of one of those things (and if it weren't, it should be). The intent of this prohibition??? Hmmm, let me see, oh yeah..THAT PEOPLE DON"T WATCH DVDS WHEN THEY ARE DRIVING!! Simple, easy to understand (even for people with MENSA cards...BTW, ever wonder about the insecurities of parents seeking this label for their children? If they are bright, a MENSA card will help them not at all, so what is the point? Ego and insecurity, methinks). Going down the slippery slope of what is, but shouldn't be illegal, or its' converse, is poor logic desperately trying to defend an indefensible position (again, that watching TV while driving is a good idea).

The "Machinist" point..no, I don't think you really got it. "that killing someone with a car will make someone lose their sanity and become shokingly thin"..yes thats' about the size of it, but if you got it, wouldn't that be totally incongruent with a desire to watch TV while driving? In the movie, the distraction leading to the tragedy was incidental and unintentional, in this case it would be reckless and by design if the distraction of driving while watching TV resulted in such a tragedy.

I am not a lawyer, but for clarification, my analagy stated that the perpetrator alerted you to their intent first, then committed the crime, and then informed you. Unless I am much mistaken, not reporting this crime under those circumstances would make you an accessory. If it doesn't, it should, and more importantly, using some of that precious common sense, it would be wrong not to report it, regardless of the law. My point is that the person answering the question (you) is being challenged as to how to advise someone in this scenario. The distractors are thinly veiled illustrations of:

a. Constructive criticism.
b. Contructive criticism with some implied moral judgement.
c. Destructive criticism.
d. Apathy

now does it make more sense to you (MENSA huh...whats' that I hear? sounds like the meter for your hourly rate going down, better get out your card)

As to moving violations and my driving demeanor. I do not speed purposely regardless of what you think. What I think of other violations is irrelevant, however, for perspective (get out some of that common sense again) there is a range of what is right and wrong when operating a motor vehicle. 65 in a 60?..not so bad, likewise squelling the tires a little (probably not a violation anyway, depends on where, to what degree, and open to interpretation), loud stereo?..no big deal. On the other end of the spectrum...lets' see...driving under the influence, vehicular manslaughter, and the criminal stupidity of watching TV while driving and causing a crash. Again, you debate irrelevant nuance and minutia as if this could reverse common sense...it can't. Sorry to dissappoint, but you can't rationalize your way out of this one by distraction.

If nobody is on the road (100% for certain), and you are insured, by all means watch DVDs, sleep, whatever you want. Public roads by their nature are meant to have more than one vehicle using them at any given time. I am not sure how you could assure yourself that nobody else is near, or on the road at any one time....and what if you are wrong? Oops? So sorry? Next time? There are no do overs in the real world.

Lastly, How do I feel about being told to be civil, etc? I think you missed that one too, so I will restate it, I disagree that I was being disrespectful and uncivil in the context of the topic. I also genuinely thought that that criticism was directed at you...after all, you were the one suggesting watching midget pornography, and ogling female passers by...now that is what I call disrespectful and uncivil, wouldn't you agree (rhetorical, in case you were about to misconstrue).

"One knows everything, when he realizes he knows nothing" ~Socrates


"He who knows the most says the least" ~Chinese Proverb

My, My, we are full of ourselves, aren't we? In my experience, brighter people do not where it on their sleeves. I have never had the displeasure of having a truly gifted person tell me so themselves (present company not excluded). MENSA card at 10...That and 2 dollars will get you a nice cup of coffee somewhere, I am sure. Academic achievement and intelligence are very nice. However, without the key ingredient of emotional intelligence and common sense, they are either useless, or dangerous. BTW, I always wondered about the insecurities of parents wanting to have their kids labelled (by MENSA...it is a label in the final analysis, just a positive one). If the child is bright, a MENSA card will help him or her not at all (and may harm them, if truth be told), anyway, I digress. Asserting that watching DVDs while driving is not exactly a good illustration of these latter attributes, now is it? Wait, what do I hear? Is it the sound of your hourly rate meter going down? Better get out your MENSA card and put it to some good use (sorry, I just couldn't resist that one, I know it is harsh....but it is funny)

Laws are the basis for a morally functional society (in the US at least), but law is not synonomous with right and wrong. This is why some laws are absent when they should not be, and the converse. Now, if you apply some common sense to this assertion....the prohibition of manufacturing, distributing, and using a front seat DVD player for use by the driver while driving is both wrong and illegal. Frankly, you must realize this, otherwise, you would not be seeking to circumvent the law.

"Potentially harmful" as I use it refers to physical harm (very obviously) not hurt feelings as clearly there laws to prevent the latter have no place in a free society. I am sure you realize this as well (what with your MENSA card and all), but like to make slippery slope arguments to try and distract from the core issues.

No, I still think you missed the point in the Machinist. If you understood that the point was that killing someone with a car (unintentionally/by accident in the movie) would drive that person insane, then you also must realize how incongruent it is to seek to intentionally distract oneself by watching television while driving. If the former scenario would drive someone insane and ruin their life, what if the second scenario resulted in a similar tragedy?

