Did anyone else feel as stunned as I did after reading this article? The SRT8 stomped the SS in every performance category -- and lost. They based the decision on towing capacity and cargo space. Sorry gang, I didn't buy this rig to haul the boat or move LOTS of "stuff" and hit the Rubicon. I bought it to haul ass and have fun in any weather and still have some utility. Thoughts? Rebukes? I was happy to see the SRT8 beat out the Range Rover Sport in MPH though....:)

The article was a joke, and I'm sure they're going to have to explain themselves in the next issue under the "letters to the editor" section. It was definitely motivated by GM's advertizing dollars.

The TBSS guys ate it up and made them feel good about their purchase, so I guess not everyone saw how obsurd it was.

The article was a joke, and I'm sure they're going to have to explain themselves in the next issue under the "letters to the editor" section. It was definitely motivated by GM's advertizing dollars.

The TBSS guys ate it up and made them feel good about their purchase, so I guess not everyone saw how obsurd it was.

I second that.

link to article?

The numbers speak for themself. In all performance aspects the jeep walked away from the TBSS. The article made my choice even more clear after reading it. I just graduted with an engineering degree so as soon as I find a job the lightning is goin' up for sale to buy the GCsrt-8, I can't wait. I'm starting to get impatient...lol

Did anyone else feel as stunned as I did after reading this article? The SRT8 stomped the SS in every performance category -- and lost. They based the decision on towing capacity and cargo space. Sorry gang, I didn't buy this rig to haul the boat or move LOTS of "stuff" and hit the Rubicon. I bought it to haul ass and have fun in any weather and still have some utility. Thoughts? Rebukes? I was happy to see the SRT8 beat out the Range Rover Sport in MPH though....:)


GM digging deep into there pockets, Did anyone really buy there SRT-8 to tow? Cargo space? My girl and I, all the space I need and then some, As for the Range Rover Sport SC my friend has one, and after a test drive with me and pinning him in his seat, his $75,000 vehicle wasnt looking so hot anymore, Nice interior though, but he is still trying to catch me, oh and BTW the look on his face when I nailed the throttle and pinned him in his seat was classic. The TBSS girls will always be second best, they need to accept it and deal with it.

i personally didnt buy mine to TOW with , i purchased it for its performance,looks aspects,
something the TBSS lacks
so yeah that article is lame

SRT=Street Racing Technology
SRT=Street Racing & Towing, NOT!!
If I owned a TBSS, I would be on my high horse too. If I want to tow, Ill use my Armada.
Im happy with my Jeep.

For anyone with the article, the funniest part for me was in the rating numbers. The gave the TBSS a higher "Got to have it factor"! I believe 4 points higher. If that number was the other way around the Jeep would have taken it(if I remember correctly) I'm no Chevy hater(i still want a C6 ZO6), but come on. You can walk into any Chevy dealer and walk out with a plain jane, wouldn't look twice, TBSS at well under sticker. Mopars and anything with the Big 6.1 Hemi are the hottest cars on the market right now! This Jeep has much more appeal in the performance crowd. Well atleast in my opinion.

You hit the nail on the head! Plain Jane is right on target. I love "sleepers" - wolf in sheep's clothing concept, but the SS does nothing for me. Yes, its cheaper, and with enough $$ thrown at it it could be competitive. My first drive to the car wash was enough proof for me that the SRT8 has street cred. There were a bunch of guys from a local car club there washing their "Dubbed" pick ups, Mercedes, Avalanches, etc. and every one of them came by to look at -- and admire -- the Jeep. Unanimous approval and lust filled looks, especially when the hood was open and the exhaust pipes bellowed. There is just no way you can look at one of these - even in stock form - and not know that there is trouble brewing beneath that Jeep exterior. :cool: I love it!!

Who knows what those C&D wackos are thinking, but GM's ad dollars did not mean anything because Chrysler spends big money in C&D ads too.

You guys should spend a little more time defending the SRT8 than just saying "I didn't buy it to tow with it!". I think Car and Driver gave the nod to the SS because of the better ride (not as harsh) and "The Chevy, however, simply delivers more in hauling and features. For a few bucks less than the SRT8, the SS came with heated seats, load-leveling rear air springs, automatic climate control, and OnStar."

I'm in the market for either one of these and have been reading a ton on both vehicles before I take my test drive. I prefer to be informed before I drive so that all my questions are answered and I can take the drive more for fun than trying to figure everything out. Plus, car salesman are terrible at answering questions (the ones in our small town)

Right off the bat though, I think the SRT8 KILLS the SS in the looks department. Plus, 0-60 in 4.5 seconds? Holy crap that is fast... almost as fast as my '03 zo6 and that's just beyong impressive for a vehicle of this weight.

I do have a couple of questions that I couldn't find definitive answers for on here.

What's the oem hitch situation? I've read Mopar is making one? Is that available yet? If not, can I take the srt to a local outfit and have something installed? To me, it makes absolutely no sense to buy an SUV that can't tow anything... I can drive my 'vette if I want to go fast but towing my jetski's is important and anyone who tries to deny the lack of a hitch as not important is lying to themselves.

