I hate to beat this thing to death BUT I just knew my Jeep was much faster than before the B&G flash was installed. It wasnt my imagination. I wont know until Friday afternoon if my dyno numbers are improved from my last visit to Harmanmotive's DynoJet dyno.

I do know that my very best time with fair weather at Irwindale was 8.46 @ 81mph and generally it is a consistent 8.56-8.67 @ 81.1-82.08mph......thats it......actually fast for a track that the average DA is 1800-2000ft above sea level.

Well tonight with a DA of 1918 ft........my first run with the B&G......factory traction control engaged......just like I would run it on the street....8.36@ 83.05:eek: .......that cant be right......next back up run 8.2@ 83.58:eek: :eek: :eek: that run I disengaged the traction control at the factory dash button. Next run is up against an 07 Vette, so I disconnect the traction 100% using the GSM button....8.4@83.27.....I beat the Vette but wheel spun thru the lights (he ran a 8.8@85).

In summary the B&G is NOT a fluke.......it works! It was worth to my vehicle 2/10-3/10 and a 2 mph gain. This is the identical gain seen by Running9's last month at Irwindale with just switching to the B&G flash. I rode in the GSM blown Jeep 2weeks ago before Scott got my ECU and talk about a VAST improvement......actually it scared me a bit or his driving did..LOL!

B&G has made me a believer!

The DA for the night was 1,918' above sea level....with DA correction the time is actually 8.1@85.59....1/4 mile is converted to 12.64......hhhhhmmmm looks like those East Coast performance times to me!:eek:

General,
After my install of the B&G stage II earlier this week, I predicted it would be worth a tenth or two. Again, not sure if it would show up on the dyno, but, not hitting the rev limiter and the new torque management have made my Hemi an absolute joy to drive.
Best mods IMO:
170* thermostat with fan switch
B&G Stage II
Converter.
Some type of Posi unit....not spinning has to be worth a tenth or so!Great results Steve!
Bill

Awesome news Steve, when you told me it on the phone last nite I wanted to go and find a 1/4 mile and start Dashhawking mine!

Great times my friend!

This is great, Money well spent!!! Its just more confirmation for what we thought!!!

GOOD JOB & NICE TIMES GC!!!!

....great General!

I would have loved seeing the face on that Vette owner, especially with you not hooking at the beginning!

I hate to beat this thing to death BUT I just knew my Jeep was much faster than before the B&G flash was installed. It wasnt my imagination. I wont know until Friday afternoon if my dyno numbers are improved from my last visit to Harmanmotive's DynoJet dyno.

I do know that my very best time with fair weather at Irwindale was 8.46 @ 81mph and generally it is a consistent 8.56-8.67 @ 81.1-82.08mph......thats it......actually fast for a track that the average DA is 1800-2000ft above sea level.

Well tonight with a DA of 1918 ft........my first run with the B&G......factory traction control engaged......just like I would run it on the street....8.36@ 83.05:eek: .......that cant be right......next back up run 8.2@ 83.58:eek: :eek: :eek: that run I disengaged the traction control at the factory dash button. Next run is up against an 07 Vette, so I disconnect the traction 100% using the GSM button....8.4@83.27.....I beat the Vette but wheel spun thru the lights (he ran a 8.8@85).

In summary the B&G is NOT a fluke.......it works! It was worth to my vehicle 2/10-3/10 and a 2 mph gain. This is the identical gain seen by Running9's last month at Irwindale with just switching to the B&G flash. I rode in the GSM blown Jeep 2weeks ago before Scott got my ECU and talk about a VAST improvement......actually it scared me a bit or his driving did..LOL!

B&G has made me a believer!

The DA for the night was 1,918' above sea level....with DA correction the time is actually 8.1@85.59....1/4 mile is converted to 12.64......hhhhhmmmm looks like those East Coast performance times to me!:eek:

Good solid runs Steve. Appreciate the feedback. Question; was the only mod since your last run the B&G flash? What were you 60 foot times before and after?

Just wondering.

Thanks

Keep in mind these are only 1/8th mile gains, there's a good chance the full 1320' will allow for even better traps/times. Once again, thanks for stepping up Steve.

I would have loved seeing the face on that Vette owner, especially with you not hooking at the beginning!


forget the vette owner you should have seen the face of the elder man standing next to me saying what the hell? lol that was the funniest thing ever. Well nice seeing you again Sarge good times. My last run I hit an 8.44 again so looks like we both went home happy.

I Cant wait till next weekend Mopar West Coast nationals at California speed way, I know Steve is going to be there as well as a lot of the fastest SRT-8's.

