Well the time has come........tomorrow on Saturday 1/30/10 at Famoso Raceway we get to see Paulie finally run her down the track or run her into the wall.

He will be sporting a race tune, race gas, and at the top of his game with his game face in full race "gimme 10's" mode!!.

Get to bed early Paulie!!!!

I will be there to witness the debut of the beast......cant wait!!!:D:D



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Good luck on the 10's Paulie!

Good luck! Don't blow it up!

Which tires are you running?

I hope you'll be there with an HD video camera, Steve. :)

gl paulie hope u get some 10's

Good Luck Paulie, lets see what that puppy can do!!

http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/ChrisHullJunior666/chomping_at_the_bit_for_new_busines.jpg

I hope you'll be there with an HD video camera, Steve. :)



I'll be all over it......blow by blow reports!



I only wish I had my Jeep!
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Good luck Paulie....
Maybe you should send your rig East!!!!!;)
BBill

Sarge videos Please :D !!!!! 10's if he gets traction .

Good luck!!

Let's see those 10's :D

Good Luck Paulie....Lets see some 10's

Good Luck!
Dont forget the camera! ;)

Giver hell Bro

Good luck Paulie....
Maybe you should send your rig East!!!!!;)
BBill


Bill my Jeep should arrive in your hands by Friday!



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Hey Sarge, lets see that camera action! Go get em Paulie! Do it for the West Coooaaaast! Haha! Good luck.

Good luck.....dont forget to check your oil! :)

good luck bro, i want another awesome video of course

good luck from me as well and as was said before represent the west coast!!!!

Best of luck paulie:) this should be a hot thread for sure!

what kind of rubber is he going to be running on tomorrow? Any one know??

Dont forget the camera!

Even if he struggles with traction off the line, I think he's got the power up top to pull off a 10

I cant wait to see this

Good Luck Paul!!! I will only accept 10's from you Pauly:D

Even if he struggles with traction off the line, I think he's got the power up top to pull off a 10

He already pulled off a 1.59 he will do it again, its a track rental eventually he will hook and find out why its soo hard to hit 10's.

^ :eek: damn!!

He already pulled off a 1.59 he will do it again, its a track rental eventually he will hook and find out why its soo hard to hit 10's.

you probably right :eek:

you probably right :eek:

I didnt mean he wont, just that he will see why it is so hard.:)

Our last outting he couldnt hook at all. His 60' against me was 2.08 and against LYLE i think he got into the hi 1.60s.

Our last outting he couldnt hook at all. His 60' against me was 2.08 and against LYLE i think he got into the hi 1.60s.

The problem is he was used to stab and steer, you cant do that when your making that much torque where the converter hooks.

i have the 4k converter and I have to stall it up to 3k then let off brake, let it start to roll, push down slightly then nail it. It takes alot of practice and if I spin I short shift into 4th gear at 90 mph instead of 100 mph and lose .3 tenths !!

Good luck!!! Can't wait to see the outcome!!!

The problem is he was used to stab and steer, you cant do that when your making that much torque where the converter hooks.

i have the 4k converter and I have to stall it up to 3k then let off brake, let it start to roll, push down slightly then nail it. It takes alot of practice and if I spin I short shift into 4th gear at 90 mph instead of 100 mph and lose .3 tenths !!

Hes got the power as i had him by .65 at the 60' and he caught me just b4 the lights and beat me by .04
The DA looks good this SAT morning as of 7:35 am its -27 ft.

Hes got the power as i had him by .65 at the 60' and he caught me just b4 the lights and beat me by .04
The DA looks good this SAT morning as of 7:35 am its -27 ft.

He's going to have to be sub 7 second 1/8 to get there. None of the lx's in the 10's ran higher than 6.99 in the 1/8th mile.

He's going to have to be sub 7 second 1/8 to get there. None of the lx's in the 10's ran higher than 6.99 in the 1/8th mile.

The run against LYLE i think he ran a 7.42 and thats with a hi 1.60 60'.
FAMOSO is faster than IRWINDALE. I hope he does it but i dont think hes going to hook as at 8 am the humidity is at 84%.

The run against LYLE i think he ran a 7.42 and thats with a hi 1.60 60'.
FAMOSO is faster than IRWINDALE. I hope he does it but i dont think hes going to hook as at 8 am the humidity is at 84%.

Here are my 2 best 1/4's and 1/8's.



http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/ChrisHullJunior666/1145016.jpg

Here are my 2 best 1/4's and 1/8's.



http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/ChrisHullJunior666/1145016.jpg

I think at FOMOSO he can match your 1/8 if he hooks. Its - 11 ft at 8:30 am there now.

He's going to have to be sub 7 second 1/8 to get there. None of the lx's in the 10's ran higher than 6.99 in the 1/8th mile.

+1.............For him to reach the 10's he'll need to crack off at least a 6.90 1/8th mile

+1.............For him to reach the 10's he'll need to crack off at least a 6.90 1/8th mile

If he hooks he can still hit a 10.99 with a 7.00 1/8 but it could go either way.
the DA there at 9am is +103 ft but the humidity is 84%.

Good luck Paulie....
Maybe you should send your rig East!!!!!;)
BBill

So Bill why is Sarge shipping his rig to you? For racing on east coast or R&D,

So Bill why is Sarge shipping his rig to you? For racing on east coast or R&D,

Probably a little of both. Btw, what time is Paul running today?

We're with you Paulie!!! http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/crowd.gif

Good luck Paul UR gonna get there. His first pass was 11.14 @ 123 with 1.75 60' on a hot day!!

Good luck Paul UR gonna get there. His first pass was 11.14 @ 123 with 1.75 60' on a hot day!!

Oh he's there for sure :D!!! WOW He's got some nuts on top end uh ?

Yeah Paulie Keep Going! He's At 11.14 Then 11.05 Then 11.08 Still Spinning With 60' Of 1.60!!!

Yeah Paulie Keep Going! He's At 11.14 Then 11.05 Then 11.08 Still Spinning With 60' Of 1.60!!!

Are you there !!! post up some videos man !!!so lowest 11.08 with 1.60 60' what's his 1/8 ?

I hope soemone is getting video.

Are you there !!! post up some videos man !!!so lowest 11.08 with 1.60 60' what's his 1/8 ?

Just posting what he texted me! He's cooling off right now and I have no doubt that he will get 10's before the afternoon is over!

Hey Sarge, lets see that camera action! Go get em Paulie! Do it for the West Coooaaaast! Haha! Good luck.

I got plenty of video.....his Arrington 426 is like mine.....makes tons of torque. He has major traction issues all the way past the 60' light.....big patches of rubber............ between the Vortech and Spankin Time/Adams tune this thing is screaming out of the hole. Paul is seeing exactly what I have been fighting putting 500hp to the wheels....."HAL dont like it". Alot of short shifting and traction control. The Jeep is NOTHING like the LX.....a complete different tune, driveline and traction control parameters.

Good luck.....dont forget to check your oil! :)

At the end of the day his was was down on oil. All these forged engines burn some major oil. Mine does the same thing......2 quarts after a hard day of running!!

what kind of rubber is he going to be running on tomorrow? Any one know??

Nitto drag radials.

I hope soemone is getting video.

I got plenty of great video of his launches and runs down the track.....DA was 1500+.....his best run was 11.05@124. He will post them shortly.



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I thought he was bragging about 10's........kind of disappointed.

Who the hell are you!! Why are you going around bashing everyone's threads!!

I thought he was bragging about 10's........kind of disappointed.

Rick G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^^^ Rick haven't you learned your lesson messing with Paulie?? LOL

Strong runs there Paul. Sooo close, like an imaginary wall or something. Happy that you're bringing us along for the ride and showing us your first set of hard runs set on kill, not just oh, I've got a 10.xx after like months of unpublicized track runs with a bunch of new stuff that took months or years to get working. Journey as much fun as the destination. Glad you're sharing both.

He should of went through the pitts looking for some guy or gal 100 lbs lighter than him lol.

He should of went through the pitts looking for some guy or gal 100 lbs lighter than him lol.

I would NEVER :eek:

Pauilie has trouble keeping his own car away from the wall.... I cant imagine a little girl trying to handle that beast :eek::eek:

Bad idea...

I would NEVER :eek:

Pauilie has trouble keeping his own car away from the wall.... I cant imagine a little girl trying to handle that beast :eek::eek:

Bad idea...

Theres a lot of gal running faster cars than PAULIE that can handel his ride. To bad TAMERA wasnt there.

^thats whatsup!
I wanna meet some of those chicks

and if shes good lookin that's a keeper! :bigthumb:

Good runs Paulie.... I was hoping for 2 Jeeps to hit 10's this weekend but 1 and your runs were pretty damn good. You'll be there soon enough bro. Keep trying!

Yeah nice runs there Paul! I know you will hit it bro!! So where them videos at Paul?? I wanna see the Beast in action!!!

A couple of tweaks here and there Paulie, along with a well prepped track. Even with the tires you have, your gonna hit the 10's.

BTW My first run snapped my head back pretty hard. Have Adam look at the 3rd and 4th gear part of the tune? That was where it seemed to drop off a little. Maybe there is something that can be done? I know it has more mph in it?

A couple of tweaks here and there Paulie, along with a well prepped track. Even with the tires you have, your gonna hit the 10's.

BTW My first run snapped my head back pretty hard. Have Adam look at the 3rd and 4th gear part of the tune? That was where it seemed to drop off a little. Maybe there is something that can be done? I know it has more mph in it?

Did your son drive his jeep also as hes a lot lighter?

A couple of tweaks here and there Paulie, along with a well prepped track. Even with the tires you have, your gonna hit the 10's.

BTW My first run snapped my head back pretty hard. Have Adam look at the 3rd and 4th gear part of the tune? That was where it seemed to drop off a little. Maybe there is something that can be done? I know it has more mph in it?

Did LONNIE drive his jeep also as hes a lot lighter?

Did LONNIE drive his jeep also as hes a lot lighter?

I did take it for a couple of runs, Paulie drove it mostly. Paulie is getting good at handling the power to no traction ratio.

Did LONNIE drive his jeep also as hes a lot lighter?


Jim.......Paul drove it all day long. Lonnie drove it twice and ran slower. They are also approximately the same weight.

Like I told you on several occassions.....DA within 500 feet and 50lbs makes no difference....trust me! I have driven my Jeep and run better times than Lonnies son on the same day within 20 minutes of each other....and my big ass outweighs him by 100lbs!!! Your over thinking this stuff......and obviously you have not been around our track outings enough to see first hand and understand the traction issues beyond just the tires.

When you have a 5,000lb "boxed shape" vehicle with open diffferentials and speed sensors at the front and rear wheel hubs/electronic traction control, your going to need more than 600hp to get into the 10's....it is what it is!


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Why not just slap on some 18 inch rims with drag radials or slicks the weight saving should do it no?

I here ya STEVE as me and LYLE swapped rides and he is 75 lbs lighter than me and ran .03 slower than i did.

11.05!?! :eek::eek::eek:

EPIC!! Congratulations Paulie! Keep making those adjustments and you'll definitely be in the coveted 10-second club before you know it.
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Ya Paule has that Jeep down pretty darn good, When I drove it, it bucked a few times during the runs. Steve was thinking it was traction control? I think Paulie got a 1.60 60' I was leaving from an idle, Paulie stalled it up a bit. Paulie knows his Jeep....

Why not just slap on some 18 inch rims with drag radials or slicks the weight saving should do it no?

Again, if you have never driven a 500+hp open differential front and rear drive SRT8 Jeep, its just not that simple, especially with the "right now" torque of a built 426 or even NOS on a 6.1 out of the gate. That is why the turbo guys are more successful at this point in my opinion. The turbo comes on gradually and they bust it out the back door.

First of all the Jeep is NOT all wheel drive..... the front driver side and passenger rear are the power wheels.....on a hard high horsepower launch the Electronic Traction Control communicating with the wheel sensors will "see" the rear wheel spinning and losing traction....at that point it will apply additional traction to the front wheel...that wheel is the left side.

Now, imagine launcing... and on your way to a 1.6 (or better) 60' and again your rear wheel is spinning/lossing traction.....immediately your ETC will tell the transfercase to send additional power up front .... up to 50% of your Torque/Horsepower to the front wheel (to aid traction)......now your left front wheel breaks loose and that wheel starts spinning and your headed to the wall or at minimal you feel your 5000lb Jeep begin to pull or jerk left.....with that kind of "g" force that quickly coming on, its takes some experience to stay on the throttle, its just a bit intimidating.

