Now check this link and understand what I was sayin last week.
B&G is good if you don't have a dyno, but nothing replaces a good dyno tune.

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=87237


Another link talking about the same thing.

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=87226

That thread is a good read. The emailed tunes are fine as long as they are not too aggressive. The problem is that people want to duplicate more aggressive tunes that were performed on a dyno for a different car.

Now check this link and understand what I was sayin last week.
B&G is good if you don't have a dyno, but nothing replaces a good dyno tune.

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=87237


Another link talking about the same thing.

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=87226

The big question, who has the best answer for the long term for the "rest of us"? Diablo, B&G, SCT, or your project? All would love to know.

Well I'm biased but mine of course LOL!!!!!

Seriously I don't have anything to offer right now,

However I can say that after the first of the new year you'll see some really neat things ....like being able to change gear ratios, and paddle shift in Stage I

Stage II well that will be a whole different animal

And Stage III well that will allow everything to change, even the PCM . :D

makes me wish we had a tuner out here in Texas for these things :(

makes me wish we had a tuner out here in Texas for these things :(

Thats where Emailed tunes come into play, when you have no other options.
Just you, the ability to go online, a computer, your truck, a handheld and an air/fuel gage. :)

Thats where Emailed tunes come into play, when you have no other options.
Just you, the ability to go online, a computer, your truck, a handheld and an air/fuel gage. :)

I thought the emailed tunes would be much safer than what ProMotion is claiming and showing in his graphs.

Also, I have never seen so many nicely modded, high HP cars, without widebands.

makes me wish we had a tuner out here in Texas for these things :(

Actually he mentions Dallas,TX-I'm waiting on his response as to where in Dallas:D

If anyone is interested in a Mail Tune or getting dynoed at our shop, feel free to PM me immediately for pricing. We are starting to back up right now on Dyno Appointments. We also are Offering Travel Tuning to anywhere in the USA. For this option you will need to get 4-5 cars confirmed to tune before the trip can be planned. We have right now a schedule being worked on for the Atlantic City NJ area and the Dallas TX Area. If you are in those areas, please contact me ASAP.

Didn't the guy referred to in the linked post specifically ask B&G to make the changes that caused the issues with his car? If so, how can the B&G tune be at fault? I would think that the dyno operator would make changes also if requested to do so by the customer.

Most engine failures to date have been the result of end user adjustability. To much timing,not enough fuel and turning off the Knock sensor's(not a smart move). There are also a number of failures related to Diablo's canned tunes being used on a head/cam cars.

GC

Actually he mentions Dallas,TX-I'm waiting on his response as to where in Dallas:D

If anyone is interested in a Mail Tune or getting dynoed at our shop, feel free to PM me immediately for pricing. We are starting to back up right now on Dyno Appointments. We also are Offering Travel Tuning to anywhere in the USA. For this option you will need to get 4-5 cars confirmed to tune before the trip can be planned. We have right now a schedule being worked on for the Atlantic City NJ area and the Dallas TX Area. If you are in those areas, please contact me ASAP.

Count me in I am just North of Houston. let me know when where and how much.

Iwould like to see there best tune on a (BONE STOCK) srt-8.

Count me in I am just North of Houston. let me know when where and how much.

I spoke with James(promotion) yesterday..seems there could be a gig in Houston...He has not tuned a JEEP to date!!!:cool:

GC

This is the response back from ProMotion Tuning and it has me confused and I'm sure other Vendors who are doing CMR tuning

"At this time we are the only CMR Tuner in the USA. You can confirm this on DiabloSport.Com website. We are planning a trip to TX in the next 45 days or so... We will be tunind vehicles down there for customers."

Thanks
james

I think he is saying...he is using non-beta CMR software!

Count me in for a tuning meet in or around the Houston area!

Gotcha Greg, you wanna do this just to see what they have to offer maybe take one or both of the Jeeps to Dallas?????

It's supposed to be in Houston...I'm thinkin bout it...but theres more to tuning a JEEP, than an LX...TM/ESP/TCM is a huge part of it...and he's got no experience...so I don't know what to think @ this point....I think it's going to be a F.R.I combo thing, but no worries..I know emm!!...I guess we will know more,the closer it gets, but I'm game!

Tunings tuning and James seems to be quite knowledgeable about using the CMR software,
The CMR will not touch any other modules.

PMT's Official CMR Tuning Options List for DCX

Accelerator Pump
- Foot Angle Enrichment Gain
- Foot Angle Enrichment Trigger
- Throttle Angle Enrichment Gain
- Throttle Angle Enrichment Trigger

Crank Fuel
- Closed Throttle Crank Fuel Multiplier
- Crank Fuel Multiplier vs BP
- Crank Fuel Pulsewidth
- Open Throttle Crank Fuel Multiplier
- Restart Fuel Multiplier

Dashpot
- Dashpot Decay Rate vs MPH vs RPM
- Throttle Follower Multiplier vs MPH vs ECT

EGR
- Desired EGR Massflow

ETC
- ETC Pedal % Power

Ethanol
- Crank Fuel Multiplier vs Ethanol

Exhaust Temp
- Catalyst Temp
- Exhaust Temp

Fuel Injector
- Fuel Injector Timing

Idle Speed Control
- Desired Air Flow in Gear
- Desired Air Flow in Neutral
- Idle Speed Adder vs ECT and Time Running in Drive
- Idle Speed Adder vs ECT and Time Running in Neutral
- Minimum Allowed Idle Speed in Gear
- Minimum Allowed Idle Speed in Neutral
- Start-Up Airflow Compensation

Knock Sensor
- Maximum Long Term Knock Sensor Retard

Open Loop Fuel
- Cold Start Enrichment
- Cold Start Enrichment w/ Ethanol
- Power Enrichment A/F Ratio
- Power Enrichment above Stoich F/A Ratio

Spark Advance
- Cold Start Spark Modifier vs MAP vs RPM
- EGR Spark Modifier vs RPM vs Pressure Ratio
- Long Term Tip-In Spark Retard vs IAT vs Throttle Rate
- Max Spark when Cold
- MBT Spark
- MBT Spark with Ethanol
- Min Spark for Trans Torque Management
- Min Spark when Cold
- Minimum Spark
- Part Throttle Spark
- Part Throttle Spark w/ Ethanol
- Short Term Tip-In Spark Retard vs IAT vs Throttle Rate
- Spark Adder for Cold Launch
- Spark Modifier vs Air Temp and Map
- Spark Modifier vs Air Temp and RPM
- Spark Modifier vs ECT and MAP
- Spark Modifier vs ECT and RPM
- Thermal Spark
- WOT Spark
- WOT Spark w/ Ethanol

Torque Calculation
- Friction Torque Loss
- Torque Table

Turbocharger
- Desired Torque
- Turbine Speed Surface
- Turbocharger Filter Surface
- Wastegate Adjustment for Part Throttle
- Wastegate Adjustment vs Air Temp
- Wastegate Adjustment vs Ambient Temp
- Wastegate Adjustment vs BP
- Wastegate Duty Cycle

Volumetric Efficiency
- BP Adjustment to Volumetric Efficiency
- EGR Multiplier
- Inlet Air Temp Adjustment vs RPM vs MPH
- MAP Sensoring Averaging
- Pressure Ratio
- VE Multiplier vs % Ethanol
- VE Multiplier vs ECT
- Volumetric Efficiency Bank 1
- Volumetric Efficiency Bank 2

Hmmm!!:cool: