I know that this is not the best forum to pose this question as it would be pretty biased :)

I am currently going back and forth deciding if I should sell my jeep and purchase a Cadillac cts-v.

My current situation is the following:
Recently got engaged and I know that my $$$ for mods is more or less going to be "limited" to say the least lol.

Jeep is currently just bolt ons / tune etc. I was planning on purchasing a Vortech SC but that has more or less been thrown out the window as pretty sure fiance would not really dig me dropping 6 grand on a SC+ install.

With selling the Jeep and getting this CTS-V , I would then be able to get a sleeper that I want that already has the go fast goodies I have always wanted on the Jeep.

I have my eye on a 2005 cts-v with Maggie SC / Kooks headers / Corsa catback / coilovers / GeForce rear axels ( anti wheelhop) / UUC shifter / rear diff bushings etc. The first generation V's had some issues with their rear diff but apparently this one has the latest generation diff plus aftermarket diff bushings , rear axels , etc.
RWHP was dyno'd @ 490. Low km , murdered out , very clean car.

My concerns are that the V will drop in value more so than the Jeep , the V would be my DD and not sure how it would handle winters up here , and may regret selling the Jeep for a car 2 years older.

On the other hand , I think I may go nucking futts driving a stock Jeep.

So.... keep the Jeep , suck it up and enjoy it for what it is , or sell it , put a couple of grand in my pocket and get a older but gnarly V with alot of goodies?


I would love to hear any opinions/stories from people who may have driven or owned a V or even raced V's to hear what they think of them.

Thanks in advance for your time.

Id stay with the jeep, most likely you wont get what you want in trade or sell for the jeep so take what you may lose on sale/trade and put it toward modding the jeep, put a magna charger, forged internals, built transmission and never look back.

I'm with Wade on this one ..

For the CTS-V lovers (like me) no hate here just my opinion, the new CTS-V might make me think differently also part of my reasoning is just having a different SUV than most, I'd be willing the bet the SRT Jeep would turn more heads in a crowd than the CTS-V just by it appearing different and I like that.

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JEEP All the way . An 05 CTS-V wont cut it even with the Meggie on it . My .2

Pics of the V.
I guess I will list the Jeep for what I want to get out of it.
If it sells , then great. If it does not , then I still have a great vehicle that I still enjoy.

Not sure about where you guys are from but seeing a V around is very rare here.
For whatever reason , I love rides that are rare or unique.
I will have to say that for looks a stock Jeep > stock gen 1 V.

JEEP All the way . An 05 CTS-V wont cut it even with the Meggie on it . My .2

On the strip the Jeep with bolt ons + good tune would be a handful for a maggied V ( going off of dragtime.com info) especially with my driving skills lol.

Just can't put down the HP to the ground good enough with the V and have yet to see many sub 2 second 60' times from a Maggied V without some serious $$ going into drivetrain upgrades. The V's trap good but launching them without exploding the diff is another issue.

RWD with a 6 speed and 500 RWHP would be fun in town though and roll racing etc.
Jeeps are beast from a dig as all of you already know but not that great from a roll.
V is more or less the opposite. I don't know what is is but something about the maggie whine added on with the rumble of a V8 with headers and exhaust on a 4 door Caddy is sexy as hell.

However after watching about 400 videos a day of vortech sc Jeeps ... I am VERY tempted to just say screw it and order up a Vortech and hide it from the fiance. I can picture it already what she would say:
"Whats that weird noise your Jeep is making , it sounds different? It seems faster than it used to be?"

Me: " Oh ya that , its nothing. I am using different gas , special fancy race gas..."

I've seen the new CTS-V at the track run low 12's high 11's they are no joke but Im not feeling those wheels too much going on I think the stock CTS-V wheels are sharp. Maybe a nice 10.5 wide deep dish rear and staggered 9.5 up front with some nice one piece forged aluminums would be better (style is opinionated)

You and I and most on here would notice a V easily but to the normal non car person they would not even take a second glance and shrug it off to just another caddy, however the SRT Jeep you can't help but notice how different it is.

http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50258


The exception to all of the above LOL

The 09+ second gen V's are unreal nice IMO.

I don't mind the looks of the first gen either.

The general public NOT knowing or thinking twice about a V is 1/2 the fun :)

I love the looks on peoples faces when they get owned by the Jeep , same would apply to the V if not more-so.

A 2nd gen V, yes, for a 1st gen V...no way.

I own a Vortech SRT8 and V1. That said, go with the V.

On the strip the Jeep with bolt ons + good tune would be a handful for a maggied V ( going off of dragtime.com info) especially with my driving skills lol.