So this is not a question of weight saving, that will only make the situation at this point worse. I believe before we solve the rear wheel spinning issue, the front diffferential needs to be stabilized so during a high horsepower/torque launch you have 100% complete traction from the front and not the "steering wheel pull" associated with a front wheel drive vehicle.

I have watched my Jeep haze the front and rear tires over and over again regardless of if I clicked off a 1.6/60'..... Paul only clicked off one or two 1.6 and each time his drag radials were absolutely screaming front and back.


Bill are you listening?????:thinkerg:


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Once these Jeeps get figured out? They will haul the mail.

LOL,,,,,,"If I disagree with you, it's only because your wrong!",,,,,,LOL

Paulie/Sarge.....How bad is you spinning out out of the hole? Your 60 fts. are nice!

Congrats Paul, Lonnie I bet that was fun huh?

gotcha, no one makes LSDs or lockers to solve that?! so really these are not AWD then?

Paulie/Sarge.....How bad is you spinning out out of the hole? Your 60 fts. are nice!

I am hazing my tires all the way past the 60' light.......Paulie is laying down a patch of dark rubber past the 60' light and he is running the same Nitto drag radials as you.

If he stalls it up it helps but his tires are breaking loose and just SCREAMIN!!!!


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I am hazing my tires all the way past the 60' light.......Paulie is laying down a patch of dark rubber past the 60' light.

If he stalls it up it helps but his tires are breaking loose and just SCREAMIN!!!!


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Was he running 555's all around??

gotcha, no one makes LSDs or lockers to solve that?! so really these are not AWD then?

I just had my Jeep shipped to BuilderBill for a final touch which will include
4:10 gears and a Ford 8.8 back and Dana44 front both with Detroit TruTracs.

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Congrats Paul, Lonnie I bet that was fun huh?

It sure was....Nice Jeep too.....

I just had my Jeep shipped to BuilderBill for a final touch which will include
4:10 gears and a Ford 8.8 back and Dana44 front both with Detroit TruTracs.

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sweet, that I take it will make all the difference in the world then right?

Was he running 555's all around??

sweet, that I take it will make all the difference in the world then right?

I have great expectations for the set up. One night in the predriveshaft problem...... I 3/4 throttled it in the rain and it launced straight without a slip or pull in either direction.

Was he running 555's all around??

?????????????

I have great expectations for the set up. One night in the precdriveshaft problem...... I 3/4 throttled it in the rain and it launced straight without a slip and pull in either direction.
I was just checking them out on their site, that should go down as the first mod to buy but they are quite expensive. That sounds awesome! by the sounds of the traction issues if everyone in the low 11's got those we would have 10 sec jeeps all over

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nitto nt05 drag radials

Again, if you have never driven a 500+hp open differential front and rear drive SRT8 Jeep, its just not that simple, especially with the "right now" torque of a built 426 or even NOS on a 6.1 out of the gate. That is why the turbo guys are more successful at this point in my opinion. The turbo comes on gradually and they bust it out the back door.

First of all the Jeep is NOT all wheel drive..... the front driver side and passenger rear are the power wheels.....on a hard high horsepower launch the Electronic Traction Control communicating with the wheel sensors will "see" the rear wheel spinning and losing traction....at that point it will apply additional traction to the front wheel...that wheel is the left side.

Now, imagine launcing... and on your way to a 1.6 (or better) 60' and again your rear wheel is spinning/lossing traction.....immediately your ETC will tell the transfercase to send additional power up front .... up to 50% of your Torque/Horsepower to the front wheel (to aid traction)......now your left front wheel breaks loose and that wheel starts spinning and your headed to the wall or at minimal you feel your 5000lb Jeep begin to pull or jerk left.....with that kind of "g" force that quickly coming on, its takes some experience to stay on the throttle, its just a bit intimidating.

So this is not a question of weight saving, that will only make the situation at this point worse. I believe before we solve the rear wheel spinning issue, the front diffferential needs to be stabilized so during a high horsepower/torque launch you have 100% complete traction from the front and not the "steering wheel pull" associated with a front wheel drive vehicle.

I have watched my Jeep haze the front and rear tires over and over again regardless of if I clicked off a 1.6/60'..... Paul only clicked off one or two 1.6 and each time his drag radials were absolutely screaming front and back.


Bill are you listening?????:thinkerg:


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First of all, 1.6sec 60’ is a great number.
Secondly spinning the tires off the starting line is not an enemy but a good friend for a nice launch….and overall for a nice ET.
Everything spins…..if it doesn't spin then you get tire shake….or seriously break parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttOe4rerLo

Launching at 1.6 (or slightly better) in a Jeep does not need any super special skills or any serious experience.
It’s easy to control the beast even sideways….and definitely you can stay full throttle even at 600 or 700 WHP.

A 100% absolute 4x4 SRT8 with spools in the diffs and all electronic systems turned completely off at 600 WHP and above….would become much more difficult to handle and drive, especially on a good prepped strip.
At this stage you would need special skills and experienced drivers.
The beast would become nervous like most 4x4 absolute machines……and it might become dangerous for the everyday sportsman driver.

Here are few examples of 4x4 beasts with 100% AWD. They are all over the place....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQZZkKAYMag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0pi7xSKM6g

Look how he battles with the steering wheel to keep the car in a straight line:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiSptlw-L_U

The Mercedes automatic transmission would improve things compared to a manual gearbox, but my point is that spools and lockers would make the SRT8 quicker but more difficult to handle and drive.
And it will not improve significantly 60'. Reducing the weight of the car is the solution for better 60' = better ET's.
1.6sec or slightly better, is already a great achievement for a 5000 lbs brick.

Just for a little more insite, when I spin out of the hole I short shift into fourth gear at 90 mph instead of at 100 mph and add 3 tenths to my time.These are Jeeps, not rear wheel cars. Sarge has made more passes with his Jeep than I have and I made 45, 37 nand 32 on 3 different track rentals. Youi do not want to spin with the Jeep!!First of all, 1.6sec 60’ is a great number.
Secondly spinning the tires off the starting line is not an enemy but a good friend for a nice launch….and overall for a nice ET.
Everything spins…..if it doesn't spin then you get tire shake….or seriously break parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttOe4rerLo

Launching at 1.6 (or slightly better) in a Jeep does not need any super special skills or any serious experience.
It’s easy to control the beast even sideways….and definitely you can stay full throttle even at 600 or 700 WHP.