While you can't believe it, I, and most drivers take the responsibility of driving very seriously knowing the potential consequences if we don't. As to my opinion on various other moving violations...it is irrelevant, but for perspective, there is a range of seriousness as you well know...65 in a 60? not so bad. Squelling the tires a little, not really illegal at all. Loud stereo? whatever floats your boat (and probably not illegal, at least in my area). On he other end of the spectrum? Well, lets' get out some of that common sense and put it to good use here...DUI with, and without injury, vehicular manslaughter, reckless driving, and an injury/accident caused by a driver purposely distracting him, or herself by watching TV while driving....I think you can agree that these are serious infractions.

If you can be sure (can you? I don't think so) that no one is on the road at any given time, and you are fully insured, by all means..watch TV, sleep, do whatever you like while driving. Public roads are meant for more than one vehicle to be used at any given time, and other vehicles may enter, without your knowledge, at high speed, such that full confidence of being alone is wishful thinking. What if you are wrong? Oops? Sorry? I won't do it next time? Too late, reality does not allow for do overs, I am afraid.

I am not a lawyer, but you appear to have misread my hypothetical question/scenario. Someone first asks you how to kill somebody, then commits the crime, then admits it to you (and presume there is evidence in support of this). In this scenario, unless I am much mistaken, not reporting the crime would make you an accessory...and if it didn't it should as it would be very wrong not to do so. The constructive criticism analagy was a thinly veiled example as follow:

a. Constructive criticism.
b. Constructive criticism, with an element of moral judgement implied.
c. Destructive criticism.
d. Apathy.

The point being that constructive criticism is inappropriate in this example as it is when criticizing a persons' desire to watch TV while driving. Conversely, the appropriate type of criticism is C, destructive criticism.

Lastly, you really do appear to have some skills in debating/arguing, but in this instance, you are defending the indefensible, so each distraction quickly falls apart under scrutiny.

Clearly, you are very stubborn (as am I), but in this debate, you are on the wrong side of the issue. For the benefit of the readers/other members, I think it would be best to acknowledge defeat and start making sense. Going on in the direction you are currently heading makes you look more and more foolish (although you do so fairly eloquently).

Sorry about the double post, the site glitched on me there. Nice Fortune cookie philosophy BTW.

My, My, we are full of ourselves, aren't we? In my experience, brighter people do not where it on their sleeves. I have never had the displeasure of having a truly gifted person tell me so themselves (present company not excluded). MENSA card at 10...That and 2 dollars will get you a nice cup of coffee somewhere, I am sure. Academic achievement and intelligence are very nice. However, without the key ingredient of emotional intelligence and common sense, they are either useless, or dangerous. BTW, I always wondered about the insecurities of parents wanting to have their kids labelled (by MENSA...it is a label in the final analysis, just a positive one). If the child is bright, a MENSA card will help him or her not at all (and may harm them, if truth be told), anyway, I digress. Asserting that watching DVDs while driving is not exactly a good illustration of these latter attributes, now is it? Wait, what do I hear? Is it the sound of your hourly rate meter going down? Better get out your MENSA card and put it to some good use (sorry, I just couldn't resist that one, I know it is harsh....but it is funny)

Laws are the basis for a morally functional society (in the US at least), but law is not synonomous with right and wrong. This is why some laws are absent when they should not be, and the converse. Now, if you apply some common sense to this assertion....the prohibition of manufacturing, distributing, and using a front seat DVD player for use by the driver while driving is both wrong and illegal. Frankly, you must realize this, otherwise, you would not be seeking to circumvent the law.

"Potentially harmful" as I use it refers to physical harm (very obviously) not hurt feelings as clearly there laws to prevent the latter have no place in a free society. I am sure you realize this as well (what with your MENSA card and all), but like to make slippery slope arguments to try and distract from the core issues.

No, I still think you missed the point in the Machinist. If you understood that the point was that killing someone with a car (unintentionally/by accident in the movie) would drive that person insane, then you also must realize how incongruent it is to seek to intentionally distract oneself by watching television while driving. If the former scenario would drive someone insane and ruin their life, what if the second scenario resulted in a similar tragedy?

While you can't believe it, I, and most drivers take the responsibility of driving very seriously knowing the potential consequences if we don't. As to my opinion on various other moving violations...it is irrelevant, but for perspective, there is a range of seriousness as you well know...65 in a 60? not so bad. Squelling the tires a little, not really illegal at all. Loud stereo? whatever floats your boat (and probably not illegal, at least in my area). On he other end of the spectrum? Well, lets' get out some of that common sense and put it to good use here...DUI with, and without injury, vehicular manslaughter, reckless driving, and an injury/accident caused by a driver purposely distracting him, or herself by watching TV while driving....I think you can agree that these are serious infractions.

If you can be sure (can you? I don't think so) that no one is on the road at any given time, and you are fully insured, by all means..watch TV, sleep, do whatever you like while driving. Public roads are meant for more than one vehicle to be used at any given time, and other vehicles may enter, without your knowledge, at high speed, such that full confidence of being alone is wishful thinking. What if you are wrong? Oops? Sorry? I won't do it next time? Too late, reality does not allow for do overs, I am afraid.

I am not a lawyer, but you appear to have misread my hypothetical question/scenario. Someone first asks you how to kill somebody, then commits the crime, then admits it to you (and presume there is evidence in support of this). In this scenario, unless I am much mistaken, not reporting the crime would make you an accessory...and if it didn't it should as it would be very wrong not to do so. The constructive criticism analagy was a thinly veiled example as follow:

a. Constructive criticism.
b. Constructive criticism, with an element of moral judgement implied.
c. Destructive criticism.
d. Apathy.

The point being that constructive criticism is inappropriate in this example as it is when criticizing a persons' desire to watch TV while driving. Conversely, the appropriate type of criticism is C, destructive criticism.

Lastly, you really do appear to have some skills in debating/arguing, but in this instance, you are defending the indefensible, so each distraction quickly falls apart under scrutiny.

Clearly, you are very stubborn (as am I), but in this debate, you are on the wrong side of the issue. For the benefit of the readers/other members, I think it would be best to acknowledge defeat and start making sense. Going on in the direction you are currently heading makes you look more and more foolish (although you do so fairly eloquently).


Jeez....you sound like a typical politician....straddling the fence with both ears to the ground while a constant stream of verbal diareha (sp) shoots from your mouth...how's that for descriptive. I don't think in almost two years on this forum I've ever read posts by someone so obviously as full of themselves as you are. Your apparent need and desire to TRY and impress the rest of us with your self perceived verbal skills is laughable...I'm done

Sorry about the double post, the site glitched on me there. Nice Fortune cookie philosophy BTW.

If you were so smart, you would be able to delete the double post:rolleyes:




Labeling Socrates' paradigms as fortune cookie-esque is indicative of ignorance. Whether or not one agrees with his works, he provided the rudiments that shape our ethical schemas. That is why I mentioned him - the cornerstone of your argument is based on ethics.

If you want to cynically argue public policy, please navigate to another forum.




Let us retreat to the original topic... Would this mod allow data DVD's to be played?

Odd questions, do people without the vehicle spend time on the forum?? Anyway, yes I have an 06 GC SRT8 with Navigation, and REAR DVD. My stable also contains an 03 Viper SRT10, Moderately modded 1999 Camaro SS (SC, exhaust, trans, rear, etc), mildly modded 04 Zo6, mildly modded 71 LS5 Corvette, and a mildly modded 04 Subaru WRX STI.

"The point is to have it"??? What does that mean? That one would pay some hundreds or more dollars for the modification and never use it??? Whatever floats your boat I guess. I have no objection to that (but would be happy to take the money spent, tell you it is modified, and use the money for something else). If a tree falls in the woods...etc...how much should I pay for earplugs if I am not there to hear it???

If I didn't have a GC SRT8, "we" (best to speak for oneself, IMO) would not want to hear the opinion that seeking to watch television while driving is a very bad idea?? OK?? I have to admit your "logic" is dizzying.

thanks for qualifying the ride's in your stable...
that really didn't matter just wanted to make sure you were not here to bash DVD/VES watchers...
front or rear...
good points and very valid...
the reason I have the NAV ability to play DVD's from the rear is for my passenger...
plain and simple...
trust me...
I do not want to be driving and watching video's...
ever...
thanks for letting us know you are one of us...
and the GC SRT8 is coming soon for the wife...
don't let this thread consume you...
you have said your peace...
you can't win...
ever...
it's just the nature of forums and boards in general...
Sincerely,
cbutler32

Hey Batson - I told myself last night (before reading your post) that I was done with this discussion. But I'm not. Let me just say that while I took your previous verbal abuse personally, it didnt really bother me. But I'm going to STRONGLY suggest that you leave any reference to my parents out of any further posts. That I take VERY personally. Because now you've not only insulted me, you've insulted my deceased father and my disabled mother. Seriously, what kind of person are you? You don't really need to answer that question because I, and everyone else on this forum, already know.

Very quickly, I did not insult your parents, I just wondered out loud about a parents' motivation to have a child tested for MENSA....being a parent myself with a similar scenario and deciding not to pursue testing and labeling.

Can't spell diarrhea? Or look it up? or use spell check? Better not let the MENSA people know, they may want to revoke your membership...just kidding/yanking your chain. You do take things way too seriously and personally BTW.

Sorry this is off-topic but there is currently no way to modify the factory REC unit to play DVD's from it's internal DVD drive, but you can modify it to play a DVD from an external DVD player or the factory "VES" rear DVD player. There are three companies I found who can do this mod, Nav2Go charges $450, and there are two other companies, one charges $400 and the other $1000, all for the same modification which allows for two auxiliary video inputs.

If you're using an external DVD player instead of the VES you also have to inject the audio signal using an FM modulator or an auxiliary input adaptor which takes the place of either the Sirius or VES line level input.

Once again, sorry for this interruption.

Very on topic, and amazing to find another genius desirous of watching tv while they drive, or, better yet, instructing other judgement challenged motorists on how to accomplish their dreams of making it into the moron hall of fame (perhaps posthumously if they in fact do as it appears they intend). You should be proud.

If the personal attacks continue, banning will commence.