Just can't put down the HP to the ground good enough with the V and have yet to see many sub 2 second 60' times from a Maggied V without some serious $$ going into drivetrain upgrades. The V's trap good but launching them without exploding the diff is another issue.

RWD with a 6 speed and 500 RWHP would be fun in town though and roll racing etc.
Jeeps are beast from a dig as all of you already know but not that great from a roll.
V is more or less the opposite. I don't know what is is but something about the maggie whine added on with the rumble of a V8 with headers and exhaust on a 4 door Caddy is sexy as hell.

However after watching about 400 videos a day of vortech sc Jeeps ... I am VERY tempted to just say screw it and order up a Vortech and hide it from the fiance. I can picture it already what she would say:
"Whats that weird noise your Jeep is making , it sounds different? It seems faster than it used to be?"

Me: " Oh ya that , its nothing. I am using different gas , special fancy race gas..."

Now you're talking :D

Had a V1, loved it. Such a fun car to drive, almost like a muscle in a tuxedo. Sold it to get a V2, however I ended up in an M5. My buddies V2 makes me wish I had waited longer.

As for the V1 GeForce rear axels that is huge. The wheelhop was bad and the interior is blah. The sat nav is the worst I've ever seen, I literally never bothered to use it after the day I bought it. Shifter was garbage. Got a ride in a Maggie V1, and to be honest it wasn't amazing, however top end just kept pulling.

Now I own a Jeep, which in it's own way is fun to drive and looks nice...and goes in the snow. The bottom end launching power is amazing but really shows it weight up top. And at the end of the day the two most important things to be don't exist with the Jeep, ability to track it and it's missing a third pedal.

If I could only have one....I would buy the V1 again. Clutch, raw rear wheel power, handles well, and it turned more heads than my Jeep.

My 09 V definitely breaks more necks than my 09 JeepSRT8, both are fast, but the CTSV is a beast

I love my Jeep. Esp after all the work I have done... packing the HP and torque I have now.... :o I'll race anything lol. Even if I lose, it will be close AND I can say I did it in a SUV. Now that to me is the definition of unique

09 up CTS-V all day , older ones just dont do nothing for me.

09 up CTS-V all day , older ones just dont do nothing for me.

What he said!!

Coming from someone who had an '04 V...

the Maggie whine from the Jeep aint too bad either ;)


my brother has an 09 CTS-v

its brutal once you get moving but gets squirrely off the line even by just thinking about it.



keep the Jeep. Get a blower, OR go head/cam for less loot. Or ask Wade to trade Jeeps:rolleyes:

Love the wheels had those on my old g35.

if it were a new cts-v i would say go with it but even though this one is clean, the jeep is still the way to go in my opinion!!!!

the Maggie whine from the Jeep aint too bad either ;)


my brother has an 09 CTS-v

its brutal once you get moving but gets squirrely off the line even by just thinking about it.

That was the biggest disappointment for me with the V.....so much so that it is soon to be gone. Not fun to lose money on the transaction, but this way I can begin to save for the new jeep.....and no longer lose to SmartCars off the line....LOL

That was the biggest disappointment for me with the V.....so much so that it is soon to be gone. Not fun to lose money on the transaction, but this way I can begin to save for the new jeep.....and no longer lose to SmartCars off the line....LOL

that really surprises me about your V. In mine--yes- if your floor it or even stab it hard- wheel spin and tire roast. But If you do it just right- it launches like a rocket. As I have said- I have a G-tech meter and have gotten 3.7-3.9 0-60 times. Granted- it takes practice and if you don't do it just right- you get a 4.2-4.3--but there are very few cars out there that can touch that- and mostly those are AWD cars like the cherokee SRT8 and my awd BMW, subaruus, etc..

I have had 2 Jeep SRT8's and going to pick up an '09 CTS-V tomorrow. Just knowing I can put a pulley, tune, intake, and exhaust and get close to 675hp+ just makes me drool! Honestly it's just two completely different animals. For around town stop light to stop light and in rain you can't beat the Jeep. I love seeing people's faces when it launches so hard in pouring down rain they just can't even believe it lol! Main reason I am going with V is I have a 16 month old baby and my Jeep honestly just rides too rough. I wanted something a bit more civilized haha! The wife thinks I am nuts! :)

So once I drive my V for a week I will get you another update as to if I made the right choice.

I know that this is not the best forum to pose this question as it would be pretty biased :)

I am currently going back and forth deciding if I should sell my jeep and purchase a Cadillac cts-v.

My current situation is the following:
Recently got engaged and I know that my $$$ for mods is more or less going to be "limited" to say the least lol.

