So to keep the newbies and our fellow veterans of what out there is a waste, how much it was, who it was from, and if you could do it over what would you do differently....post up!

I'll go first!

Clear bra $600 installed by local paint shop called Randy's custom autobody

Waste of money because the day I took it off my paint had deep lines in it....

If I could do it again I'd just get a repaint which would be cheaper anyways after a years time

Just be honest....don't worry about retaliation...no worries

As a total newbie, Jet Stage 2 Power Control Module $299. Nothing really as far as performance gains (despite their claims), however it did dramatically improve my gas mileage :eek:. If that is all you are looking for is better gas mileage, I still have it, send me a PM :D

The Thermalnator 6.1L Hemi intake manifold spacer. After putting it on and 3 months later replacing with new ported intake it started leaking. I was down one day awaiting factory gasket. Oh and spent $104.99.

Sprint Booster for me. Bought it from Performance Auto Werks and paid 305 shipped to my door. Luckily I was able to return it with a 20% restocking fee though. If I would have kept it it would have been hard to sell today.

MHP Tune---- Basura --Paid 150.00 and ran like my 93 CAI Canned tune at the track.

The Thermalnator 6.1L Hemi intake manifold spacer. After putting it on and 3 months later replacing with new ported intake it started leaking. I was down one day awaiting factory gasket. Oh and spent $104.99.

Yeah I remember Sarge mentioning this exact thing Louis. So are you still running the stock gaskets or a different brand of aftermarket gaskets to eliminated heat soak on the Intake Manny?

The Thermalnator 6.1L Hemi intake manifold spacer. After putting it on and 3 months later replacing with new ported intake it started leaking. I was down one day awaiting factory gasket. Oh and spent $104.99.

Yeah I remember Sarge mentioning this exact thing Louis. So are you still running the stock gaskets or a different brand of aftermarket gaskets to eliminated heat soak on the Intake Manny? Is that problem you described just with this Thermalator Brand or others as well?

Blackberry Storm. I hate it, I think I paid $300 when they first came out.

Clear bra also, except mine cost more. :(

RDP tune!!! At the time didn't have a wideband installed, Installed one 3 months later and jeep was running a 13.5 A/F. Called steve, "thats what its supposed to be mate" lol. the tune cost me $475 and that was just a tune, no dyno tune or anything.. Didnt even offer to fix it!

^Holy ****. :eek:

"Thats what its supposed to be" WOW.

The Thermalnator 6.1L Hemi intake manifold spacer. After putting it on and 3 months later replacing with new ported intake it started leaking. I was down one day awaiting factory gasket. Oh and spent $104.99.

I heard that the Thermalnators are a one time deal. Once they are on, if you take the intake off they will most certainly leak if you don't get new ones or something different before you try to put the intake back on.

Eric

^Holy ****. :eek:

"Thats what its supposed to be" WOW.

I even emailed him to video to show him how it was running with his tune.. Notice all the white smoke? I thought i blew my head gasket on this run cause of his bull$hit tune.. never replied to the email
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EztaZ7oTmAA&feature=player_profilepage&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2Fjpeyatt 19%23p%2Fu%2F5%2FEztaZ7oTmAA

I even emailed him to video to show him how it was running with his tune.. Notice all the white smoke? I thought i blew my head gasket on this run cause of his bull tune.. never replied to the email
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EztaZ7oTmAA&feature=player_profilepage&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2Fjpeyatt 19%23p%2Fu%2F5%2FEztaZ7oTmAA

Holly smokes!!! Damn you were running leaner then a mother bro:eek:

I heard that the Thermalnators are a one time deal. Once they are on, if you take the intake off they will most certainly leak if you don't get new ones or something different before you try to put the intake back on.

Eric

Interesting info. Doesn't make sense that some people are running them and other aren't. Although that would be expensive to replace at 100.00 everytime you had to take the intake manny off.

Factory Stock.

Thanks Louis!


Nah Jose, thats normal mate :roller:

Where do I get a Bad A$$ tune like that for my Rig:D Hehehehe

Yeah I remember Sarge mentioning this exact thing Louis. So are you still running the stock gaskets or a different brand of aftermarket gaskets to eliminated heat soak on the Intake Manny?

Factory Stock.

I even emailed him to video to show him how it was running with his tune.. Notice all the white smoke? I thought i blew my head gasket on this run cause of his bull tune.. never replied to the email
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EztaZ7oTmAA&feature=player_profilepage&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2Fjpeyatt 19%23p%2Fu%2F5%2FEztaZ7oTmAA

Damn man. That's just insane.

Holly smokes!!! Damn you were running leaner then a mother bro:eek:

Nah Jose, thats normal mate :roller:

Guess I'm Golden , No regrets so far here .

I even emailed him to video to show him how it was running with his tune.. Notice all the white smoke? I thought i blew my head gasket on this run cause of his bull tune.. never replied to the email
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EztaZ7oTmAA&feature=player_profilepage&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2Fjpeyatt 19%23p%2Fu%2F5%2FEztaZ7oTmAA

OMG! That looked like the first time my Z blew a head gasket on a 250 shot!

OMG! That looked like the first time my Z blew a head gasket on a 250 shot!

Yeah, i thought for sure it was F'd after seeing that video when i got home from the track.. No1 at the track even told me about the white smoke.. Good thing it was my last run for the day. Luckily there was nothing wrong, it was just the BS RDP tune..

Paid $1500 to AAC for a new set of painted headlights with 8000k Halo rings and a new set of fogs with the same Temp Halos :eek: :eek: :eek:
Price is too damn high for this S***, but thats not the only issue.
2 weeks later 2 of the damn halo rings got burned and it took them about 2 moths to fix'em for me !!
+ they have a S****y service on the phone, they aren't that nice !!!

If i get another chance i WOULD NEVER BUY IT FROM THEM !! or anyone else lol
And would not pay half the damn price for that S***

Sorry for the language but it brought me back to this bad memory haha but its all good ... LIFE LESSONS :mad:

Wow! That's crazy.

A lot of post whoring for nothing guys....let's keep it on topic and provide what was asked....


Knuckles you have like 10 posts in here already...WTF stop being a Vinny man

A lot of post whoring for nothing guys....let's keep it on topic and provide what was asked....


Knuckles you have like 10 posts in here already...WTF stop being a Vinny man

My bad homie.

Jet chip waste of 100 dollars

Wow this could be a useful and/or dangerous thread - depending in what direction this goes.... :indifferent:

First two things that come to mind are my (1) MSD coils and (2) the black braided hoses I used to have for my catch can. Definitely wouldn't recommend either....

Live and learn.... I guess. :mad:
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Methanol kit. I decided not to go that direction and don't want to blow it in my techco. I have two control units, a reservoir and a pump for cheap. Set up is about $300, extra control unit was another $100 or so. Any takers any reasonable offers - would entertain in proper forum, F/S of course....:D might be good for a turbo or centri person or a twin screw person who doesn't mind spraying their lobes.

Got some stainless brake lines from ^%#$&^%*&^, the last four they had, not a complete set, but two and then two more of the same kind. They sent me the wrong ones, tried to get the locator tabs corrected and they just shaved them off completely! That was the last thing I ever got from them. I mention them with the meth kit because they come close to tying in cost, though the meth worked as it is supposed to.

My "old" catch can w/heater hose that sucked shut, I later fixed with fuel line but it should have never came that way.

Also the fastman ported throttle body on my last jeep. No improvement in et and it made the jeep idle horrible, stall at times, and throw codes. It did feel as though it added throttle response which was the only positive but not for the money it cost ($275). :(

1) MSD coils, at almost $500 for the set from Summitracing, total waste of cashola!

2) TCM tune: Big money ($1000), plus 2 extra TCM's at $200 a piece, plus $80 to VIN sync at the dealer x 2, plus overnight shipping at $40 x 2 (That's $1640 total) for little gains when making big power already, just spun worse, and a total pain in the arse to change out every time you change/modify PCM. If you have a stock or lightly modded Jeep, this may be of benefit. NOTE: I no longer run a modified TCM and I DID receive some money back!

3) Modern-Muscle 85mm ported throttle body. Complete waste of money. If you are stock or lightly modded, no need for any throttle body. If you have a stroker or FI JEEP, just get the Arrington 90mm and call it a day. And you don't need the billet one, cast is just fine at 1/2 the cost.

4) Still waivering on the $350, BWOODY lowering springs! At the price we pay, these springs shouldn't bottom out! It's like they didn"t do the proper R&D before they put them into production. They do make the Jeep look better lowered, just not great in performance.

5) Uhh...that's it for now...

Muellge, surprised you didn't like the methanol! I just finished installing my Labonte Kit and love it! My EGT's dropped 100-120 degrees at WOT. I will be going to Mr. Norm's in Rockford IL. this weekend for dyno tuning. Also, I will only be tuning for meth on my track tune which is a 100 octane tune with 3 degrees added timing. I am leaving my street tune as is, just a tad, tad, tad leaner, and mainly using the meth for cooling on my street tune.

My Elite Engineering catch can came with the same heater hose as described above. Luckily I stumbled across a thread where I believe Sarge suggested swapping them out for fuel hose. Works fine now but they were sucking shut up until the change.

that cf hood i bought for about 1200$ haha jk:D, the hood is my favorite mod for sure and im still kicking myself over not buying to rear-step when i had the chance.

On a serious note, i would say the sprintbooster for 300$, its kind of a fun worthless mod but with a good tune there is no need for it.

1. Front and rear differentials.......$9200
Money returned but the 5k in shipping and installs still stings. Extra 2,000miles put on vehicle after I got it back.

2. HD Transfercase.......$2,500
No such thing. Any off road or tranny shop can rebuild them for $300-$500.

3.Clear Bra.......$600.00...screwed up the paint

4.RDP Tune...$650....what was i thinking??????

5.Nitto INVO Tires......$1,000....great ride.....crappy traction

6.Thermalators.....they dont work and dont match the port.

7.GSM CAI......what was I thinking??? $300

8.GSM phenolic spacers......what was i thinking??? 119.00



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Xenon Depot HID kits...Waste of time and money

Tinted front fog lights...waste...couldn't see any light coming thru them

What about axles?????I haven't seen any improvements from anyone running the different axle?????

So far, a few yards of Neffy Wrap - $40?

But I've had the benefit of learning from other members so I consider myself lucky.

1. GSM 2wd switch. $99 dollars and transfer case.

2. B & G TCM 900. After a long time i asked for 600 and got it!!

3. RDP tune 475 for a couple of modifications to my HHP tune.

4. Brake duct mod. just a bad tar eating water sucking idea!!

Now you guys no why i still have 2 mods lol and i do owe a lot to STEVE as he schooled me on this new breed stuff as its way diff than the 50/60/70 stuff i grew up with. 2 MODS AND 5190 LBS AND IT RUNS GREAT.

My crap tune by a local shop here in Houston...$450.
Had the Jeep dyno tuned at a shop after my cam was installed (two separate shops) and I ended up with 360whp and very bad drivability issues.

My crap tune by a local shop here in Houston...$450.
Had the Jeep dyno tuned at a shop after my cam was installed (two separate shops) and I ended up with 360whp and very bad drivability issues.

what shop so i know to stay away?

Nobody can top my threads lol

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that cf hood i bought for about 1200$ haha jk:D, the hood is my favorite mod for sure and im still kicking myself over not buying to rear-step when i had the chance.

On a serious note, i would say the sprintbooster for 300$, its kind of a fun worthless mod but with a good tune there is no need for it.

The rear step is available through BWoody. Just ordered one on Friday :D

Muellge, surprised you didn't like the methanol! I just finished installing my Labonte Kit and love it! My EGT's dropped 100-120 degrees at WOT. I will be going to Mr. Norm's in Rockford IL. this weekend for dyno tuning. Also, I will only be tuning for meth on my track tune which is a 100 octane tune with 3 degrees added timing. I am leaving my street tune as is, just a tad, tad, tad leaner, and mainly using the meth for cooling on my street tune.

It worked, I just did not install a nozzle it in to the techco. intake is cast and techco lobes not readily available if they happen to corrode from the meth. I've read lots of both on possibilites and the lobes are coated, but just playing it safe, although I guess by not spraying it I am less safe...:confused:

Smart to keep the street tune the same. Track only meth you can control and know that you've got it on board. Running out won't kill you on the road.

It worked, I just did not install a nozzle it in to the techco. intake is cast and techco lobes not readily available if they happen to corrode from the meth. I've read lots of both on possibilites and the lobes are coated, but just playing it safe, although I guess by not spraying it I am less safe...:confused:

Smart to keep the street tune the same. Track only meth you can control and know that you've got it on board. Running otu won't kill you on the road.

Cool! I figure, if my blower goes south due to the meth, I'll have a reason to go Twin Turbo!

As a total newbie, Jet Stage 2 Power Control Module $299. Nothing really as far as performance gains (despite their claims), however it did dramatically improve my gas mileage :eek:. If that is all you are looking for is better gas mileage, I still have it, send me a PM :D

Hey,

I would not mind getting a better gas mileage in my jeep. What kind of improvement did you see? Did the Jet Stage 2 Power Control Module actually decrease performance? I mean - better gas mileage had to come from somewhere?


Eugene

Hey,

I would not mind getting a better gas mileage in my jeep. What kind of improvement did you see? Did the Jet Stage 2 Power Control Module actually decrease performance? I mean - better gas mileage had to come from somewhere?


Eugene


Why not PM him like he says in his post???

This thread is not for discussion of jet chips

Geez people :mad:

hats off to sarge, straight poop, no b/s.

Why not PM him like he says in his post???

This thread is not for discussion of jet chips

Geez people :mad:

I actually meant to PM and hit the wrong button.

402 Motoring 3 pod pillar $250

Damn thing didn't even fit correctly...

$85 for Magnaflow X-Pipe plus the Franklin to have it installed. LOUD but as others have noted it seems we trade that crazy sound for a little power. Deff the noob here, so hopefully will learn to do some research before stepping off into the deep ends of mods.

Guess I'm good too, learned a lot from all yous guys, that's why I'm on the board. I think any noobs should get the most satisfaction/bang for the buck by sticking to the 3-4 basic mods of CAI, catch can, tstat and tune.

I did almost buy an 85mm TB for a couple hundred and thought about porting, but did some research and realized it wouldn't do anything for me with my minor mods.

No regrets for me. I've learned so much from you guys, & for this I'm so thankful. Mine is a little over a week old, so I've stuck to the basics. After the 180* t-stat (that will be here tomorrow), I'm going to enjoy her for awhile and put some miles on.

The Lx forum guys are eating up this thread as well!

One guy got burned for $14k by AAC

DAMN!!!

hats off to sarge, straight poop, no b/s.

.......+1

The Lx forum guys are eating up this thread as well!

One guy got burned for $14k by AAC

DAMN!!!


Shows that too many people in the hemi world have been burned as the market is still young and the customer gets sh*t on in the learning process. :(

Interior LED's from a company I can no longer remember cuz they suck ballz. Ended up getting everything again from V-leds and they are awesome.

The Lx forum guys are eating up this thread as well!

One guy got burned for $14k by AAC

DAMN!!!

Glad i wasnt the only one :p

But seriously AAC screwed too many ppl over !!!!!

The Lx forum guys are eating up this thread as well!

One guy got burned for $14k by AAC

DAMN!!!

WHAT WHAT WHAT! :eek:

Interior LED's from a company I can no longer remember cuz they suck ballz. Ended up getting everything again from V-leds and they are awesome.

Marcel with Total Lighting Solutions...

that little punk 18 year old screwed a lot of us over....except me :p

Where are you Winston?

Guess I'm Golden , No regrets so far here .

I'd have to agree. Maybe a little setback with my bwoody springs, but it wasn't the springs fault, the damn roads here.

Maybe my FG Medic hood, I only got $1400 for it. :cool:

Spent $300 at the dealer change rear spring isolators to fix the squeak it had when I bought it.

Picked it up and the f-ing thing squeaked all the way home. Did 5 mins of research on the forum and fixed it myself with a $5 can of grease for the Bwoody links!

Marcel with Total Lighting Solutions...

that little punk 18 year old screwed a lot of us over....except me :p

LOL yeah that's it! Paul's got an awesome memory.....

The bulbs I got from him burned out and overheated!! :O

BUT to his credit, he took them back and gave me equal value and sent me a billet antennae (the famous short one). So I got out ok.

1. Front and rear differentials.......$9200
Money returned ($8100.00) but the 5k in shipping and installs still stings. Plus extra 2,000miles put on vehicle after I got it back.

2. HD Transfercase.......$2,500
No such thing. Any off road or tranny shop can rebuild them for $300-$500.

3.Clear Bra.......$600.00...screwed up the paint

4.RDP Tune...$650....what was i thinking??????

5.Nitto INVO Tires......$1,000....great ride.....crappy traction

6.Thermalators.....they dont work and dont match the port.

7.GSM CAI......what was I thinking??? $300

8.GSM phenolic spacers......garbage...what was i thinking??? 119.00

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Oh yea.....i got more

9. Having BuilderBills Hillbilly Automotive Group, coffee can mechanic install my ProTorque converter and flexplate. Not only did I get charged too much for the parts, he should return my labor money. I pulled the engine this weekend and I had four bolts securing the engine. All four were crossthreaded, one has a nut on it so it didnt go in all the way. Thats hillbilly for I stripped it but this should work. One other was backed out all the way. So in reality I had two cross threaded bolts securing my engine and bell housing. Nice......especially running down the track at 119mph!!

10. Having the Hillbilly Automotive Group install my new PT converter (all scratched up mind you) with stripped allen head bolts. We had to chisel and vice grip them off!!

To think.....I got charged another $350.00 for that. Good thing I decided to pull the engine. If I was killed I wouldnt have been able to write about it!!:eek:


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okay.............any schadenfreude officially retracted.

I haven't done anything major. I do regret the amount of money the R1 rotors cost, even though they look cool. And I hate the Hawk pads since they don't stop as well as stock. The only thing that keeps me from putting the OEMs back is they dust less.

one recent one is a used medic hood I purchased.....first of all the fit is terrible. But other than that the last owner used some kinda old, crappy paint. After my shop tried to paint it and it bubbled up...they had to strip it down and completely redo the stupid thing. Instead of $300 for a repaint...cost me.....way too much!

and I dont even need to mention the SRt conversion..........

$100 2wd mod cost an extra $1000 to rebuild tcase

$300 K&N cai I sold for $50

Oh yea.....i got more

9. Having BuilderBills Hillbilly Automotive Group, coffee can mechanic install my ProTorque converter and flexplate. Not only did I get charged too much for the parts, he should return my labor money. I pulled the engine this weekend and I had four bolts securing the engine. All four were crossthreaded, one has a nut on it so it didnt go in all the way. Thats hillbilly for I stripped it but this should work. One other was backed out all the way. So in reality I had two cross threaded bolts securing my engine and bell housing. Nice......especially running down the track at 119mph!!