California is not the best track but the weather has been mild so we should see some great times for a Cali track



Scott
GS Motorsports

California is not the best track but the weather has been mild so we should see some great times for a Cali track

That's a fact.

Would love to be able to run Pomona, like the old days, but Super-Chevy wouldn't like a bunch Mopar's raining on SBC's and BBC's which, other than the (2) National events and Frank Hawley, that's "about" the only action Pomona sees nowadays :D :D

Good solid runs Steve. Appreciate the feedback. Question; was the only mod since your last run the B&G flash? What were you 60 foot times before and after?

Just wondering.

Thanks

No other mods.....just the B&G.

previous 60' times were 1.921-1.954

B&G 60' times 1.836 & 1.862......worst last night was 1.913

No other mods.....just the B&G.

previous 60' times were 1.921-1.954

B&G 60' times 1.836 & 1.862......worst last night was 1.913


Hey Steve my 60' time on my last run was a 1.805 why is this? I told you about my mph being constant 80 but this run was 81.11 . All three runs were at 81.xx mph but my last run I just turned off the factory traction like you told me to try and I got my best time. I felt it at the launch hook up and had no wheel spin. Thanks for all the advice.

Hey Steve my 60' time on my last run was a 1.805 why is this? I told you about my mph being constant 80 but this run was 81.11 . All three runs were at 81.xx mph but my last run I just turned off the factory traction like you told me to try and I got my best time. I felt it at the launch hook up and had no wheel spin. Thanks for all the advice.


Just a WAG, Michelins vs. Goodyears?

...1.77 motor, first visit to track 752 miles, ABS fuse pulled.

With the 75nos shot 1.67 with ABS fuse pulled.

...1.77 motor, first visit to track 752 miles, ABS fuse pulled.

With the 75nos shot 1.67 with ABS fuse pulled.
Good 60' times...must be hitting the juice after launch. I believe you are on the ragged edge of traction Cobra.
Best!
Bill

general - had you had the dealer perform the TCM flash TSB on your 06 prior to installing the B&G.

Just trying to make sure that the B&G is a step up from the factory reflash.

Thanks

Just a WAG, Michelins vs. Goodyears?

I'm thinking.......... I dont like the stall converter!

I cant part at this time with the Michelins!

general - had you had the dealer perform the TCM flash TSB on your 06 prior to installing the B&G.

Just trying to make sure that the B&G is a step up from the factory reflash.

Thanks

I have the GSM Trans reflash.......I had the factory and did not care for the 5800 rpm 1-2 gear shift.......I did like the auto shift....which I no longer have.

I'm thinking.......... I dont like the stall converter!

I cant part at this time with the Michelins!

Ah, forgot about that. I'm probably going with the Michelin's in a few k as well.

It's good to see some track times posted after this upgrade! :)

Tom

Ah, forgot about that. I'm probably going with the Michelin's in a few k as well.

When you put them on (Michelins) the change in ride and handling is as dramatic as the B&G install.

I'm actually considering putting the stock converter back in......I did not see any improvement.......as a matter of fact I think the fact that it breaks traction easier causes the T/C to take over a bit more, hurting initial launch.

When you put them on (Michelins) the change in ride and handling is as dramatic as the B&G install.

I'm actually considering putting the stock converter back in......I did not see any improvement.......as a matter of fact I think the fact that it breaks traction easier causes the T/C to take over a bit more, hurting initial launch.
The T/C did hurt my 60' time due to the 2 wheel diagonal peel. For the labor cost, I'm not sure I would remove it General. I'm taking the other approach and working to resolve the 2 wheel diagonal peel.

I may go with the Michelins when I need new rubber.
Bill

Steve my 1/8 numbers were 8.062 @ 86.79 MPH

Steve my 1/8 numbers were 8.062 @ 86.79 MPH

On what day and time? I would like to convert mine to your DA. My 1/8 mile time is at a +2000..........English Town this weekend was at a sick -200 to -500 depending on morning or evening.

On what day and time? I would like to convert mine to your DA. My 1/8 mile time is at a +2000..........English Town this weekend was at a sick -200 to -500 depending on morning or evening.

I must be calculating something wrong here dammit!

generallyconfused - You have a TCM reprogram also correct? I know you probably haven't seen how shift management & torquemanagement tables look or function. Let alone have experience with PCM table calibrations etc, so I will say this. It appears that your recalibrated TCM has torque management removed and you are feeling some awesome shifts, etc because now you have 'full' timing at WOT on shifts... right? Tell you what, if these DCX PCM's/TCMs are anything like others and how TM is dealt with, then the gains you are probably seeing are gains from the system being now able to use the full power throughout the run. Do this next time you are at the track, run the reprogrammed TCM (they are seperate modules like other manufactures right and not PCM/TCM unit?) and the reprogrammed PCM. Then put in your stock PCM and fun the stock pcm and reprogrammed TCM combo and see what happens. ;) Better yet, if you run the reprogrammed PCM and stock TCM, your 'improved' times should remain right?... do you wanna guess what I think will happen? ;)

generallyconfused......now why was it necessary for you to start out that way with me??? Already tells me your on the attack.

I know you probably haven't seen how shift management & torquemanagement tables look or function. Let alone have experience with PCM table calibrations etc, so I will say this. It appears that your recalibrated TCM has torque management removed and you are feeling some awesome shifts, etc because now you have 'full' timing at WOT on shifts... right?

How arrogant of you to assume this. I have in fact written and modified MAPS for fuel injected systems. The main "tuning" MAPS or CELLS deal with throttle postion or load/RPM. Within each cell you modify the factor for timing or fuel, additionally if changing injector size, you adjust another table for pulse......all of this done on a dyno to prove results......then the street......all this can take 6hrs to a few days.......... References upon request.

Tell you what, if these DCX PCM's/TCMs are anything like others and how TM is dealt with, then the gains you are probably seeing are gains from the system being now able to use the full power throughout the run.

What????....did you read one of my threads to figure that out???? What I am seeing is 87% throttle opening during shifts rather that 50% and 17 degrees of timing plus base rather than 4 plus base right at each shift point.......so what is your point, I stated this on this site and the OC site. This was based on testing my Jeep and Running9's Jeep as well.......this was posted and talked about last month. You had to have read my post and didnt know it so now your repeating it back.

Do this next time you are at the track, run the reprogrammed TCM and the reprogrammed PCM. Then put in your stock PCM and fun the stock pcm and reprogrammed TCM combo and see what happens.

I have performed this and posted it as well. It still was not even as dramatic of a change as compared to the B&G. The reprogrammmed TCM worked better than stock, but the B&G was far superior. That was done at the track and with Scott at GSM. Even Scott raved over the difference B&G made on his S/C Jeep.

So what is your point?

Better yet, if you run the reprogrammed PCM and stock TCM, your 'improved' times should remain right?... do you wanna guess what I think will happen?

TELL ME!!!!!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

Now do you have anything really to add for us and the brethren here ......or are you trying to hijack this thread and be a troll.

With a name like "HEMI ETR", what should we expect?

Now do you have anything really to add for us and the brethren here ......or are you trying to hijack this thread and be a troll.

You do realize that most likely, after harping on you in the IAT thread, he then looked through your past posts to dig up this week old thread just so he could harp on you again, right?

generallyconfused - You have a TCM reprogram also correct? I know you probably haven't seen how shift management & torquemanagement tables look or function. Let alone have experience with PCM table calibrations etc, so I will say this. It appears that your recalibrated TCM has torque management removed and you are feeling some awesome shifts, etc because now you have 'full' timing at WOT on shifts... right? Tell you what, if these DCX PCM's/TCMs are anything like others and how TM is dealt with, then the gains you are probably seeing are gains from the system being now able to use the full power throughout the run. Do this next time you are at the track, run the reprogrammed TCM (they are seperate modules like other manufactures right and not PCM/TCM unit?) and the reprogrammed PCM. Then put in your stock PCM and fun the stock pcm and reprogrammed TCM combo and see what happens. ;) Better yet, if you run the reprogrammed PCM and stock TCM, your 'improved' times should remain right?... do you wanna guess what I think will happen? ;)

Man I don't know, but to start your post with "Generallyconfused", already (to me) kind of puts you in the putz category. You may be brilliant, and a TCM/PCM/PMS guru for all I know, but your attitude and apparent self importance, leaves a lot to be desired.

GC has approx. 335 posts here and has self tested many items at his own expense, diligently reported his findings, and contributed vastly to all the members of this forum on numerous subjects.

You with 8 posts jump in with both feet.... and after reading all 8, I don't see that you have actually contributed much. Hell, there's only 8. Take "two minutes", read them back yourself, and see what you think. I realize numbers alone don't mean much, but content does.

Further, to assume GC "probably" hasn't seen how shift/torque management tables look or function is a big mistake. I suggest you take some time to read through GC's posts, experiences, and creds before you "assume" too much more.

Admittedly, just mho, but I stand by it. Oh yeah, and welcome to the forum :D

You do realize that most likely, after harping on you in the IAT thread, he then looked through your past posts to dig up this week old thread just so he could harp on you again, right?


Ooohhhh yeaaaa.....:D

You don't have to drive our rigs to get respect here, but first impressions are EVERYTHING.:rolleyes: Next time you try knocking someones intelligence, why don't you look in the mirror?