Can the srt be easily lowered? In the vette, it's just a bolt option that lowers it an inch, does the srt8 have something like this to lower the car more?

What about the 0-60? Is it really 4.5 seconds? I've read in other mags where they get their numbers "with perfect launch, timing, etc". Does this take off like a scalded dog everytime you nail it?

My last question is the interior. Do you feel it has a high quality interior that stands up to everyday use?

Thanks to anyone who is willing to offer some help and information ,my test drive will be next week while the boss is away. hehe

You guys should spend a little more time defending the SRT8 than just saying "I didn't buy it to tow with it!". I think Car and Driver gave the nod to the SS because of the better ride (not as harsh) and "The Chevy, however, simply delivers more in hauling and features. For a few bucks less than the SRT8, the SS came with heated seats, load-leveling rear air springs, automatic climate control, and OnStar."

I'm in the market for either one of these and have been reading a ton on both vehicles before I take my test drive. I prefer to be informed before I drive so that all my questions are answered and I can take the drive more for fun than trying to figure everything out. Plus, car salesman are terrible at answering questions (the ones in our small town)

Right off the bat though, I think the SRT8 KILLS the SS in the looks department. Plus, 0-60 in 4.5 seconds? Holy crap that is fast... almost as fast as my '03 zo6 and that's just beyong impressive for a vehicle of this weight.

I do have a couple of questions that I couldn't find definitive answers for on here.

What's the oem hitch situation? I've read Mopar is making one? Is that available yet? If not, can I take the srt to a local outfit and have something installed? To me, it makes absolutely no sense to buy an SUV that can't tow anything... I can drive my 'vette if I want to go fast but towing my jetski's is important and anyone who tries to deny the lack of a hitch as not important is lying to themselves.

Can the srt be easily lowered? In the vette, it's just a bolt option that lowers it an inch, does the srt8 have something like this to lower the car more?

What about the 0-60? Is it really 4.5 seconds? I've read in other mags where they get their numbers "with perfect launch, timing, etc". Does this take off like a scalded dog everytime you nail it?

My last question is the interior. Do you feel it has a high quality interior that stands up to everyday use?

Thanks to anyone who is willing to offer some help and information ,my test drive will be next week while the boss is away. hehe
Not sure about the hitch. There is no lowering kit yet available for the Jeep, but I believe that a certain vender has one in the making. 0-60 is anywhere from 4.5-4.8. Every time I stomp on it, bye, bye. I ran the quarter mile 6 times in a row at the track one night. First run was a 13.8. Kept running it and the last run before I left was 13.56 @ 102mph. That was on a 90 degree day with alot of humidity, and 900 miles on the odometer. A blast to drive. The interior seems tp be holding up well so far. Got over 10k on odometer now. Hope all this helped and have fun with the test drive!!

Yes, thanks for the info on the track times, really helps me get an idea of what this puppy will do. Still incredible for the weight of this vehicle. Does it "hunch down" during a launch or just "go" with no wheelspin?

Depends on how you launch it. No wheel spin, sometimes a chirp if you mash the gas. Brake and gas it for a quick second, and it screws!!

I like both suv's, but the GC SRT/8 is much better in looks and the interior is far better looking than the SS. The SS interior screams cheap plastic and not to mention the blah factor, while the SRT8 interior is more refined and richer looking to me. The SS does have an awesome LS2 powerplant with more and more aftermarket mods and tuning available. Plus the towing factor. But the 6.1L's of Hemi, you would be very hard pressed to beat that. Just my opinion though...

I guess that it all depends what you REALLY expect from this kind of vehicle. You have to admit that the market segment that is interested in this type of vehicle is EXTREMELY limited. Having said that, I feel that the prospective buyer for this type of vehicle really doesn't care whether it can tow his 30' Baja or his 35' Wilderness trailer. I'm sure he already HAS a vehicle that will do that much better than the Jeep or SS. The buyer bought this vehicle because it was unique, fast, & all season capable. AND, it is equally at home hauling groceries from the supermarket or hauling ass on the dragstrip or road course. That's why I feel that the Car & Driver conclusions were totally BOGUS. Performance is the primary category for this type of vehicle and, if you are going to bias a test on 2 such vehicles as these, then that category should be the most important. As someone stated above, I didn't buy this vehicle to tow with.....and the only hauling that I plan on doing with it I've already mentioned above.

there is no reason or energy needed to defend our srt's. they speak for themselves.
they are currently on top of the hill!
let them come and try to knock off the king of the hill!

:cool: :cool: :cool:

You cant pay much attention to C&D. They're the folks that get excited about a Honda Civic. I mean really is that worth getting excited over? SRT's are firebreathin' gassnortin' hpmakin' monsters, not an econobox or a tractortrailer.

"Having said that, I feel that the prospective buyer for this type of vehicle really doesn't care whether it can tow his 30' Baja or his 35' Wilderness trailer. I'm sure he already HAS a vehicle that will do that much better than the Jeep or SS."

Really? Someone would buy a $40K SUV that weighs almost 5,000 pounds and not expect to tow even a utility trailer with it? I have to disagree with you, most folks are looking at an SUV for some form of towing and the go fast factor/looks are the real plus to distinguish it from other SUV's. I don't have another vehicle to tow with, the SRT8 would replace it. And how hard is it to provide a tow option anyway? Heck, I've seen folks tow small trailers behind their vettes.

