GotStroke?
04-17-2007, 01:14 PM
Picked the Jeep up from Stainless Works, and for now all I can say is WOW! Literally everyone that I've driven by on the side of the road or in their car/truck has looked to see what was making that glorious roar whenever I went more than one third throttle. The best part was the look on their faces when said individuals realized that it was an SUV, not a Vette or a Stang, that was cranking out that badass rumble. This system is not for the faint of heart, it absolutely screams at full or part throttle, however there is no more drone than stock when cruising.
Unfortunately the stock PCM decided to dump fuel and pull timing when doing the post exhaust tests, evidently black smoke was billowing from the tailpipes. It made 369rwhp/367rwtq on a Mustang Dyno before (176* stat and DUB Air CAI) and after the exhaust. There is little doubt in my mind that the torque sensing engine management DCX saw fit to give us is absolutely killing performance, which makes the decision to order a B&G stage II flash all that much easier--I expect the gains post flash to be large. Though I have to say it feels faster SOTP wise, especially when passing on the highway.
Stainless Works headers are compatible with the stock and other catbacks, and vice versa in that their catback will work with stock manifolds and other brands of headers.
On a side note I've since logged around 190 miles and in the process of doing so have averaged 16.1mpg in mainly highway driving. My best pre-exhaust was 14.1mpg again, almost purely highway.
Without further delay, pics and pricing:
Pics:
1 3/4" Primaries, 3" Collectors, and 3" metallic substrate 300cpi cats:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1957.jpg?t=1176865281
Close up Primary/Collector:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1946.jpg?t=1176865305
More Primaries, and Collectors:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1947.jpg?t=1176865353
Cats, X-pipe, and beginning of Resonators:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1949.jpg?t=1176865399
Cats/X-pipe/Resonators:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1950.jpg?t=1176865474
Close Up Cats/X-pipe/Resonators:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1951.jpg?t=1176865521
Resonators:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1952.jpg?t=1176865560
Resonators/X-pipe/Cats:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1955.jpg?t=1176865584
Tailpipes, Mufflers, Resonators, and X-pipe:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1954.jpg?t=1176865721
Exterior Shots:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1985.jpg?t=1177174801
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1982.jpg?t=1177174827
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1974.jpg?t=1177174871
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1977.jpg?t=1177224003
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1979.jpg?t=1177223976
Sound Clip:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/th_StainlessWorksJeepExhaust.jpg (http://s145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/?action=view¤t=StainlessWorksJeepExhaust.flv)
Pricing:
2006-2007 Jeep SRT8 6.1
6075337
2006-2007 Jeep SRT8 6.1L Hemi headers only.
1 3/4" primary tubes, 3" slip-fit collectors. Primary tubes are d shaped and an exact match to the factory cylinder head.
Includes (1) 10" long front o2 extension
6.1L
Jeep SRT8
$999.00
607533767
2006-2007 Jeep SRT8 6.1L Hemi headers only with 3" off road pipes. 1 3/4" primary tubes, 3" slip-fit collectors.
Primary tubes are d shaped and an exact match to the factory cylinder head.
Includes (1) 10" long front o2 extension, 3" off road pipes, (2) donut gaskets, 4 1/2" bolts, 8 1/2" flatwashers, 4 nuts, 4 lockwashers, and 7 accuseal clamps
6.1L
Jeep SRT8
$1,299.00
60753372
2006-2007 Jeep SRT8 6.1L Hemi headers only with 3" off road pipes. 1 3/4" primary tubes, 3" slip-fit collectors.
Primary tubes are d shaped and an exact match to the factory cylinder head.
Includes (1) 10" long front o2 extension, (2) 24" rear o2 extensions, 3" catted connector pipes with metal matrix converters, (2) donut gaskets, 4 1/2" bolts, 8 1/2" flatwashers, 4 nuts, 4 lockwashers, and 7 accuseal clamps
6.1L
Jeep SRT8
$1,499.00
607228
2006-2007 Jeep SRT8 6.1L catback exhaust.
(2) 20" long 3 1/2" body resonators (2 1/2" cores), (2) 14" body, 4X8 chambered mufflers (center in/out), (2) 5 1/2" overall length 3" id slash cut rolled edge tips, (4) clamp/hanger assemblies, (8) 3" accuseal clamps, (2) donut gaskets, 4 1/2" bolts, 8 1/2" flatwashers, 4 nuts, and 4 lockwashers
6.1L
Jeep SRT8
$1,199.00
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Additional exhaust info Q&A for those interested:
1) How are optimal primary diameter and length determined for a specific vehicle or application?
We use a computer modeling program which determines the mean effective gas speed which is optimal for the engine we are developing a header for. We use the results as a starting point and then fine tune the tube length, and collector diameter on the chassis dyno.
2) What are the advantages of a stepped vs. non stepped, and equal vs. non equal length header design?
Stepped headers typically “can” work well, from our experience, on an engine with no backpressure (open headers) that has a narrow RPM band that it needs to make peak power at. The reason I say can is because it really depends on the camshaft, cylinder head, rpm range-it is very application specific. In our experience on a street car with full exhaust, the cost increase in building a stepped header is not justified by the very small power gains you “may” see.
Another fallacy we hear is that equal length headers will always make more power. If the headers tubes are equal flow, meaning that each tube flows exactly the same, then this may be true if each cylinder is burning the air fuel mixture exactly the same-same air fuel ratio, same blowdown period when the exhaust valve opens, etc. In reality, the intake manifold will not flow exactly the same from runner to runner, the head will flow slightly different from port to port, etc-there are a million variables before the headers that make each cylinder a little different-On something like a Pro Stock engine this is not the case as the builder spends hundreds of hours working on things like the valve depth in the head to make each chamber CC exactly the same.
Equal length headers do not mean equal flow-some header builders put unnecessary bends in the header tubes to make them equal length-the problem is that doing this makes them equal in length but the three 90 degree bends you just added to get the lengths equal have now upset the flow in the tube. In general, the fewer the bends the better, and on a street car with full exhaust equal length headers will not make a measure-able difference.
3) What specific SS alloy is best to use for headers/exhaust, and what advantages does it have over other alloys? What are the differences between the different grades of stainless (304, 321, 409…..?)
Stainless is an excellent choice for exhaust systems due to its corrosion resistance. Starting in the early 90’s most OEM manufacturers went to 409 stainless for the increased durability and corrosion resistance-the EPA mandated that exhaust/emissions systems be warranted for 5 years minimum. 304 stainless, specifically, the Everlast grade that Stainless Works uses exclusively, will not rust or corrode over time (unless exposed to excessive amounts of road salt). Unlike aluminized steel, it will not rust from the inside out due to the corrosive fluids produced during combustion. All of Stainless Works 304 Everlast systems have a lifetime guarantee against defects in materials and workmanship.
Without getting into the specifics of metallurgical properties, 409 is what is typically used on OEM applications. It has fair corrosion resistance, is magnetic due to the high ferrite content, but is a less expensive material than 304. 409 is not an ideal material for a performance/restoration exhaust system because it will turn color (brownish/rust) from being exposed to the atmosphere without ever being run. For OEM’s who never care what the exhaust system looks like, it is a decent material that will last long enough to get past the warranty period. 304 stainless has much better corrosion resistance than 409. 304 will not turn color from sitting exposed to the atmosphere, and will only discolor slightly from getting extremely hot. The best thing about 304 is that you can maintain it with a scotch bright pad if you ever spill oil on it or have it discolor. Stainless Works only uses Everlast 304 stainless, which is a premium mil spec grade of stainless that is slightly more expensive than standard stainless, but is processed much more closely and is more consistent.
4) AT what HP level do you see conventional cats becoming restrictive to power production?
OEM converters are designed to support the power levels that the engine was originally designed for-when more power is added over the factory rating, the converter will be a restriction. OEM cats are well designed for the factory engine configuration and power output-most of the later model ones we now see are metallic substrate, with a high cell count per inch-good for lasting 50,000+ miles and still maintaining emissions compliance, but bad from a performance standpoint when the vehicle is modified. If the vehicle is stock, the factory cats will really not be a restriction-if they are designed properly, which is usually the case. The OEM’s design the engine and emissions package together, and they want to make it as efficient as possible so that they can not only extract as much power as possible, but so that the engine is more efficient and uses less fuel.
5) Why are longtubes superior to "shorty" type headers?
Shorty headers used to be effective when factory manifolds were designed very poorly-the castings had a lot of flash, the ports were poorly shaped and inconsistent, etc. With today’s technology, factory manifolds are really nice-the castings are very high quality and the factory engineers typically do a nice job in the design. We only build shorty headers for street rod applications for vehicles that long tubes will simply not fit-the power a header produces is due to the primary length that we can add with a long tube. Shorty headers are not really any better than factory manifolds-save your money!!
6) What affect does the placement (distance from motor) of the crossover have on performance?
Typically, as close to the engine as possible but the converters also have to be as far up as possible so that they light off. With a supercharged engine, it is not as critical as n/a applications.
7) What processes does SWs use that are unique or different from other exhaust manufacturers, basically what makes SWs the best exhaust on the market and why?
We make everything in house-we have nearly $1,500,000 in equipment so that we can control everything we make. We are the only exhaust company with (2) cnc laser cutters in house, we have (2) 6 axis digitizing arms, a state of the art McKee tube bender, and an 80 ton press brake. We also dyno everything we sell, and do installations at our shop. We race what we sell and depend on our customers to help us grow our business. We know that we provide the best service in our business, and back all of our headers and exhaust systems with a limited lifetime warranty.
Unfortunately the stock PCM decided to dump fuel and pull timing when doing the post exhaust tests, evidently black smoke was billowing from the tailpipes. It made 369rwhp/367rwtq on a Mustang Dyno before (176* stat and DUB Air CAI) and after the exhaust. There is little doubt in my mind that the torque sensing engine management DCX saw fit to give us is absolutely killing performance, which makes the decision to order a B&G stage II flash all that much easier--I expect the gains post flash to be large. Though I have to say it feels faster SOTP wise, especially when passing on the highway.
Stainless Works headers are compatible with the stock and other catbacks, and vice versa in that their catback will work with stock manifolds and other brands of headers.
On a side note I've since logged around 190 miles and in the process of doing so have averaged 16.1mpg in mainly highway driving. My best pre-exhaust was 14.1mpg again, almost purely highway.
Without further delay, pics and pricing:
Pics:
1 3/4" Primaries, 3" Collectors, and 3" metallic substrate 300cpi cats:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1957.jpg?t=1176865281
Close up Primary/Collector:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1946.jpg?t=1176865305
More Primaries, and Collectors:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1947.jpg?t=1176865353
Cats, X-pipe, and beginning of Resonators:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1949.jpg?t=1176865399
Cats/X-pipe/Resonators:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1950.jpg?t=1176865474
Close Up Cats/X-pipe/Resonators:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1951.jpg?t=1176865521
Resonators:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1952.jpg?t=1176865560
Resonators/X-pipe/Cats:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1955.jpg?t=1176865584
Tailpipes, Mufflers, Resonators, and X-pipe:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1954.jpg?t=1176865721
Exterior Shots:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1985.jpg?t=1177174801
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1982.jpg?t=1177174827
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1974.jpg?t=1177174871
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1977.jpg?t=1177224003
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/IMG_1979.jpg?t=1177223976
Sound Clip:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/th_StainlessWorksJeepExhaust.jpg (http://s145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/Fourcam330/?action=view¤t=StainlessWorksJeepExhaust.flv)
Pricing:
2006-2007 Jeep SRT8 6.1
6075337
2006-2007 Jeep SRT8 6.1L Hemi headers only.
1 3/4" primary tubes, 3" slip-fit collectors. Primary tubes are d shaped and an exact match to the factory cylinder head.
Includes (1) 10" long front o2 extension
6.1L
Jeep SRT8
$999.00
607533767
2006-2007 Jeep SRT8 6.1L Hemi headers only with 3" off road pipes. 1 3/4" primary tubes, 3" slip-fit collectors.
Primary tubes are d shaped and an exact match to the factory cylinder head.
Includes (1) 10" long front o2 extension, 3" off road pipes, (2) donut gaskets, 4 1/2" bolts, 8 1/2" flatwashers, 4 nuts, 4 lockwashers, and 7 accuseal clamps
6.1L
Jeep SRT8
$1,299.00
60753372
2006-2007 Jeep SRT8 6.1L Hemi headers only with 3" off road pipes. 1 3/4" primary tubes, 3" slip-fit collectors.
Primary tubes are d shaped and an exact match to the factory cylinder head.
Includes (1) 10" long front o2 extension, (2) 24" rear o2 extensions, 3" catted connector pipes with metal matrix converters, (2) donut gaskets, 4 1/2" bolts, 8 1/2" flatwashers, 4 nuts, 4 lockwashers, and 7 accuseal clamps
6.1L
Jeep SRT8
$1,499.00
607228
2006-2007 Jeep SRT8 6.1L catback exhaust.
(2) 20" long 3 1/2" body resonators (2 1/2" cores), (2) 14" body, 4X8 chambered mufflers (center in/out), (2) 5 1/2" overall length 3" id slash cut rolled edge tips, (4) clamp/hanger assemblies, (8) 3" accuseal clamps, (2) donut gaskets, 4 1/2" bolts, 8 1/2" flatwashers, 4 nuts, and 4 lockwashers
6.1L
Jeep SRT8
$1,199.00
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Additional exhaust info Q&A for those interested:
1) How are optimal primary diameter and length determined for a specific vehicle or application?
We use a computer modeling program which determines the mean effective gas speed which is optimal for the engine we are developing a header for. We use the results as a starting point and then fine tune the tube length, and collector diameter on the chassis dyno.
2) What are the advantages of a stepped vs. non stepped, and equal vs. non equal length header design?
Stepped headers typically “can” work well, from our experience, on an engine with no backpressure (open headers) that has a narrow RPM band that it needs to make peak power at. The reason I say can is because it really depends on the camshaft, cylinder head, rpm range-it is very application specific. In our experience on a street car with full exhaust, the cost increase in building a stepped header is not justified by the very small power gains you “may” see.
Another fallacy we hear is that equal length headers will always make more power. If the headers tubes are equal flow, meaning that each tube flows exactly the same, then this may be true if each cylinder is burning the air fuel mixture exactly the same-same air fuel ratio, same blowdown period when the exhaust valve opens, etc. In reality, the intake manifold will not flow exactly the same from runner to runner, the head will flow slightly different from port to port, etc-there are a million variables before the headers that make each cylinder a little different-On something like a Pro Stock engine this is not the case as the builder spends hundreds of hours working on things like the valve depth in the head to make each chamber CC exactly the same.
Equal length headers do not mean equal flow-some header builders put unnecessary bends in the header tubes to make them equal length-the problem is that doing this makes them equal in length but the three 90 degree bends you just added to get the lengths equal have now upset the flow in the tube. In general, the fewer the bends the better, and on a street car with full exhaust equal length headers will not make a measure-able difference.
3) What specific SS alloy is best to use for headers/exhaust, and what advantages does it have over other alloys? What are the differences between the different grades of stainless (304, 321, 409…..?)
Stainless is an excellent choice for exhaust systems due to its corrosion resistance. Starting in the early 90’s most OEM manufacturers went to 409 stainless for the increased durability and corrosion resistance-the EPA mandated that exhaust/emissions systems be warranted for 5 years minimum. 304 stainless, specifically, the Everlast grade that Stainless Works uses exclusively, will not rust or corrode over time (unless exposed to excessive amounts of road salt). Unlike aluminized steel, it will not rust from the inside out due to the corrosive fluids produced during combustion. All of Stainless Works 304 Everlast systems have a lifetime guarantee against defects in materials and workmanship.
Without getting into the specifics of metallurgical properties, 409 is what is typically used on OEM applications. It has fair corrosion resistance, is magnetic due to the high ferrite content, but is a less expensive material than 304. 409 is not an ideal material for a performance/restoration exhaust system because it will turn color (brownish/rust) from being exposed to the atmosphere without ever being run. For OEM’s who never care what the exhaust system looks like, it is a decent material that will last long enough to get past the warranty period. 304 stainless has much better corrosion resistance than 409. 304 will not turn color from sitting exposed to the atmosphere, and will only discolor slightly from getting extremely hot. The best thing about 304 is that you can maintain it with a scotch bright pad if you ever spill oil on it or have it discolor. Stainless Works only uses Everlast 304 stainless, which is a premium mil spec grade of stainless that is slightly more expensive than standard stainless, but is processed much more closely and is more consistent.
4) AT what HP level do you see conventional cats becoming restrictive to power production?
OEM converters are designed to support the power levels that the engine was originally designed for-when more power is added over the factory rating, the converter will be a restriction. OEM cats are well designed for the factory engine configuration and power output-most of the later model ones we now see are metallic substrate, with a high cell count per inch-good for lasting 50,000+ miles and still maintaining emissions compliance, but bad from a performance standpoint when the vehicle is modified. If the vehicle is stock, the factory cats will really not be a restriction-if they are designed properly, which is usually the case. The OEM’s design the engine and emissions package together, and they want to make it as efficient as possible so that they can not only extract as much power as possible, but so that the engine is more efficient and uses less fuel.
5) Why are longtubes superior to "shorty" type headers?
Shorty headers used to be effective when factory manifolds were designed very poorly-the castings had a lot of flash, the ports were poorly shaped and inconsistent, etc. With today’s technology, factory manifolds are really nice-the castings are very high quality and the factory engineers typically do a nice job in the design. We only build shorty headers for street rod applications for vehicles that long tubes will simply not fit-the power a header produces is due to the primary length that we can add with a long tube. Shorty headers are not really any better than factory manifolds-save your money!!
6) What affect does the placement (distance from motor) of the crossover have on performance?
Typically, as close to the engine as possible but the converters also have to be as far up as possible so that they light off. With a supercharged engine, it is not as critical as n/a applications.
7) What processes does SWs use that are unique or different from other exhaust manufacturers, basically what makes SWs the best exhaust on the market and why?
We make everything in house-we have nearly $1,500,000 in equipment so that we can control everything we make. We are the only exhaust company with (2) cnc laser cutters in house, we have (2) 6 axis digitizing arms, a state of the art McKee tube bender, and an 80 ton press brake. We also dyno everything we sell, and do installations at our shop. We race what we sell and depend on our customers to help us grow our business. We know that we provide the best service in our business, and back all of our headers and exhaust systems with a limited lifetime warranty.