10. Having the Hillbilly Automotive Group install my new PT converter (all scratched up mind you) with stripped allen head bolts. We had to chisel and vice grip them off!!

To think.....I got charged another $350.00 for that. Good thing I decided to pull the engine. If I was killed I wouldnt have been able to write about it!!:eek:


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:eek::eek:WOW! :eek::eek:

Sorry to hear this.

I am very glad for this forum! I was thinking about the front and rear diffs. BUT... Now there will be 0% chance I would get them now.

Sarge... Glass is half full, you did not get hurt. I do hope it all works out for you.

Oh yea.....i got more

9. Having BuilderBills Hillbilly Automotive Group, coffee can mechanic install my ProTorque converter and flexplate. Not only did I get charged too much for the parts, he should return my labor money. I pulled the engine this weekend and I had four bolts securing the engine. All four were crossthreaded, one has a nut on it so it didnt go in all the way. Thats hillbilly for I stripped it but this should work. One other was backed out all the way. So in reality I had two cross threaded bolts securing my engine and bell housing. Nice......especially running down the track at 119mph!!

10. Having the Hillbilly Automotive Group install my new PT converter (all scratched up mind you) with stripped allen head bolts. We had to chisel and vice grip them off!!

To think.....I got charged another $350.00 for that. Good thing I decided to pull the engine. If I was killed I wouldnt have been able to write about it!!:eek:


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:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

"It's getting HOT in here...So take off all your clothes!!!!!!!!"

Spent $300 at the dealer change rear spring isolators to fix the squeak it had when I bought it.

Picked it up and the f-ing thing squeaked all the way home. Did 5 mins of research on the forum and fixed it myself with a $5 can of grease for the Bwoody links!

i dont think this should be considered... you installed an aftermarket piece... i mean yeah it might not been fixed but i don't think they TRIED to screw you...

OOOOOHHHHH MYYYYYYYY He's on FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRE

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BWoody springs. $329 w/ powdercoat. Jeep looks totally tits the way it sits now, looks so gangsta, but every bump is like a kick in the nuts! the rears are just too damn soft and they bottom out over EVERYTHING, even with the bumpstop cut.

BCM braided catch can hoses. the were less than a $100, but were made with braided nylon, not stainless steel as advertised, and made with the same sh!tty heater hose so they sucked shut. only plus was i was able to reuse the end clamps.

Thumbs up to Medic for Thread of the Year on the forum on this one!

BWoody springs. $329 w/ powdercoat. Jeep looks totally tits the way it sits now, looks so gangsta, but every bump is like a kick in the nuts! the rears are just too damn soft and they bottom out over EVERYTHING, even with the bumpstop cut.



Are you sure they're installed properly? Mike personally installed mine and they ride fine....I've bottomed out I think twice since I've had them on and the 2 times it did it...It was a gnarly bridge gap and I was flying.

I got some bad grass from Trojan once. I wanted Bermuda and he sold me zoysia. What? WHat did you think I was talking about?

KRC Single Turbo Kit, $20,000+.... FAIL

I got some bad grass from Trojan once. I wanted Bermuda and he sold me zoysia. What? WHat did you think I was talking about?

You're such a burnout Andy!

I got some bad grass from Trojan once. I wanted Bermuda and he sold me zoysia. What? WHat did you think I was talking about?
Your my new hero.

I got some bad grass from Trojan once. I wanted Bermuda and he sold me zoysia. What? WHat did you think I was talking about?

Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.

Keoni, we followed the installation to a tee and mimicked the stock seat position and all. Colorado has TERRIBLE side roads...but if they were not correct, what would i look for?


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Oh yea.....i got more

9. Having BuilderBills Hillbilly Automotive Group, coffee can mechanic install my ProTorque converter and flexplate. Not only did I get charged too much for the parts, he should return my labor money. I pulled the engine this weekend and I had four bolts securing the engine. All four were crossthreaded, one has a nut on it so it didnt go in all the way. Thats hillbilly for I stripped it but this should work. One other was backed out all the way. So in reality I had two cross threaded bolts securing my engine and bell housing. Nice......especially running down the track at 119mph!!

10. Having the Hillbilly Automotive Group install my new PT converter (all scratched up mind you) with stripped allen head bolts. We had to chisel and vice grip them off!!

To think.....I got charged another $350.00 for that. Good thing I decided to pull the engine. If I was killed I wouldnt have been able to write about it!!:eek:


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:eek: :eek:
Thats crazy!!!!! :eek:

..... this is the first bad comment about Bbills work I have read yet....I wonder if people are keeping it on the DL.... or if Sarge is the only one with a bad experience...hmmmmmmm.........

Something dosen't sound right, I doubt they bottom out on everything. Alot of variables go into that statement. How fast your driving, how much weight you have in the back. Hell I have bottomed out on the stock springs, when I hit a pot hole up in Jersey, I thought I broke something and the kids learned some new words:).

Are you sure they're installed properly? Mike personally installed mine and they ride fine....I've bottomed out I think twice since I've had them on and the 2 times it did it...It was a gnarly bridge gap and I was flying.

Well I thought I was too new to succumb to any regrets but here is mine...

A CMR that cost me $199 from MHP... Perhaps I was expecting too much but the resulting gains are as follows:

with the MHP tune they were:

13.027
12.930
13.019
13.130
April 24 MHP Tune Average Time:
13.0265

with the Diablo Predator canned 93 tune:
13.191
13.125
13.053
13.045

April 10 Canned 93 Tune Average Time:
13.1035


What's worst is the .077 gain might even be attributed to me having more seat time...or the most likely scenario... Having 1,100 miles on April 10 and 2,400 miles on April 24th the engine is more broken in.

:eek: :eek:
Thats crazy!!!!! :eek:

..... this is the first bad comment about Bbills work I have read yet....I wonder if people are keeping it on the DL.... or if Sarge is the only one with a bad experience...hmmmmmmm.........


This same thread on the lx forum has some complaints about the stage II VB. Never complaints about Bill's service as he stands behind it but problems with flaring on the shifts, codes, etc.

Looks like in most cases another was sent out or money was refunded.

I had similar problems with one of his VB's but I was testing a more aggressive unit. Had codes, flaring on shifts, downshifts were extremely harsh and all over the place. We never got to finish the testing though due to my accident. Bill worked closely with me trying to get it figured out and I was never charged. Just time lost working on the jeep...which is something I love anyway and some rough and interesting rides to work and back. ;)


EDIT: Just so this is clear I am not knocking Bill at all as he was honest with me the whole time and was giving me a great deal. As I said we never got a chance to get the bugs worked out because of the accident. He even over nighted a trans filter for me as I was doing a trans fluid/filter change at the same time as the VB. I still think Bill is a stand up guy and has helped the hemi world tremendously. I just wanted to give my story with nothing omitted. Yes the VB causing the problems was frustrating but this was a known possibility entering in.

Man I Am Glad I Got Mine Back To Stock And Gave It To The Wife.............oh Yeah What`s Up Fellas.

here are the rears...do they look right?

LR-http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/S_Pate1121/029.jpg

RR-http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/S_Pate1121/028.jpg

those springs look fine to me, but I also dont know anything about springs

My only regret is the Magnaflow 12599 muffler. It made the exhaust quieter.

MyGig Lockpick for $249.
Sold to another member.

Paid $1500 to AAC for a new set of painted headlights with 8000k Halo rings and a new set of fogs with the same Temp Halos :eek: :eek: :eek:
Price is too damn high for this S***, but thats not the only issue.
2 weeks later 2 of the damn halo rings got burned and it took them about 2 moths to fix'em for me !!
+ they have a S****y service on the phone, they aren't that nice !!!

If i get another chance i WOULD NEVER BUY IT FROM THEM !! or anyone else lol
And would not pay half the damn price for that S***

Sorry for the language but it brought me back to this bad memory haha but its all good ... LIFE LESSONS :mad:

LOL Im right there with you Bro...take a look at my review for the back story...I love the look and would have had no problem paying what I did for them but I would have just bought the rings and put them in myself had I known how crappy a job they would do....if anyone like the look get them from Flashtech...

And I had a tune sent from MHP by Andy....I needed to change one thing and I never got that done...and after a few calls i never got any calls back or replys to e-mails...just sad...I know some guys have had good luck with them but this has just put a bad taste in my mouth for MHP and for the small amout of $$$$ I put in to my MOD's its there loss :D

Well I thought I was too new to succumb to any regrets but here is mine...

A CMR that cost me $199 from MHP... Perhaps I was expecting too much but the resulting gains are as follows:

with the MHP tune they were:

13.027
12.930
13.019
13.130
April 24 MHP Tune Average Time:
13.0265

with the Diablo Predator canned 93 tune:
13.191
13.125
13.053
13.045

April 10 Canned 93 Tune Average Time:
13.1035


What's worst is the .077 gain might even be attributed to me having more seat time...or the most likely scenario... Having 1,100 miles on April 10 and 2,400 miles on April 24th the engine is more broken in.

Ran the same numbers with my MHP tune as I did with the canned CAI 93 tune. I feel your pain brother!

Great thread !

So far my only regrets have been getting my windshield stone chip fixed for $50 from one of the major vendors. What a waste of money. Not only did it look just as bad but I think it expanded slightly.

As everyone knows, Fully Automotive screwed me. The pillar pod looks like crap and I paid $299 for it, but they got it in the end. :D

MHP tune took a TON of data logging, but once it was dialed in, she ran great and shifted even better. Looking to see what the new tune will do.

Kooks drivers bank CAT was rattling like a MOFO, which is what made it so difficult to tune my MHP tune (to their defense). Kooks basically told me to pound sand and I had to spend another $550 to replace the drivers mid pipe with CAT. That was BS considering all the time I spent at the dyno and data logs trying to get my tune right due to "knock" in the cat. Believe it or not, my mechanic at the dealer found it one day while changing the oil. :rolleyes: They do a great job for me. :D

Zenon Depot HID's, flawless.
BWoody Springs, love them. (Except powder coat doesn't hold up in MN).
Borla S, love it.
BWoody 4" CAI, love it.
BWoody thermal spacers, NO issues (Except powder coat doesn't hold up in MN).
BWoody sway links, NO issues (Except power coat doesn't hold up in MN).
BT Oil catch can, flawless. I have pulled over two quarts of oil that would have otherwise gone through the intake. I kept every drop. :D

As everyone knows, Fully Automotive screwed me. The pillar pod looks like crap and I paid $299 for it, but they got it in the end. :D

MHP tune took a TON of data logging, but once it was dialed in, she ran great and shifted even better. Looking to see what the new tune will do.

Kooks drivers bank CAT was rattling like a MOFO, which is what made it so difficult to tune my MHP tune (to their defense). Kooks basically told me to pound sand and I had to spend another $550 to replace the drivers mid pipe with CAT. That was BS considering all the time I spent at the dyno and data logs trying to get my tune right due to "knock" in the cat. Believe it or not, my mechanic at the dealer found it one day while changing the oil. :rolleyes: They do a great job for me. :D

Zenon Depot HID's, flawless.
BWoody Springs, love them. (Except powder coat doesn't hold up in MN).
Borla S, love it.
BWoody 4" CAI, love it.
BWoody thermal spacers, NO issues (Except powder coat doesn't hold up in MN).
BWoody sway links, NO issues (Except power coat doesn't hold up in MN).
BT Oil catch can, flawless. I have pulled over two quarts of oil that would have otherwise gone through the intake. I kept every drop. :D

Wow! Your the 3rd guy who has gotten a revision! Since when did MHP start offering revisions:rolleyes: Hey if the tune is working for you then thats good man!

Wow! Your the 3rd guy who has gotten a revision! Since when did MHP start offering revisions:rolleyes: Hey if the tune is working for you then thats good man!

And in all fairness, Andy was willing to do what ever it took to make me happy with my tune. Like I said, it took a ton of data logs, but with the whole Kooks situation and my Jeep just not fitting the cookie cutter profile, I think I got a pretty spot on tune in the end. Which is pretty cool considering it was all done over the internet and via phone and remotely on the dyno. I give him an A for effort. :D

LOL, thanks Andy.

those springs look fine to me, but I also dont know anything about springs

Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.

Winston..... STAY THE HELL OUTTA MY GARAGE!!

GSM cold air intake
RDP tune
Thermalator
Export fender flares 1500$ :eek::eek:
Bwoody springs

Marcel with Total Lighting Solutions...

that little punk 18 year old screwed a lot of us over....

He got me.... Bosch my $#@$#$#@ :mad:

damn, lotsa issues with the bwoody springs??

damn, lotsa issues with the bwoody springs??

Yes sir! Aren't you glad you did not buy them:D

This same thread on the lx forum has some complaints about the stage II VB. Never complaints about Bill's service as he stands behind it but problems with flaring on the shifts, codes, etc.

Looks like in most cases another was sent out or money was refunded.

I had similar problems with one of his VB's but I was testing a more aggressive unit. Had codes, flaring on shifts, downshifts were extremely harsh and all over the place. We never got to finish the testing though due to my accident. Bill worked closely with me trying to get it figured out and I was never charged. Just time lost working on the jeep...which is something I love anyway and some rough and interesting rides to work and back. ;)


EDIT: Just so this is clear I am not knocking Bill at all as he was honest with me the whole time and was giving me a great deal. As I said we never got a chance to get the bugs worked out because of the accident. He even over nighted a trans filter for me as I was doing a trans fluid/filter change at the same time as the VB. I still think Bill is a stand up guy and has helped the hemi world tremendously. I just wanted to give my story with nothing omitted. Yes the VB causing the problems was frustrating but this was a known possibility entering in.

The flare shifting has nothing to do with the VB itself. It's in your tuning. When I had my VB installed, mine would flare shift from 3-4 almost everytime. I had to shift off the throttle in normal driving so it wouldn't do it. Never did it WOT though. I had my Jeep tuned by Johan, has never done it since. I was shocked the first time I drove it. I thought it was a VB thing but it ended up being a tune thing. I was running a RDP tune when it was flare shifting. Johan cured it with just a tune.

What is flare shifting guys?

The flare shifting has nothing to do with the VB itself. It's in your tuning. When I had my VB installed, mine would flare shift from 3-4 almost everytime. I had to shift off the throttle in normal driving so it wouldn't do it. Never did it WOT though. I had my Jeep tuned by Johan, has never done it since. I was shocked the first time I drove it. I thought it was a VB thing but it ended up being a tune thing. I was running a RDP tune when it was flare shifting. Johan cured it with just a tune.

HB I had 2 different CMR tunes and tried the 93CAI tune and it did the flaring, codes, etc with every tune. The MHP tune was the worst and the toon from Johan was the best but everyone of them did this. The tune would help one way or the other but the problems were from the VB but like I said it was a more aggressive unit than the stage II.

flaring its caused by changes in line pressure...., don't think you can cure that with a tune, of the ecm, anyway.

My DPG Custom Tune from DCX Depot is a big let down. My truck performance was no improvement in fact it wasted alot of gas. Loaded the 93 CAI can tune back in and dam what an improvement in performance and gas.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but the Predator was the worst waste of money I spent on this bad boy. I've never liked Diablosport, their products have always been ****ty for me in the past. I went ahead and got a predator anyway since it seemed to be the only tuner available at the time and just as I expected, its worthless. I took the advice of everyone on here and ran the midgrade tune on 93 gas to keep from experiencing the knock retard. But the dam thing took three days to get straight, it set off every idiot light the car has.

And I know you all think CMR tunes are the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I come from a performance background and know what needs to be tuned how and when, and a relatively stock SRT8 doesn't need a cmr. What it needs is someone else like superchips to get into the game. Beyond fan speed/temp control, the predator is a POS.

I may as well start it. Without the people at Diablo we would not have been able to do most of what we have. I respect your opinion but I think that you should have delivered it in a more professional manor than what you have. Superchips has not gotten into the game and probably will not. In the mean time we at least have the people at Diablo to help support us as we move forward. If you have some specific issues with Diablo you should express them directly to them and give them a chance to fix them not just by blasting them on this forum. I am amazed at Diablo’s Tech Support and willingness to answer questions. Just my 2 cents!

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but the Predator was the worst waste of money I spent on this bad boy. I've never liked Diablosport, their products have always been ****ty for me in the past. I went ahead and got a predator anyway since it seemed to be the only tuner available at the time and just as I expected, its worthless. I took the advice of everyone on here and ran the midgrade tune on 93 gas to keep from experiencing the knock retard. But the dam thing took three days to get straight, it set off every idiot light the car has.

And I know you all think CMR tunes are the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I come from a performance background and know what needs to be tuned how and when, and a relatively stock SRT8 doesn't need a cmr. What it needs is someone else like superchips to get into the game. Beyond fan speed/temp control, the predator is a POS.

Did the fact that there is no one else offering anything trigger something in your head? Maybe superchips isnt offering anything because they cant offer half of what Diablosport is offering. If you come from a performance background than you know that Superchips/Hypertech are the worst when it comes to hand-held devices. SCT makes a great Ford product, but their Hemi stuff blows. EFI Live and HP Tuners is great for Chevy. When it comes to Dodge, the Diablosport is the best hand-held available. Maybe the problem wasnt the tuner, maybe it was the user. Dont take that as an attack, but your one of very few people to complain about it taking days to figure out. I will agree that a CMR tune is a waste of money unless you have heads/cam or something more aggressive. Maybe you should contact one of the other great tuning companies and ask them why they are not offering something, then you can call KB, Vortech, Pro-Charger, Magnusson, Hellion, Whipple, and STS and let them know an alternative is coming since they are all using Diablosport right now.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but the Predator was the worst waste of money I spent on this bad boy. I've never liked Diablosport, their products have always been ****ty for me in the past. I went ahead and got a predator anyway since it seemed to be the only tuner available at the time and just as I expected, its worthless. I took the advice of everyone on here and ran the midgrade tune on 93 gas to keep from experiencing the knock retard. But the dam thing took three days to get straight, it set off every idiot light the car has.

And I know you all think CMR tunes are the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I come from a performance background and know what needs to be tuned how and when, and a relatively stock SRT8 doesn't need a cmr. What it needs is someone else like superchips to get into the game. Beyond fan speed/temp control, the predator is a POS.


I am no performance expert, but the Preator or the Trinity has always worked for me. Not sure what you mean by a bunch of idot lights, but that is normal when installing a tune bro. So far my Jeep performs better then when it came from the factory IMO. Maybe you should build us a tuner then if the Diablo products are a POS? Are you sure you know how to use it? Holla!!

I may as well start it. Without the people at Diablo we would not have been able to do most of what we have. I respect your opinion but I think that you should have delivered it in a more professional manor than what you have. Superchips has not gotten into the game and probably will not. In the mean time we at least have the people at Diablo to help support us as we move forward. If you have some specific issues with Diablo you should express them directly to them and give them a chance to fix them not just by blasting them on this forum. I am amazed at Diablo’s Tech Support and willingness to answer questions. Just my 2 cents!

I guess you missed the title, but the thread is about the mod your regret most. Of the few things I've done, I offer this as my most regreted mod. Its not flaming, its an opinion. Superchips and the other handheld manufacturers probably won't get into the game, because the market share for the Cherokee SRT8 is very low to begin with, and the majority of those that buy them are content with 425hp. Therefore, they'd probably never make the money back from R&D to develop a platform for this vehicle. Its simple business economics. Diablo makes something for just about every car out there, as they have chosen to do all.

And I did express my dissatisfaction with their product to Diablo, their answer was oh well we can't do anything about it. That leaves a foul taste in anyones mouth. I had them write 3 custom tunes, then went and datalogged it and had them tweak them. I had constant CEL for lean/rich in both banks and they raised the tranny line pressure so high I was blowing fluid out of my tranny. (none of these issues existed before the tune) They retweaked my tune 7 times and never managed to get it right. I finally went to another vendor (at a second expense since Diablo wouldn't refund my money even though they couldn't provide what I paid for) and had him write me three custom tunes. Before I even datalogged it, I had a 28hp increase over Diablo's final product. (and it was done safely) After tweaking, I ended up with 35 more RWHP, no CEL and my tranny was no longer leaking. Their customer service failed, and they didn't care. As anyone would, I moved on and haven't had anything nice to say about them since. The thread asked for opinions, and I gave it. I'm sorry if you don't like it.;)

Did the fact that there is no one else offering anything trigger something in your head? Maybe superchips isnt offering anything because they cant offer half of what Diablosport is offering. If you come from a performance background than you know that Superchips/Hypertech are the worst when it comes to hand-held devices. SCT makes a great Ford product, but their Hemi stuff blows. EFI Live and HP Tuners is great for Chevy. When it comes to Dodge, the Diablosport is the best hand-held available. Maybe the problem wasnt the tuner, maybe it was the user. Dont take that as an attack, but your one of very few people to complain about it taking days to figure out. I will agree that a CMR tune is a waste of money unless you have heads/cam or something more aggressive. Maybe you should contact one of the other great tuning companies and ask them why they are not offering something, then you can call KB, Vortech, Pro-Charger, Magnusson, Hellion, Whipple, and STS and let them know an alternative is coming since they are all using Diablosport right now.

As I said above, the market for Cherokee SRT8 is small, which is most likely why other vendors aren't jumping in. The problem isn't the user, I've had tunes for several different applications, naturally aspirated and blown. I know how to use a tuner. And I don't forsee anyone getting into this market unless Jeep decided to mass produce the cherokee on a scale of that of, say a mustang or camaro. Assuming this is right, and I don't know, http://www.wkjeeps.com/wk_srt8_distribution.htm say that as of January 2009 there were 10355 cherokee srt8's made. Thats not enough for the big players to get into the market, simple economics.;)

I am no performance expert, but the Preator or the Trinity has always worked for me. Not sure what you mean by a bunch of idot lights, but that is normal when installing a tune bro. So far my Jeep performs better then when it came from the factory IMO. Maybe you should build us a tuner then if the Diablo products are a POS? Are you sure you know how to use it? Holla!!

It set off a suspension light that I had to redo the programming three times to get to go off, and it cuased issues with the theft control device for days. The tech support personell told me to reload the tune, repeatedly, until it worked properly. I don't build tuners, nor do I write programming for them, hence why I bought one and paid for custom tunes in the past. Again, the thread asked for opinions on the worst mod you ever bought and this was my selection. If you don't like/agree with it, i'm sorry. There are quite a few people who haven't been satisfied with these tuners, on this site and abroad, but most of them don't want the flaming for saying something about it. I just wanted to put it out there for those who could spend their money on more effective mods.:cool:

I guess you missed the title, but the thread is about the mod your regret most. Of the few things I've done, I offer this as my most regreted mod. Its not flaming, its an opinion. Superchips and the other handheld manufacturers probably won't get into the game, because the market share for the Cherokee SRT8 is very low to begin with, and the majority of those that buy them are content with 425hp. Therefore, they'd probably never make the money back from R&D to develop a platform for this vehicle. Its simple business economics. Diablo makes something for just about every car out there, as they have chosen to do all.

And I did express my dissatisfaction with their product to Diablo, their answer was oh well we can't do anything about it. That leaves a foul taste in anyones mouth. I had them write 3 custom tunes, then went and datalogged it and had them tweak them. I had constant CEL for lean/rich in both banks and they raised the tranny line pressure so high I was blowing fluid out of my tranny. (none of these issues existed before the tune) They retweaked my tune 7 times and never managed to get it right. I finally went to another vendor (at a second expense since Diablo wouldn't refund my money even though they couldn't provide what I paid for) and had him write me three custom tunes. Before I even datalogged it, I had a 28hp increase over Diablo's final product. (and it was done safely) After tweaking, I ended up with 35 more RWHP, no CEL and my tranny was no longer leaking. Their customer service failed, and they didn't care. As anyone would, I moved on and haven't had anything nice to say about them since. The thread asked for opinions, and I gave it. I'm sorry if you don't like it.;)

So let me get this straight....you have a Predator, not happy with results, had 3 custom tunes and 7 revisions by SOMEONE, and you were still not happy....so you had another TUNER send you some files and now you are happy? It SOUNDS like the problem was the tuner, not the hardware!!! So really, you can't say the PREDATOR is a POS since you like your current tune right? Or am I missing something?

It set off a suspension light that I had to redo the programming three times to get to go off, and it cuased issues with the theft control device for days. The tech support personell told me to reload the tune, repeatedly, until it worked properly. I don't build tuners, nor do I write programming for them, hence why I bought one and paid for custom tunes in the past. Again, the thread asked for opinions on the worst mod you ever bought and this was my selection. If you don't like/agree with it, i'm sorry. There are quite a few people who haven't been satisfied with these tuners, on this site and abroad, but most of them don't want the flaming for saying something about it. I just wanted to put it out there for those who could spend their money on more effective mods.:cool:

Seems like you had some issues then man. How modded was this vehicle and what kind of car was it? Was it a 99 Mustang?

So let me get this straight....you have a Predator, not happy with results, had 3 custom tunes and 7 revisions by SOMEONE, and you were still not happy....so you had another TUNER send you some files and now you are happy? It SOUNDS like the problem was the tuner, not the hardware!!! So really, you can't say the PREDATOR is a POS since you like your current tune right? Or am I missing something?
No, thats not correct at all. I had a diablo tune on my previous vehicle. After 7 revisions they failed to get it even remotely right, and I changed to another handheld with a different tuner.

I'm not sure about the CMR tunes being a waste of money without heads, cam, etc.. Night and day difference on my Jeep over the canned tunes.

Seems like you had some issues then man. How modded was this vehicle and what kind of car was it? Was it a 99 Mustang?

It was a liquid cooled blown Navigator 5.4 Yea I know, who the hell does that to a Navigator.......I did cause no one else did. It has alot of Cobra style parts on it. 42# injectors, Lightning SVT MAF, ported/polished intake, was running 9# of boost. It was mean as hell when I got it all done right. It was pulling 347rwhp, which is a vast improvement over the 184 stock rwhp. (and considering the thing weighed in at over 7200lbs curb weight) It would east the old durango RT 5.9 and spit it out. But there was only so far I could go with air suspension and that much weight. I was gonna get an Explorer and do a Cobra like conversion on it, but Ford didn't want to negotiate on their price and I found this Cherokee through a Wholesaler friend of mine, it was the last one in Atlanta at the time and I got a fantasitic deal, especially seeing what people want for theirs in the for sale forum. I've had the SRT8 about a year now, and when I bought it I paid $26k for it, 2007 year model. I see people selling the ones like mine with similiar miles for almost $30k right now, amazing. Anyway, back to the point, yea, I had lots of issues, and they all stemmed from the tune. When I was running the FMU with the blower I had no problems at all, but I wanted to maximize the potential, and Diablo simply failed me horribly and then just basically said well, sorry. I went to an xcal2 and had a guy in VA that specialized in the f150 platform (which the navi was based on back then very closely) and the results were like night and day.:cool:

I'm not sure about the CMR tunes being a waste of money without heads, cam, etc.. Night and day difference on my Jeep over the canned tunes.

I can answer this for you quite easily, though the tuners won't like the answer. Without several mods, the cmr tune isn't doing you anygood. A couple horsepower maybe if they really tighten it up. Most vehicles can take the basic mods (intake, exhaust) without any issue. Some vehicles, like the new F150, will run lean with an intake, and this must be compensated for with something like the CMR. As far as I've read and experienced, it isn't the case on the SRT8. Not directing this at you, but sometimes expectations of a product can overshadow the actual results.....aka I think it performs better now that I spent my money. The only way to actually know is to take your truck to the track, put it to stock, run it, change to your tune after its cooled off, and run it again, assuming you can hit the same trap times. (aka no driver error) I think you'd be suprised that you'd find little to no difference. And I say this from years of trying every single mod I could find for my vehicles, not just blowing smoke out my arse.

Ok, not trying to argue. But with minimal ST KR and no LT KR now compared to 7.5 ST and 5.0 LT with a canned tune I definitely notice a difference. The "sprintbooster mod" to the tune is also nice.

I'm happy even if it is a waste of money :D

I'm not sure about the CMR tunes being a waste of money without heads, cam, etc.. Night and day difference on my Jeep over the canned tunes.
Same here just CAI, cat back & a CMR. Way better throttle response & improved shifts compared to my wife's. Seems to pull a little more up top also.

Stang99X...... the Pred works on ALL SRT8's... not just the Jeep. So, throw out the Jeep is such a small market ordeal.

Stang99X...... the Pred works on ALL SRT8's... not just the Jeep. So, throw out the Jeep is such a small market ordeal.



+1 ^^^^^^^^^^

Stang99X...... the Pred works on ALL SRT8's... not just the Jeep. So, throw out the Jeep is such a small market ordeal.

Compensate for the AWD train, and its a truck, not a car. If you wanted to use that arguement it would be like saying tuning a 4.6 mustang is the same as tuning a 4.6 crown vic, explorer, mountaineer, etc etc. its not the same. Just because they both run 6.1's doesn't mean they are the same by any means.

And lastly, I respect the opinion that everyone has of the products they use. I simply ask that everyone respect the opinion of the product I reviewed. I simply offered my input in a thread that asked what you felt was the biggest waste of money that you had spent on a mod. I use mine as my wifes daily driver, I'm not trying to build a 440 with 1000 horsepower. My opinions are that of someone who expects this vehicle to perform daily duties, with the occasionaly weekend stoplight to stoplight run with whoever feels like having a go. My experience in the past with multiple different makes, models, and induction is where I come from with what I know. Quite frankly, do as you please with your money and your vehicle, thats why you bought it. The point of this forum isn't to be lopsided to favor one vendor or product, its to tell all experiences good and bad and save the trouble and money of having to try them all firsthandedly. With that being said, I'll end my response.

I can answer this for you quite easily, though the tuners won't like the answer. Without several mods, the cmr tune isn't doing you anygood. A couple horsepower maybe if they really tighten it up. Most vehicles can take the basic mods (intake, exhaust) without any issue. Some vehicles, like the new F150, will run lean with an intake, and this must be compensated for with something like the CMR. As far as I've read and experienced, it isn't the case on the SRT8. Not directing this at you, but sometimes expectations of a product can overshadow the actual results.....aka I think it performs better now that I spent my money. The only way to actually know is to take your truck to the track, put it to stock, run it, change to your tune after its cooled off, and run it again, assuming you can hit the same trap times. (aka no driver error) I think you'd be suprised that you'd find little to no difference. And I say this from years of trying every single mod I could find for my vehicles, not just blowing smoke out my arse.

Are you for real dude? Wow..... that's clueless right there. You actually read anything on this forum? I'm sure Wade with a cat-back and CAI only can run a 12.3X by pulling out his CMR and running stock. There are countless mid 12 second trucks on here with CMR and a catback only. Yeah... CMR's are a waste of money.:rolleyes:

It's no secret either that SCT is the only way to go for a Ford. If you've been into cars for "awhile" or however you put it you would know that. No one runs a Diablo with a Ford........ and no one runs an SCT with a MOPAR. Sounds like to me you were the victim of a tuner who couldn't tune.

Are you for real dude? Wow..... that's clueless right there. You actually read anything on this forum? I'm sure Wade with a cat-back and CAI only can run a 12.3X by pulling out his CMR and running stock. There are countless mid 12 second trucks on here with CMR and a catback only. Yeah... CMR's are a waste of money.:rolleyes:

It's no secret either that SCT is the only way to go for a Ford. If you've been into cars for "awhile" or however you put it you would know that. No one runs a Diablo with a Ford........ and no one runs an SCT with a MOPAR. Sounds like to me you were the victim of a tuner who couldn't tune.

+1 Lol , look at my Sig !!! my time corrects to 12.50@107 , Low trap on this run as i trap as high as 109.55MPH and that is CAI + CMR ONLY .

No one runs a Diablo with a Ford........ and no one runs an SCT with a MOPAR. Sounds like to me you were the victim of a tuner who couldn't tune.

For the third, and final time, DIABLO wrote the tune. They took all the information as I provided it to thier vendor, and DIABLO WROTE the custom tune. And since you want to be so high and mighty about the unit, might I remind you that the unit has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the tune, its merely a portal which allows transference to your rig. The difference between custom tunes written by Diablo, SuperChiips, Jet, or Hypertech (or any other company) is the TUNER HIMSELF. They simply use different software with which to achieve a common goal. If you knew anything about tuning, you'd know that. Its simply about achieving AF ratio, EGT, and so forth in the correct combination, which is learned through trial and error and simulators. Hence the reason from time to time you read about people catching a "bad" tune. Temperature, elevation, there are a million variables that have to be considered. Yes, I've been in the game since OBDI when you could even just hunt through junkyards and find the more desired factory computer and transfer it to your car. I'm well aware how it all works. And again I say, this was simply an opinion thread, and I offered mine. As is typical with web forums, everyone hops on the guy that doesn't go with the train of thought that has become concrete amongst a group. I've read quite a few threads here with people that had issues with diablo. My response was solely meant to offer such an opinion to the masses that read these forums and apply to the "unpopular" side that isn't spoken of. I still have the dam thing and still use it for fan adjustment and have the midgrade tune installed. At the point that another unit is available, I'll change and then you can have the results.

For the third, and final time, DIABLO wrote the tune. They took all the information as I provided it to thier vendor, and DIABLO WROTE the custom tune. And since you want to be so high and mighty about the unit, might I remind you that the unit has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the tune, its merely a portal which allows transference to your rig. The difference between custom tunes written by Diablo, SuperChiips, Jet, or Hypertech (or any other company) is the TUNER HIMSELF. They simply use different software with which to achieve a common goal. If you knew anything about tuning, you'd know that. Its simply about achieving AF ratio, EGT, and so forth in the correct combination, which is learned through trial and error and simulators. Hence the reason from time to time you read about people catching a "bad" tune. Temperature, elevation, there are a million variables that have to be considered. Yes, I've been in the game since OBDI when you could even just hunt through junkyards and find the more desired factory computer and transfer it to your car. I'm well aware how it all works. And again I say, this was simply an opinion thread, and I offered mine. As is typical with web forums, everyone hops on the guy that doesn't go with the train of thought that has become concrete amongst a group. I've read quite a few threads here with people that had issues with diablo. My response was solely meant to offer such an opinion to the masses that read these forums and apply to the "unpopular" side that isn't spoken of. I still have the dam thing and still use it for fan adjustment and have the midgrade tune installed. At the point that another unit is available, I'll change and then you can have the results.

He said "midgrade"

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Contact Johan for a real CMR....... then you'll change your mind about the CMR tunes. Don't knock a CMR tune b/c you got a bad one. Hell, if I based CMR tunes off my MHP tune, I'd NEVER be where I'm at now.

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He said knock retard.

Contact Johan for a real CMR....... then you'll change your mind about the CMR tunes. Don't knock a CMR tune b/c you got a bad one. Hell, if I based CMR tunes off my MHP tune, I'd NEVER be where I'm at now.

Hahahaha... Lean and Mean! LOL!!

He said "midgrade"

I would assume that you know that fuel is sold in the US under three grades, which will vary in octane based on the part of the country you are in. Here in GA we have 87, 89, and 92 or 93 depending on the station. (and in some cases 95 is available) This grades are sold as Regular, MidGrade, and Premium. What I would have thought was common knowledge, apparently not.

I would assume that you know that fuel is sold in the US under three grades, which will vary in octane based on the part of the country you are in. Here in GA we have 87, 89, and 92 or 93 depending on the station. (and in some cases 95 is available) This grades are sold as Regular, MidGrade, and Premium. What I would have thought was common knowledge, apparently not.

I don't think he was refering to gasoline. I think the fuel he is talking about comes in Swag, midgrade, and kind. I don't think it was an insult, just a joke. :D

Mmmmmmm the kinds..... :D

;)


Havent seen swag since highschool....:eek:




No but seriously.... back on topic.
I bought a pack of microfiber towels at BJ`s Wholesale club (Its a wholesale grocery store... like costco) The pack of towels was big, and came with alot of towels.
When I got home, I opened it up and found a huge pack of microfiber wash cloths :confused: How can I wash my jeep with that?
I need a real towel... A mans towel!



Speaking of towels :D
How bout last weeks SouthPark? :D :lol:
Towlie goes on that show "Intervention"! :rofl:

Towlie IS my favorite southpark character!! That episode was GREEAATT!!



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LOL^^
I just asked every1 to get back on topic. Then I changed the topic again....Oops

^^^ X2 Ummmmmmm KIND! DC passed legalization yesterday!! :hippy:

Sorry.. reback to topic

^^ :eek:

My brother lives in DC!!!

I will be making a phone call later today..... :D

Medical Maryjane FTW!!

I actually own stock in a company that grows weed in Cali:D

^ Very smart!

Medicinal marijuana is the future!

I have a family member.. who has had kidney failure. She needed a new kidney and got a transplant. Now she has to take so much medicine for her body to accept the new kidney that she has no appetite.
She is getting skinnier and skinnier... Medicinal marijuana was the solution for this.

And it has an extra bonus!
It also relieves stress, and greatly helps with getting a full nights rest.

^ Very smart!

Medicinal marijuana is the future!

I have a family member.. who has had kidney failure. She needed a new kidney and got a transplant. Now she has to take so much medicine for her body to accept the new kidney that she has no appetite.
She is getting skinnier and skinnier... Medicinal marijuana was the solution for this.

And it has an extra bonus!
It also relieves stress, and greatly helps with getting a full nights rest.

Some people have all the luck.:)

Just making light of a bad situation pal. No disrespect intended. God bless her.

It still has to pass through congress even though DC government approved it. Will take at least 60 congressional working days until we know the real answer on what is or is not approved...Still....2 ounces a month is a lot of weed.

Ahh to be a prop 215 patient here in Cali is so nice =)

But back on topic.

Even though its a great product, I had no use for the Diablo programmer, as I am running my beast stock. Luckily I got it for free, for being the guinea pig for it.

I would assume that you know that fuel is sold in the US under three grades, which will vary in octane based on the part of the country you are in. Here in GA we have 87, 89, and 92 or 93 depending on the station. (and in some cases 95 is available) This grades are sold as Regular, MidGrade, and Premium. What I would have thought was common knowledge, apparently not.

Dude it was a freakin joke......

I haven't heard anybody use that word for a while and I thought it was funny....

Of course everybody here know what it means...

Relax...

I wasn't aiming to be sarcastic at you, but since others seem to have had a more elevated temper about me not liking diablo, I tried to maintain a constant non-combative answering approach. And, since it became such an issue, I am in the process of searching for an educated SCT tuner in my area and if I find one, I will have it done and post the charts here.

As for that Medicinal bud thing, I think you'll see it progress alot in the near future as there are so many states that currently have it (and violate federal law) which all runs full circle all the way back to the 1800's and the civil war, with states rights to govern themselves and limit the rights of the federal gov't to tell them what to do.

I wasn't aiming to be sarcastic at you, but since others seem to have had a more elevated temper about me not liking diablo, I tried to maintain a constant non-combative answering approach. And, since it became such an issue, I am in the process of searching for an educated SCT tuner in my area and if I find one, I will have it done and post the charts here.

Good luck finding as SCT Tuner that can tune a 2007. They only support up to 2006 ;) And you might not want to sell the predator, SCT recommends you get a predator to log with since they can't data log Hemis...Every one I know of who has used the SCT stuff gets rid of it for Diablo CMR. It just doesn't compare.

As for your "custom" tune from Diablo, Diablo as a company doesn't do custom tunes. One of thier employees does side work but if your truck is mopstly stock, I'm pretty sure you probably just got a canned tune...

J

How about a mod that was on my Jeep when I bought it? The PPP ported heads, not because they don't work, because PPP does not stand behind their product. The heads had less than 20K miles on them when a Valve spring failed. Dropped a valve, took out a piston which in turn let the wrist pin destroy the block. Whatever, $HEET happens. The problem is the early Manley springs are known to have been a problem on the Hemis. And PPP knows about it. Their attitude, and lack of follow up (Pretty much ignored me) is what turned me off on PPP. I understand I am not the original purchaser of the heads from PPP, but the Valve springs are a known problem. I was told as much by PPP when I called them initially, when he heard I had a failed one, he shut up and back tracked very quickly. What did the Mod cost? It cost PPP a Customer :D

Good luck finding as SCT Tuner that can tune a 2007. They only support up to 2006 ;) And you might not want to sell the predator, SCT recommends you get a predator to log with since they can't data log Hemis...Every one I know of who has used the SCT stuff gets rid of it for Diablo CMR. It just doesn't compare.

As for your "custom" tune from Diablo, Diablo as a company doesn't do custom tunes. One of thier employees does side work but if your truck is mopstly stock, I'm pretty sure you probably just got a canned tune...

J
Well, I would assume that a 2006 SRT8 and a 2007 SRT8 running the same motor, electronics, etc (with some cosmetic differences) should be quite similiar. I still have the predator, I use it to adjust fan speed. And, since this has become such an unsolvable issue, the whole story on that tune is that I went to Dugan Racing, a local Atlanta mustang specialist because they were a diablo dealer. They took down 4 pages of information and logs, and sent it to diablo. 1 week later diablo emailed them the tune they wrote (it was sent from Florida) and it was miserable. They (diablo in FL) revised it over and over and never got it right. Dugan wouldn't stand behind Diablo's tunes, and Diablo said sorry we can't get it right you must have screwed up. The SCT tuner, with another 4 pages of information, and 36 hours, had me an Xcal2 with tunes by UPS. From the first second (after the adaptive strategy had a moment to learn) was 100x better, and after a few dyno pulls with SCT's logging software and my laptop, a revision later and it was like a new truck, with no more problems, and a lot more HP to boot. Thats the story, with no if, ands, or buts. The truck wasn't even close to stock. It had a 9psi centrifugal blower, 42# injectors, 90mm Lightning MAF, dual 3 inch exhaust, ported and polished intake and TB and the list goes on. I've read about a tuner in Ladson SC on the Southeastern forums, and he has a challenger on there that was done at their facility. I may go see him on my next trip to charleston and see what they can do.

In the end, all of the colored stuff was gone. I had some heat dissipation issues and the stock rubber vacuum hoses were old and toast so I needed some silicon ones, and the colored **** from Autozone was available on the fly so I was using it for testing. Later on I replaced it with black silicon. But this is the general setup I was talking about
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I can't speak for Diablos Ford Stuff as I've only used it once for some minor changes to a Mustang. I know SCT has been the standard for years. A buddy of mine uses them for his Ford stuff. Only bad thing I have heard about SCTs Ford stuff is that tthey are slow to update for some of the new models (09+ F150 and 6 speed auto trans cal specifically). Other bummer about SCT is that they charge you per application for an update every year to get the latest files. You want Mustang, F150 and Focus, you pay 3 times. Diablo is a one time purchase and free updates for life. Pretty nice in that respect if you are a shop owner. Helps keep costs down. My buddy is actually considering switching just for this reason.

As for your 07 GCSRT8, its a different engine controller then the 06s. 2006 is a NGC3 and 2007+ is an NGC4. I believe 2009+ 5.7L applications (car and truck, auto and Manual) and 2009+ SRT 6 speed manual are NGC4a. I think everything is NGC4a for 2010. Diablo is your only option for 07+ at this point. The software isn't the issue. You just need to make sure you get with a good tuner who will work with you. A bad mechanic that uses Snap-On tools is still a bad mechanic ;-) Where are you located? Maybe we can hook you up with someone near you to get you a good tune for your beast.

Or you can always use one of the more reputable Email Tuners ;-) (j/k I have been reading your posts in the other thread)

J

I'm actually talking to a few people about tuning possibilities. Some from here, others from my past. It may take a little time, but I'll have an answer in the coming weeks:cool:

Oh and I'm in Atlanta GA

Is this SCT???

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Funny $h!t bro! Hehehehehe....

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I have a sense of humor as well:D

Well, I would assume that a 2006 SRT8 and a 2007 SRT8 running the same motor, electronics, etc (with some cosmetic differences) should be quite similiar.

Your Assumption is wrong. The 2006 Controller is a completely different animal than the 07. This is why the O2 spacers work ONLY on the 2006 models. Honestly Get a hold of Johan, he will set you up. If he can tune my set up (Cam, 392, Stage 3 Mopar SRT4 Injectors, Ported heads Headers etc..) I cant see why he wouldn't be able to get yours dialed in. Even better is his customer service he is 11 out of 10 in that respect.

intake manifold from power ported, i think i paid 700, the black ceramic coating is coming of in some areas.

Kicker audio upgrade with dual subs. Paid $1100 from local dealer, save your money and buy an aftermarket stereo. Sounds like ****, treble is muddy, bass is sloppy.

Magnaflow catback. Paid $1000, MarylandSpeed delivered within 2 days:clap:. System is a total **** tease, Buy a Borla S and get your rocks off.:D

Microfiber towels from Advance Auto Parts. $8.00 for 3 towels? Are you serious guy? Do you know how far 3 towels goes on an SUV? :flame: Sorry thats a personal gripe.:fu:

microfiber towels from advance auto parts. $8.00 for 3 towels? Are you serious guy? Do you know how far 3 towels goes on an suv? :flame: Sorry thats a personal gripe.:fu:

LOLZ..........tell us how u really feel!

Microfiber towels from Costco are the SHIZNIT! Like 30 of them for 12 bucks I think...

Well, I would assume that a 2006 SRT8 and a 2007 SRT8 running the same motor, electronics, etc (with some cosmetic differences) should be quite similiar. I still have the predator, I use it to adjust fan speed. And, since this has become such an unsolvable issue, the whole story on that tune is that I went to Dugan Racing, a local Atlanta mustang specialist because they were a diablo dealer. They took down 4 pages of information and logs, and sent it to diablo. 1 week later diablo emailed them the tune they wrote (it was sent from Florida) and it was miserable. They (diablo in FL) revised it over and over and never got it right. Dugan wouldn't stand behind Diablo's tunes, and Diablo said sorry we can't get it right you must have screwed up. The SCT tuner, with another 4 pages of information, and 36 hours, had me an Xcal2 with tunes by UPS. From the first second (after the adaptive strategy had a moment to learn) was 100x better, and after a few dyno pulls with SCT's logging software and my laptop, a revision later and it was like a new truck, with no more problems, and a lot more HP to boot. Thats the story, with no if, ands, or buts. The truck wasn't even close to stock. It had a 9psi centrifugal blower, 42# injectors, 90mm Lightning MAF, dual 3 inch exhaust, ported and polished intake and TB and the list goes on. I've read about a tuner in Ladson SC on the Southeastern forums, and he has a challenger on there that was done at their facility. I may go see him on my next trip to charleston and see what they can do.


Just on knowledge from driving my bros '07, his tranny shifts way smoother than my '06. Believe they even had a couple TSB's out for the '06 about the issue. After all the good things I've heard bout Johan, I'm gonna reach out to him for a tune to simply try and rectify the rev limiter and get is shifting smoother. Worth a shot.

Clear bra for me too. I installed mine myself though. PITA. :disgust:

Hands down Volant CAI $300....would have bought a different one....I still hate that box fitment.......would go with a Mopar or Arrington....

-OR- sometimes

The girlfriend mod....The thing that sits in the passenger seat and you begin to realize you have 2 NAG1s in your Jeep....gives you headaches sometimes....and gets on your nerves.....but it can also be the best mod in the world sometimes.....

Clear Bra 3+. I believe this might have been the first thing I had put on. Right after I drove through a torrential downpour for about 3 hours. Scared to take it off...

Subscribing. Good stuff.

Also, 100th post. What's up, senior member status, lol.

Subscribing. Good stuff.

Also, 100th post. What's up, senior member status, lol.

Good stuff bro....just got mine yesterday

Too bad that doesn't come with a Denny's senior discount :)

I regret buying the XV Motorsports intake manifold. Nothing but issues! Lose of boost and the catch can filled up with oil....don't buy it, it looks cool but nothing but problems.

I'm going back to the stock intake manifold...live and learn!

When my Jeep comes out of Bwoody this time It will run faster than a 10.80...guaranteed!

Wow Sorry to hear that bro , it did look cool tho .

I regret buying the XV Motorsports intake manifold. Nothing but issues! Lose of boost and the catch can filled up with oil....don't buy it, it looks cool but nothing but problems.

I'm going back to the stock intake manifold...live and learn!

When my Jeep comes out of Bwoody this time It will run faster than a 10.80...guaranteed!

Sorry to hear that Keoni. Thanks for posting up your honest opinion.

Cannot wait to see what the jeep is going to do next.

I regret buying the XV Motorsports intake manifold. Nothing but issues! Lose of boost and the catch can filled up with oil....don't buy it, it looks cool but nothing but problems.

I'm going back to the stock intake manifold...live and learn!

When my Jeep comes out of Bwoody this time It will run faster than a 10.80...guaranteed!
That sucks, and it looked so good too:eek:. Cross that off the list of Vortech upgrades. Thanks for letting everyone know.

^^^^^hahahaha

my 5.7 42,000$ shoulda got an srt 8 then my rims 3,500$ shoulda got the reps :( but one day when i get a real job ill buy something nicer

my 5.7 42,000$ shoulda got an srt 8 then my rims 3,500$ shoulda got the reps :( but one day when i get a real job ill buy something nicer

Ouch... Yeah that hurts I am so glad I had leased my 5.7 instead of buying it. Now that I sold my SRT for $43k I was thinking about doing a short term lease on a new 5.7 but couldn't bring myself to doing it. Your Jeep definitely is one of the nicest 5.7's if it helps...

yea that helps lol thanks for the pat on the back

LOL I tried

jet stage 2 - worthless - was on my magnum

RDP Nitrous tune $475 - Worthless - On my charger best run was a 13.5 on a 100 shot tune, which he claimed he fixed but never really did. and yes i had several other supporting mods. Another car with the exact setup was running mid to high 12's with the same mods. different tuner.

Havent modded the jeep yet!

Eibach 5.23410k adjustable upper ball joints. They contact the shock tower and go "BOOM!".

I'm waiting for Paulie to come back on here and say the 3.6 Kenne Bell was his worst mod. ;)

That's funny right there....

I was hoping this would have been running by now, but supercharger time does have its constraints.

LOL!

Hit the dyno 3 times.....3 issues


#1....fuel system......solved
#2....bad cats.........solved
#3.....02 sensors bad.....solved


Hopefully the next dyno session is smooth

Road Magnet lowering springs - bottomed out, had to go back to stock. Cost me install / uninstall charges.

Moper corsa exhaust from my dealer..$1200.00 & I had to remove the rear resonaters $50.00 to achive the sound I was expecting from it in the first place!

Buying a 06 when i could bought a 08 or 09 with the better interior and better bumpers and alcoa stamped wheels!

But stock vs stock 06 is faster!! ;)

MPH TCM, paid them i think 1k and now i can get mopar for 400.00..... ouchhh

MPH TCM, paid them i think 1k and now i can get mopar for 400.00..... ouchhh

Trust me you have the Best TCM $ can buy for our Jeeps .

Trust me you have the Best TCM $ can buy for our Jeeps .
thanks i feel better now , i tought it would be the same thing as the mopar

MPH TCM, paid them i think 1k and now i can get mopar for 400.00..... ouchhh

Yeah don't feel bad bro. Your MHP TCM is alot better for daily drivability then the MPTCM IMO and I tried getting one a few weeks ago and they are no longer available anymore.

Nobody is showing as much e/t improvements with the MHP tcm as they are with the Mopar tcm....

Ask Harrison, Junior, and a couple others

My Mopar Tcm is great and its daily driving manners are good for me. It actually tamed my somewhat harsh downshifts from the blue tops.

i got a blow up doll for the back seat of the jeep...havent showed her off yet since its winter...so idk if its a worthless money yet :/

i got a blow up doll for the back seat of the jeep...havent showed her off yet since its winter...so idk if its a worthless money yet :/

Atleast now u can climb back there and use it with out anybody bustin your ballz

My girlfriend might get jealous...so I don't use it...just use it for someone to talk to on long trips lol...its snookie for jersey shore haha...she's chillin in the garage on the dirtbike right now

what's new peeps? i know ya'll have some more buyers bewares

Buying a vehicle that had Goodyear RS-A's on it. Stupid things, cant even sell 2 brand new rears for $100 and Id throw in $40 for shipping. Its like no one wants these things, glad Jeep got their **** together for '12.

Buying a vehicle that had Goodyear RS-A's on it. Stupid things, cant even sell 2 brand new rears for $100 and Id throw in $40 for shipping. Its like no one wants these things, glad Jeep got their **** together for '12.

I would buy them but I all ready have 2 extra sets and 5 yrs on my original rears.

Getting rid of my vortech before moving out to Denver and buying the ksport coilovers. They are the biggest pieces of ****, one of my front struts constantly hits on bumps and one rear shock is leaking.

Getting rid of my vortech before moving out to Denver and buying the ksport coilovers. They are the biggest pieces of ****, one of my front struts constantly hits on bumps and one rear shock is leaking.

Glad I did not jump on that K Sport coilover groupbuy..... What was wrong with your Vortech Phil?

Glad I did not jump on that K Sport coilover groupbuy..... What was wrong with your Vortech Phil?

It was an impulse thing to take it off. I had just came home from Afghanistan on vacay and a week later my fuel pump blew out, so my truck spent the next 2 weeks in the shop while I was running around doing everything I needed to do in my girls escape. I was pissed, so I had heads, cam, headers and intake manifold installed instead.

Now living here at this altitude, seeing the Times that I run up here...I wish I still had it

It was an impulse thing to take it off. I had just came home from Afghanistan on vacay and a week later my fuel pump blew out, so my truck spent the next 2 weeks in the shop while I was running around doing everything I needed to do in my girls escape. I was pissed, so I had heads, cam, headers and intake manifold installed instead.

Now living here at this altitude, seeing the Times that I run up here...I wish I still had it

Oh I see.... Yeah Wink seems to ne running pretty good up there.... Well you can always get another one bro....

Oh I see.... Yeah Wink seems to ne running pretty good up there.... Well you can always get another one bro....

I am thinking of doing something to help up here, just not sure which route I want to go right now

bump......

Still hate my Ksports. Both of the front struts arr blown and one of the rear shocks is leaking. I feel like I am riding in an old school caddy with the front floating the way it does. These are HUGE pieces of shit!

20% tint....

I should have gone straight to 5% !

Other than that, I'm pretty happy about everything else.

Volant CAI........should have bought one I can hear. 


- Red Eight

.......also the cheap metal SRT grill badge. I should have bought an OEM adhesive style and put it on with 3M body tape.


- Red Eight

.......also the cheap metal SRT grill badge. I should have bought an OEM adhesive style and put it on with 3M body tape.


- Red Eight

Yup go cheap and you will end up paying more down the road.... I still have the OEM SRT emblem......

Yup go cheap and you will end up paying more down the road.... I still have the OEM SRT emblem......

Did yours come with the tape already on the back?


- Red Eight

I regret buying the vortech believe it or not...wish I woulda gone 426 or waited an had stage 6 do a turbo or junior.

Did yours come with the tape already on the back?


- Red Eight

No.... I had my bodyshop doing some other work on my Rig at the time install it for me with some 3M adhesive.

vortech v3 kit ,
they day i put it on i noticed hp breeds hp , now i have found myself with a shr tranny on the way and forgies and rods and fuels system , AAAAWWW FARRRRRRRK me ,
missus is gonna divorce me .

Its threads like this, and people that live close that keep me from buying something I will regret..

I do a ton of research on a part before I buy it...

So I havent been dissapointed in anything ive done..

my headlights. i wish i would have gotten the painted ones form dan and called it a day. and all the exhausts ive had and modified. a corsa would have been right from the get go...and much cheaper.

Moper corsa exhaust from my dealer..$1200.00 & I had to remove the rear resonaters $50.00 to achive the sound I was expecting from it in the first place!


LOVE my Corsa!