**Sarge vs. junior666** [Archive]

sarge

03-06-2010, 02:52 PM

Chris had a 1.544 and a 1.547 60' with the MT Street IIs. Chris's best was 11.68 @ 111 with 1.544 60'! Is that a record 60'?

When he broke the driveshaft, Bill had pulled his transfer case motor as a test. The reason for this was that the MT tires in the rear were too far off from the fronts and the TC was having an issue with the difference. Chris was 'topping' out at 5000-5100 RPM in 3rd and 4th gear on his runs.

Right now we're waiting a tow truck to take us to Arrington Engines for a driveshaft. Sarge's Jeep was towed to a local Jeep dealership. I'm not sure of the details there but upgrading the axles will be a must as the power is just too much for them.

Sarge's Jeep was running on 110 race gas with the passenger seat pulled. :D

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Actually it had 5/6gal pump Sunoco 100 and 1 gallon of leaded 110, which had I known would not have happened. There goes the cats and 02 sensors!

We were able to get it to tolerate 2 degrees over the 91 tune. Obviously it liked that combo.

How bad could it really have been, you broke an axle. Nice 11.5.

Has anyone ever broke a Jeep axle before?

They had to feather it out of the hole because it lit up all 4 sides according to Bill. The Nitto Invo's are a great street tire.....terrible track tire.

I have never heard of an axle breaking but it does have alot of hard launches on the stock axles.

Andy......my Jeep still MPH faster by quite a bit and Chris has a HUGE cam compared to my little cam. There goes the theory on smaller cams.

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Andy

03-06-2010, 03:01 PM

Andy

03-06-2010, 03:03 PM

They had to feather it out of the hole because it lit up all 4 sides according to Bill. The Nitto Invo's are a great street tire.....terrible track tire.

You had a 1.60 60ft which is one of your best if not the best and according to the driver, he was punching it very hard out of the hole and said track prep was great with little to no tire spin.

sarge

03-06-2010, 03:10 PM

Junior has never been that low on his mph, he obviously had other issues. You obviously do not know how a camshaft works. A larger cam does not always mean high mph.

If I were to grind a 228/232 115LSA camshaft and a 228/232 110LSA camshaft, how will they differ at the track?

Let me call it how I see it........Modello's parts kick the crap out of PPP/PWR/Arrington....etc, etc. Sorry dude we stomped 2 weeks in a row without me prepping it or driving it...lol!!!!

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Andy

03-06-2010, 03:15 PM

sarge

03-06-2010, 03:23 PM

What were all the 60ft times???

Who cares.....its a 1/4 mile not 60' drag racing!

PWR has no fight in either of the 2 races. Who holds the record still anyway? As I said earlier 11.8080 vs 11.8085 is far from a stomping.

So why get all defensive with hypothetics about plugs, fuel,constipation etc, etc???

Getting beat is beat!! No excuses no cry babies....heads up that day racing is all that counts. One off times slips are easy to get with prep and your fastest track. As soon as I have my Jeep back and get back to SAC I will have one too. That and $2.00 will get me a Starbucks house coffee!!

WEST takes East two weeks in a row......that is fact!!

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YoungMedic23

03-06-2010, 03:28 PM

This whole east vs west saga has been nothing but arrogant propaganda turned into excuses and avoidance of the facts

*Signing out*

Andy

03-06-2010, 03:34 PM

Who cares.....its a 1/4 mile not 60' drag racing!

So why get all defensive with hypothetics about plugs, fuel,constipation etc, etc???

Getting beat is beat!! No excuses no cry babies....heads up that day racing is all that counts. One off times slips are easy to get with prep and your fastest track. As soon as I have my Jeep back and get back to SAC I will have one too. That and $2.00 will get me a Starbucks house coffee!!

WEST takes East two weeks in a row......that is fact!!

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When did I get defensive? I never brought up spark plugs, that was someone else. The only time I commented on spark plugs was in response to your moronic statement claiming plugs have no affect on a cars performance. As a matter of fact, I congratulated you on both wins and predicted you to win against Luis. You guys both have well built 426's, but yours has $10,000 in drivetrain parts so I never expected Luis to beat you that day.

By the way, who owns the record, I forgot?

As for excuses, you have more excuses than you have broken parts. First it was tires, then it was the driver, then it was the 93 octane. This week it was bad traction and the wrong kind of race gas. All those excuses after winning is typical narcissistic behavior.

By the way, who owns the record, I still cant seem to remember?

Dr.Steve

03-06-2010, 04:01 PM

congrats to two monster Jeeps on great runs. Hats off to Sarge again! Now go get those poor jeeps some huge bandaids!!!!

eadams9972

03-06-2010, 04:05 PM

USCG-charger

03-06-2010, 04:05 PM

Relax fellas... it was just a fun race.. I was obviously the "hired gun" to run Sarge's 426 Jeep b/c as Bill states, "driving does not get my rocks off"..lol.. Both Jeep ran pretty we considering the 15-20 head wind.. plus I never in my life drove a jeep.. so the very 1st run was like driving on ice with the tire pressure a 34ish.. I ran a 1.9 60' 12.10 @ 114.... no good...

after that I had to pedal a little until I got the hang of it... which resulted in back to back 11.5 runs with back to back 1.60 60's not bad for street tires... which BTW is crazy for all u guys who actually go to the track and run on them... kinda a no brainer to spend a few extra bucks a get DR's :thinkerg:

Anyways both jeep broke and we both sat on the side lines watching everyone else have at it.

Muellge

03-06-2010, 04:20 PM

lots of broken parts. Sorry to hear that. Wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I am a perplexed with the post mortem on the race results.

11.5 @ 115 in 46 degrees with 1.6 60 ft time. That's very good for n/a, but I am still looking for those .3 to .4 I was told it would yield. and this time with 46 degree weather, race gas, bumped tune and axel breaking traction that was described as "horrible":confused:. I'd have thought that a quicker 60 ft would put you faster than prior best at end of track, unless that 4.10 gearing is, dare I say it, slowing you down on the back end. :eek: It did give you a p/b 60 ft, which, stop light to stop light, can be enjoyed daily.

Heal up and get well soon. Jeeps look better out on the streets or tracks running.

lchevere

03-06-2010, 04:20 PM

Sounds like me might need to get a beast out of the midwest :smokin: to get you east/west coasters to relax and have fun, just enjoy what we have and save the animosity for Stangs, BMWs, Vettes and the like :argue:

A little birdie did tell me a monster build is coming from the Mid West. Can't wait to see it!

mklaus

03-06-2010, 04:26 PM

This whole east vs west saga has been nothing but bragging turned into excuses and avoidance of the facts

*Signing out*

deff agree. it was all in good fun but now it has lost it. I'm not going to even go into having someone else drive your car for you and call it a "win" Congrats to both pulling off some awesome times!

JerseyBoy@Stage6

03-06-2010, 05:47 PM

Man, it's getting deep in here...;) Too Bad there wasn't more then 1 days notice. Sounds like all partys involved could have used more time to prep. Would have been nice to see everyone bring thier A-Game for once...

J

whitehemi

03-06-2010, 06:30 PM

What a fun couple of weeks except for the cry babies. LOL

Nothing trumps a side by side or both Jeeps at the track on the same day Nothing:D Godzilla has taken the East! Mondello rules:) Steve is God;) I am the best installer on the planet:eek: FTMFW:boohoo: Bill your a good sport and very Professional. :D

I can hardly wait to get that Jeep back here to California and tweak it a little..... :pinklove:

16 people watching this thread?????At 5:41 pac stdrd time

jim383

03-06-2010, 06:42 PM

To be fair on the records, if you go to NHRA and look at ALL the class records 99% are all set back east and south east and not any in CA. Maybe we can set up a match race in CA to see just how they run out here. It was fun waiting for the outcome and as im on the west coast i am glad Steve won but theres a lot of credit to go around on all teams.

pjs1965

03-06-2010, 08:39 PM

Let me call it how I see it........Modello's parts kick the crap out of PPP/PWR/Arrington....etc, etc. Sorry dude we stomped 2 weeks in a row without me prepping it or driving it...lol!!!

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I'm sorry -- I don't see how you can claim victory when both drivers were running 'prep' runs for the head-to-head races and broke down. Since Bill added a converter, it was agreed that Jason 'take a few runs' to get comfortable launching the Jeep. He had some good runs and some NOT so good runs. They never raced head-to-head.

Chris was having issues with what the consensus believes was a tire size mismatch. The differential between the rears and fronts were causing the TC fits. His MPH (real low) were related to limited RPMs in 3rd and 4th gear as both sides were 'dialing-in' for the head-to-head races.

Claim what you want, it's your prerogative to do so, I'll respectfully disagree.

jim383

03-06-2010, 08:56 PM

I'm sorry -- I don't see how you can claim victory when both drivers were running 'prep' runs for the head-to-head races and broke down. Since Bill added a converter, it was agreed that Jason 'take a few runs' to get comfortable launching the Jeep. He had some good runs and some NOT so good runs. They never raced head-to-head.

Chris was having issues with what the consensus believes was a tire size mismatch. The differential between the rears and fronts were causing the TC fits. His MPH (real low) were related to limited RPMs in 3rd and 4th gear as both sides were 'dialing-in' for the head-to-head races.

Claim what you want, it's your prerogative to do so, I'll respectfully disagree.

I THINK THIS MATCH RACE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND WAS WHO RAN THE FASTEST ET NOT RACE EACH OTHER. If they raced each other in a heads up race that doesnt mean the fastest car always win. You can have the faster car but lose the race on a hole shot.

Chris Hull@TTC

03-06-2010, 09:11 PM

Actually it had 5/6gal pump Sunoco 100 and 1 gallon of leaded 110, which had I known would not have happened. There goes the cats and 02 sensors!

We were able to get it to tolerate 2 degrees over the 91 tune. Obviously it liked that combo.

They had to feather it out of the hole because it lit up all 4 sides according to Bill. The Nitto Invo's are a great street tire.....terrible track tire.

I have never heard of an axle breaking but it does have alot of hard launches on the stock axles.

Andy......my Jeep still MPH faster by quite a bit and Chris has a HUGE cam compared to my little cam. There goes the theory on smaller cams.

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You had an even mix of 100 1nd 110, I know this because I was right behind Bill.
My highest MPH was 118.78 which was on a 11.50 run. Is 1 mph quite a Bit?

Had major drivline tire height issues. My first out of the box with the Mickies I cracked an 1.547 60' and ran 11.72 A 109. By the way your best was an 11.57.

Your best time of the day was better than mine today I will give you that but thats it. I havent even come close to the potential in my Jeep.

I guess I just shouldd have lined up with Jason right away and not told him how to launch with the 4k converter I made 70 something passes learning how to control.

I guess Im not that cut throat. Claim what you will you are still behind me and Louis!!

lchevere

03-06-2010, 09:18 PM

I guess Im not that cut throat. Claim what you will you are still behind me and Louis!!

Oh snap! Way to keep clean and professional Junior. Yeah I know your beast still has more. You aren't running race fuel yet either right?

pjs1965

03-06-2010, 09:19 PM

I THINK THIS MATCH RACE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND WAS WHO RAN THE FASTEST ET NOT RACE EACH OTHER. If they raced each other in a heads up race that doesnt mean the fastest car always win. You can have the faster car but lose the race on a hole shot.

OK, Jason had the fastest ET today in Sarge's Jeep on Chris' WORST day. I'm fine that that characterization. Anything beyond that (like Mondello over PPP/Arrington et al) is just alot of hot air IMO.

Chris Hull@TTC

03-06-2010, 09:33 PM

Oh snap! Way to keep clean and professional Junior. Yeah I know your beast still has more. You aren't running race fuel yet either right?

LOL, not true Louis, I put 5 gallons of 100 and 2 of 110 to try and clean up my street tune for the track. I do not have a high octane tune. I have been tuned on 93 only and its not as simple as just throwing some timing at it and it will respond.

I was so pissed that the tires we not working out I asked Bill to pull my T case motor. Man I had a sick burnout, and when I launched I could feel my chest pulling forward and then wham!!

Oh well thats racing, I didnt have the fastest or quickest time today but I did have the best AWD 60' times in a Jeep just nudging your 1.55 with a 1.54. I know with a -800 DA I should have shattered my previous best but I didnt.

One thing is for certain, I have an 11.2 in this Jeep and I will prove it!! Thats a guarantee!!

Chris Hull@TTC

03-06-2010, 09:47 PM

I have been up since 2:30am, I am shot!! night

hawkman996

03-06-2010, 09:47 PM

This whole east vs west saga has been nothing but arrogant propaganda turned into excuses and avoidance of the facts

*Signing out*

I must agree with you here Paulie.

I congratulate Junior, Sarge, Bill, etc on putting this all together as these can be a lot of fun.

lchevere

03-06-2010, 09:51 PM

pjs1965

03-06-2010, 09:54 PM

BuilderBill

03-06-2010, 10:00 PM

HUGE amount of fun today...Some great PB by the LX guys.
What we can take from today was:
* A stock aluminum drive shaft and 1.5-1.6 60' AIN'T going to make it! We really new that.
* a stock set of axles (mixed with an 8.8 diff) are good till about 1.60 60'. Did not know where the breaking point was.

Other than that...I had a GREAT day and enjoyed some FAST Jeeps.:)
BTW Jason (USCG Charger) has a ride in ANY of my vehicles whenever he wants it.
Good friend, great driver...provides me a TON of terrific feedback.
My thrill is NOT in driving, but, in making these vehicles quicker through better driveline components.

OK...disclosure...REALLY thinking about pulling off my twin turbos that are ready to be installed in my rig, changing to high compression pistons and going 426 Arrington short block NA for a couple of months.
I'm betting 11.3 (equivalent track as today), anyone want to bet against me?:)
Bill

BuilderBill

03-06-2010, 10:03 PM

I must agree with you here Paulie.

I congratulate Junior, Sarge, Bill, etc on putting this all together as these can be a lot of fun.
Yep...keep these events the way they actually were in PERSON....FUN.:)
Bill

BuilderBill

03-06-2010, 10:09 PM

Hat's off to you Jason. You're one hell of a driver to get the hang of a Jeep SRT8 like Sarge's in just a couple of runs. It was a great day of racing that ended up like "WTF?". OK, time to get some sleep since it's been a long day for sure (up and on the go since 4AM).

10-4 on the sleep!
Kudos to Jason...I have watched him drive his smokin LX for over a year now and KNEW he was up to the task.
Pretty passionate guy who can drive well and give me TERRIFIC feedback.
2 thumbs up from Steve and I Jason...a HUGE thanks.
As we saw, the track got better and better for us until the stock axles gave in.
Bill

speedking1121

03-07-2010, 01:25 AM

BuilderBill

03-07-2010, 05:09 AM

wait...i'm a bit confused. why didn't sarge drive his Jeep? was he still in Cali? seems to be a lot of baby momma drama afterwards, but lessons were learned, right? this is a positive step forward for ALL involved and watching on the sidelines...hell, everything Bill learned today alone is going to make our Jeeps better! Congrats guys...i've got a feeling we still haven't seen the monsters set free yet and don't be surprised when some middle america Jeeps join in your reindeer games!

now who said something about sleep?! i'm right behind you!
Sarge sent his Jeep out to me to have some work done and in the process agreed to let me take it to the track and do some testing.

From what I have learned from the past couple of weeks....I will take the NA Jeeps to a new level before I install my twin turbos.

Bring on the middle america Jeeps!:)
Bill

teda

03-07-2010, 05:36 AM

Just to hijack for a moment. Great thread, and as one who no longer goes to the track, but still enjoys following all the efforts of the guys who truly put their heart and money into acheiving their goals, it is a great read.

Congratulations to both the owners, preparers, and drivers. Some great results. Keep them coming. And, as I said, absolutely great efforts, times and results, from two Jeeps whose owners do not "trailer" these things everywhere and can still drive these puppies on the street for the "light to light" stuff. I love it.

And, for Jason's literally first time with his ass in the seat of these bricks, he must have a"bionic" right foot. Damn, awesome results.

I will say though, that as usual, many of the most concise, non-whiny, unbiased, and very informative posts, seem to come from BB. Just mho.

Can't wait to see what the future will bring. Particularly Bill's decision to maybe forgo the turbos. :D:D

Muellge

03-07-2010, 05:52 AM

I'm betting 11.3 (equivalent track as today), anyone want to bet against me?:)
Bill

An 11.3 Et, well with 11.3 compression and all the other stuff, I think its doable, but that's not a lot better (.3 to .4) than the 11.4s and 11.5s that guys are running with 10.3 compression and stock diffs, and then you can't really boost it too much and keep it a daily driver. Better have some good gas in there if you run it on the ragged edge at 11.3 compression (ping ping ping...).

The breakage on Jr.s Jeep has got to be at least partly attributed to the sticky tires on Jr's jeep and, regardless of what anyone else says, good track prep. Guts for putting those tires on there on there! Don't like to read about broken stuff.

Lchevere is an example of great 60fts with stock diffs and axles and no breakage so I don't think you need all that to get there. P/I should give that guy his converter.

So at 11.3 if you're going high compression, no I wouldn't bet that, but if you're saying 11.1 na, which is .3 to .4 from the current numbers, then yes I am very skeptical of that number, unless you turn it into a rolling gas can or use stand alone controller or something else dramatic that alters it from how 99% of these jeeps run at the track (which is the same way they run to pick up kids or groceries), typical track prep notwithstanding.

Blown7

03-07-2010, 07:34 AM

As far as I am concerned a BIG Hats off to all that participated, and I'm sure with Mr BuilderBill around to witness the carnage that he will make some good improvements for all.
Again Congrats.

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Andy

03-07-2010, 08:34 AM

Cant wait to see what the new guy in Michigan runs with his 440 Jeep.

lchevere

03-07-2010, 08:57 AM

Cant wait to see what the new guy in Michigan runs with his 440 Jeep.

Yeah I am intersted in eadams9972 results. Good luck to him.

Toothmonger

03-07-2010, 09:37 AM

MatFab

03-07-2010, 09:56 AM

speedking1121

03-07-2010, 11:06 AM

same, i think its going to be a monster when done! don't count out Veyrons build either!

Cant wait to see what the new guy in Michigan runs with his 440 Jeep.
Yeah I am intersted in eadams9972 results. Good luck to him.
Come on Bill put the TT's on it...who doesn't want a TT beast?

sarge

03-07-2010, 12:39 PM

Relax fellas...
Anyways both jeep broke and we both sat on the side lines watching everyone else have at it.

Thanks Jason for taking the time to run my Jeep for Bill.

Your best time of the day was better than mine today I will give you that but thats it. I havent even come close to the potential in my Jeep.

Junior it wasnt personal and I apologize to you.

My frustration is with Andy who comes on here like a self-seeking, servile flatterer; fawning parasite that he is. He isnt a vendor here, he builds nothing since he contracts out to ERL and occassionally Arrington, he builds no heads or cams. He buys from the same vendors he took from PPP. Yet he is on here peddling his goods under the radar!!

He's like a parrot repeating what he hears or reads. I mean seriously what has he done??? Does he own a Jeep?? Does he run his Chrysler product at the local track and provide results?? Does he contribute to our community in a positive way that helps us?? Does he spend his own money to test and dyno or does he wait until a sap shows up with an open wallet??

So how does he get on here as an expert to recommend to us??

During the last get together with Luis and now this one he chimes in with his little veiled negative comments, twists on fact. He makes statements and excuses without being there or even having the facts....and is adimate that is how it happened!!!

If you dont know then STFU and stop making ass..umptions!

He calls me and states that Builder Bills products are inferior, how this part is better than that part.... how the competitiors he sells is much better and here is why. Well wait a minute, who made him the product expert around here?? I will tell you right now that I have broken one of Bill's products and never heard a wimper or hesitation from Bill to replace or stand by his products. Bill doesnt give credit or discounts so that doesnt make his products inferior(and you know who you are as well!) We all have different camps we align ourselves with, and so be it. But dont come on here telling me how good you are when you dont have any hard earned background, except what you took from your former employer.

Go search on this forum and other Chrysler product forums and you will find complaints about Andy far and wide. There are a few owners out there that he left without engines, broken parts, etc,etc.

Bottom line....... Andy lose my number!!!!!

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jim383

03-07-2010, 12:47 PM

By the way what were the final ET & MPH ON BOTH?

Knuckles

03-07-2010, 02:40 PM

Hmmmmm... Something fishy is going on here. Keoni's post is not here.

YoungMedic23

03-07-2010, 02:55 PM

http://www.takefiveaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/sarge-boot-camp-sign.jpg

Rambit

03-07-2010, 03:04 PM

Hmmmmm... Something fishy is going on here. Keoni's post is not here.
Nothing fishy. Can't link to a vendor forum on another site.

Bernie

Knuckles

03-07-2010, 03:07 PM

Nothing fishy. Can't link to a vendor forum on another site.

Bernie

Ok Got ya Bernie!

retro-king

03-08-2010, 08:10 AM

Actually it had 5/6gal pump Sunoco 100 and 1 gallon of leaded 110, which had I known would not have happened. There goes the cats and 02 sensors!

You don't seriously think 1 gallon of leaded fuel is gonna cause that kind of damage do you? I hope not. I've done it for years on many different apps... not one issue! However extended periods would be a different story.

Let me call it how I see it........Modello's parts kick the crap out of PPP/PWR/Arrington....etc, etc. Sorry dude we stomped 2 weeks in a row without me prepping it or driving it...lol!!!!

I am not biased toward any of the companies above as I have parts from all of them with the exception of Mondello, but I hardly think you can make a statment like that.

WEST takes East two weeks in a row......that is fact!!

Remind us again where all the parts on your Jeep came from please. LOL! :boohoo:

The only time I commented on spark plugs was in response to your moronic statement claiming plugs have no affect on a cars performance.

By the way, who owns the record, I forgot?

As for excuses, you have more excuses than you have broken parts. First it was tires, then it was the driver, then it was the 93 octane. This week it was bad traction and the wrong kind of race gas. All those excuses after winning is typical narcissistic behavior.

By the way, who owns the record, I still cant seem to remember?

Again, I am not biased, but I think Andy has a point here... At least for now!

Man, it's getting deep in here...;) Too Bad there wasn't more then 1 days notice. Sounds like all partys involved could have used more time to prep. Would have been nice to see everyone bring thier A-Game for once...

J

I'm sure I speak for many (not that I have that right) when I say we're with you on that! :D It would truly be nice to get everyone at the same track with plenty of notice and leave all the excuses and whining at home!

Oh well thats racing, I didnt have the fastest or quickest time today but I did have the best AWD 60' times in a Jeep just nudging your 1.55 with a 1.54.

Unfortunately, that's not entirely the case... You needed to add N/A to that statement as FLSRT8 (Chris Bronkie) owns that record with a 1.48 I believe.

Just wanted to point out that it's kinda sad that we have to turn this into what some have turned it into. We own a rare breed and it's too bad that we don't all try to support each other and work together and make these things all kick some serious ass at the track! Some of you sound like a bunch of high school girls! What a joke!:boohoo:

We can all learn something from somebody elses experience, can't we? I, for example, having previously been in the industry racing and dyno tuning many other platforms for years, will ask the questions I ask because I am somewhat new to the late model hemi's and there is a lot of knowledge that can be aquired through others prior experiences, especially on the tuning front. That's not to say that I take what someone says for gospel, but I can add it to my info bank, make an educated decision based on the attained facts and then go and test what I learned. There is not enough time in the day for most of us to test every aspect of the Jeeps performance so most of us are forced to rely on others experiences. It's not like there are a ton of these Jeeps out there! No one knows it all and there is not a clear cut winner as far as the parts go. There are also not many that are on the cutting edge as some are. Make no mistake, the Jeeps mentioned here aren't really on that edge either except possibly some drive train components, and those components are Jeep specific. It's not like our motor differs from the other hemi platforms, except in the fact that we seem to need to try to make more Tq for obvious reasons. Although, I don't think anyone has really tried to spin one of these things 7k or above in a jeep have they? There's nothing out of the ordinary or special about either vehicle mentioned. It's not like they are built with one off parts that are unattainable to the average layman. :confused: All it takes is money.

In the end, hopefully we'll all get past the East vs. West BS and the I ran this, but coulda ran that if I was here or there... the DA was this or that... the track prep was better or I didnt spin... I had this fuel, not that fuel or these plugs not those! You get the picture, right? Quite frankly we listen to most (not all) of you Cali bunch compaining about it more than anyone like you have the worst DA etc, etc, out there or something. You're not even close! Do you hear the Colorado guys *****in' up a storm? They don't because it's a given that they are gonna run slower and everyone knows that. They don't need to complain about it! Hell come on down to Florida for that matter! We'll give you a good old fashioned dose of DA here as well. We all know what plays a role in how fast you run, don't we? The facts are that you run what you run, and if you don't like what you're running where you're at, then go somewhere else! It's not that hard, is it?

Oh and one more thing... Just to be clear, the East is really the winner here as the fastest Jeep (that we know of) is here in Fl and built by an east coast company called Lewis Performance Machine (LPM)... Maybe you've heard of them? If not, you should familiarize yourself with their name! I am quite sure they'll be making a much bigger bang soon enough.

Andy

03-08-2010, 08:51 AM

Nicely said retro.

veyronSRT8@TTCreations

03-08-2010, 10:32 AM

...It would truly be nice to get everyone at the same track with plenty of notice and leave all the excuses and whining at home!.

this is one of the BEST ideas i have heard since joining this forum. ;) could you imagine all the Jeeps from all over? we could make a weekend out of it. Thinking this would be an awesome time...time for everyone to MAN UP!. lol

p.s. can see it now...."The Big Race" everyone gathering from all over the map in ???Vegas, Texas??? for this weekend long event. racing at day and having good times at night...who's down?

hawkman996

03-08-2010, 10:56 AM

Nicely said Retro. I'm tired of the DA, race weight, track prep, etc.

this is one of the BEST ideas i have heard since joining this forum. ;) could you imagine all the Jeeps from all over? we could make a weekend out of it. Thinking this would be an awesome time...time for everyone to MAN UP!. lol

p.s. can see it now...."The Big Race" everyone gathering from all over the map in ???Vegas, Texas??? for this weekend long event. racing at day and having good times at night...who's down?

I'd be down for sure.....wouldn't miss that event for anything!!!

JerseyBoy@Stage6

03-08-2010, 11:39 AM

Alot of the guys from Cali made the trek out for the LX Nationals last year in Ohio.

http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34037&highlight=lx+nationals

They are Jeep Friendly ;-) What do you guys say?

J

JerseyBoy@Stage6

03-08-2010, 11:41 AM

BTW, with all this east vs west debate, Where do the midwest guys fall? Who gets to lay claim to Wades record since he is in Texas? LOL

J

veyronSRT8@TTCreations

03-08-2010, 11:48 AM

BTW, with all this east vs west debate, Where do the midwest guys fall? Who gets to lay claim to Wades record since he is in Texas? LOL

J

guess it would be more of a East vs. Midwest vs. West. lol really wouldnt be a location thing...more of a huge get together where all who wish to run can run and those that just want to hang out, spectate, and show their SRT love can do so as well. I'm sure would result in some vendor bragging rights as well. lol

Newfiebullet

03-08-2010, 11:52 AM

DAM!!! I wonder if i could make it there, what province is ohio under? anyone know?

Maybe ill have the magna on my jeep by then............................

Newfie.

retro-king

03-08-2010, 12:06 PM

this is one of the BEST ideas i have heard since joining this forum. ;) could you imagine all the Jeeps from all over? we could make a weekend out of it. Thinking this would be an awesome time...time for everyone to MAN UP!. lol

p.s. can see it now...."The Big Race" everyone gathering from all over the map in ???Vegas, Texas??? for this weekend long event. racing at day and having good times at night...who's down?

If it can be done we would have to make it somewhere central to everyone and preferably with a good average DA 'cause you know the DA junkies are gonna have something to ***** about when they figure out that their car just doesn't run what it was supposed to run according to their calculations! This is a very important point based on what we've seen already!

Alot of the guys from Cali made the trek out for the LX Nationals last year in Ohio.

http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34037&highlight=lx+nationals

They are Jeep Friendly ;-) What do you guys say?

J

Not sure if I can make it, but I'll damn sure try. However, I'd like to see an all jeep event or TBSS and Jeep. At least if it was Jeep and TBSS the Jeep bretheren would surley put their differences aside and start to work together!

BTW, with all this east vs west debate, Where do the midwest guys fall? Who gets to lay claim to Wades record since he is in Texas? LOL

J

Good point, but then that would start a debate like where does the actual tuner live! :eek: LMAO!

veyronSRT8@TTCreations

03-08-2010, 12:11 PM

If it can be done we would have to make it somewhere central to everyone and preferably with a good average DA 'cause you know the DA junkies are gonna have something to ***** about when they figure out that their car just doesn't run what it was supposed to run according to their calculations! This is a very important point based on what we've seen already!

not sure people could complain about the DA or "corrected" times as everyone there would be subject to the same conditions. ;) i am hoping to have some presence out east once i go out to take a look at it here in the next few weeks, hopefully. even though i am trucking it back i think i may be able to get a few days out east for a few runs and such. ;)

af_maineiac

03-08-2010, 12:41 PM

retro-king

03-08-2010, 12:46 PM

not sure people could complain about the DA or "corrected" times as everyone there would be subject to the same conditions. ;)

Oh, they'll find a way... trust me! I can see it now... "but my normal tune is for +50,000 DA with 200 octane! How the hell am I supposed to tune for this kind of DA with only 6 months notice?" or... "This kind of DA scares my truck! I didn't even think it would start 'cause the muffler bearings aren't adjusted for it!!!" :rolleyes: Trust me it'll be something! LOL!

WHSTLR

03-08-2010, 12:58 PM

not sure people could complain about the DA or "corrected" times as everyone there would be subject to the same conditions. ;) i am hoping to have some presence out east once i go out to take a look at it here in the next few weeks, hopefully. even though i am trucking it back i think i may be able to get a few days out east for a few runs and such. ;)

Precisely!!! Throw the calculators away, and run at the same track on the same day and the excuses go away. Track prep, and DA become the same. The only way to change that would be to run nitrous! (DA anyways)
However if you run at seperate tracks DA and track prep really do matter. If you think it doesn't you are not a realist. Colorado and Florida are a great example of drastic differences in DA (as someone mentioned). The only thing I am not a fan of are the calculators. You ran what you ran at that track on that day with that DA.

WHSTLR

03-08-2010, 12:59 PM

Oh, they'll find a way... trust me! I can see it now... "but my normal tune is for +50,000 DA with 200 octane! How the hell am I supposed to tune for this kind of DA with only 6 months notice?" or... "This kind of DA scares my truck! I didn't even think it would start 'cause the muffler bearings aren't adjusted for it!!!" :rolleyes: Trust me it'll be something! LOL!
If it IS trully that bad....Nothing will change it!!

Chris Hull@TTC

03-08-2010, 01:13 PM

All I know is I cant wait to get Bills rear in my rig. Personally dont care about weather
just how i am going after the best 60' that Chris pulled in his Twin Turbo Monster!! 1.49 sounds atainable to me know after this weekend.

I am so glad things happened the way they did because one of those inferior vendors that were referred to happens to have my Jeep now and lets just say I saw their WET FLOW BENCH setup and not to mention a whole slew of sick stuff!!

Fortunately they are just as competitive as I am and dont be surprised when you see a new thread in the future titled,"First NA 10 second Jeep!!"

1BAMFR

03-08-2010, 01:44 PM

Where are we going to meet up this year to have a big race event?

1BAMFR

03-08-2010, 01:44 PM

veyronSRT8@TTCreations

03-08-2010, 01:46 PM

...Fortunately they are just as competitive as I am and dont be surprised when you see a new thread in the future titled,"First NA 10 second Jeep!!"

certainly is a BOLD statement. ;)

GodfatherSRT8

03-08-2010, 01:52 PM

Say what?????? :eek:

All I know is I cant wait to get Bills rear in my rig.

"

Chris Hull@TTC

03-08-2010, 01:56 PM

Say what?????? :eek:

LOL, let me clarify!!

http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/ChrisHullJunior666/jeepreardiffbill.jpg

Chris@LPM

03-08-2010, 02:01 PM

Chris Hull@TTC

03-08-2010, 02:09 PM

retro-king

03-08-2010, 02:15 PM

Fortunately they are just as competitive as I am and dont be surprised when you see a new thread in the future titled,"First NA 10 second Jeep!!"

certainly is a BOLD statement. ;)

That IS a very bold statement considering the additional power it will take to get a 4500-5000lb tank there based on what we've seen so far! Remember the faster you go the more power it takes to cut a tenth off, especially at this weight! Diminishing returns!!! Aint gonna happen by just switching heads I dont think, if that's what you mean!!! Don't get me wrong though, I really hope you do 'cause it'd be cool to see it!!! Good luck on your quest!

Chris Hull@TTC

03-08-2010, 02:22 PM

That IS a very bold statement considering the additional power it will take to get a 4500-5000lb tank there based on what we've seen so far! Remember the faster you go the more power it takes to cut a tenth off, especially at this weight! Diminishing returns!!! Aint gonna happen by just switching heads I dont think, if that's what you mean!!! Don't get me wrong though, I really hope you do 'cause it'd be cool to see it!!! Good luck on your quest!

:D:D:D;);););)

http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/ChrisHullJunior666/ist2_1523068-stirring-the-potpot.jpg

pjs1965

03-08-2010, 02:50 PM

Matt McKenzie

03-08-2010, 02:54 PM

Lets do it in Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

retro-king

03-08-2010, 03:44 PM

I think we should count all that would actually attend (no BS) and pick a spot accordingly. We should make a list...

Chris Hull@TTC

03-08-2010, 03:47 PM

I know where we can all finally meet, how about
FANTASYLAND!!

retro-king

03-08-2010, 04:16 PM

Lets do it in Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know where we can all finally meet, how about
FANTASYLAND!!

I was just there with harryballz yesterday!!! LOL! Actually, we had a pretty damn good time gettin' tanked around the world at Epcot on Friday night!

Seriously, I unfotunately think you're probably right, but I'd be down if we got serious about it for sure.

jim383

03-08-2010, 04:17 PM

No matter where you set up the race set down some rules so there wont be any BS.

Chris Hull@TTC

03-08-2010, 04:54 PM

Junior I bet it was a sick burnout. Did someone video the burnout? So what are your next plan with the tires? I agree racing is finding what works and what needs to be upgraded. Do you plan on pulling the T case motor again? It was cool meeting Bill again right? Oh and do you think your theory on springs and links helped you with your 60ft or more help from the tires? Oh and big thumbs up again to Bill for setting this up again!

We didnt get a video of the burnout. It was into 3rd gear!! Problem I am finding outwas my rearend was acting up during the week even with my 420's.

I will do it all next time at the track. I will start with my street tires this time in all wheel. Next I will put on the short 18's on all four corners also running all wheel. Next I will pull the t-case motor and leave on the shorties. Lastly I will do what I feel will perform the best. 2wd with the 305's in the rear and the 245's in front.

I almost forgot, the springs are the key!! With the Jeep lowered when I stall up the rear doesnt lift up. When it used to lift it would come down in the back first and then pull the front up. Now it just pulls the front up and goes. And boy does it go!! I think they are a must!!

WHSTLR

03-08-2010, 05:13 PM

I personally believe he can reach 10 sec NA. Remember its not all about power, yes you need a certain amount but at the point he is now he can just find the right rear end setup and lower his 60ft to reach his goal. I personally believe alot of guys are running at the right power level, just missing the correct drivetrain setup. The first 60ft is the key.

pjs1965

03-08-2010, 06:05 PM

I think we should count all that would actually attend (no BS) and pick a spot accordingly. We should make a list...

If this is a race to find the 'fastest NA Jeep' then start with a list of Jeep Owners who would compete for the title. From there, you can determine the best track/event to hold the race. We know we have contenders from East Coast and West Coast and one in MI. Is there any others?

I suggest we keep with IHRA or NHRA sanctioned tracks as they are the best maintained. Preferably on a normal track day unless there are sponsors willing to join in :D

I'd be curious how many people would travel to watch..... and lastly, there's no need to do all this work if people agree to show up at LX Nationals in July (Ohio). I know it's far for the Left Coast guys though.

lchevere

03-08-2010, 06:36 PM

We didnt get a video of the burnout. It was into 3rd gear!! Problem I am finding outwas my rearend was acting up during the week even with my 420's.

I will do it all next time at the track. I will start with my street tires this time in all wheel. Next I will put on the short 18's on all four corners also running all wheel. Next I will pull the t-case motor and leave on the shorties. Lastly I will do what I feel will perform the best. 2wd with the 305's in the rear and the 245's in front.

I almost forgot, the springs are the key!! With the Jeep lowered when I stall up the rear doesnt lift up. When it used to lift it would come down in the back first and then pull the front up. Now it just pulls the front up and goes. And boy does it go!! I think they are a must!!

Junior it sounds like you have a plan. Glad to hear the springs helped.

Muellge

03-08-2010, 06:40 PM

10's with an N/A motor with all the interior and still be a DD. I like to see that:D
[/QUOTE]

Getting it on tires that you actually drive around on would be an even bigger feat.

Chris Hull@TTC

03-08-2010, 06:49 PM

Getting it on tires that you actually drive around on would be an even bigger feat.[/QUOTE]

I didnt write that, that was Chris(Flsrt8). I think my issues were with the rear all along. I was having issues earlier i the week that seemed to subside. Not sure yet.

Muellge

03-08-2010, 07:15 PM

Getting it on tires that you actually drive around on would be an even bigger feat.

I didnt write that, that was Chris(Flsrt8). I think my issues were with the rear all along. I was having issues earlier i the week that seemed to subside. Not sure yet.[/QUOTE]

Yeah the quotes seemed off, but the point is that getting the time on the same meats you roll with would be really awesome. So many of the cars that tear up the track to get their times are useless on the street because they don't have traction. That's what's fun about our jeeps, but on the track, get the most you can any way you can.

Chris Hull@TTC

03-08-2010, 07:22 PM

Yeah the quotes seemed off, but the point is that getting the time on the same meats you roll with would be really awesome. So many of the cars that tear up the track to get their times are useless on the street because they don't have traction. That's what's fun about our jeeps, but on the track, get the most you can any way you can.

Rolling on the same tires would be cool also. I will have results for a variety of tire setups to see which is the best. The springs definetely made a huge difference. All my tires are DOT approved and have been driven on the street but I wouldn't use them everyday.

Also I have to worry about snow or I would have had Vreds or NTO5's like you have. I wanted them badly but couldnt afford 2 sets at the time. Going to be fun!!

Muellge

03-08-2010, 07:25 PM

Rolling on the same tires would be cool also. I will have results for a variety of tire setups to see which is the best. The springs definetely made a huge difference. All my tires are DOT approved and have been driven on the street but I wouldn't use them everyday.

Also I have to worry about snow or I would have had Vreds or NTO5's like you have. I wanted them badly but couldnt afford 2 sets at the time. Going to be fun!!

Gonna give mine a run with stock springs as set up and then swtich to the eibachs for double blind taste test value - expecting reduced 60s as most everyone else has experienced.

Chris Hull@TTC

03-08-2010, 07:27 PM

Gonna give mine a run with stock springs as set up and then swtich to the eibachs for double blind taste test value - expecting reduced 60s as most everyone else has experienced.

Good luck, cant wait to see it run without a lazy 3rd gear!! How many miles on the motor?

Chris Hull@TTC

03-08-2010, 07:28 PM

Those front springs dont exactly fly on, you have to move stuff on both sides.

speedking1121

03-08-2010, 08:26 PM

i love the idea of a BIG Jeep track meet! i say we figure something out for Sept, somewhere where we can get everyone together...

Junior> LOVE the a/v! hahaha so whats next? new rear end, duh. but for 10's, N/A 10's of all things, what can you do that you haven't done already? heads/cam? low 60ft will get you closer...shed some weight?

Muellge

03-08-2010, 08:45 PM

about 350 miles.

Yeah, for the front you have to move the fuses and I guess the coolant reservoir. pia....

Chris@LPM

03-09-2010, 04:22 AM

Chris Hull@TTC

03-09-2010, 05:47 AM

Unfortunately he has not reach that HP level to reach 10's no mater what he does to his Drivetrain or his rear end.

Not gonna be at this level!!;) So how much do you figure I need?

1BAMFR

03-09-2010, 05:53 AM

650AWHP = 10's

jim383

03-09-2010, 05:54 AM

Not gonna be at this level!!;) So how much do you figure I need?

Chris the calulator says it would take N/A 698 hp at the crank at 4800 lbs to run a 10.99. All you guys need about 1/2 second to get there AND THATS NOT GOING TO BE EASY UNLESS YOU JUICE IT OR F/I IT.

Chris Hull@TTC

03-09-2010, 06:07 AM

Chris the calulator says it would take N/A 698 hp at the crank at 4800 lbs to run a 10.99. All you guys need about 1/2 second to get there AND THATS NOT GOING TO BE EASY UNLESS YOU JUICE IT OR F/I IT.

Yhe calculator is also telling me I am pushing 650 crank Hp, so I need a good 50 more!! Its coming, all motor!!

retro-king

03-09-2010, 06:12 AM

If this is a race to find the 'fastest NA Jeep' then start with a list of Jeep Owners who would compete for the title. From there, you can determine the best track/event to hold the race. We know we have contenders from East Coast and West Coast and one in MI. Is there any others?

I suggest we keep with IHRA or NHRA sanctioned tracks as they are the best maintained. Preferably on a normal track day unless there are sponsors willing to join in :D

I'd be curious how many people would travel to watch..... and lastly, there's no need to do all this work if people agree to show up at LX Nationals in July (Ohio). I know it's far for the Left Coast guys though.

I don't think we should make it just to find out who has the fastest n/a jeep. Gotta make it for everyone! Besides the fact that I don't have a horse in that race and wouldnt make the trek if i'm not racing!!!! LOL! we should divide things into classes...

Chris@LPM

03-09-2010, 06:33 AM

Chris the calulator says it would take N/A 698 hp at the crank at 4800 lbs to run a 10.99. All you guys need about 1/2 second to get there AND THATS NOT GOING TO BE EASY UNLESS YOU JUICE IT OR F/I IT.

I would not calculate it off the 4800. You have to take into consideration for add ons, fuel, driver, etc. The last time I checked, mine came in at 5110. 735hp needed.

Chris Hull@TTC

03-09-2010, 06:36 AM

I would not calculate it off the 4800. You have to take into consideration for add ons, fuel, driver, etc. The last time I checked, mine came in at 5110.

My race weight at E-Town with me in it was 4922. That and my trap speed of 118.78 calculate to 643 crank hp.

Chris@LPM

03-09-2010, 06:41 AM

Only a gain of 122, full interior?

Chris Hull@TTC

03-09-2010, 06:46 AM

Only a gain of 122, full interior?

Full interior, I have yet to remove anything form the Jeep. Ask Bill what my backseat looked like at VMP!! lol This is fun for me Chris, its even more fun that i cant afford any of it but manage to get by. The fun is in the journey for me!!:D

retro-king

03-09-2010, 06:51 AM

man i don't know dude... you're gonna have to come up with quite a bit of hp somewhere and i just don't think you can do it unless you completely change that combo around. I don't think 50 is gonna do it unless you put that thing on a serious diet!

Chris@LPM

03-09-2010, 06:51 AM

Im sure your getting plenty of help for all of your postings:pimp:

Chris Hull@TTC

03-09-2010, 06:57 AM

Well this is interesting, I just plugged Louis's 4650 race weight into my 643 hp and got 11.182 @ 121. Might have to go on a diet after all!! lol

Chris@LPM

03-09-2010, 07:00 AM

I beleive he took out his seats for that weight.

Chris Hull@TTC

03-09-2010, 07:04 AM

I beleive he took out his seats for that weight.

My 18" rims and tires weight less than stock also. I could remove the last section of stock exhaust too.

whitehemi

03-09-2010, 11:24 PM

You don't seriously think 1 gallon of leaded fuel is gonna cause that kind of damage do you? I hope not. I've done it for years on many different apps... not one issue! However extended periods would be a different story.

I am not biased toward any of the companies above as I have parts from all of them with the exception of Mondello, but I hardly think you can make a statment like that.

Remind us again where all the parts on your Jeep came from please. LOL! :boohoo:

Again, I am not biased, but I think Andy has a point here... At least for now!

I'm sure I speak for many (not that I have that right) when I say we're with you on that! :D It would truly be nice to get everyone at the same track with plenty of notice and leave all the excuses and whining at home!

Unfortunately, that's not entirely the case... You needed to add N/A to that statement as FLSRT8 (Chris Bronkie) owns that record with a 1.48 I believe.

Just wanted to point out that it's kinda sad that we have to turn this into what some have turned it into. We own a rare breed and it's too bad that we don't all try to support each other and work together and make these things all kick some serious ass at the track! Some of you sound like a bunch of high school girls! What a joke!:boohoo:

We can all learn something from somebody elses experience, can't we? I, for example, having previously been in the industry racing and dyno tuning many other platforms for years, will ask the questions I ask because I am somewhat new to the late model hemi's and there is a lot of knowledge that can be aquired through others prior experiences, especially on the tuning front. That's not to say that I take what someone says for gospel, but I can add it to my info bank, make an educated decision based on the attained facts and then go and test what I learned. There is not enough time in the day for most of us to test every aspect of the Jeeps performance so most of us are forced to rely on others experiences. It's not like there are a ton of these Jeeps out there! No one knows it all and there is not a clear cut winner as far as the parts go. There are also not many that are on the cutting edge as some are. Make no mistake, the Jeeps mentioned here aren't really on that edge either except possibly some drive train components, and those components are Jeep specific. It's not like our motor differs from the other hemi platforms, except in the fact that we seem to need to try to make more Tq for obvious reasons. Although, I don't think anyone has really tried to spin one of these things 7k or above in a jeep have they? There's nothing out of the ordinary or special about either vehicle mentioned. It's not like they are built with one off parts that are unattainable to the average layman. :confused: All it takes is money.

In the end, hopefully we'll all get past the East vs. West BS and the I ran this, but coulda ran that if I was here or there... the DA was this or that... the track prep was better or I didnt spin... I had this fuel, not that fuel or these plugs not those! You get the picture, right? Quite frankly we listen to most (not all) of you Cali bunch compaining about it more than anyone like you have the worst DA etc, etc, out there or something. You're not even close! Do you hear the Colorado guys *****in' up a storm? They don't because it's a given that they are gonna run slower and everyone knows that. They don't need to complain about it! Hell come on down to Florida for that matter! We'll give you a good old fashioned dose of DA here as well. We all know what plays a role in how fast you run, don't we? The facts are that you run what you run, and if you don't like what you're running where you're at, then go somewhere else! It's not that hard, is it?

Oh and one more thing... Just to be clear, the East is really the winner here as the fastest Jeep (that we know of) is here in Fl and built by an east coast company called Lewis Performance Machine (LPM)... Maybe you've heard of them? If not, you should familiarize yourself with their name! I am quite sure they'll be making a much bigger bang soon enough.

Not biased????? LOL Agenda driven? Maybe???

retro-king

03-10-2010, 06:38 AM

Not biased????? LOL Agenda driven? Maybe???

How is anything in this statement biased, if that is what you're eluding to? Not sure what my agenda would be either, but if you figure it out please feel free to let me know!!! LOL! I guess if it needs to have an agenda for you, we could start by working on getting all the players in the game to the same track with their A game and no excuses. Actually, this post was started 'cause I as well as many others are tired of all the BS and excuses, not to mention it'd just be good to have everyone get together for a Jeep shootout. I personally don't have anything aginst anyone here at all and I am just calling like most see it.

whitehemi

03-10-2010, 02:30 PM

How is anything in this statement biased, if that is what you're eluding to? Not sure what my agenda would be either, but if you figure it out please feel free to let me know!!! LOL! I guess if it needs to have an agenda for you, we could start by working on getting all the players in the game to the same track with their A game and no excuses. Actually, this post was started 'cause I as well as many others are tired of all the BS and excuses, not to mention it'd just be good to have everyone get together for a Jeep shootout. I personally don't have anything aginst anyone here at all and I am just calling like most see it.

LOL Your entire post wreaks of it. The fact that you don't even see the bias is evidence of your bias nature.

I'll admit to my biased. I'll never deny it either, the west coast won those races, as soon as anyone says I am not biased, or I'm not being bias. The fact is they are......

To slam one guy and then lay props to another in the same post is being biased. No disputing that......

So show us agian how your not biased....LOL

If you were truly calling it like you see it then you would have cleary seen the west won.....

Now when I lose it pisses me off.... And I get more determined, Sure I play nice and congradulate the winner as he has earned it. But make no mistake I am pissed and I will come back for my well earned Victory. Shoot I'll even rub it in if I know the guy well enough.....:D And I know Andy just well enough........:thinkerg: Come on Andy lets see what you got......:D

YoungMedic23

03-10-2010, 02:48 PM

Retro-king<Rambit>whitehemi
http://blog.justiceserved.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/mediate.jpg

Andy

03-10-2010, 02:51 PM

Why do people pay to go up tall buildings and then put money in binoculars to look at things on the ground?

veyronSRT8@TTCreations

03-10-2010, 02:59 PM

Why do people pay to go up tall buildings and then put money in binoculars to look at things on the ground?

you mean you waste your quaters like that Andy? everyone knows those are up there for the dummies. lol
p.s. j/k

retro-king

03-10-2010, 05:17 PM

LOL Your entire post wreaks of it. The fact that you don't even see the bias is evidence of your bias nature.

I'll admit to my biased. I'll never deny it either, the west coast won those races, as soon as anyone says I am not biased, or I'm not being bias. The fact is they are......

To slam one guy and then lay props to another in the same post is being biased. No disputing that......

So show us agian how your not biased....LOL

If you were truly calling it like you see it then you would have cleary seen the west won.....

Now when I lose it pisses me off.... And I get more determined, Sure I play nice and congradulate the winner as he has earned it. But make no mistake I am pissed and I will come back for my well earned Victory. Shoot I'll even rub it in if I know the guy well enough.....:D And I know Andy just well enough........:thinkerg: Come on Andy lets see what you got......:D

LOL! I am not sure how you see it as slamming anyone or giving props to anyone other than LPM who did actually put the fastest Jeep together so far and is poised to start making some more noise in the Hemi market. I backed Andy up 'cause he had good valid points. I really don't give a rats ass about the east vs. west to be honest! I don't care who won or who's stuff was on their car for that matter as that wasn't the point. I was just tired of the BS that kept/keeps coming up. If you really need me to go into specifics as to why I posted about it I can, but it isn't really worth arguing over if you ask me. I think I got the point across. It wasnt meant to slam Sarge, but more or less some of the BS flowing over these last two events. I have nothing at all against Sarge personally as he has always been forthcoming with his experiences when asked, but unfortunately some of what spurred this had content from some of his posts. Some of the statements posted about these races were really asenine as i would hope you would agree, biased or not. Again, I will state that while I made those statements, I had no biased intent whatsoever.

Retro-king<Rambit>whitehemi
http://blog.justiceserved.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/mediate.jpg

Now that's funny!!! LOL! I think you gotta make me a little bigger though!!! LMAO!

turbobuckeye

03-12-2010, 09:13 AM

LX Nationals is a great venue. It's central and has a nice showdown already setup.

Perhaps we need to check our map as a reference . . . http://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=143320 - for a nice location?

If this is a race to find the 'fastest NA Jeep' then start with a list of Jeep Owners who would compete for the title. From there, you can determine the best track/event to hold the race. We know we have contenders from East Coast and West Coast and one in MI. Is there any others?

I suggest we keep with IHRA or NHRA sanctioned tracks as they are the best maintained. Preferably on a normal track day unless there are sponsors willing to join in :D

I'd be curious how many people would travel to watch..... and lastly, there's no need to do all this work if people agree to show up at LX Nationals in July (Ohio). I know it's far for the Left Coast guys though.

We would be happy to have the Face-Off at the LX & Beyond Nationals. There is already a 6.1L Class and Unlimited Class for those of you that really want to go all out. Everybody on the same track in the same conditions.....the timeslips don't lie. Not to mention you'll have a large audience to witness the results.

retro-king

03-12-2010, 10:21 AM

We would be happy to have the Face-Off at the LX & Beyond Nationals. There is already a 6.1L Class and Unlimited Class for those of you that really want to go all out. Everybody on the same track in the same conditions.....the timeslips don't lie. Not to mention you'll have a large audience to witness the results.

That's cool, but are you willing to have Jeep only classes or how about breaking the classes down with a weight break? I ask 'cause what is the likelyhood of getting through the rounds for all the Jeeps against a ton of gutted lx cars etc in their class. It's not really very likely in the normal format.

turbobuckeye

03-12-2010, 11:54 AM

That's cool, but are you willing to have Jeep only classes or how about breaking the classes down with a weight break? I ask 'cause what is the likelyhood of getting through the rounds for all the Jeeps against a ton of gutted lx cars etc in their class. It's not really very likely in the normal format.

For 2010, the race classes/schedule is set. We could review adding "Jeep SRT only" classes for 2011 but we would need to see a significant (24-32 car) response from the Jeep SRT Community this year to make that feasible for next year. Previously we've only seen 2-3 show up and I would very much like to see ya'll better represented than that.

There's no reason why you would not be able to run your heads-up/grudge matches throughout the weekend. We just might be able to find a sponsor willing to sponsor a Jeep SRT8 award too. Again, that would more than likely hinge on what kind of response they see from ya'll. Don't forget that we have 3 bracket racing classes too.

The LX & BEYOND NATIONALS is a very good opportunity for the Jeep SRT Community to get some page time in the magazines, interact with the SRT Engineers, show-off what you got and hang with people that understand and enjoy the same cars you do. I'm throwing down the challenge for the Jeep SRT Group to show up in full-force this year!

Anthony