Jeep is currently just bolt ons / tune etc. I was planning on purchasing a Vortech SC but that has more or less been thrown out the window as pretty sure fiance would not really dig me dropping 6 grand on a SC+ install.

With selling the Jeep and getting this CTS-V , I would then be able to get a sleeper that I want that already has the go fast goodies I have always wanted on the Jeep.

I have my eye on a 2005 cts-v with Maggie SC / Kooks headers / Corsa catback / coilovers / GeForce rear axels ( anti wheelhop) / UUC shifter / rear diff bushings etc. The first generation V's had some issues with their rear diff but apparently this one has the latest generation diff plus aftermarket diff bushings , rear axels , etc.
RWHP was dyno'd @ 490. Low km , murdered out , very clean car.

My concerns are that the V will drop in value more so than the Jeep , the V would be my DD and not sure how it would handle winters up here , and may regret selling the Jeep for a car 2 years older.

On the other hand , I think I may go nucking futts driving a stock Jeep.

So.... keep the Jeep , suck it up and enjoy it for what it is , or sell it , put a couple of grand in my pocket and get a older but gnarly V with alot of goodies?


I would love to hear any opinions/stories from people who may have driven or owned a V or even raced V's to hear what they think of them.

Thanks in advance for your time.

Keep SRT8
Get CTS-V
Don't get married

I have had 2 Jeep SRT8's and going to pick up an '09 CTS-V tomorrow. Just knowing I can put a pulley, tune, intake, and exhaust and get close to 675hp+ just makes me drool! Honestly it's just two completely different animals. For around town stop light to stop light and in rain you can't beat the Jeep. I love seeing people's faces when it launches so hard in pouring down rain they just can't even believe it lol! Main reason I am going with V is I have a 16 month old baby and my Jeep honestly just rides too rough. I wanted something a bit more civilized haha! The wife thinks I am nuts! :)

So once I drive my V for a week I will get you another update as to if I made the right choice.

Pulley, exhaust, tune, and airbox mod can get you 600rwhp. Look up Jesse at wait4meperformance.

Get a second job for Jeep mods!!! Good luck with whatever you decide.

Pulley, exhaust, tune, and airbox mod can get you 600rwhp. Look up Jesse at wait4meperformance.

And voids the 3yr/36k base and 5yr/100k powertrain warranties.

It is completely NOT WORTH modding the car until the warranty is over (same goes with the Z06 and ZR1). The small addition of power to an already lightning fast car is not worth the $$ layout should things go bad. Ask a Z06 owner how they like dishing out the $21k+ to fix their ride when the engine lets go because they have a tune. (LS7 problems are well documented on even stock cars, on the LS2/LS3/LS7/LS9/LSA the ECU logs changes in the tune so it is not like the Jeep SRT8 where you can reinstall the stock tune and get away with it)

And voids the 3yr/36k base and 5yr/100k powertrain warranties.

It is completely NOT WORTH modding the car until the warranty is over (same goes with the Z06 and ZR1). The small addition of power to an already lightning fast car is not worth the $$ layout should things go bad. Ask a Z06 owner how they like dishing out the $21k+ to fix their ride when the engine lets go because they have a tune. (LS7 problems are well documented on even stock cars, on the LS2/LS3/LS7/LS9/LSA the ECU logs changes in the tune so it is not like the Jeep SRT8 where you can reinstall the stock tune and get away with it)

Meh those Lsx motors are bullet proof. ;)

Jesse can tune your ECM, but he prefers to use a secondary unit that way if there was ever a question your stock ecm is sitting in your garage ready to swap. The pulley however... I think you have to break the factory pin or something to swap it out.

And voids the 3yr/36k base and 5yr/100k powertrain warranties.

It is completely NOT WORTH modding the car until the warranty is over (same goes with the Z06 and ZR1). The small addition of power to an already lightning fast car is not worth the $$ layout should things go bad. Ask a Z06 owner how they like dishing out the $21k+ to fix their ride when the engine lets go because they have a tune. (LS7 problems are well documented on even stock cars, on the LS2/LS3/LS7/LS9/LSA the ECU logs changes in the tune so it is not like the Jeep SRT8 where you can reinstall the stock tune and get away with it)

I have 7.0L 427ci LS shorblock engines for $5500 that can handle over 1000WHP.
If you have a blown up Vette, give me a call.

We have many Corvette, Camaro and CTS-Vs customers. The GM cars respond better than most cars to performance mods. You can run huge cams and they tune great.
They handle boost well- heck we just made 678WHP on a LS1 with just ARP studs and a turbo.- Pump gas, 93 octane.

The CTS-V is a GREAT CAR! The 2009+ are amazing and pick up over 100WHP if you just sneeze at it-LOL. I understand his question is not about the new CTS-V so:
A 2005 CTS-V is a great bargain. I cant think of 4 door car that is even half as cool for the money. Sure you will be traction limited from a dead stop, but so are nearly all other performance cars that you might be racing against.

You cant go wrong either way, but the Jeep will be much better in the snow if you live in that type of climate. The CTS-V will get much better MPG... Decisions, decisions-LOL

Meh those Lsx motors are bullet proof. ;)

Jesse can tune your ECM, but he prefers to use a secondary unit that way if there was ever a question your stock ecm is sitting in your garage ready to swap. The pulley however... I think you have to break the factory pin or something to swap it out.

The second ECM is the only way to go. GM has laid the hammer down on tuning the LSx engines, they caught on to how much it was happening. Then throw in the issue they were having in house with the LS7 and they took action...it was getting too expensive.

The second ECM is the only way to go. GM has laid the hammer down on tuning the LSx engines, they caught on to how much it was happening. Then throw in the issue they were having in house with the LS7 and they took action...it was getting too expensive.

No question I will get second ECM. The only thing is I heard the piggy back tuner (like our diablosport I guess) is the only way to get aggressive shifts, etc. b/c the TCM is separate. I wonder how that will work???

No question I will get second ECM. The only thing is I heard the piggy back tuner (like our diablosport I guess) is the only way to get aggressive shifts, etc. b/c the TCM is separate. I wonder how that will work???

Aggressive shifts come with the driver.


*please tell me you got a manual

Aggressive shifts come with the driver.


*please tell me you got a manual

First gen cts-v's only came with manuals.

First gen cts-v's only came with manuals.

Oh, I think I got mixed up with the other V threads and didn't realize he was talking about an '05.


Ask me how I know they only came in manuals...

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:D

First gen cts-v's only came with manuals.

But WebDiligence just bought an '09.



I was under the impression the TCM had to be tuned separately for different shift points/pressure. I recall with my '06 TBSS that I had to have the ECM and TCM sent in when I got my tune.

Iv said it before... Iv got both and the jeep blows the maggied ctsv out of the water... believe it or not but my fiance actually DDs my baby and I drive the v on the daily and I grab the the jeep every chance I can!

KEEP THE JEEP!

^Really? My V only has headers while the Jeep has a Vortech. The V is more fun. I do track it a lot though. No way the Jeep can keep up there.

I'm really enjoying this Jeep, but I'm a purest, give me a manual rwd car any day.

^Really? My V only has headers while the Jeep has a Vortech. The V is more fun. I do track it a lot though. No way the Jeep can keep up there.

Yea man I snag the Jeep any chance I can get. I love that monster! Dont get me wrong.. the V is an absolute monster.... no feeling like losing traction at 60+ :p and the pull of the maggie is incredible. But at the end of my day Ill stand by the Jeep. :D

^Have you tracked the V? On LS1tech or CadillacForums?

The Jeep is really one of the amazing and very beautifully designed vehicle..which every one loves to drive...and I have Rancho Jeep of 1945 which still looks amazing and drive very smoothly...I have recently purchased some of the accessories which offers the best accessories for jeeps and this really made my jeep look more amazing....

I hope your scrotum becomes infested by the fleas of a thousand camels. Go spam somewhere else.

Got him, but quoting him with his spam link doesn't do a whole lot of good.:D I killed the link.

Bernie

Toche'.

I should've known better. :o

OK, everyone has their own opinion so no worries. I have had 2 jeeps now since '06 and both have had exhaust, intake, diablosport w/ custom tunes, and nitrous. I think I can speak pretty well for both.

Yes sorry I did not realize this thread was about an '05' guess I got excited when I saw V and I just picked one up this past Tuesday (2009 so version 2 and yes they come w/ auto). I did my homework and even though my old 700+ hp C5 vette was 6 speed manual I realized that the track records were set with the auto CTS-V. Couple that with the fact that it is a 6 speed auto, good paddle shifters, and major traction issues I decided to go with auto. I know the 6-speed manual may be a bit more fun but I tell you with it in manual mode it feels as close to a 6-speed manual as you can get.

Now said that I will HONESTLY say the jeep is more fun in the department of just not worrying about traction wet or dry and seeing the look on people's faces when you launch! Priceless. BUT, as far as pure unadulterated in your face scary fun the V is the winner hands down. The earlier post is right you can't just nail it out the hole you feather it in (takes some learning) but no question it is as fast or faster to 60 than my jeep. When that sucker hooks (doesn't take long when driven right) it is unreal how hard it pulls. I am not kidding I don't remember my vette putting me in the seat this hard and I ran 6.8 102mph 1/8 miles (high 10 sec 1/4) with E/T streets. And when you are just cruising and floor it the downshift (especially into 1st) feels like you got hit from behind going from someone going 20 when you are stopped, no kidding. It almost feels like you break the rear out of the car it is so damn violent! I see how modded ones trigger on-star service thinking your car has been in a wreck now!

Finally the interior and fit and finish of the caddy is just amazing with leather stitched dash, accent lighting, and an 8" monitor that has more functions than I know what to do with. My jeep was lowered as well and even NOT lowered the ride of the caddy is just amazing compared (my 16 month old agrees) and the magnetic shocks in sport mode pull corners like on rails. I am not regretting my decision to trade the jeep one bit.

So conclusion is they both are fun in each their own way. Honestly two separate animals to me and in different departments.

No question I will get second ECM. The only thing is I heard the piggy back tuner (like our diablosport I guess) is the only way to get aggressive shifts, etc. b/c the TCM is separate. I wonder how that will work???

Found out that the custom tunes with the piggyback controller do not leave footprints on the ECM and can't be tracked. So the piggyback controller w/ custom tunes are the way to go b/c you get TCM modifications as well. This applies to '09+ not sure about version 1 years but with a manual only option you would not need the TCM mods anyway so second ECM would be safe choice.

Found out that the custom tunes with the piggyback controller do not leave footprints on the ECM and can't be tracked. So the piggyback controller w/ custom tunes are the way to go b/c you get TCM modifications as well. This applies to '09+ not sure about version 1 years but with a manual only option you would not need the TCM mods anyway so second ECM would be safe choice.

My buddy went with the D3 piggyback tune and was pretty happy with it.


But he was a man and got a manual. :p

So.... keep the Jeep , suck it up and enjoy it for what it is , or sell it , put a couple of grand in my pocket and get a older but gnarly V with alot of goodies?

I would love to hear any opinions/stories from people who may have driven or owned a V or even raced V's to hear what they think of them.

Thanks in advance for your time.

There's more to a vehicle than power... and if I were you, I'd go rent one first and take it for a long drive... long, like 300 or 400 miles (six hours) without resting.

I don't know what kind of seats are in a CTS-V ... if they're anything like a 2011 STS then I would pass on the Cadillac. These are supposed to be luxury vehicles and from my experience last week, the new STS Cadillac has the worst seat comfort since my park-bench like 2005 Toyota Land Cruiser.

I drove a STS Cadillac to Monterey and could never get comfortable... the return trip through Carmel, 17 mile drive and down Highway 1, was terrible. I wasn't the only one complaining.

The 2011 Chevrolet Impala is more comfortable on a long trip......

In my 2010 Jeep... it's a little rough at times depending on road conditions, but I can drive my SRT from SoCal to San Francisco and back, and not have any aches or pains upon my arrival.

Good luck with your decision.

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There's more to a vehicle than power... and if I were you, I'd go rent one first and take it for a long drive... long, like 300 or 400 miles (six hours) without resting.

I don't know what kind of seats are in a CTS-V ... if they're anything like a 2011 STS then I would pass on the Cadillac. These are supposed to be luxury vehicles and from my experience last week, the new STS Cadillac has the worst seat comfort since my park-bench like 2005 Toyota Land Cruiser.

I drove a STS Cadillac to Monterey and could never get comfortable... the return trip through Carmel, 17 mile drive and down Highway 1, was terrible. I wasn't the only one complaining.

The 2011 Chevrolet Impala is more comfortable on a long trip......

In my 2010 Jeep... it's a little rough at times depending on road conditions, but I can drive my SRT from SoCal to San Francisco and back, and not have any aches or pains upon my arrival.

Good luck with your decision.

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BadDoc you got me there bro! :D


As for seats I can only comment on '09+ Recaro option (I believe around a $3k option so not cheap). They are VERY comfortable (not like a waterbed) but sport comfortable. 14 way adjustable and literally hug you perfectly. The lumbar is controlled via an air compressor which feels different than all other lumbar power adjustments I have sat in. Sounds like you are pumping a tire up when adjusting lol! Seats are also ventilated and heated which is very nice. The ventilated option really works quite well I can feel it more than my '06 BMW 750Li which was a bit surprising. It has microfiber in the center sections which feels so much nicer than all leather.

http://carguideblog.com/wp-content/uploads/Cadillac-Recaro-performance-seat-1.jpg

Here is a link with more info: http://carguideblog.com/2667/gms-offering-recaro-performance-seats/

:P

Just remember the fastest V around the Ring was an automatic. :)

This really speaks for itself....
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