"Performance is the primary category for this type of vehicle..."

Ummm, it's an SUV. Don't kid yourself...

Come on guys, the GC SRT8 was not built and put on the market as a "classic" SUV; it was put on the market as a true performance vehicle for the performance oriented market--US! If I was trully interested in an SUV for all of the attributes which an SUV offers, I would agree that there are better values for the money than the SRT8. And if you do a comparison of the SRT8 and other SUVs, looking at them from the perspective of an SUV and how it fills that role, it seems perfectly reasonable that the SRT8 would come up short. However, if you are looking for a "performance vehicle", and you like an SUV or want SUV attributes, there is really no other option which is even close.

"Having said that, I feel that the prospective buyer for this type of vehicle really doesn't care whether it can tow his 30' Baja or his 35' Wilderness trailer. I'm sure he already HAS a vehicle that will do that much better than the Jeep or SS."

Really? Someone would buy a $40K SUV that weighs almost 5,000 pounds and not expect to tow even a utility trailer with it? I have to disagree with you, most folks are looking at an SUV for some form of towing and the go fast factor/looks are the real plus to distinguish it from other SUV's. I don't have another vehicle to tow with, the SRT8 would replace it. And how hard is it to provide a tow option anyway? Heck, I've seen folks tow small trailers behind their vettes.

"Performance is the primary category for this type of vehicle..."

Ummm, it's an SUV. Don't kid yourself...

OK Dude, I started this thread and I'm about to finish it. 1. NO, I didn't buy this to tow with! Imagine that! Freekin' sue me. 2. Yes, I spent $40K for an SUV that I WON'T tow with. It's my money, I'll do what I want with it. I would like to see you load up three of your buds and their golf clubs and hit the road at 140 MPH in your Vette... UUMMM, I can do that and I don't have to pull a trailer to do it -actually, I could take FOUR extra passengers AND their clubs...... 3. If I want to tow something, I have the means to buy something that will tow. If you are looking for an SUV to tow with, go back to your TBSS forum or Tahoes.com or wherever, we don't care! 4. Umm, yes you have a ZO6, great. Once you drive the SRT8 GC we will all expect the inevitable apology from you because -- UUMMM, it may be an SUV to the unsuspecting ding-dong, but this thing will hang with several "sports" cars on twisty bits of pavement and will embarrass some "performance" cars in the drag race category(I even posted a video of my drag race victory over a new GTO -- that shares your Corvette engine doesn't it???). Does it corner as flat as my old ZO6 or even my little Infiniti Coupe -- UUMMM NO! But that's just the laws of physics Dude. However, this thing will flat-out surprise you with what it is willing to do in the twisty stuff. Ask the guy on the forum that took his GC SRT8 through Deals Gap what he thinks, or just look at the Track Experience threads and talk with the SRT test drivers -- they will tell you that this is their FAVORITE SRT rig on the track. 5. If you would have searched some of the other threads about towing with this thing you would have found several pictures from other folks that have outfitted their SRT8 to tow. Good on them. I will buy a pick-up if I want to tow something.
This rig isn't even a year old yet and the aftermarket is scrambling to keep up with the interest in this truck. From lowering kits to super-chargers, its all just a matter of time.
Now, if you want to come to Germany and go for a ride, I will show you just what this SUV will do, the Nurburgring is only an hour from my house and yes, it is fun. But until you drive one, or at a bare minimum do some more research -- there are LOTS of articles on the web and two forums dedicated to this rig -- before you slap some keys on this forum, keep the smack talking to yourself. Not trying to be a **** here Bud, but your statements simply don't hold water. I mean really, how many Jeep Wranglers actually get taken off road or have been modified to specifically go off-road and never make it? But people still buy them. How many pick-up trucks do you see that NEVER have anything in the bed of the truck, and have no hitch for towing anything? LOTS. Yet people still bought them. How many Vette owners thought, "wow, where am I going to put the baby seat?" I mean hey, its a car and should be able to take the whole family, right? Have a nice day.:)

OK Dude, I started this thread and I'm about to finish it. 1. NO, I didn't buy this to tow with! Imagine that! Freekin' sue me. 2. Yes, I spent $40K for an SUV that I WON'T tow with. It's my money, I'll do what I want with it. I would like to see you load up three of your buds and their golf clubs and hit the road at 140 MPH in your Vette... UUMMM, I can do that and I don't have to pull a trailer to do it -actually, I could take FOUR extra passengers AND their clubs...... 3. If I want to tow something, I have the means to buy something that will tow. If you are looking for an SUV to tow with, go back to your TBSS forum or Tahoes.com or wherever, we don't care! 4. Umm, yes you have a ZO6, great. Once you drive the SRT8 GC we will all expect the inevitable apology from you because -- UUMMM, it may be an SUV to the unsuspecting ding-dong, but this thing will hang with several "sports" cars on twisty bits of pavement and will embarrass some "performance" cars in the drag race category(I even posted a video of my drag race victory over a new GTO -- that shares your Corvette engine doesn't it???). Does it corner as flat as my old ZO6 or even my little Infiniti Coupe -- UUMMM NO! But that's just the laws of physics Dude. However, this thing will flat-out surprise you with what it is willing to do in the twisty stuff. Ask the guy on the forum that took his GC SRT8 through Deals Gap what he thinks, or just look at the Track Experience threads and talk with the SRT test drivers -- they will tell you that this is their FAVORITE SRT rig on the track. 5. If you would have searched some of the other threads about towing with this thing you would have found several pictures from other folks that have outfitted their SRT8 to tow. Good on them. I will buy a pick-up if I want to tow something.
This rig isn't even a year old yet and the aftermarket is scrambling to keep up with the interest in this truck. From lowering kits to super-chargers, its all just a matter of time.
Now, if you want to come to Germany and go for a ride, I will show you just what this SUV will do, the Nurburgring is only an hour from my house and yes, it is fun. But until you drive one, or at a bare minimum do some more research -- there are LOTS of articles on the web and two forums dedicated to this rig -- before you slap some keys on this forum, keep the smack talking to yourself. Not trying to be a **** here Bud, but your statements simply don't hold water. I mean really, how many Jeep Wranglers actually get taken off road or have been modified to specifically go off-road and never make it? But people still buy them. How many pick-up trucks do you see that NEVER have anything in the bed of the truck, and have no hitch for towing anything? LOTS. Yet people still bought them. How many Vette owners thought, "wow, where am I going to put the baby seat?" I mean hey, its a car and should be able to take the whole family, right? Have a nice day.:)

I agree on everything you said. I bought my Jeep for the engine and NO OTHER REASON (oh, and the fact its 4 wheel drive - we need that in the Burgh). I will never ever ever tow anything with it. I never towed anything with my 2000 GC. I won't tow anything with my Navigator and it has a two hitch. Now that I think about it, I don't own anything to tow. Nowadays, people buy SUVs for the road and not the offroad. I keep heraing that the other luxury SUVs are better offroad the the SRT - who really cares? This version of the Jeep is marketed right squarely at me (a 32 year old single white professional male who doesn't really enjoy the great outdoors unless its in my back yard in front of the BBQ with a beer), not hikers or campers or people who want to drive through a mud pit. If you want to go offroad, but a GC Limited. Its an amazing offroad performer. Or better yet, get a Wrangler. If you think that more than a few people will tow with an SRT, you're crazy.

Well stated BahnBlaster...........:D

Maybe DCX needs to release the Frieghtliner SRT???? :eek:

OK Dude, I started this thread and I'm about to finish it. 1. NO, I didn't buy this to tow with! Imagine that! Freekin' sue me. 2. Yes, I spent $40K for an SUV that I WON'T tow with. It's my money, I'll do what I want with it. I would like to see you load up three of your buds and their golf clubs and hit the road at 140 MPH in your Vette... UUMMM, I can do that and I don't have to pull a trailer to do it -actually, I could take FOUR extra passengers AND their clubs...... 3. If I want to tow something, I have the means to buy something that will tow. If you are looking for an SUV to tow with, go back to your TBSS forum or Tahoes.com or wherever, we don't care! 4. Umm, yes you have a ZO6, great. Once you drive the SRT8 GC we will all expect the inevitable apology from you because -- UUMMM, it may be an SUV to the unsuspecting ding-dong, but this thing will hang with several "sports" cars on twisty bits of pavement and will embarrass some "performance" cars in the drag race category(I even posted a video of my drag race victory over a new GTO -- that shares your Corvette engine doesn't it???). Does it corner as flat as my old ZO6 or even my little Infiniti Coupe -- UUMMM NO! But that's just the laws of physics Dude. However, this thing will flat-out surprise you with what it is willing to do in the twisty stuff. Ask the guy on the forum that took his GC SRT8 through Deals Gap what he thinks, or just look at the Track Experience threads and talk with the SRT test drivers -- they will tell you that this is their FAVORITE SRT rig on the track. 5. If you would have searched some of the other threads about towing with this thing you would have found several pictures from other folks that have outfitted their SRT8 to tow. Good on them. I will buy a pick-up if I want to tow something.
This rig isn't even a year old yet and the aftermarket is scrambling to keep up with the interest in this truck. From lowering kits to super-chargers, its all just a matter of time.
Now, if you want to come to Germany and go for a ride, I will show you just what this SUV will do, the Nurburgring is only an hour from my house and yes, it is fun. But until you drive one, or at a bare minimum do some more research -- there are LOTS of articles on the web and two forums dedicated to this rig -- before you slap some keys on this forum, keep the smack talking to yourself. Not trying to be a **** here Bud, but your statements simply don't hold water. I mean really, how many Jeep Wranglers actually get taken off road or have been modified to specifically go off-road and never make it? But people still buy them. How many pick-up trucks do you see that NEVER have anything in the bed of the truck, and have no hitch for towing anything? LOTS. Yet people still bought them. How many Vette owners thought, "wow, where am I going to put the baby seat?" I mean hey, its a car and should be able to take the whole family, right? Have a nice day.:)
Nuff Said!!! This thread is done.

"How many Vette owners thought, "wow, where am I going to put the baby seat?""

Me... for one, and others on the 'vette forums. You can turn the passenger air bag off and it has clips in the seat for mounting. I'm getting the feeling though that I need to look at the other forum dedicated to the SRT8, this one reminds me too much of the Viper forums, buncha' a-holes that can't help someone who is looking to buy a truck. I've pretty much made up my mind that I'm getting the SRT8, just wanted some more info from owners... but some of you really take this car thing too far and very few of you even offer any help at all. Guess that's why I was a 'vette owner first, a TON more compassion and not a ton of rednecks like this forum seems to have. This reminds me of the Ford F150 lightning guys... hahaha

I'm done, I know when to go somewhere else for more informaiton and "help" in buying a vehicle. You tards are WAY too defensive about your SUV.

C-ya!

"How many Vette owners thought, "wow, where am I going to put the baby seat?""

Me... for one, and others on the 'vette forums. You can turn the passenger air bag off and it has clips in the seat for mounting. I'm getting the feeling though that I need to look at the other forum dedicated to the SRT8, this one reminds me too much of the Viper forums, buncha' a-holes that can't help someone who is looking to buy a truck. I've pretty much made up my mind that I'm getting the SRT8, just wanted some more info from owners... but some of you really take this car thing too far and very few of you even offer any help at all. Guess that's why I was a 'vette owner first, a TON more compassion and not a ton of rednecks like this forum seems to have. This reminds me of the Ford F150 lightning guys... hahaha

I'm done, I know when to go somewhere else for more informaiton and "help" in buying a vehicle. You tards are WAY too defensive about your SUV.

C-ya!

BYEEE... figures your a vette owner..

"How many Vette owners thought, "wow, where am I going to put the baby seat?""

Me... for one, and others on the 'vette forums. You can turn the passenger air bag off and it has clips in the seat for mounting. I'm getting the feeling though that I need to look at the other forum dedicated to the SRT8, this one reminds me too much of the Viper forums, buncha' a-holes that can't help someone who is looking to buy a truck. I've pretty much made up my mind that I'm getting the SRT8, just wanted some more info from owners... but some of you really take this car thing too far and very few of you even offer any help at all. Guess that's why I was a 'vette owner first, a TON more compassion and not a ton of rednecks like this forum seems to have. This reminds me of the Ford F150 lightning guys... hahaha

I'm done, I know when to go somewhere else for more informaiton and "help" in buying a vehicle. You tards are WAY too defensive about your SUV.

C-ya!

Well, you know the saying...."Opinions are like a$$holes...." You're entitled to both of yours. However, I'm pretty sure if you go to ANY forum as a Noob & badmouth the primary vehicle, you will more than likely catch some flack.

If you are looking for a tow vehicle, then your looking at the wrong SUV. However, if you do buy the GC SRT8, I'm pretty sure that you could put a single pipe, side exit exhaust, similar to the 5.7L, and then put a Class IV hitch in the normal location. You'll probably lose about 30% of performance, but hey, you're not really after performance anyway.:cool:



By the way, how does the wife like it when she has to scrunch into the hatch area to make room for the baby seat.

"How many Vette owners thought, "wow, where am I going to put the baby seat?""

Me... for one, and others on the 'vette forums. You can turn the passenger air bag off and it has clips in the seat for mounting. I'm getting the feeling though that I need to look at the other forum dedicated to the SRT8, this one reminds me too much of the Viper forums, buncha' a-holes that can't help someone who is looking to buy a truck. I've pretty much made up my mind that I'm getting the SRT8, just wanted some more info from owners... but some of you really take this car thing too far and very few of you even offer any help at all. Guess that's why I was a 'vette owner first, a TON more compassion and not a ton of rednecks like this forum seems to have. This reminds me of the Ford F150 lightning guys... hahaha

I'm done, I know when to go somewhere else for more informaiton and "help" in buying a vehicle. You tards are WAY too defensive about your SUV.

C-ya!

Can I show you where the door is? Its up on the top right and looks like an X. Click it.

SRT owners are rednecks? Vettes are a dime a dozen, Vipers are an American supercar. :)

Jason SRT8, I was simply trying to put the same kind of sarcastic slant on my thread reply as you had in your response to the original thread. The bottom line of the original thread is that -- if you read the original C&D article -- the magazine article did not use proper criteria in their comparison and ultimate outcome. I am not a "tard" and even if I am a little red under the collar, so what? Diversity is a good thing. If you would have asked questions that showed you had put some effort into your research first, you may get taken more seriously. That goes for any forum, on any subject. There are search engines on every forum. I only request that folks try to educate themselves first before asking what some would consider to be, not-so-intelligent questions.
Additionally, you "bashed" the vehicle -- that you stated you were considering purchasing -- before you have even driven it, much less done basic research on. You started knocking forum members for their purchase of, what many people consider to be a high performance SUV (yourself excluded, if you remember your own response. Which begs the question "why are you even wasting our time? Go out and buy a regular SUV/whatever to tow your jet-skis"), because they are not interested in towing. Was my comment about the baby seat in the Vette out of line? Maybe. But my statements about trucks, other SUV's and Jeeps is spot on. I only asked you to at least drive the vehicle, do your research, and then engage in conversation. We can agree to disagree and still have civil conversation.
I would love for more people to drive these rigs. Then companies like DCX will keep building them! And I don't mind helping people out in the least, but don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining Jason. Sorry that you are offended, but you need to go back and read your threads and notice the "tone" and "implications" contained within them before you call some of us overly sensitive about the vehicle we drive. The ZO6 is an awesome ride, I've owned one, but I didn't tell other Vette owners how poorly their cars were built before I had owned or driven one! I will purchase a C6 ZO6 in the near future, but before I engage in forum "conversations" I will arm myself with an educated opinion instead of simple, ignorant observations.
I hope you get the chance to drive the GC SRT8. I also hope that you will report back on your findings. Those of us that own the vehicle have permenant grins planted on our faces as we go through the day just thinking about driving it. It defies logical explanation. Driving is believing. If you drive it and think it is just "OK", then that's fine, it'll just leave one more SRT8 out there for someone that'll appreciate it for what it is. And hey, I really did mean have a nice day!

Having just joined this forum tonight this is a subject I completly relate to. I just became the owner of a new 06 Black SRT. My trade in was an 04 Z16/Z06. I did this for the additional room. I am about to become a grand parent and certainly want to be able to have my grand daughter be able to go out with me and my wife. Because it is brand new I really have not gone from 0-100 yet, but I certainly have mashed the pedal. I keep wondering how fast this vehicle would be if it lost 1500lbs. I have not had a great deal of time in the Jeep, but I certainly think it will provide a modicum of luxury with a great deal of performance. As my time behind the wheel increases I will render additional opinions.

My only complaint so far is trying to figure out how all the features ie. dvd, sirius, navigator, automatic bright lites, automatic wipes, etc work LOL

Looking forward to being part of this great forum.

:)

Welcome, Vette Boy. :)

"Having said that, I feel that the prospective buyer for this type of vehicle really doesn't care whether it can tow his 30' Baja or his 35' Wilderness trailer. I'm sure he already HAS a vehicle that will do that much better than the Jeep or SS."

Really? Someone would buy a $40K SUV that weighs almost 5,000 pounds and not expect to tow even a utility trailer with it? I have to disagree with you, most folks are looking at an SUV for some form of towing and the go fast factor/looks are the real plus to distinguish it from other SUV's. I don't have another vehicle to tow with, the SRT8 would replace it. And how hard is it to provide a tow option anyway? Heck, I've seen folks tow small trailers behind their vettes.

"Performance is the primary category for this type of vehicle..."

Ummm, it's an SUV. Don't kid yourself...
With all due respect, I'm not sure who’s kidding who, here? Most people might want to tow, and do not buy a limited production truck, that's geared towards people like me... I.e., someone who wants to drive a 4wd SUV and eat Mustang GTs, for breakfast, on a whim... Yeah, performance. ;)

There's no real need to defend the JGC SRT8, it looks mean, and it is. If you want to tow 5,000 lbs, you should buy something else... What do you consider a performance vehicle? My buddy drives a modded out WRX, that he thinks is dropping 280 hp to the tires, and will not have a run with me, dig or roll, and that sucker is light! :confused:

I kind of see what Car and Driver is saying, in terms of crappy little side streets... If you're on a uneven lane, or there are lots of bumps/potholes and crap, this truck is a little harsh. You'll want to get a good grip on the wheel, because the tires will velcro down on the uneven lanes, pull you around, and the stiff suspension will bounce you around a bit... No doubt about it, you get lots of feedback from the road in this truck.

But there's huge upside to this stiff suspension as well. I went through a harsh corner on I-35 at 75 mph yesterday that I used to take at 50 mph, tops, in my old Jeep, and even then I thought the old Jeep was going to roll over! No problem. There was a Laredo behind me going much slower, and he must've been thinking "Holy ****." I happen to like the harsher ride, I find it to be truer, in my opinion... I don't like the ride of the old school Town Cars where you felt like you were floating around...

Wish the boys and girls from C&D were with me yesterday...

I saw my first TBSS on the streets yesterday on a highway in traffic. I pulled up beside it and pushed out all of the cars in front of me. This truck doesn't just pull hard, it pushes hard, too. ;)

Perfect day for a run, 67 and sunny, good 2-lane black top... So I gave her a little gas, and went from 50 mph to 85 mph, just to show I wanted to run. The TBSS, sure enough, pulls into the left lane behind me, and as I let up to let her catch up (lady driving, male passenger), she fired right up on my back bumper!

So, I got over into the right lane, thinking she wants to run from the left, we'll go from a 50 mph roll... Well, to my surprise, she pulls into the right lane, behind me and immediately pulls off the highway!! Erm... Okay. Thanks for the bumper-rush! :confused:

Maybe next time the TBSS will play with me! I will say this, the TBSS looked a lot better on the street than it does in photos, in my opinion. I thought this one looked pretty good in Royal Blue...

Buy what you want. I'm not really too insecure about it. These things aren't for everyone, and both I and DCX knows it. Turns out it is for me. :D

The SRT8 Grand is for people who want performance, all weather capability, and cargo (people and luggage etc) rolled into one. No other vehicle does it better. If you have such a hard on about towing then have a custom hitch fabricated. I wouldn't sweat towing 5000lbs every now and then.

The GC wieghs under 4100lbs...TYVM.

DriveSRT.Com (http://www.drivesrt.com/flash/pdf/srt_grand_cheerokee_spec.pdf)
No,curb weight is 4731.

ok, honestly what a bunch of babies. are SRT8 owners, as a group, ever happy? go over to the TBSS sites and most of them will praise the SRT8. stock for stock it IS faster by a long shot, it DOES look better to some (i personally like the look of both of them about the same), and i'll admit they ARE a better all around performance vehicle. so why are you complaining. if they tables were turned, and the Jeep got more points that the TBSS you would rubbing it in our faces. i can imagine it would go something like "well, we knew we were better and the magazine proved it".

i just can't believe the overall immaturity of some SRT8 owners. i love SRT8s. when my wife said she wanted a SUV my only two options were the TBSS and SRT8. i went with the TBSS for a few reasons, mainly i got a helluva deal and it's what was available. i still haven't been able to find a SRT dealer within a 250 mile radius that has one to even test drive.

would you like for every TBSS owner to come over and say "yes, the SRT8 is the best thing to ever happen in the SUV world and it is 1,000,000 times better than my crappy TBSS"? at that point could we all just get along and quit with the childish car war? it's 10x worse than a camaro vs mustang conversation....or chevy vs. ford in general

... would you like for every TBSS owner to come over and say "yes, the SRT8 is the best thing to ever happen in the SUV world and it is 1,000,000 times better than my crappy TBSS"?
Yes, definitely. Can you arrange that?

[QUOTE=matts]ok, honestly what a bunch of babies. are SRT8 owners, as a group, ever happy?
i just can't believe the overall immaturity of some SRT8 owners.

Hey Matts, welcome to the forum. Wow, not sure how to answer this exactly. My original post was about my disbelief in C&D's conclusion about two performance SUV's. I simply felt that if they were going to judge two performance vehicles on their "performance", then they missed the mark. I don't slam your rig or anyone else's. I am very happy with my purchase and hope you are with yours. Is there some light-hearted bantering on these pages? Yes.
I don't troll the TBSS forums, the Vette/Viper/Mustang/Whatever forums because I don't really have an interest in them or what those drivers have to say about their rig or mine. And if I did, I would expect for those members to be just as passionate/beligerent/immature in their responses to "outside constructive criticism". If I become interested in buying another rig, then I will definitely check out what the current owners have to say on their forums, but I WON'T trash talk them in their own yard. Just not cool. The one dude that claimed to be interested in the SRT8 in this thread then proceeded to bash the vehicle simply didn't make any sense. I engaged in some semi-sarcastic conversation with him to have some fun. He cried and went home to Mommy vowing to never read this forum again. OK.
Are there some passionate owners on this forum? Absolutely. Do most of us care that there are other rigs out there that are faster? Probably not. There is always something faster, better handling, whatever. There are LOTS of threads on the "two" SRT8 forums and I really don't understand the immaturity statement. Dude, there are people on EVERY forum that are "thread/spelling/maturity" challenged. It's what makes us human. Whenever someone "picks" or "dogs-out" something you own or like, there is a chance that you may speak or act irrationally to the antagonist. We're just passionate about this rig. It's one of the coolest vehicles I've ever owned in terms of it's overall ability. "Permagrin" is standard when you buy this truck. Personally, I think the "competition" between the TBSS and GC SRT8's is going to be a good thing in terms of aftermarket performance products and even more fun at track days.
So again, (if you have read previous threads and entries by me) if you want to engage in serious, thoughtful, open-minded discussion about these SRT8's, then there are lots of folks on this forum that are there for ya. But if you want to come into our yard and take a dump, be prepared for the sh*tstorm that's headed your way. Look forward to slapping some keys with you! Sorry for the long post gang! Too much coffee this morning!

One of the main concerns I had before I ordered my '07 GC SRT8 was its ability to tow. I regularly tow a motorcyle trailer and a 12' Wells Cargo box trailer. The GC SRT8 is rated to tow 3500lbs but I have yet to see a receiver hitch that I like. I have talked to a local hot rod/fab shop owner, and he will be building and installing a custom hitch for my Jeep.

That being said, I am unwilling to assume whether most, or even some, GC SRT8 owners want to use a vehicle like this for towing. Nor do I care. If someone is interested in what my hitch installation looks like, I will gladly share that information. If someone has no intentions of towing with their GC SRT8, great. If someone wants to paint one purple and put green stripes on one, cool. Weird, but cool. To each his or her own.

I, for one, will always need a vehicle I can tow with. My last 3 Lightnings have served me well in the towing department while maintaining the ability to harrass many sports and GT machines. I'm sure the GC SRT8 will do the same.

Anyway, more to the point, it seems the folks at Car & Driver are losing their hooligan attitudes as they get older. That magazine sure isn't the same as when David E. Davis started it. Automobile tends to do a better job of representing the performance enthusiast, in my humble opinion. I'm sure that if my 73 year old mother did an evaluation of the TB SS vs. the GC SRT8, the TB SS would come out on top.

Sad to see C & D losing their edge.

[QUOTE=matts]ok, honestly what a bunch of babies. are SRT8 owners, as a group, ever happy?
i just can't believe the overall immaturity of some SRT8 owners.

Hey Matts, welcome to the forum. Wow, not sure how to answer this exactly. My original post was about my disbelief in C&D's conclusion about two performance SUV's. I simply felt that if they were going to judge two performance vehicles on their "performance", then they missed the mark. I don't slam your rig or anyone else's. I am very happy with my purchase and hope you are with yours. Is there some light-hearted bantering on these pages? Yes.
I don't troll the TBSS forums, the Vette/Viper/Mustang/Whatever forums because I don't really have an interest in them or what those drivers have to say about their rig or mine. And if I did, I would expect for those members to be just as passionate/beligerent/immature in their responses to "outside constructive criticism". If I become interested in buying another rig, then I will definitely check out what the current owners have to say on their forums, but I WON'T trash talk them in their own yard. Just not cool. The one dude that claimed to be interested in the SRT8 in this thread then proceeded to bash the vehicle simply didn't make any sense. I engaged in some semi-sarcastic conversation with him to have some fun. He cried and went home to Mommy vowing to never read this forum again. OK.
Are there some passionate owners on this forum? Absolutely. Do most of us care that there are other rigs out there that are faster? Probably not. There is always something faster, better handling, whatever. There are LOTS of threads on the "two" SRT8 forums and I really don't understand the immaturity statement. Dude, there are people on EVERY forum that are "thread/spelling/maturity" challenged. It's what makes us human. Whenever someone "picks" or "dogs-out" something you own or like, there is a chance that you may speak or act irrationally to the antagonist. We're just passionate about this rig. It's one of the coolest vehicles I've ever owned in terms of it's overall ability. "Permagrin" is standard when you buy this truck. Personally, I think the "competition" between the TBSS and GC SRT8's is going to be a good thing in terms of aftermarket performance products and even more fun at track days.
So again, (if you have read previous threads and entries by me) if you want to engage in serious, thoughtful, open-minded discussion about these SRT8's, then there are lots of folks on this forum that are there for ya. But if you want to come into our yard and take a dump, be prepared for the sh*tstorm that's headed your way. Look forward to slapping some keys with you! Sorry for the long post gang! Too much coffee this morning!

You took the words right out of my mouth my friend :). This is a Forum for GC SRT8 Enthusiasts, and we take Our modding very serious. And yes we will seek you others out (TB SS) and destroy you. :eek:

the immaturity statement wasn't directed to you Bahnblastr, or a majority of the SRT owners for that matter. should have thought that comment through a little more. now there were a couple of peole that made a comment that always make the same comments...."SRT IS GOD BLAH BLAH BLAH". and when i say "you" im not necissarily referring to YOU, that's more of a general statement.

i understand the enthusiast stand point. i've got a TBSS and i'm glad to own to it. i really do like the SRT8, they look great standing still, they are faster, they probably do handle better (never road in one). and i also understand being biased toward the vehicle you own, but to be totally oblivious to other performance oriented vehicles that can, indeed, give you competition?

im with most of you as far as towing goes. i dont tow anything, and what ever i do tow im sure the SRT8 would fill the bill. i didn't buy the TBSS strictly on it's towing ability. in fact it wasn't even an issue, never crossed my mind. i knew i wanted one of the two and i came across a SS with a good deal first, so that's what i bought.

Cool beans Matts. I think most of the guys (and Gals!) on this, or the "other" forum would be more than happy to discuss the differences, strengths and weaknesses, of our respective vehicles. The name calling and posturing that goes along with performance vehicles has been around for as long as people have been racing. These forums just make it a little easier to talk smack and lots of people read it. I find it a little counter-productive to intelligent conversation. If it is in fun--Tony the TBSS guy has a lot of fun here, but he has been picked on too. His latest thread comments have been much less adversarial and he actually seems to have some fun here. I enjoy his entries and it's just good, friendly competition. If you ever get a chance to drive the SRT8 GC, you may understand why we are so "short-tempered" when folks trash it with no basis for their opinion other than "someone told me". There are all kinds of SRT8 owners on this forum and the "Blue" forum. Some folks want to make these things into virtual Land Rockets, some just want a Bad-A$$ grocery getter, some guys don't even care about ultimate performance as much as having the ultimate Cruise Monster --they are already decking them out in 22's+ and they do look cool. To each his own. I know the GC is about $10K more similarly equipped and that will turn a lot of potential buyers off. But hey, I would love to drive a new Porsche Carrera GT, but a house is a little more important, and affordable for me. If you get my drift. Dang you guys make me type too much!!:eek:
Hang in there with us and there'll be some good productive dialogue between the two "camps" and some damn good fun at the race track! Oh, and I know you weren't directing your comments at me personally, but I just can't help taking up the gauntlet for the SRT guys and slapping these freakin' keys! Enough rambling! Let's drive!! :cool:

Is this the TBSS forum? :rolleyes: