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CGR LVR
07-20-2006, 10:10 AM
The other night at a local car club I got called out by this guy in a Trailblazer SS...something about my HEMI wasnt worth shit. Anyways the guy wanted to race so bad he was practically begging. So i agreed. From everything i have heard about this guy he doesnt ever do anything lightly, meaning everthing he owns is fast, but i really wanted to put the jeep up against something in its own class. (got tired of killing mustangs!!:D ) I have heard stories of this guy having nitrous in the TB but he always denies it. I knew for sure he had a muffler and a tune because i saw them installed at the speed shop while getting my other car worked on. So to say the least he is not stock...i am.

We did three runs...the first one he jumped me real bad (no one flagging) and he got me by about a half car...the second race i jumped him real bad and got him by about 3 cars. The last time we had a guyt flag us and we both launched at the same time. I ended up about 1.5 cars ahead of him for the finish...very fun. Dont know the eaxct distance but it was a little over a 1/4 mile because where our finish line was i was doing about 125.

El Jefe
07-20-2006, 10:30 AM
theres a lot of BS going on ******. Why do these SS guys think they can hang with the Jeep?

CGR LVR
07-20-2006, 04:21 PM
what forum are you talking about??

NateO
07-21-2006, 09:47 AM
Erm, don't most experts agree that this really isn't up for debate? E.g.,

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/10848/2006-jeep-grand-cherokee-srt8.html

What's your associate smoking? :confused:

Sounds like this has been righted, then. ;) :D

TracerHawk
08-12-2006, 07:43 PM
I dont think there's any question from anybody that the SRT8 is way faster! Its funny people would think they are even close.

What I like about that review, is that the JGC SRT-8 only finished a tiny 2 total points behind the TBSS. And for me, I could care less that the towing capacity is 3500 lbs, so there's 3 points back. I also could care less about 67 cubic feet of space versus 80 in the TBSS, so theres additional points recovered, for me anyway!

viol8r
08-12-2006, 10:36 PM
The highlight of that article is the jeeps 4.5sec zero to sixty time.

blacksheep
08-15-2006, 02:58 AM
The other night at a local car club I got called out by this guy in a Trailblazer SS...something about my HEMI wasnt worth ****. Anyways the guy wanted to race so bad he was practically begging. So i agreed. From everything i have heard about this guy he doesnt ever do anything lightly, meaning everthing he owns is fast, but i really wanted to put the jeep up against something in its own class. (got tired of killing mustangs!!:D ) I have heard stories of this guy having nitrous in the TB but he always denies it. I knew for sure he had a muffler and a tune because i saw them installed at the speed shop while getting my other car worked on. So to say the least he is not stock...i am.

We did three runs...the first one he jumped me real bad (no one flagging) and he got me by about a half car...the second race i jumped him real bad and got him by about 3 cars. The last time we had a guyt flag us and we both launched at the same time. I ended up about 1.5 cars ahead of him for the finish...very fun. Dont know the eaxct distance but it was a little over a 1/4 mile because where our finish line was i was doing about 125.

Last time I checked you walked over to me very time you've seen me BEGGING my ass. At the time of the race all I had was a Magnaflow muffler and a k&n filter. So quit bragging to your buddies on the internet, or better yet let's take it to a track to even out the flagger. You can try again any time, but this time will not be for free $$$. Curt

Black_SRT8
08-15-2006, 07:08 AM
Last time I checked you walked over to me very time you've seen me BEGGING my ass. At the time of the race all I had was a Magnaflow muffler and a k&n filter. So quit bragging to your buddies on the internet, or better yet let's take it to a track to even out the flagger. You can try again any time, but this time will not be for free $$$. Curt

Go to your room~

GRNENVY
08-15-2006, 07:13 AM
The GC is all about the hook. There's know way a trailblazer can hang.

ranwalk
08-15-2006, 08:42 AM
No debate, off the showroom floor the Jeep is faster. What I think is funny, is the fact it was mentioned that the Trailblazer guy(who is a friend of mine) was "BEGGING" to run the Jeep. This could not be further from the truth. He doesnt beg anyone for anything. And so what, he has a few mods done to his SS. Thats what its all about, customizing and making it better. Anyone can go out and buy a stock vehicle, whoopdee doo. Yeah, its fast for what it is, but stock sucks,regardless of what it is.
I say do it again, at a track where there is no question or problems with a flag person.

NateO
08-15-2006, 10:15 AM
Anyone can go out and buy a stock vehicle, whoopdee doo. Yeah, its fast for what it is, but stock sucks,regardless of what it is.
Anyone can go out and buy a stock SRT8? How do we explain the existence of Hyundai?

And I'd really have to wonder about someone modding a BMW M5... I fail to see how these suck, as shipped. :confused:

Mod away if you like, stock JC SRT8 is no point of embarassment for this happy customer! :)

ranwalk
08-15-2006, 11:07 AM
Anyone can go out and buy a stock SRT8? How do we explain the existence of Hyundai?

And I'd really have to wonder about someone modding a BMW M5... I fail to see how these suck, as shipped. :confused:

Mod away if you like, stock JC SRT8 is no point of embarassment for this happy customer! :)
1. Yep, they will finance to anyone these days, lol Some people just dont want one.
2. Show me a stock M5 and I can promise you there is a modded one out there that will hand it it's ass
3.I will mod away, i'm an enthusiast. I also believe your vehicle is a reflection of your self. I dont care to be the guy that buys a product, doesnt mod it, then runs around spouting off like i'm "somebody" in my stock vehicle.
And I can assure you, my modded vehicle can more than handle an SRT8. And no, it isnt a car.
Like I stated before, I want to see the SS and Srt8 at the track, all the BS aside. I have heard two different sides to the story and would like to see it resolved.:D

ge2
08-15-2006, 11:16 AM
I'm a modder too, and don't personally want stock ANYTHING myself. That being said, I think my daddy can beat up both your daddys, and I pee further than anyone in this forum :)

barho
08-15-2006, 12:07 PM
3.I will mod away, i'm an enthusiast. I also believe your vehicle is a reflection of your self. I dont care to be the guy that buys a product, doesnt mod it, then runs around spouting off like i'm "somebody" in my stock vehicle.

No offense buddy, but unless YOU performed all the mods yourself (rather then sending it off to say, Henessey, or someone simlar) I don't believe you as an "enthusist" is any different than someone who goes out and buys a stock GC SRT8. Both the placement of you mods and the construction of my vehicle was performed by someone other than ourselves.

So please, get off your high horse, and admit what everyone else already knows......a STOCK GC SRT8 will eat a stock TBSS for lunch (not to mention the Trail Blazer as an overall vehicle is a pile of JUNK).

Black_SRT8
08-15-2006, 12:10 PM
The Trailblazer SS is overpriced by $35,000.

ranwalk
08-15-2006, 12:48 PM
No offense buddy, but unless YOU performed all the mods yourself (rather then sending it off to say, Henessey, or someone simlar) I don't believe you as an "enthusist" is any different than someone who goes out and buys a stock GC SRT8. Both the placement of you mods and the construction of my vehicle was performed by someone other than ourselves.

So please, get off your high horse, and admit what everyone else already knows......a STOCK GC SRT8 will eat a stock TBSS for lunch (not to mention the Trail Blazer as an overall vehicle is a pile of JUNK).
I admit, I dont do "all" my own work, but I do as much as I can. If it's above my mechanical ability, then yes i pay someone to do it. And no, my skills are not limited to changing oil. :rolleyes:
If you look at my other post you will see that I stated stock for stock the Jeep wins.
There are some stock SS's running mid to lower 13's stock, but those are freaks, not the norm.

El Jefe
08-15-2006, 12:50 PM
a stock SS will not break the mid 13 second range....give me a break.

2006 Chevrolet Trailblazer SS
Base price $34,500 (est)
Vehicle layout Front engine, RWD or AWD, 4-door, 5-pass SUV
Engine 6.0L/391 hp/395 lb-ft OHV 16-valve V-8
Transmission 4-speed automatic
Curb weight 4550 lb (mfr est, RWD)
Wheelbase 113.0 in
Length x Width x Height 191.8 x 74.6 x 67.8 in
0-60 mph 5.8 sec (est)
1/4 mile 14.0 sec @ 100.0 mph (est)

Id be shocked if I saw a stock TB run a 14 flat. That had to be the best weather possible and perfect track conditions

Heres a tuned TB SS and it ran a 13.6
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/trailblazer/0/08a7cb09-0f1c-4c27-b84a-98130004e88e.htm

Intake and tune runs a 14.28
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/trailblazer/0/6562cfd0-62c1-45be-b9ce-8dd19f3d5079.htm

Against a modded Mustang GT(which has no more than 270hp)
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/trailblazer/0/68116700-0235-4571-b562-9815012da531.htm

barho
08-15-2006, 12:51 PM
I admit, I dont do "all" my own work, but I do as much as I can. If it's above my mechanical ability, then yes i pay someone to do it. And no, my skills are not limited to changing oil. :rolleyes:
If you look at my other post you will see that I stated stock for stock the Jeep wins.
There are some stock SS's running mid to lower 13's stock, but those are freaks, not the norm.

OK, cool. Then all is well with the force ;)

BLKltng
08-17-2006, 12:55 AM
1.5 cars is a little to close for comfort for me. Time for some mods.

GCburns
08-17-2006, 01:18 AM
stock vs sock..srt8 wins, mod vs mod...srt8 wins. whats the debate about?

blacksheep
08-17-2006, 01:27 AM
stock vs sock..srt8 wins, mod vs mod...srt8 wins. whats the debate about?

Maybe but can you get an SRT8 to run 11's for $35k?

El Jefe
08-17-2006, 10:38 AM
Maybe but can you get an SRT8 to run 11's for $35k?
No but do you really want to spend $35k on a pos Chevy

ranwalk
08-17-2006, 11:41 AM
No but do you really want to spend $35k on a pos Chevy
Whats up with calling the Chevy a POS? I dont see us calling the Jeep a POS.
Personally, I would much rather buy the Trailblazer. It cost less, and since I dont leave anything stock, I can spend a little money on it, put a whooping on an SRT8 and still have less money overall invested in it. To each his own, I drive a truck any way, not an SUV and it will whoop em both;) :D

radduc
08-17-2006, 11:50 AM
Bring It On!!!!!!!!!!!!!:d

SRT Great
08-17-2006, 12:00 PM
As a sporty SUV, both trucks meet my expectations, but the Jeep had the edge until you talked price. When EP came along, it was over, and I bought the Jeep. I think the styling of SS was too much like it's common brother, which is not exactly a good foundation to start with, and that's what held me up from jumping right into an SS. Had EP not come along, I'd probably be drivin' an SS in a year or so, and wishing I had the JEEP, but glad I saved the $10K. With EP, all my dreams came true.....and now I'm out on the streets terrorizing soccer moms, slow children, and TB SS drivers:)

By the way, why do we say the JEEP can out launch the SS? I can see the 2wd SS not doing good, but with AWD, I'd think those first few feet would be about the same for both trucks. Does GM have a different AWD set-up?

ranwalk
08-17-2006, 12:26 PM
Bring It On!!!!!!!!!!!!!:d
I'm not wasting my gas driving to NJ, you bring it to MS:D lol

split2112
08-17-2006, 12:44 PM
My last car was a chevy and it fell apart...

DC>GM

ranwalk
08-17-2006, 01:09 PM
My last car was a chevy and it fell apart...

DC>GM
Yeah, Dodges never have problems;) I worked for many years at a Mercedes dealer. 100k dollar cars in the shop every week for all kinds of problems. Doesnt matter what it is, they all have thier share of problems.

NateO
08-17-2006, 03:35 PM
Personally, I would much rather buy the Trailblazer.
That thought never even crossed my mind, seriously. I once had a [cheaper] Chevy, first car, and, fortunately, it was totalled very shortly after I bought it! :D

My last Jeep, a '93, held up pretty well over the years... Just gave it to my sister. :)

In any event, this might interest you:

http://www.trailblazerss.com/forums/

:p

I was reading this:

http://www.trailblazerss.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2752

What's a 'Vector tune' and how is that going to get the TB SS in the game? Must be one hell of a tune up? :confused:

Post number 7, in my last link, looks aboot right to me!! :D ;)

ranwalk
08-17-2006, 03:54 PM
Just wondering, where is the starter of this thread? Hasnt had anything else to say or add? Looks to me like he must have told a little story and must be scared of another run with the SS:p

NateO
08-17-2006, 03:58 PM
Not sure... But, read this again (or for the first time?):

http://www.trailblazerss.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2752

Fear should not be a factor when driving a GC SRT8 near a TB SS! :p ;)

Unless you're very low on gas! :D

ranwalk
08-17-2006, 04:12 PM
Not sure... But, read this again (or for the first time?):

http://www.trailblazerss.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2752

Fear should not be a factor when driving a GC SRT8 near a TB SS! :p ;)

Unless you're very low on gas! :D
That has nothing to do with the two vehicles being talked about in this thread:rolleyes:

split2112
08-17-2006, 04:59 PM
why are you here? there is absolutely no one on this forum that will agree with you or think "hey this guy has a point, a TBSS actually has a chance against a SRT8" It just isnt true.

I dont understand what point you are trying to prove.

If you are saying that stock doesnt matter and only mods do...then its totally subjective. yea, i could spend 35K on mods on some heap of trash and it could probably keep up with some faster cars. but what if i put 35K into that faster car? its all relative isnt it?

ranwalk
08-17-2006, 05:22 PM
why are you here? there is absolutely no one on this forum that will agree with you or think "hey this guy has a point, a TBSS actually has a chance against a SRT8" It just isnt true.

I dont understand what point you are trying to prove.

If you are saying that stock doesnt matter and only mods do...then its totally subjective. yea, i could spend 35K on mods on some heap of trash and it could probably keep up with some faster cars. but what if i put 35K into that faster car? its all relative isnt it?
I just want to see a rematch,thats all.
I may even want to get in on it. Unless trucks arent fast enough;)

WebDiligence
08-17-2006, 05:33 PM
Not sure... But, read this again (or for the first time?):

http://www.trailblazerss.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2752

Fear should not be a factor when driving a GC SRT8 near a TB SS! :p ;)

Unless you're very low on gas! :D

Great thread! I love how some guys just can't face the music, and others are as down to earth as can be.

goshawk23
08-17-2006, 10:03 PM
i don't know prices of each SUV being talked about. i really don't care. I currently own a TB and i will say it is not a POS. far from it. mod for mod, the GM has an aftermarket. wheres yours? the jeeps? last i looked the great DC locked your pcm's. ok. hypertech has unlocked it. cool. so has superchips. even better. what do those programmers get you? 10 hp. cool, my palms are sweating from the excitement of that. ok, heres your arguement. we don't have to mod our trucks to beat a TBSS. Yep your right. thats been admitted. But remember, when the first TBSS hits 10's where is your jeep going to be? still in the 13's. 12's with gas? maybe 11's. to each his own, and i'm glad that you folks have the vehicles you wanted. NOW, take another look at this post, i never bashed any one for having a jeep or TBSS. hmm, take note, you guys could use a little unbiased opinion. the jeep is a cool suv to own. so is the tbss. but the thread starter came in here and claimed something that wasn't entirely true or accurate. he's been called out on it. i'd be more worried that one of your loyal members has to lie about a race to empress you then the actually performance of your vehicle. btw, i own a lowly 11 sec ecsb chevy truck, i know i'm not fast enough for yall:D .

goshawk23
08-17-2006, 11:01 PM
my last rant if you will. DC guys seem so defensive about their vehicles while gm guys recognize a potential flaw. we have a aftermarket to fix it. DC really don't. oh yea. why did dodge produce the same pickup truck for 20 years and yet, you hardly see one on the road?

copmagnet
08-17-2006, 11:20 PM
Not sure... But, read this again (or for the first time?):

http://www.trailblazerss.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2752

Fear should not be a factor when driving a GC SRT8 near a TB SS! :p ;)

Unless you're very low on gas! :D



Ha ha! Thats funnny........ I happen to be the mystery man in the Black GC SRT8 in that story!!!! What a small world.

That took place here in Houston last week. I came up on the TB's bumper and noticed the exhaust had a little cut-out for it on the rear bumper. I didn't remember normal TB's having that cut-out so after working my way around him in traffic, I noticed it was an SS. Been waiting along time to come across one. I had found another one a month or two back on the same freeway bit it was blue and some mid 40's woman was driving, that obviously wasn't game to run them. This one (white) still had paper plates on, so I wasn't sure if they were ready to open it up. To my luck though, the guy was game and we lined up at 60mph. He gave to finger count... and the rest of his story is exactly how it went... People kept changing into the open lanes in front of us while we were at WOT so we had to abort a few moments into it. But it was enough to definitely figure out which one was quicker........
Good guy though, and I had no idea it was the same guy that I raced in the M roadster a few months back. Good to know. Although, the memory of him catching me at 100mph didn't happen to my knowledge:confused: , unless he thought I was still going when actually let off...........happens all the time.

Anyways, thats my contribution to this thread. Kinda funny it was posted on another forum......I was hoping I would hear about our little run in.....And there it was.....:cool:

ge2
08-18-2006, 07:20 AM
Testosterone at it's best. LOL

Both of these SUVs beat a lot of cars on the road, yet it's still not good enough. LOL

Boy I wish worrying about if my car was faster than yours was the biggest problem I had to worry about.

ranwalk
08-18-2006, 08:03 AM
Testosterone at it's best. LOL

Both of these SUVs beat a lot of cars on the road, yet it's still not good enough. LOL

Boy I wish worrying about if my car was faster than yours was the biggest problem I had to worry about.
Actually, working on my truck and improving it helps take my mind off my bigger problems. Of course, it causes problems too, mostly with the wife,lol:D

NateO
08-18-2006, 08:18 AM
NOW, take another look at this post, i never bashed any one for having a jeep or TBSS. hmm, take note, you guys could use a little unbiased opinion.
I don't think I ripped on the TB SS, I really don't much about them and I've never sat in one. I ripped on my other Chevy, but it was a used, piece of junk... I was a Jeep guy to begin with, before knowing about the SRT8 variety, and I remain one, now that I own one.

But, the numbers still look pretty good on the TB and it might be better for families, towing, etc... I have a buddy with a 4,200 lb. boat, so he couldn't pick up an SRT8 and tow it... They could be very nice SUVs for all I know...

That other thread on the TB SS board was funny! Nice to see the 'mystery man' 'fess up! :D

Turns out I have other issues to deal with. My left rear tire is screwed! Literally! Ran-flat into work this morning and into Goodyear this afternoon! That'll be one new window and one new tire in the first 3 months!! :eek:

Too bad, too. The highway was wide-open this morning, and I'm trolling along at 55 mph... If I could just keep this thing out of harms way! :mad: :(

ge2
08-18-2006, 08:58 AM
Actually, working on my truck and improving it helps take my mind off my bigger problems. Of course, it causes problems too, mostly with the wife,lol:D


Working on the truck, and improving it.... I totally agree with you. It's the junior high pissing contest that cracks me up.

And the wife thing? Brother you hit that one square on the head. If I had a dime for everytime my wife made comments about my affinity for customizing, washing, talking about etc my vehicles..... I'd have enough money to have BOTH a TBSS and the SRT :)

ranwalk
08-18-2006, 09:17 AM
Working on the truck, and improving it.... I totally agree with you. It's the junior high pissing contest that cracks me up.

And the wife thing? Brother you hit that one square on the head. If I had a dime for everytime my wife made comments about my affinity for customizing, washing, talking about etc my vehicles..... I'd have enough money to have BOTH a TBSS and the SRT :)
Keeping the pot stirred is good for a distraction too;) As long as it's all in fun:D

markeddy
08-19-2006, 05:04 AM
My wife owns a 2003 Trailblazer LTZ and she likes it.

My quick point is this, I was a die hard Chevy guy and owned several (mostly Camaros) from 1990-1999. After that I had a couple of Jeep Wranglers TJ's for some Rock Crawling in Dresser, WI. While I like the idea of Trailblazer SS, and like the fact that it has the LS2 in it the thing is just damn UGLY.

Now that I am married and have 2 kids there wasn't anything Chevrolet had to offer in a 4-door sports sedan that did anything for me. That's why I went to the Lancer Evolution, yeah yeah the wing can get a little annoying but it's part of the character of the vehicle. Heck with a 3" catback and ECU tune I am running in the high 12's and can haul the whole family for about $33k comfortably.

My point is this, the Jeep GC SRT-8 is head/shoulders above the Trailblazer in 9/10 categories the only exception being towing. The Jeep GC SRT-8 is the complete package for a performance SUV, it's by FAR got the more refined interior, it's cleaner looking, sleaker looking and is faster, PERIOD.

Once the TB is paid off next year I will be pitching the wife to trade it in on a Jeep SRT-8.

Sorry GM, you still don't get it.

Black_SRT8
08-19-2006, 06:32 AM
Sorry GM, you still don't get it.

Considering the stocks, bonds, and balance sheets of American automakers, DCX is the only US company that currently "gets it."

However, DCX only has to sell 3,000 SRT8 GC's. Therefore, the company can be intricate and creative with the design (low ride height and center-exit exhaust).

Conversely, GM mass produced the TBSS, so the vehicle must be more ambiguous in order to cater to the general public (hitch and roomier interior).

markeddy
08-19-2006, 01:11 PM
SRT-8 is still the better vehicle even with a little less room and lesser degree of towingg capacity.

Chevy could have easily thrown another 1000-2000 dollars into the overall price and spruced it up both on the interior/exterior/engine and had a more competitive vehicle performance wise and still could have remained competitive as far as price is concerned. Buy they didn't.

I wonder how many TB SS's have been sold though, I would be suprised if it were more that 3000-5000 of them.

bikeluver43
08-19-2006, 05:10 PM
Maybe but can you get an SRT8 to run 11's for $35k?

Are you serious? Can you get a TBSS into the 11's for $35k? And if your going to use that kind of analysis than my ZX636R is 100 times better stock than your modded TBSS since it can run 10's for the price of $6800? Or how about a $1000 Mustang 5.0 with a $1500 Vortech supercharger? Fact is your comparing a stock GC against a modded TBSS and you still lost. The GC is a better buy and is more expensive because its- A newer Model, has more done to it with suspension, engine, and tranny/transfer case development. The TBSS is aging and GM just threw the Vette engine in it with an aging tranny and nothing else. Of course its going to be cheaper, and it'll depreciate that way as well.

ranwalk
08-20-2006, 07:04 AM
Are you serious? Can you get a TBSS into the 11's for $35k? And if your going to use that kind of analysis than my ZX636R is 100 times better stock than your modded TBSS since it can run 10's for the price of $6800? Or how about a $1000 Mustang 5.0 with a $1500 Vortech supercharger? Fact is your comparing a stock GC against a modded TBSS and you still lost. The GC is a better buy and is more expensive because its- A newer Model, has more done to it with suspension, engine, and tranny/transfer case development. The TBSS is aging and GM just threw the Vette engine in it with an aging tranny and nothing else. Of course its going to be cheaper, and it'll depreciate that way as well.
First of all ,the starter of the thread lied, so a rematch is needed. Second, it seems there is not really much known here about the SS. They did not just "throw" a vette engine in it and call it an SS. It isnt running an aging transmission or stock suspension.
It comes with a 14 bolt rear end, 4 link set up with air bags. The transmisison is a new 4l70e. And yes,the enine is an LS2,same as a C6 Vette.
Can you get an SS in the 11's for 35k? Yes, you can, if you know what the hell your doing.The Jeep is nice, but i'm sorry, the SS is a much better platform to build off of.I say this because you can mod an SS, outperform the Jeep, and still have spent less money. If you dont want to mod, then get the Jeep. And why the hell would you start comparing motorcycles? We are still talking about two SUV's here. Maybe Blacksheep should give the specs on some of his bikes? Your ZX636R wouldnt come close to any of them. This thread wasnt even started as a comparison of the two. It was a story of a race and lies were told. Again, I say time for a rematch. You guys can keep on loving your Jeep's. It is a nice ride, just dont screw up and pull next to me;)

blacksheep
08-20-2006, 08:07 AM
Are you serious? Can you get a TBSS into the 11's for $35k? And if your going to use that kind of analysis than my ZX636R is 100 times better stock than your modded TBSS since it can run 10's for the price of $6800? Or how about a $1000 Mustang 5.0 with a $1500 Vortech supercharger? Fact is your comparing a stock GC against a modded TBSS and you still lost. The GC is a better buy and is more expensive because its- A newer Model, has more done to it with suspension, engine, and tranny/transfer case development. The TBSS is aging and GM just threw the Vette engine in it with an aging tranny and nothing else. Of course its going to be cheaper, and it'll depreciate that way as well.

Yeah thats right compare it to a bike or a fox body. I have a 64"wb hayabusa that run's low eights for under $9k and no one cares. I bought the truck I wanted, I don't have any thing against an SRT8 it's a great truck. And yes I can build an 11 second TBSS for $35k, just like I can build the 9 sec Silverado that is in my garage. The only reason I am on this site is because of the original post about some one not telling the truth about a race.

bikeluver43
08-20-2006, 08:13 AM
First of all ,the starter of the thread lied, so a rematch is needed. Second, it seems there is not really much known here about the SS. They did not just "throw" a vette engine in it and call it an SS. It isnt running an aging transmission or stock suspension.
It comes with a 14 bolt rear end, 4 link set up with air bags. The transmisison is a new 4l70e. And yes,the enine is an LS2,same as a C6 Vette.
Can you get an SS in the 11's for 35k? Yes, you can, if you know what the hell your doing.The Jeep is nice, but i'm sorry, the SS is a much better platform to build off of.I say this because you can mod an SS, outperform the Jeep, and still have spent less money. If you dont want to mod, then get the Jeep. And why the hell would you start comparing motorcycles? We are still talking about two SUV's here. Maybe Blacksheep should give the specs on some of his bikes? Your ZX636R wouldnt come close to any of them. This thread wasnt even started as a comparison of the two. It was a story of a race and lies were told. Again, I say time for a rematch. You guys can keep on loving your Jeep's. It is a nice ride, just dont screw up and pull next to me;)

I can compare other peoples cars all day- My good friend who owns a body shop's Lambo Gallardo could Whoop your truck, but thats not mine is it? I could care less about your buddies bikes, my point is comparing money spent on a vehicle is a null point. Basically, when you spending $30Grand on a car, you should have spare money laying around to make such a purchase. Those who buy a GCSRT8 can afford it, and if so please, can afford mods. Some probably can't so they go for the TBSS and start yappin' about how they saved $10G's which leaves them mod money-but 95% of TBSS owners aren't taking that extra $10G's and putting them into mods, they're just buying tuners, intake and exhaust. Then they think they can kill anything in their tracks. For the starter of this thread, maybe he lied, but apparently the outcome was the same.

Don't get me wrong, the SS has great potential since its using a motor thats basically been around since 97 with the LS1 variant. Its had almost 10 years for the aftermarket to respond. The GC has a better tranny, better motor to start off with, and better suspension/brake package. I personally like the SS as well and would consider one due to its already proven aftermarket support,and the fact that they can't move them off the lots around here and could probably get one for high 20's. And post some pic's of your truck, I'd love to see what you've got since its so fast :)

ranwalk
08-20-2006, 09:01 AM
I can compare other peoples cars all day- My good friend who owns a body shop's Lambo Gallardo could Whoop your truck, but thats not mine is it? I could care less about your buddies bikes, my point is comparing money spent on a vehicle is a null point. Basically, when you spending $30Grand on a car, you should have spare money laying around to make such a purchase. Those who buy a GCSRT8 can afford it, and if so please, can afford mods. Some probably can't so they go for the TBSS and start yappin' about how they saved $10G's which leaves them mod money-but 95% of TBSS owners aren't taking that extra $10G's and putting them into mods, they're just buying tuners, intake and exhaust. Then they think they can kill anything in their tracks. For the starter of this thread, maybe he lied, but apparently the outcome was the same.

Don't get me wrong, the SS has great potential since its using a motor thats basically been around since 97 with the LS1 variant. Its had almost 10 years for the aftermarket to respond. The GC has a better tranny, better motor to start off with, and better suspension/brake package. I personally like the SS as well and would consider one due to its already proven aftermarket support,and the fact that they can't move them off the lots around here and could probably get one for high 20's. And post some pic's of your truck, I'd love to see what you've got since its so fast :)
There are plenty of trucks out there faster than mine. But I will humor you and spill the beans on what I have. Somthing tells me you think i'm not being truthfull when I say I have a fast truck, so here is the run down----
2002 GMC Sierra
6.0 liter engine
small cam
Minor head work
Long tube headers,no cats,3.5 inch exhaust
Procharger D1SC at 13psi
Electric fans
Yank TT 3000 Converter
4.10 gears
Eaton posi
Twin intank walbro 255lph pumps
60lb/hr injectors
Dynoed 563rwhp/533rwtq
Not done with it, working on a new cam, will be seeing over 600rwhp end of the year. Truck runs on pump gas, and is driven every day:D
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h120/ranwalk/DSC03500.jpg

bikeluver43
08-20-2006, 09:13 AM
Please don't get me wrong, it wasn't that I didn't believe you about your truck, its just the way you spoke of it that made you sound arrogant. You honestly sound like an intelligent enthusiast yet set a tone that can cause a backlash from the competition. Thats a sharp truck, and very well done. Have you ran it at the track lately? And not to add fuel to the fire but using the logic in this thread, a Dakota R/T could've been purchased for less and made faster than your truck for less money as well-see where I'm going with the money spent arguement?

ranwalk
08-20-2006, 09:31 AM
Please don't get me wrong, it wasn't that I didn't believe you about your truck, its just the way you spoke of it that made you sound arrogant. You honestly sound like an intelligent enthusiast yet set a tone that can cause a backlash from the competition. Thats a sharp truck, and very well done. Have you ran it at the track lately? And not to add fuel to the fire but using the logic in this thread, a Dakota R/T could've been purchased for less and made faster than your truck for less money as well-see where I'm going with the money spent arguement?
I think there are good points on both sides. It really all comes down to what you like though doesnt it? This is one of those disscusions that can continue to no end, but it makes for some good smack talk, as long as everyone does it in fun. I try not to get worked up too much over this stuff, but you gotta stir the pot a little;) Some people do and will take it WAY to serious though,but that is there problem.
I have been to the track only once since getting my truck together. Had some problems as to be expected first time out. It broke loose around the 60ft mark, spun bad,hit the rev limiter and threw the belt. I still stayed in th throttle but lifted around the 1000 ft mark, this netted me a whopping 12.8@96mph. Not bad considering I was down well over 200hp with no belt, and it was 90 degrees out. The belt was stretched real bad afterwards so it was pretty much done. I'm waiting for some better weather to make another run, I got the belt issue sorted out, so hopefully can make a clean pass with it.

LETREDDEVIL
08-20-2006, 10:43 AM
I Think They Need To Race Again I Want Some Of The Action To.
The Devil Want To Play Also

bikeluver43
08-20-2006, 01:50 PM
I think there are good points on both sides. It really all comes down to what you like though doesnt it? This is one of those disscusions that can continue to no end, but it makes for some good smack talk, as long as everyone does it in fun. I try not to get worked up too much over this stuff, but you gotta stir the pot a little;) Some people do and will take it WAY to serious though,but that is there problem.
I have been to the track only once since getting my truck together. Had some problems as to be expected first time out. It broke loose around the 60ft mark, spun bad,hit the rev limiter and threw the belt. I still stayed in th throttle but lifted around the 1000 ft mark, this netted me a whopping 12.8@96mph. Not bad considering I was down well over 200hp with no belt, and it was 90 degrees out. The belt was stretched real bad afterwards so it was pretty much done. I'm waiting for some better weather to make another run, I got the belt issue sorted out, so hopefully can make a clean pass with it.

Thats awesome, definintely got a beast on your hands! Did you start with an LS2 longblock or the truck 6.0? As for the TBSS vs SRT arguement, it reminds me of the EVO vs. SRT4 arguement in a way. On one side you have a complete package that costs $10G's more that also has plenty of mod potential. On the other side you have a more raw power in a low budget packaging (neon) with great mod potential and a very high bang for buck ratio. Each suits their owners very well, and each has a least some respect for the other.

radduc
08-21-2006, 09:09 AM
How the hell do you get that 563 HP to the ground with a pick up?

srt-8-inferno
08-21-2006, 11:23 AM
Sand Bags???:)

radduc
08-21-2006, 12:42 PM
LOL,you would need alot of them!

ranwalk
08-21-2006, 01:48 PM
How the hell do you get that 563 HP to the ground with a pick up?
lol, it doesnt on street tires. Anything under 50mph is a smoke show.

goshawk23
08-21-2006, 05:19 PM
How the hell do you get that 563 HP to the ground with a pick up?



suspension work. dr's. i'm not making 563hp. more like 500 but i'll be close to that number in my truck soon. you don't go to the track with your street tires. i promise you that my 12/11 sec extended cab would be more like a 14/13 sec truck:D