Allright, I was driving home from work, in the city, with traffic and I SAW the cop ahead. He was parked on the side of Columbus Drive (those familiar with chicago) and i slowly went through the light then passed him. He pulled me over right away, and came up and told me he LASERED me. He said he LASERED me 54 in a 35, which is impossible cause I saw him and it was in the city during rush hour traffic and I was going like 25-30. However, on the ticket he marked LIDAR, and did not mark the LASER box. Anyways, gave the ticket to my lawyer to deal with and now I just have this question, does the V1 not detect LIDAR?

Other notes, my attorney said he believes I was not clocked at all and also believes that they wont be able to produce the "print-out" I guess the laser gun kicks out. The cop also wrote a number that looks like a distance on the ticket?

LIDAR is just a stupid fancy acronym for a pulsed IR LASER. Its the same thing as a laser.. here's a neat article.

http://www.articlealley.com/article_26957_31.html

Yes your V1 will "detect" laser, but it detects it once the LEO has already read your speed. The only time your V1 will help you with laser is if he/she targets a vehicle in front of you, and you pick up some "scatter" from that hit. This rarely occurs.
If you want protection against laser invest in a good laser jammer.

if you have a buddy thats a mechanic have him write up a reciept for fixing a broken speedometer you had..make it out to over $100.00- and just use that as an excuse :D

Suck it up & pay it....many more to come!!!!!

Ya from what I have read the V1 should have picked up the LIDAR. All it really looks like is that it is a IR LASER, or simpler put using light waves to measure distance. I'll stick with my attorneys theory that the cop didnt have the equipment on(or on me), wont be able to produce the "printout from the gun", wont be able to produce recent calibration records, and usually wont show up for the initial hearing.

Ya from what I have read the V1 should have picked up the LIDAR. All it really looks like is that it is a IR LASER, or simpler put using light waves to measure distance. I'll stick with my attorneys theory that the cop didnt have the equipment on(or on me), wont be able to produce the "printout from the gun", wont be able to produce recent calibration records, and usually wont show up for the initial hearing.

Agreed... Listen to your Attorney. Its getting near the end of the month and it sounds like the cop was trying to make quota for the month. This happens all the time.

Always ask the cop to see his laser showing the speed he claims you were doing. It is your right. To my knowledge the only way you can win in court is if the cop did not calibrate his laser gun at the start of the shift.
Regardless its not worth fighting in court. You or the attorney can get a diversion and it won't go on your record.

Always ask the cop to see his laser showing the speed he claims you were doing. It is your right. To my knowledge the only way you can win in court is if the cop did not calibrate his laser gun at the start of the shift.
Regardless its not worth fighting in court. You or the attorney can get a diversion and it won't go on your record.

It is not "Your right" to see the radar/laser gun in any state in the USA. This is a common myth, but not true at all.
Think about it from an officers safety perspective. Some radar guns are mounted in/on a police vehicle, so the officer would have to let you get out of your car and come to his/hers. Not safe.
Read this:
http://www.speedingticketcentral.com/speeding-ticket-urban-legends.html

Its ok in NV, KS and MO(states I drive mostly). My bad if not in all states

Well, I believe the idea is that if its really there than why wouldnt the cop show you? However, one response could be the officer wants to maintain his safety and keep you in your vehicle. Im sure it will play out as all the others do. Pay it and agree not to speed for a year...

Its ok in NV, KS and MO(states I drive mostly). My bad if not in all states
I am not trying to be a ****, but you are wrong. NO states have such a law.

Ok. It's probably not a law, but I have gotten 5 tickets and each time asked to see the radar and the cop would tell me to carefully come to his passanger side and show it to me.:p You could be right, it's probably not a law

I"m going to guess it was your SPEEDING that got you the ticket. Complaining on the internet really does a lot to ease your pain, huh?

if you have a buddy thats a mechanic have him write up a reciept for fixing a broken speedometer you had..make it out to over $100.00- and just use that as an excuse :D

Actually, Its against the law to drive with a broken Speedo in Il. If you use this excuse, you will have proven the cop's case and you may get another ticket...I would stray away from the broken speedo idea.

...and who would want to speed in a high performance car? Do comments like the one you just made ease your pain of still living with your parents?

Haha! Nice one. In fact, I don't live with my parents and it's quite clear that speeding is illegal. You make the "choice" to speed and should be fully able to accept any legal action taken for breaking the law. Complaining on the internet that a radar detector "failed him" or that the Officer was pulling some kind of trick is just rediculous. Break the law, pay the consequences. It's pretty clear cut.

:cool::rolleyes:

1. You could have asked to see his gun (He doesnt have to show you though)
I actually had my V1 doing 85 in a 65 and following someone all of a sudden a cop turns around from the opposite direction and pulls me and the person in front of me over. I asked to see his radar gun because my Radar detector didnt go off. He goes in his squad turns on his radar and walks up the car my V1 is going crazy and say "Yeah it Works!" Then proceeds to tell me i was clocked my Air Plane! I have Had a V1 for over 7 years and thats the only ticket i have ever gotten for speeding. So if it takes an air plane so be it.

2. Columbus hmm was there traffic arround you, if you are pacing someone next to you or close all he has to do is tag him and you are fair game. Lidar is vary narrow so line of sight is slim.

3. I know in the Illinois State Police certain officer are tought to be able to tell a cars speed by merely calculating time between posts and objects and watching the car.

I bet #2 is what happened, you drive a flashy car you get pulled over first. Samething happens when i drive my truck in my parents town, i am constantly pulled over for DWB (Driving While Brown)

Pay the $75 and supervision and its gone in a year. If he shows in court its his word vs yours. He is going to win. Dont get stuck with court costs on top of what you already have.

Later
Nip

Spoke again with my attorney, he looked over the ticket thoroughly among other things. He said due to the fact I have an absolute perfect driving record he feels it will be easily taken care of. In response to MANGO, no one is complaining here on the internet. Luckily there are laws that exist that protect our rights as citizens. These laws include the right to view evidence used against you. If a cop can not provide this evidence come court time, than it seems to me that the law would work in ones favor. Yes, if you speed you have to deal with the consequences. But like I said, I saw him, I slowed down way in advance, I was on a street in Chicago during rush hour where it is impossible to speed, and he also refused to give me the "print out" from the laser gun(which he is not required to). Using common reasoning, one could say that all of these factors together could be an adequate defense. I will be sure to let you know once the ticket is dismissed. I suggest since you dont like speeding you go and sell your SRT8 and invest in a slower automobile

Nip,

You are correct. Some officers are trained to calibrate speed by measurement of distance. I was told that this RARELY holds up in court unless its a serious offense, as in reckless driving or such. The officer also wrote a distance on my ticket which my attorney says is probably the distance my car traveled from one object to another, and that is how he concluded I was "speeding." However, he marked LIDAR on the ticket, and that is how its entered into the court system. So now it is up to the officer (if he appears) to prove that his equipment was calibrated correctly, he was properly trained to use it, has up to date training on how to use it, and can also provide the printout from the gun which he will need.




1. You could have asked to see his gun (He doesnt have to show you though)
I actually had my V1 doing 85 in a 65 and following someone all of a sudden a cop turns around from the opposite direction and pulls me and the person in front of me over. I asked to see his radar gun because my Radar detector didnt go off. He goes in his squad turns on his radar and walks up the car my V1 is going crazy and say "Yeah it Works!" Then proceeds to tell me i was clocked my Air Plane! I have Had a V1 for over 7 years and thats the only ticket i have ever gotten for speeding. So if it takes an air plane so be it.

2. Columbus hmm was there traffic arround you, if you are pacing someone next to you or close all he has to do is tag him and you are fair game. Lidar is vary narrow so line of sight is slim.

3. I know in the Illinois State Police certain officer are tought to be able to tell a cars speed by merely calculating time between posts and objects and watching the car.

I bet #2 is what happened, you drive a flashy car you get pulled over first. Samething happens when i drive my truck in my parents town, i am constantly pulled over for DWB (Driving While Brown)

Pay the $75 and supervision and its gone in a year. If he shows in court its his word vs yours. He is going to win. Dont get stuck with court costs on top of what you already have.

Later
Nip

3. I know in the Illinois State Police certain officer are tought to be able to tell a cars speed by merely calculating time between posts and objects and watching the car.

This will not stand up in court. Your lawyer will pick this method apart. Using "line ofsight" to determine speed is not infalable.

This happens a lot in PA, since local police cannot use radar. They use VASCAR, which uses two painted whites lines, at a predetermined distance, and th officer simply pushes a button once you have crossed each line and VASCAR spits out your speed. Lawyers get people out of this often.

You are absolutely correct Barho. I even called my brother who is also an attorney(corporate) and he said from the little he knows about speeding tickets that when the officer uses his "judgement" to rate your speed than it wont stand up. He also said that all the factors come into play, officers training, officers vehicle, officers equipment, obstruction of views.....etc



This will not stand up in court. Your lawyer will pick this method apart. Using "line ofsight" to determine speed is not infalable.

This happens a lot in PA, since local police cannot use radar. They use VASCAR, which uses two painted whites lines, at a predetermined distance, and th officer simply pushes a button once you have crossed each line and VASCAR spits out your speed. Lawyers get people out of this often.

Simply the law of averages. How often do you expect to speed without getting caught? I can tell you this. You can't speed and not get caught at least 1% of the time. Consider this your 1%. Fight your ticket, but Lidar is pretty tough to beat. He probably hit you a long way off, and yes you were travelling at the speed he hit you at.

Actually, my research shows LIDAR is easy to beat. It is measuring the using IR light waves. There are alot of light waves emitted from vehicles on the road, stop lights etc. Also, he didnt get me from far away. He somehow got me in the center lane through the car next to me in the right lane. I was the nicer car, so obviously I was getting pulled over. Comes with owning this machine I guess

This happens a lot in PA, since local police cannot use radar. They use VASCAR, which uses two painted whites lines, at a predetermined distance, and th officer simply pushes a button once you have crossed each line and VASCAR spits out your speed. Lawyers get people out of this often.
Is there a reason to why they cannot use radar in pa, and why only local police?

Actually, my research shows LIDAR is easy to beat. It is measuring the using IR light waves. There are alot of light waves emitted from vehicles on the road, stop lights etc. Also, he didnt get me from far away. He somehow got me in the center lane through the car next to me in the right lane. I was the nicer car, so obviously I was getting pulled over. Comes with owning this machine I guess

This is true if you have an old school V1, IE the fat ones. When you pull up behind a Envoy, Trailblazer, Bravada, Issuz, the way the taillights are cut causes the Laser to go off on the V1. I actually called them about this. Remeber its only at certain angles, but it is intresting none the less.

Is there a reason to why they cannot use radar in pa, and why only local police?

Here is your answer. It has always been like this because the State Police want to feel more important...Legislation felt that the local police did not have the ability to operate radar based on training. Also note that years ago State Police were know as highway patrol....What do highway patrol do? Your answer RADAR........... Hope this helps.

On my last car, Infiniti FX, it had adaptive cruise control and assisted braking so the vehicle was always shooting a laser out the front, in turn I had to disable the LASER feature on my V1 when I owned the vehicle. Oh and yes, trailblazers make the V1 go NUTS!


This is true if you have an old school V1, IE the fat ones. When you pull up behind a Envoy, Trailblazer, Bravada, Issuz, the way the taillights are cut causes the Laser to go off on the V1. I actually called them about this. Remeber its only at certain angles, but it is intresting none the less.

I have had a V1 for 7 years and have two tickets both laser.