A 100% absolute 4x4 SRT8 with spools in the diffs and all electronic systems turned completely off at 600 WHP and above….would become much more difficult to handle and drive, especially on a good prepped strip.
At this stage you would need special skills and experienced drivers.
The beast would become nervous like most 4x4 absolute machines……and it might become dangerous for the everyday sportsman driver.

Here are few examples of 4x4 beasts with 100% AWD. They are all over the place....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQZZkKAYMag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0pi7xSKM6g

Look how he battles with the steering wheel to keep the car in a straight line:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiSptlw-L_U

The Mercedes automatic transmission would improve things compared to a manual gearbox, but my point is that spools and lockers would make the SRT8 quicker but more difficult to handle and drive.
And it will not improve 60'. Reducing the weight of the car is the solution for better 60'.
1.6sec or slightly better, is already a great achievement for a 5000 lbs brick.

Just for a little more insite, when I spin out of the hole I short shift into fourth gear at 90 mph instead of at 100 mph and add 3 tenths to my time.These are Jeeps, not rear wheel cars. Sarge has made more passes with his Jeep than I have and I made 45, 37 nand 32 on 3 different track rentals. Youi do not want to spin with the Jeep!!

I am not talking about RWD cars. The examples I posted are all true and real 4x4 cars.

I know that you all have great experience racing SRT8's but you need to spin even with a Jeep :)
Everything has to spin off the starting line.

I've been 1.698sec 60' (12.69 quartermile @ 180kmh) with a bone stock SRT8 back in 2006, 4 years ago, on a bad and slippery strip at sea level....spinning the tires.

Look how he battles with the steering wheel to keep the car in a straight line:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiSptlw-L_U



Old Shep...... I wonder how his Jeep is doing? We haven't seen him around here much lately. My buddies shop orders trannys from them a bunch for all the EVO's in town. GREAT tranny builder!!!


I've been 1.698sec 60' (12.69 quartermile @ 180kmh) with a bone stock SRT8 back in 2006, 4 years ago, on a bad and slippery strip at sea level....spinning the tires.

Which SRT8 ran that time?

I am not talking about RWD cars. The examples I posted are all true and real 4x4 cars.

I know that you all have great experience racing SRT8's but you need to spin even with a Jeep :)
Everything has to spin off the starting line.

I've been 1.698sec 60' (12.69 quartermile @ 180kmh) with a bone stock SRT8 back in 2006, 4 years ago, on a bad and slippery strip at sea level....spinning the tires.

Fastfil..........I don't know you or have never heard of you but all your previous post make 100% complete sence. I get the feeling you know what the he!! you're talking about when you speak of 1/4 mile drag racing.

I would agree too if you had all 4 wheels (locked axles) spinning at the same rate it would cause for some serious sideways action.

When I was just running bolt-ons...you could just drop the hammer from a dig and be GONE.....Now with 572 AWHP, I had to re-learn how to launch....feather it out the hole, then tromp on it and still spins. I'm running the Nitto drag radials too.

I am not talking about RWD cars. The examples I posted are all true and real 4x4 cars.

I know that you all have great experience racing SRT8's but you need to spin even with a Jeep :)
Everything has to spin off the starting line.

I've been 1.698sec 60' (12.69 quartermile @ 180kmh) with a bone stock SRT8 back in 2006, 4 years ago, on a bad and slippery strip at sea level....spinning the tires.

Is this a Jeep SRT 8 you are talking about? Seems a lil too fast for a stock one if it is.

Old Shep...... I wonder how his Jeep is doing? We haven't seen him around here much lately. My buddies shop orders trannys from them a bunch for all the EVO's in town. GREAT tranny builder!!!


Which SRT8 ran that time?

Yes GREAT tranny builder, but most of his Mitsubishi stuff comes from Australia (PPG).

As for which SRT8……Mine. My very first one.....
Easy to do with a EU 2006 spec.
Much lighter at important areas.
No roof (minus 18 kilograms)
Lighter wheels. EU 2006 models have 8 x 20” wheels all around.
8 x 20” are 13.5 kilograms each (9 x 20” are 15.2 kilograms and 10 x 20” are almost 17.0 kilograms).
Add the heavier wider tires most people run and it makes a big difference at the area where you don't want weight.
I had 245/45 ZR20 all around. Much lighter than the beefy tires most people use.
Carefully tuned with VP MS109, air filter removed from the air box.....
...and 12,7s were a piece of cake (with approved FIA RaceAmerica timing equipment for 0-402,336meters, which is your official quartermile).

I will post you videos.

I apologize for the off-topic in a great thread.
Fil

Yes GREAT tranny builder, but most of his Mitsubishi stuff comes from Australia (PPG).

As for which SRT8……Mine. My very first one.....
Easy to do with a EU 2006 spec.
Much lighter at important areas.
No roof (minus 18 kilograms)
Lighter wheels. EU 2006 models have 8 x 22” wheels all around.
8 x 22” are 13.5 kilograms each (9 x 22” are 15.2 kilograms and 10 x 22” are almost 17.0 kilograms).
Add the heavier wider tires most people run and it makes a big difference at the area where you don't want weight.
I had 245/45 ZR20 all around. Much lighter than the beefy tires most people use.
Carefully tuned with VP MS109, air filter removed from the air box.....
...and 12,7s were a piece of cake (with approved FIA RaceAmerica timing equipment for 0-402,336meters, which is your official quartermile).

I will post you videos.

I apologize for the off-topic in a great thread.
Fil

So you used a tool to figure the 1/4 numbers correct and not an actual track run ?

Well Fil.... no offense but your Jeep was tuned, not stock like you said originally. That what I was wondering about. Big difference between "bone stock" and tuned.;)

So you used a tool to figure the 1/4 numbers correct and not the actual track run ?

No it is an actual track run....plenty of times.
Not only with just one stock SRT8 but with others too.

And I edited "22" wheels". I meant 20" :)

Well Fil.... no offense but your Jeep was tuned, not stock like you said originally. That what I was wondering about. Big difference between "bone stock" and tuned.;)

Ok. Bone stock I meant, nothing installed. Standard exhaust, no CAI, OEM plugs, everything stock..... just air filter removal and MS109 in the fuel tank.
How do you call this? Mildly tuned?

No it is an actual track run....plenty of times.
Not only with just one stock SRT8 but with others too.

And I edited "22" wheels". I meant 20" :)

oh got ya :)!!!

Last off-topic from me.
Here are 3 runs. Bad quality video on a bad quality supposed strip (military airfield), no track preparation, except some for the 1st 60'...

Definitely you can hear the tires spinning :):)

I know that the Jeep looks ridiculous on 8 x 20" wheels but it helps getting quicker down the track, when you don't have the extra HP ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdhJ6g9UDcg

Fastfil..........I don't know you or have never heard of you but all your previous post make 100% complete sence. I get the feeling you know what the he!! you're talking about when you speak of 1/4 mile drag racing.

I would agree too if you had all 4 wheels (locked axles) spinning at the same rate it would cause for some serious sideways action.

When I was just running bolt-ons...you could just drop the hammer from a dig and be GONE.....Now with 572 AWHP, I had to re-learn how to launch....feather it out the hole, then tromp on it and still spins. I'm running the Nitto drag radials too.

1BAMFR, I think I know few things.......being plenty of times at 1.02 to 1.03 60' and few times at a flat 1.000, but I am still learning every day more.....
And this forum is the best place where you can learn many things on GCSRT8's and meet some nice and interesting people.

Yes GREAT tranny builder, but most of his Mitsubishi stuff comes from Australia (PPG).

As for which SRT8……Mine. My very first one.....
Easy to do with a EU 2006 spec.
Much lighter at important areas.
No roof (minus 18 kilograms)
Lighter wheels. EU 2006 models have 8 x 20” wheels all around.
8 x 20” are 13.5 kilograms each (9 x 20” are 15.2 kilograms and 10 x 20” are almost 17.0 kilograms).
Add the heavier wider tires most people run and it makes a big difference at the area where you don't want weight.
I had 245/45 ZR20 all around. Much lighter than the beefy tires most people use.
Carefully tuned with VP MS109, air filter removed from the air box.....
...and 12,7s were a piece of cake (with approved FIA RaceAmerica timing equipment for 0-402,336meters, which is your official quartermile).

I will post you videos.

I apologize for the off-topic in a great thread.
Fil

Ahh a man after my own ideas:D I have to agree VP109 and tuned properly you can run 12.5 or quicker;)

A little spinning is a good thing (Wheel Speed) but the amount of spinning that Sarge and Paulie are doing is causing some short shifting from 1st to 2nd, then inturn traction control takes over second gear. There is a fine line with these Jeeps computers and the 10 sec range, these two guys are figuring this stuff out one pass at a time. Now if they had stand alone computers and no wheel sensors? Much like the videoed cars that were shown? Different story all together...... Everything changes the faster you go. Different set of rules apply to what these hopeful 10 sec Jeeps are trying to accomplish and keep their almost stock appearance and sound compared to an all out race car.....

Here is your hot chick that can handle a fast ride. You can google her to see what she looks like. This is one of my girls friends and it's actually her car.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr0hDGImarw

Here is your hot chick that can handle a fast ride. You can google her to see what she looks like. This is one of my girls friends and it's actually her car.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr0hDGImarw

Dude is that serious? That girl is freakin gorgeous:eek:

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs140.snc3/18748_102936219729318_100000388213317_77088_515563 6_n.jpg

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Yup thats her and it's for real. She does modeling for all sorts of car shows and magazines. She tours with Hot Import Nights and all that stuff. She also has a twin sister, Just google "Barton Twins" Her Supra was done At Titan motorsports in Orland. THey have some sick Supras over there. Saw one go 7.90 at Orlando Speed world last year

Hmm, I'm sure our buddy Dwight at Stage 6 knows them then. He has been big into Supras and other imports forever.

Yup thats her and it's for real. She does modeling for all sorts of car shows and magazines. She tours with Hot Import Nights and all that stuff. She also has a twin sister, Just google "Barton Twins" Her Supra was done At Titan motorsports in Orland. THey have some sick Supras over there. Saw one go 7.90 at Orlando Speed world last year

Hmm, I'm sure our buddy Dwight at Stage 6 knows them then. He has been big into Supras and other imports forever.

Heck yeah Dwight knows those dudes. Watch Stage 6's 22 min. video on Joe's Ford GT TT..... the owner of Titan runs vs. Joe. Dude about pooped himself.:lol: Really good bunch of guys down there in Orlando.

Okay I think its safe to say this thread has moved onto us looking at the hot chick, sorry Paul.

So what happen to our boy Pauly??? He has been MIA for a minute now boyz:D

So what happen to our boy Pauly??? He has been MIA for a minute now boyz:D

He's been MIA since the 28th. He must be depressed about not hitting 10's or something:p

He's been MIA since the 28th. He must be depressed about not hitting 10's or something:p

LOL! You are funny bro:D

Its exausting trying to hit these goals and decompression time is needed sometimes.

Its exausting trying to hit these goals and decompression time is needed sometimes.

Yeah I hear ya Junior and know how that is. Pauly will check in when he gets the chance.

First of all, 1.6sec 60’ is a great number.
Secondly spinning the tires off the starting line is not an enemy but a good friend for a nice launch….and overall for a nice ET.
Everything spins…..if it doesn't spin then you get tire shake….or seriously break parts.

Launching at 1.6 (or slightly better) in a Jeep does not need any super special skills or any serious experience.
It’s easy to control the beast even sideways….and definitely you can stay full throttle even at 600 or 700 WHP.

A 100% absolute 4x4 SRT8 with spools in the diffs and all electronic systems turned completely off at 600 WHP and above….would become much more difficult to handle and drive, especially on a good prepped strip.
At this stage you would need special skills and experienced drivers.
The beast would become nervous like most 4x4 absolute machines……and it might become dangerous for the everyday sportsman driver.

Here are few examples of 4x4 beasts with 100% AWD. They are all over the place....

Look how he battles with the steering wheel to keep the car in a straight line:

The Mercedes automatic transmission would improve things compared to a manual gearbox, but my point is that spools and lockers would make the SRT8 quicker but more difficult to handle and drive.
And it will not improve significantly 60'. Reducing the weight of the car is the solution for better 60' = better ET's.
1.6sec or slightly better, is already a great achievement for a 5000 lbs brick.


I'm going to respectfully disagree with you and if you read the bottom of my signature you will know why.

1)I dont understand how wheel spin is a "a good friend for a nice launch". I see you posted a nice video with a couple of "nobodys" commenting on how nice there new camera technology was BUT your other comment "if it doesn't spin then you get tire shake" thats just not fact. Tire shake or shudder is due to too much wheel spin too soon or the engine (for whatever reason/car set up/pulling timing from launch, etc) not making enough power to overcome centrifugal forces of the tire side wall rolling over on itself. Comparing this to a 20" low profile tire on an SRTJeep is like comparing seaweed to a Redwood.

2) Your quote.... "Launching at 1.6 (or slightly better) in a Jeep does not need any super special skills or any serious experience". I'am speechless......I mean what experience can you share on this subject...please I want to hear this, as do those that have struggled with 650hp/650+ftlbs engines controlled by "Electronic Traction Control" that at moments notice shuts down the launch out of the hole with 1st to 2 or 1st to 3rd gear short shifts just as the vehicles tires begin to spin front and rear? I mean I had a 2006 Jeep in 2006 as well and lived on the dyno trying to defeat it at no avail. Have you ever launched an N/A or power adder 5100lb Jeep that netted you 11.0 or better?? I didnt think so. Please, before you answer that with your "other race" car, let us not forget we are talking about the Jeep. I wont bore you with my 8.2 drag boat or drag bike stories either.

3) Your quote...."It’s easy to control the beast even sideways….and definitely you can stay full throttle even at 600 or 700 WHP". Have you?? Have you ever launched a 5100lb open differential, front and rear drive vehicle, with 500ftlbs at 3800rpm as the torque converter locks up? Just at it happens the front wheel begins to pull you to the left as you accelerate to 60mph in 3.5 seconds? Again in a 5100lb high center vehicle? Hhhmmm didnt think so.

4)You mention "spools and differentials", no one here is advocating spools since these are street/strip hobbyists vehicles. Most of us (99%) do not buy a 50k Jeep to make it a drag vehicle. This is absolutely the wrong vehicle for that. My 426 would be an absolute monster easily running low 10's in an LX/LY, or an older Road Runner/GTX or Challenger. We are however discussing LSD/TruTrac with torque bias NOT full lockers.

5)What do a bunch of videos of New Zelanders with AWD, 3rd generation GTR's, weighing 1,000 to 1500lb cars, making 800-1000hp on a track with 4 big "whoopdeedoos" have to do with our vehicles or my comments?? I mean nice entertaining videos, however give us some technical explanation (other than AWD) why you believe they are in the same category? What kind of power trains do they run? Do they run full lockers, spools, quaifes, Detroit......???? What kind of transfercase and how is configured....chain or viscous?

6)Your quote...... "Look how he battles with the steering wheel to keep the car in a straight line"...... John Sheperd is running a 2000lb vehicle with 25lbs of boost and at least 100 shot of nitrous with a stand alone engine management system. Not all his runs is he fighting his steering wheel. OBVIOUSLY that has to do with the way the engine/chassis/suspension may have been set up for that run. I mean come on, 2 wheel drive cars hit the fricken wall all the time, or swerve and lose control or get squirly out of the hole. Thats like saying, stay away from Nitrous because it will blow your engine up, and then "scare" the crowd into submission with a few select U-Tube videos of a guy lossing his hood half track!

7)Your quote......."but my point is that spools and lockers would make the SRT8 quicker but more difficult to handle and drive. And it will not improve significantly 60'. Reducing the weight of the car is the solution for better 60' = better ET's".

"Spools and lockers", well I'll agree with that one...... and you will not find me advocating that, but limited slip or torque bias will greatly enhance the launch and I disagree it will make it more difficult to handle and drive. To say it will not improve 60', well I disagree with you because you have not shown that you have experienced/taped/reviewed/consulted or driven a open differential, Electronic Traction Controlled, 650ftlb@3800-4000rpm to the wheels SRT8 Jeep.






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Verry Well Put Steve Every Good.

my answers in blue.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you and if you read the bottom of my signature you will know why.

Your signature is definitely an astonishing statement, but usually people that are right and have the knowledge don’t need to state it in a forum signature.
But I would respect your statement that you are always right, you know everything and if someone has a different opinion than yours, it’s because he is wrong………

1)I dont understand how wheel spin is a "a good friend for a nice launch". I see you posted a nice video with a couple of "nobodys" commenting on how nice there new camera technology was BUT your other comment "if it doesn't spin then you get tire shake" thats just not fact. Tire shake or shudder is due to too much wheel spin too soon or the engine (for whatever reason/car set up/pulling timing from launch, etc) not making enough power to overcome centrifugal forces of the tire side wall rolling over on itself. Comparing this to a 20" low profile tire on an SRTJeep is like comparing seaweed to a Redwood.

I don’t ever expect your 880 Newton meters (N-m)@3800-4000rpm Jeep to reach a state of tire shake. Tire shake was my example on my point that everything has to spin off the starting line. No spinning at all or too much spinning will ruin the run from a Jeep to a Top Fuel. Also good and sticky strips slow down significantly your 650hp Jeep. I believe that SRT8’s with similar setups as yours would perform better on average to bad strips with the right amount of tire spinning at the launch.

2) Your quote.... "Launching at 1.6 (or slightly better) in a Jeep does not need any super special skills or any serious experience". I'am speechless......I mean what experience can you share on this subject...please I want to hear this, as do those that have struggled with 650hp/650+ftlbs engines controlled by "Electronic Traction Control" that at moments notice shuts down the launch out of the hole with 1st to 2 or 1st to 3rd gear short shifts just as the vehicles tires begin to spin front and rear? I mean I had a 2006 Jeep in 2006 as well and lived on the dyno trying to defeat it at no avail. Have you ever launched an N/A or power adder 5100lb Jeep that netted you 11.0 or better?? I didnt think so. Please, before you answer that with your "other race" car, let us not forget we are talking about the Jeep. I wont bore you with my 8.2 drag boat or drag bike stories either.

I don't thing I ever answered anything irrelevant with my “other race cars or bikes”. We are talking about Jeep’s here.
I have launched hundreds of times more than 7 different SRT8’s from 2006 till today. All had different combinations.
None had your power or torque.
My killer combination till now was a 100% stock Jeep with the addition of a Zex single nozzle kit.
Stock with ZEX was performing much better than a N/A combo with 90mm throttle body, Bwoody 4” CAI, Kooks headers, no cats + Magnaflow with removed middle mufflers, MSD coils and few other things….
With 0.26 fuel pill and 0.57 NOS pill (should be about +125HP to 140HP), 5 gal of VP MS109 or MR9 in the fuel tank mixed with 2 gal of Premium unleaded, +2 degrees of timing at WOT, -2% fuel at WOT….
I’ve been plenty of times at 12.0’s to 12.2s @ about 190kmh. 60’ was between 1.69 to 1.72……
I don't have your experience launching with a combination capable of putting down flat 11’s, but I don't believe it is something that needs special skills or experience, especially in a Jeep that does most things by itself.
I have the impression that you could run quite easily a flat 11 in a Jeep SRT8.

3) Your quote...."It’s easy to control the beast even sideways….and definitely you can stay full throttle even at 600 or 700 WHP". Have you?? Have you ever launched a 5100lb open differential, front and rear drive vehicle, with 500ftlbs at 3800rpm as the torque converter locks up? Just at it happens the front wheel begins to pull you to the left as you accelerate to 60mph in 3.5 seconds? Again in a 5100lb high center vehicle? Hhhmmm didnt think so.

I have launched SRT8’s plenty of times sideways and the only thing I could say is that it behaves progressively and it is fully predictable. It is fun.
I expect it to be more fun with more HP and torque.

4)You mention "spools and differentials", no one here is advocating spools since these are street/strip hobbyists vehicles. Most of us (99%) do not buy a 50k Jeep to make it a drag vehicle. This is absolutely the wrong vehicle for that. My 426 would be an absolute monster easily running low 10's in an LX/LY, or an older Road Runner/GTX or Challenger. We are however discussing LSD/TruTrac with torque bias NOT full lockers.

I am in that 99% you mention. I haven’t bought a 50k SRT8 (costs much more money for us over here) to make it a drag vehicle. I know it is the wrong car for that. But I bought my last SRT8 (5th since 2006) to make it a 10sec street project, fully registered and capable of travelling around.

5)What do a bunch of videos of New Zelanders with AWD, 3rd generation GTR's, weighing 1,000 to 1500lb cars, making 800-1000hp on a track with 4 big "whoopdeedoos" have to do with our vehicles or my comments?? I mean nice entertaining videos, however give us some technical explanation (other than AWD) why you believe they are in the same category? What kind of power trains do they run? Do they run full lockers, spools, quaifes, Detroit......???? What kind of transfercase and how is configured....chain or viscous?

Wow, I would be really grateful if you could show me a 1000 lbs (447 kilograms) GTR or EVO or Talon…… I would buy it at once.
Even if you make an EVO (4 cylinder, because GTR is 6 cylinder…even worse) look like my underwear, put everything available in carbon, doors, fenders, roof, shaft, hoods….everything.
Even if you drill it to a point where your cat and dog could sneak inside the interior from open spaces……….. you still would be in the 1100 kilograms range (2500 lbs) without driver. Make it 3000 lbs for the Skyline.
My videos were examples of how nervous a car could become when you distribute power and torque 100% evenly to all 4 wheels.

6)Your quote...... "Look how he battles with the steering wheel to keep the car in a straight line"...... John Sheperd is running a 2000lb vehicle with 25lbs of boost and at least 100 shot of nitrous with a stand alone engine management system. Not all his runs is he fighting his steering wheel. OBVIOUSLY that has to do with the way the engine/chassis/suspension may have been set up for that run. I mean come on, 2 wheel drive cars hit the fricken wall all the time, or swerve and lose control or get squirly out of the hole. Thats like saying, stay away from Nitrous because it will blow your engine up, and then "scare" the crowd into submission with a few select U-Tube videos of a guy lossing his hood half track!

Sheperd car is 4x4 AWD………


7)Your quote......."but my point is that spools and lockers would make the SRT8 quicker but more difficult to handle and drive. And it will not improve significantly 60'. Reducing the weight of the car is the solution for better 60' = better ET's".

"Spools and lockers", well I'll agree with that one...... and you will not find me advocating that, but limited slip or torque bias will greatly enhance the launch and I disagree it will make it more difficult to handle and drive. To say it will not improve 60', well I disagree with you because you have not shown that you have experienced/taped/reviewed/consulted or driven a open differential, Electronic Traction Controlled, 650ftlb@3800-4000rpm to the wheels SRT8 Jeep.

"Spools and lockers", well we agreed on something. That's a good start. :)
No I have not shown that I have experienced/taped/reviewed/consulted or driven an open differential, Electronic Traction Controlled, 650ftlb@3800-4000rpm to the wheels SRT8 Jeep, because I haven't.

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I dont want to get into the depths sarge and fil are but from personal experiance a poorly prepped track will never get me a faster time. More traction ='s better 60' which is a big key in running quicker times. Spinning more off the line gets better trap speeds but I hav enever gotten a better time with it.

I'm all for letting the numbers speak for themselves. As far as I'm concerned Steve has more experience in a 426 jeep than anyone. I'm sure he knows what works and what doesn't.

Damn Sarge :eek:

You CLEARLY know a thing or 2 about our Jeeps.

All this arguing surrounding Shep, why dont we ask him for his opinion, after all he is a member here and he owns an SRT8 Jeep with heads/cam in it.

http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20204

I didnt know that ppl were arguing over Shep....

I thought it was just Sarge respectfully disagreeing with Fastfil.

I didnt know that ppl were arguing over Shep....

I thought it was just Sarge respectfully disagreeing with Fastfil.

No, but Shep's name was used on a couple of occassions. He might be able to give first-hand experience.

I know - it's like watching a title fight between two heavyweights! I don't have anywhere near the experience or the knowledge to jump in - I can't help but ask how FastFil can substantiate this claim from Post #110, though:

I have the impression that you could run quite easily a flat 11 in a Jeep SRT8.

To date, there are only a select few that have achieved this, and I'll be willing to bet that NONE of them will say that it was "quite easy". :shinner:
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so am i missing something here??? no video yet? dang Paulie, you big tease you. lol bet you had a kick arse time this weekend...wish i could have been out there for my b-day (1/30) with ya rather than in the ER with food poisoning. :(

Must've been some bad b-day cake, eh Roger? Hope you're feeling better! :sick:

Funny you mention no video yet - I was just thinking, "Damn, 12 pages in this freaking thread and not one single post from Paulie?" That alone is pretty impressive, if you ask me!
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Funny you mention no video yet - I was just thinking, "Damn, 12 pages in this freaking thread and not one single post from Paulie?" That alone is pretty impressive, if you ask me!
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Sure is taking long for the video.....making me wounder are we all PUNKED! DID HE RUN 10'S.....................lol that would be funny:)

Mystery solved....:p

I’ve been paid quite a large amount by Paulie to try and lead the topic away from him….lmao :D:D:D

Joking of course. He must be trying to figure out how he could run that tenth of a second missing from a 10sec run.

my answers in blue.


No more verbal Judo from me. I believe we both made good points and hopefully when my Jeep comes back from BuilderBill with the front and back Detroit TruTrac and 4:11 gearing I can report positive results.


Steve


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No more verbal Judo from me. I believe we both made good points and hopefully when my Jeep comes back from BuilderBill with the front and back Detroit TruTrac and 4:11 gearing I can report positive results.


Steve


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Can't wait to hear the results Steve!!

I got to say I'm really impressed! Both with paulies times and how civil Steve and Fil where!!

No more verbal Judo from me. I believe we both made good points and hopefully when my Jeep comes back from BuilderBill with the front and back Detroit TruTrac and 4:11 gearing I can report positive results.


Steve


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I agree and I am looking forward to read some positive results. I have my diffs open at the moment and I am trying to figure out what to do.
Thanks for all your interesting points. Everything reviewed thoroughly from my side and taken into consideration on how to reach the 10sec goal....
Fil

No more verbal Judo from me. I believe we both made good points and hopefully when my Jeep comes back from BuilderBill with the front and back Detroit TruTrac and 4:11 gearing I can report positive results.


Steve


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Hopefully it arrives in time for Bradenton!:D:D
Bill

I agree and I am looking forward to read some positive results. I have my diffs open at the moment and I am trying to figure out what to do.
Thanks for all your interesting points. Everything reviewed thoroughly from my side and taken into consideration on how to reach the 10sec goal....
Fil

The one thing you need to experience in a Jeep with 650 crank hp is it going haywire. Phil, you just have to take my word for it, once you get to a certain power level other safeguards that no one really can pinpoint seem to make things go a little nuts.
Chris

good luck paulie p

Yes Verbal Judo with no clear Judoka.....Sensei says practice Jeep Kata and come back strong and move closer to Dan 4

maybe paul forgot to pay his internet bill:p

Hopefully it arrives in time for Bradenton!:D:D
Bill

I'd love to see what a west coast jeep runs in FL air. We all know what it runs in CA:D

Hopefully it arrives in time for Bradenton!:D:D
Bill


LOL!!!!!!!

I hope you turn that thing around in two days.......the driver is going to New York after he leaves you and offered to pick it back up 3 days later. Sorry Bill but a few street races (youngmedic style) may be all you get......its more than most!!:D


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LOL!!!!!!!

I hope you turn that thing around in two days.......the driver is going to New York after he leaves you and offered to pick it back up 3 days later. Sorry Bill but a few street races (youngmedic style) may be all you get......its more than most!!:D


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Bradenton is on the 16 in Florida!!

Florida? LOL I could only imagine what Steve's Jeep would run in Neg DA?:cool:

No more verbal Judo from me. I believe we both made good points and hopefully when my Jeep comes back from BuilderBill with the front and back Detroit TruTrac and 4:11 gearing I can report positive results.


Steve


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and I thought the 8.8s used 4.10 gears....not that I'm counting ring vs. pinion teeth ratios amongst friends. :D

Florida? LOL I could only imagine what Steve's Jeep would run in Neg DA?:cool:

Man I think all you Cali guys are confusing FL with Etown, Atco and MIR. All those tracks in the new england area get some serious negative DA in the 1000-2000 range. I still have yet to run in negative DA in FL in 5 years. You'll hardly ever see humidity below 70% here.

2009 is the 1st time i have got close to zero DA at IRWINDALE DARG STRIP as it got to a + 88 ft and the highest was + 3254 FT. Our problem here in SO CA is when we get low temps we get hi humidity and as you no you cant burn moisture.

I ran 11.573 at +1007 DA
11.501at -650
11.45 at -779

Man I think all you Cali guys are confusing FL with Etown, Atco and MIR. All those tracks in the new england area get some serious negative DA in the 1000-2000 range. I still have yet to run in negative DA in FL in 5 years. You'll hardly ever see humidity below 70% here.

Actually at certain times of the year, Bradenton has a lower DA record than any of the three you listed. There have been guys who ran Bradenton and their home track was Atco, and ran faster due to the lower DA. The norm however is for the northeast to have the faster tracks and Atco seems to consistently record a lower DA.
Rough example= Bradenton is 6 ft above sea level and Atco is 132ft above sea level, yet Atco carries cooler temps . But during early spring and late fall you can find Bradenton to record low temps with high humidity which makes for the perfect conditions when you are such low altitudes.
I originally was a member of the LS2 boards and owned a 2006 GTO. I mention that b/c being from GA we had the Fl vs GA shootout each year and just after was the Bradenton event. Had some guys drive down from jersey and ran better times due to it being perfect conditions.
Fully understand it is not the norm but Bradenton is an excellent track and it is worthy of mentioning as one of the fastest at those key times of the year.

The big problem with living here in Flordia is the inconsistancey of weather. It may be a neg DA day during the week, but come the day the track is open, the temps are back up!:mad: We need damn Uranus to line up with the Moon and Stars for the "prefect track day". We are going to try and hit the track Sat. but it looks like we're gonna get rained out.:(:fu: