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: Will there be a redesigned Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8? If so, when?


pantheman75
12-17-2009, 04:38 AM
I'm new to CherokeeSRT8.com and I'm wondering if there has been any OFFICIAL word on if / when there will be a redesigned Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8. Does anybody have any idea? Thanks for your time and help :)

brianm
12-17-2009, 05:00 AM
in my best Alec Guiness voice ,,,,,,, USE THE SEARCH BUTTON LUKE ,, lol i am sure there is a thread about it somewhere including drawings ,, welcome to the forum

QuickOne
12-17-2009, 05:01 AM
Not as of yet.
Hints have given us hope for 2012 MY w. 500HP.
SRT8s 300, charger and Challenger updates with a 6.4L Hemi.
Do some browsing here and you'll see tons of info!

pantheman75
12-17-2009, 05:05 AM
in my best Alec Guiness voice ,,,,,,, USE THE SEARCH BUTTON LUKE ,, lol i am sure there is a thread about it somewhere including drawings ,, welcome to the forum

Thanks, but I've already tried it. Sure, I've found information; I'm looking for any OFFICIAL information though... (not rumors). Any links anybody?

Joe Las Vegas
12-17-2009, 05:23 AM
THIS (http://jalopnik.com/5208899/2012-jeep-grand-cherokee-srt8-exclusive-first-look#c) is all we got, will it happen? no one knows:(

brianm
12-17-2009, 05:27 AM
yeah i dont think theres an official word ( yet i hope )

pantheman75
12-17-2009, 06:25 AM
THIS (http://jalopnik.com/5208899/2012-jeep-grand-cherokee-srt8-exclusive-first-look#c) is all we got, will it happen? no one knows:(

Thanks Joe :)

pjs1965
12-17-2009, 07:41 AM
OK, so officially 2010 is the last year of the Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 based on GEN1 WK platform (in it's current form). The Grand Cherokee will be 'all-new' in 2011 so any future Jeep SRT8s would be based on that new platform. That's just simple logic :D

No official news of a SRT8 version based on GEN2 WK (known as WK2 unofficially). The 5 year plan unveiled in November 09 did not have an SRT8 version on the platform timeline. The SRT Engineers have said "never say never" so we're all in a 'wait-n-see' mode.

pantheman75
12-17-2009, 07:51 AM
So how long will Jeep be taking orders on 2010 SRT8's? Does anybody know how long they'll be making the 2010 SRT8's for?

ernest
12-17-2009, 03:02 PM
There was a red one that is fully loaded delivered to Darcars Silver Spring MD today. Tell them I sent you and they should give you a great price the first time.

Ernest

WS6TA
12-17-2009, 03:54 PM
So how long will Jeep be taking orders on 2010 SRT8's? Does anybody know how long they'll be making the 2010 SRT8's for?

Ordering stops soon, don't remember the actual date.

pjs1965
12-17-2009, 04:47 PM
2011's go into production in May/June 2010 so I think it's real soon. jsporn had posted a date -- search his posts with the search feature.

ResumeSpeed
12-17-2009, 10:55 PM
So how long will Jeep be taking orders on 2010 SRT8's? Does anybody know how long they'll be making the 2010 SRT8's for?
Last day to order 2010 models: January 4, 2010

Last day of production for 2010 models: March 15, 2010

First day of production 2011 models (no SRT): May 10, 2010

SRTfan
12-17-2009, 11:33 PM
I better get one of these while they still exist! Heading out this weekend.

pantheman75
12-18-2009, 07:59 AM
So... there is no official word from Jeep that there will / will not be a next generation Grand Cherokee SRT8. Given the state of the company, how likely is it?

I know that the SRT boys still appear to be working on new stuff, as a Dodge Journey SRT (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/14/reader-spy-srt-fettled-dodge-journey-r-t-spotted/) was spotted the other day.

I REALLY like the current Grand Cherokee SRT8, but based on what I'm reading about the next generation Grand Cherokee, a new version of a Grand Cherokee SRT8 could offer a lot more goodies :)

Rose City GC SRT8
12-18-2009, 08:43 AM
If they do make a next-gen SRT8, it had better have the 6.4 and make at least 500hp. Why? Look at the stats. The new Cherokee will be approx 400 lbs heavier!! It'll need 500 hp. Otherwise, our rigs will be quicker and faster....

gHOUSE
12-18-2009, 12:57 PM
dont forget about this....

http://media.photobucket.com/image/srt8%20jeep%202012/keoni8650/SRT.jpg

pantheman75
12-18-2009, 01:03 PM
dont forget about this....

http://media.photobucket.com/image/srt8%20jeep%202012/keoni8650/SRT.jpg

Isn't that just a computer generated picture made by a blog based on the unofficial sketches?

SRL
12-21-2009, 08:47 PM
So... there is no official word from Jeep that there will / will not be a next generation Grand Cherokee SRT8. Given the state of the company, how likely is it?

I know that the SRT boys still appear to be working on new stuff, as a Dodge Journey SRT (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/14/reader-spy-srt-fettled-dodge-journey-r-t-spotted/) was spotted the other day.

I REALLY like the current Grand Cherokee SRT8, but based on what I'm reading about the next generation Grand Cherokee, a new version of a Grand Cherokee SRT8 could offer a lot more goodies :)

That Journey looks like they put a set of Jeep SRT wheels on it and added quad exhaust tips. I doubt it's a real SRT model, more than likely it's just an employee of Chrysler's car with some visual mods. Especially considering they stuck an SRT badge right next to the R/T badge.

If it was a real SRT, I can only imagine what they're using to power it.It's built off the Sebring platform, so it'd probably be a forced induction version of the 3.5L. But frankly given the recent killing off of the Avenger and Sebring, I doubt that they'd have SRT designing a performance engine for a chassis that is going to be used only for crossovers.

Personally, I think that there will be a second gen SRT8. With the new RRS getting a big power boost, the new X5M coming out, and who knows what the boys at Porsche and AMG are scheming up, I think that high horsepower SUVs on on relatively safe ground for now. Chrysler knows if they stuff a big engine into a decent SUV, they can sell tons of them at $50k, and don't have to try to compete with the super high end SUVs in anything but getting close in performance due to the huge cost difference. Even if they delivered 75% of the car the others do (which they give way more than that) they're still at 50% of the price, so it's got a value to it.

I think it will be less "hard edged" than the previous SRT8. I have a distinct fear they'll get rid of the center exhaust to open it up for ease of towing (since they got slammed so many times for it in the press and such), which should open it up to more customers in theory. I think the ride will probably end up feeling more grand touring than sports car like in the current SRT8. I also don't think we'll see it for over a year, I think they'll bring it out a year or two after the new generation has debuted, they don't want to send the wrong message to stupid consumers about it at first. They're trying to move this version more upscale and classy and such, and they don't want the only thing people remember of it to be 500hp of prius killing fury.

But hopefully they give us some more teases and information soon. I kinda think they have it on the back burner right now, and are trying to lay low as Marchionne has gone on record saying he thought big engines were a dumb idea more or less.

You just have to keep the faith is all that can be done now.

pjs1965
12-21-2009, 09:28 PM
^^ a nice post but they don't sell 'TONS' of them -- they sell ~ 3000 per year. Having said that, BMW sells about 30,000 X5's in the US so maybe you're on to something.

BTW, you can have a more refined Jeep SRT by building on the 2011 GC and tossing in a 6.4L HEMI. 475HP should keep the Jeep well in the forefront of 'Super SUVs' ;)

ResumeSpeed
12-22-2009, 12:18 AM
I know that the SRT boys still appear to be working on new stuff, as a Dodge Journey SRT was spotted the other day.
There are no plans at this time to build an SRT Journey.


If they do make a next-gen SRT8, it had better have the 6.4...
100% chance it would have the 6.4L.


Isn't that just a computer generated picture made by a blog based on the unofficial sketches?
Yes, absolutely.

SRL
12-22-2009, 12:58 AM
"TONS" is sort of a general term I guess. 3000 per year for a vehicle like this is a metric ****-ton. Out of those 30k X5s, the huge majority of them are V6s, then there's a sizeable chunk of V8s, and the M version will probably be 2000 at most. Heck even my POS Vue Redline was around 1400-2000 per year, and its much less "hardcore" and expensive.

Those X5Ms are no joke, I think 500hp will make them keep up, but not "lead the pack". But that's not what it needs to do, it needs to provide a good chunk of the everything of those vehicles at much lower price point.

If they ever get around to stuffing the 3.5L Ecoboost into the Ford Edge, that just might be a fantastic little ute too. When stuffed into the Flex it was good for 14.5, in an Edge it'd likely be high 13s. Not as fast as any of the other super utes, but definitely a fun ride, and depending on how it was priced it could be the best value for a sport SUV.

yungsrt
12-22-2009, 03:15 AM
What Chrysler should do is to let enthusiast buy a JEEP SRT8 not produce them in mass quantities. Just make what is ordered. They should let the buyer customize it the way they want it (Supercharged 6.4 will be my choice) and leave it at that. That will make the car more "desirable"
Hope they sell the 6.4L engine or let us trade our 6.1L for it.
This is just my stupid opinion.

SRL
12-22-2009, 11:06 AM
What Chrysler should do is to let enthusiast buy a JEEP SRT8 not produce them in mass quantities. Just make what is ordered. They should let the buyer customize it the way they want it (Supercharged 6.4 will be my choice) and leave it at that. That will make the car more "desirable"
Hope they sell the 6.4L engine or let us trade our 6.1L for it.
This is just my stupid opinion.

A system like this would mean you'd be paying pretty much the same money for the Jeep SRT8 as you would a BMW X5M. The volume(and other factors of course) is what allows them to price the vehicles lower. But if they went only to ordering them, the Jeep's sales would suffer tremendously, and they'd have to hike the price up on them to break even on the project.

I think they already sell the 6.4L as a crate engine, I could be wrong though. It might be just a 6.4L version of the 6.4, as opposed to the theoretical one with MDS and all that that would in theory be in next gen SRT vehicles

pjs1965
12-22-2009, 11:29 AM
Who knows, we may need to start a grass roots campaign once the 2011 JGC comes out -- we want our SRT8! Maybe beg dealers to place orders. If we can get a few dealers to co-opearate and take pre-sale lists, Jeep may respond more positively to an SRT version.

OK, I'm just thinking out loud.

pantheman75
12-22-2009, 11:45 AM
I'm nervous that Fiat, the government, and public perception of an already weak company coming out with a new "environmentally un-friendly / gas guzzling" SUV will cause Jeep to give pause to creating a next generation SRT8. I for one hope that they DO come out with one ;)

pantheman75
02-25-2010, 09:05 AM
Just checking back in; has there been any new news about a possible 2nd generation Grand Cherokee SRT8?

a990dna
02-25-2010, 09:29 PM
Just checking back in; has there been any new news about a possible 2nd generation Grand Cherokee SRT8?

A few weeks ago SRT engineers were calling customers to get feedback on musts and wants... a positive step forward and very good indication they're pulling together the required info to present for project and funding considerations.

pantheman75
02-26-2010, 04:59 AM
A few weeks ago SRT engineers were calling customers to get feedback on musts and wants... a positive step forward and very good indication they're pulling together the required info to present for project and funding considerations.

VERY interesting! Man; there is a new 2010 Grand Cherokee SRT8 that I would LOVE to pull the trigger on that is not too far from me and is EXACTLY the way I would order it, but I really think that the (possible) 2012 SRT8 will be MUCH better than the 1st generation model... so I wait. :( It shouldn't be too long of a wait if it happens; the 2012's will be out next year.

soon
02-26-2010, 05:40 AM
There are no plans at this time to build an SRT Journey.



100% chance it would have the 6.4L.



Yes, absolutely.

if resume says its going to happen
its going to happen
trust me i know from experience
this guy guided me through my entire srt factory order
he knew things my dealer didnt even know

thanks resume

immo
02-28-2010, 07:13 PM
if resume says its going to happen
its going to happen
trust me i know from experience
this guy guided me through my entire srt factory order
he knew things my dealer didnt even know

thanks resume


He said "100% chance it would have the 6.4L." He never said it would be built...... I would feel better if he said it would be built WITH the 6.4....

scottina06
03-01-2010, 02:58 PM
you can check www.wk2jeeps.com for the latest updates

ResumeSpeed
03-24-2010, 03:53 AM
VERY interesting! ...but I really think that the (possible) 2012 SRT8 will be MUCH better than the 1st generation model...
The difference would be like night and day. When you look at the long list of changes and improvements coming to the all-new Grand Cherokee, a 6.4L SRT variant would blow away the current models.

pantheman75
03-24-2010, 04:25 AM
The difference would be like night and day. When you look at the long list of changes and improvements coming to the all-new Grand Cherokee, a 6.4L SRT variant would blow away the current models.

Well put. This is why I've decided that it's worth the risk to not buy one of the remaining Grand Cherokee SRT8's out there on the lots. A (possible) next generation model would be SO much better!

smoove7410
03-24-2010, 04:22 PM
God, resume, why must you tempt me, lol. A 6.4 in the new Jeep would be nuts....time to save.

srt8Canada
03-24-2010, 04:57 PM
I saw the new jeep not the srt8 on the expressway on the way to work a day or two ago in the morning. It was trying to catch up to me etc. I thought it was a BMW or something like that. I took my exit and then it had a chance to pull up beside and drive by and I was thinking it was a BMW and then at the last sec. I saw the chrome strip on the liftgate and it said Jeep. Looks very Euro inspired if you ask me. Oh yeah, and it had michigan plates. I told a guy at work and he said in his small town there is a chick that has been driving one around for 6months. I guess she or her husband works in Auburn Hills. Anyways from what I hear the 6.4L is coming to Jeep SRT8 and it is sick!!! Crazy sick!!! If you think or rigs are fast...wait for this monster and you'll sh.t your pants.:) Also MDS will be an option if you choose automatic. Of course the jeeps will all be auto.

pantheman75
03-24-2010, 08:07 PM
I saw the new jeep not the srt8 on the expressway on the way to work a day or two ago in the morning. It was trying to catch up to me etc. I thought it was a BMW or something like that. I took my exit and then it had a chance to pull up beside and drive by and I was thinking it was a BMW and then at the last sec. I saw the chrome strip on the liftgate and it said Jeep. Looks very Euro inspired if you ask me. Oh yeah, and it had michigan plates. I told a guy at work and he said in his small town there is a chick that has been driving one around for 6months. I guess she or her husband works in Auburn Hills. Anyways from what I hear the 6.4L is coming to Jeep SRT8 and it is sick!!! Crazy sick!!! If you think or rigs are fast...wait for this monster and you'll sh.t your pants.:) Also MDS will be an option if you choose automatic. Of course the jeeps will all be auto.

Interesting information... I wish we could get some sort of "official" confirmation about it.

immo
03-24-2010, 08:51 PM
Interesting information... I wish we could get some sort of "official" confirmation about it.

I agree, I find it strange that they release info on the LX/LC Platform Cars getting the 6.4/SRT and nothing on the Jeep.

SRTfan
03-24-2010, 11:19 PM
I looked at that WK site on the 2011, and there is a lot of improvements being made. It almost makes you pause before spending 40k on the current model as much as I think the SRT is top notch. The SRT with all those improvements would be even better...and a 6.4? I think the fact that the "new" ones are out in a few months puts people in good bargaining position for the remaining SRTs. Just my opinion.

ResumeSpeed
03-25-2010, 02:25 AM
I agree, I find it strange that they release info on the LX/LC Platform Cars getting the 6.4/SRT and nothing on the Jeep.
I haven't seen where any official information has been released yet per the 6.4 and LC/LD/LX vehicles...

I haven't been able to confirm this yet, but there is a *possibility* that the 6.4 will be held off until the 2012 model year for all vehicles that are getting it.

QuickOne
03-25-2010, 08:19 AM
Well put. This is why I've decided that it's worth the risk to not buy one of the remaining Grand Cherokee SRT8's out there on the lots. A (possible) next generation model would be SO much better!


I'm glad I'm driving mine with a HUGE smile on my face every day till then! Not to mention, I never get the first model year of anything. Too many bugs get worked out and I don't like being the guinea pig to help them identify them. So that means easily 2013! 3 years is ALOT of smiles driving the current SRT8! LOL!!!

Just a quick thought for you to ponder as well...
You can sneak away with a 2010 for around 40K. With the price increase, increased demand and low inventory, expect to pay sticker and possibly more! That's a good $15K swing your waiting for!

pantheman75
03-25-2010, 08:46 PM
I'm glad I'm driving mine with a HUGE smile on my face every day till then! Not to mention, I never get the first model year of anything. Too many bugs get worked out and I don't like being the guinea pig to help them identify them. So that means easily 2013! 3 years is ALOT of smiles driving the current SRT8! LOL!!!

Just a quick thought for you to ponder as well...
You can sneak away with a 2010 for around 40K. With the price increase, increased demand and low inventory, expect to pay sticker and possibly more! That's a good $15K swing your waiting for!

Just curious... were there big issues with the first model year of the first generation Grand Cherokee SRT8?

I can't argue with the value of clearance prices on discontinued cars as I recently picked up a new loaded Pontiac Solstice GXP convertible for $21,000 OTD... (a two seater with about 300HP that is VERY fun by the way). All of this next generation SRT8 stuff is just speculation. IF there is a next gen SRT8 and IF the rumors are close, many are thinking that it will leave the first generation one in the dust. I and my full employee discount will wait patiently for the 2012 model next year and hope for the best.

If this happens... if it comes with the 6.4L engine with around 500HP... IT WILL KICK ASS! BRING IT ON JEEP!
http://autoworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/jeep-grand-cherokee-srt8-design-sketch-img_1.jpg

911stripper
03-25-2010, 09:02 PM
I'm glad I'm driving mine with a HUGE smile on my face every day till then! Not to mention, I never get the first model year of anything. Too many bugs get worked out and I don't like being the guinea pig to help them identify them. So that means easily 2013! 3 years is ALOT of smiles driving the current SRT8! LOL!!!

Just a quick thought for you to ponder as well...
You can sneak away with a 2010 for around 40K. With the price increase, increased demand and low inventory, expect to pay sticker and possibly more! That's a good $15K swing your waiting for!


i was worried about the same thing or maybe jeep would never make another srt8, so i went out today and traded my 2006 srt8 in for a 2010 srt8. it was shocking, they gave me $24,500 for mine and i got the new one for 40,100.
it cost me just over $15,000 to own mine for 4 years and 41k miles. i couldnt have been happier !

mkr27
03-25-2010, 09:11 PM
Did yours come with navigation and moonroof for that price? What area did you buy it from? Thanks

911stripper
03-26-2010, 06:52 AM
Did yours come with navigation and moonroof for that price? What area did you buy it from? Thanks


yes it does have nav and a sunroof. it has a sticker price over $49k. i purchased it just outside of baltimore md. the dealer has 1 more black one in stock. they even swapped out my Billy Boat exhaust for me.
the seem to be in short supply again and the only other one that i could find was used as a demo and the dealer wasnt willing to discount it at all.

cyazo6
03-26-2010, 09:30 AM
Confirmed not for 2011! No telling yet what future model years may bring.

pantheman75
03-26-2010, 09:35 AM
Confirmed not for 2011! No telling yet what future model years may bring.

Message to Jeep: Do you want my money? Build me a Grand Cherokee SRT8 in 2012!

C'mon 2012!

QuickOne
03-26-2010, 02:15 PM
If you want to see a reason not to buy a first model year of something...Check out this link:
http://www.wkjeeps.com/wk_tsb.htm
2005 was the first model year for the WK...Scroll down and look at all the "X"s in the left column.

I would expect the Jeep SRT8 to come out as a 2013 model in the early 2012 year.

At least I'm crossing my fingers on it!

ResumeSpeed
03-26-2010, 03:53 PM
Confirmed not for 2011!
That was confirmed here about a year ago... working on 2012 info now :).

navyavi469
03-26-2010, 07:06 PM
That was confirmed here about a year ago... working on 2012 info now :).

Well resume, i'm on the wait-list at my local dealer for the 2012 should they make one... I created a thread on this about six months ago, its floating around here somewhere.

I've looked at the list of changes for the 2011 model year, very impressive, but nothing barks "bmw handling" at me when I read them. I'd like to see a Jeep that pushes past the $50,000 barrier with a suspension system that is comarable to the X5 and ML63 competition.

392 Hemi, yes, a definate... but thats not what concerns me. ANY Hemi block is going to lend itself to endless modability with the new aftermarket support we have from the first generation of LX's and WK's. A Hemi with VVT or MDS might be more complicated to tune and cam though. My concerns lie with what transmission, transfer case, and axles are going to be behind the familiar Hemi block. I would HOPE that its either the same W5A580 (solutions already exist for higher power applications), or else a solid 6 or 7 speed gearbox which would compete with the german offerings. The transfer case might benefit from either an all-gear setup, or else a viscous-couple design as seen in the japaneese AWD 4-bangers. I think if we could say anything about the current driveline, that a friction clutch transfer case was the WRONG CHOICE... endless warrantied failures, black fluid on every oil change, the list goes on and on. The design simply, even in stock form, can't handle the power the Jeep makes. As for the axles, I understand why the engineers choose open pumpkins with non-standard ring gears. Its unforunate, but I understand.... A fully-independent suspension with maybe a standardized center section, like the Dana 60 :drool: would be best. Half shafts are an easy fix and would be out for the Jeep inside of a year of release. The center sections might also be different... Jeep started out ten years ago with the famous Gerator couplings.... now we've got electronic lockers making their debut in a few chrysler models. A neato-selecto powertrain knob on the center console might do magical things under there... possible a "smart AWD" system that can transfer torque to any wheel? Hmm...

Regardless, I would predict that the GEN II SRT8 Jeep will probably incorporate a selectable powertrain, similiar but different to what the current powertrain in the 2011 limiteds have. I'll be very curious to see what kind of powertrain components go into the new jeep and how they all work together. Something overly sophisticated might be the kiss-of-death for aftermarket mods. If we can't build a drivetrain to support more power, then 392 or not, engine power adders will be absolutely worthless... and a mildly modded GEN I 370 will easily blow past the GEN II.

If there's one thesis I would use to summerize all the posts I've seen on this forum in the last 3 years, its that jeeps are AWESOME, UNIQUE, and theres nothing like them on the road, but they just can't put the power they have to the ground... past a certain point. An endless myriad of drivetrain and compnent interoperability problems continue to plage the Jeep SRT crowd, caused by non-standard and weak stock powertrain components, and an overt reliance on interdependent electronic communications within the powertrain which manifest into power-robbing anomolies.

Blown7
03-27-2010, 08:39 AM
If there's one thesis I would use to summerize all the posts I've seen on this forum in the last 3 years, its that jeeps are AWESOME, UNIQUE, and theres nothing like them on the road, but they just can't put the power they have to the ground... past a certain point. An endless myriad of drivetrain and compnent interoperability problems continue to plage the Jeep SRT crowd, caused by non-standard and weak stock powertrain components, and an overt reliance on interdependent electronic communications within the powertrain which manifest into power-robbing anomolies.

Yep and lets address some other good things, like factory paddle shifters... yep they are coming..... It starts with the 2011 Chargers
(Resume don't have all the good info) :D

Now one of the biggest downsides... Flex Ray.

You thought the Can Bus was bad. And Hal? Wait for that.

Incompatible with current generation Dashawk, Dashdax, Predator and Trinity unless all the companies gets new cables at the least. (I'm not sure on the hardware compatability)

So yea RS bring on the 6.4 or whatever in the 2012.... I'll gladly stick with my 2007 that is all figured out:p



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navyavi469
03-27-2010, 07:15 PM
Yep and lets address some other good things, like factory paddle shifters... yep they are coming..... It starts with the 2011 Chargers
(Resume don't have all the good info) :D

Now one of the biggest downsides... Flex Ray.

You thought the Can Bus was bad. And Hal? Wait for that.

Incompatible with current generation Dashawk, Dashdax, Predator and Trinity unless all the companies gets new cables at the least. (I'm not sure on the hardware compatability)

So yea RS bring on the 6.4 or whatever in the 2012.... I'll gladly stick with my 2007 that is all figured out:p



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Well if they can put FlexRay in the BMW's, then I see nothing but piggybacks in our future. Flexray might not be a bad thing in the long run, but in the short term, its going to cause major headaches.

ResumeSpeed
03-28-2010, 04:14 AM
...An endless myriad of drivetrain and component interoperability problems continue to plage the Jeep SRT crowd, caused by non-standard and weak stock powertrain components, and an overt reliance on interdependent electronic communications within the powertrain which manifest into power-robbing anomolies.
I would have to disagree, problems have been minimal for those who have stayed within the "safety" range of added HP. Yes, there have been some t-case issues for a small percentage of owners, but mostly in the earlier model years. Considering the beating that these vehicles are subject to on a continuous basis, and all of the "alterations" that have been made by so many owners, reliability has been pretty damn good IMO.


Yep and lets address some other good things, like factory paddle shifters... yep they are coming..... It starts with the 2011 Chargers
(Resume don't have all the good info) :D
Paddle shifters have been high on the list of requests from current owners, no doubt about it. Is Chrysler finally listening?


Now one of the biggest downsides... Flex Ray.
You thought the Can Bus was bad. And Hal? Wait for that.
The 2011 Charger and 2011 300 will have Flexray, the 2011 Challenger will not. Haven't checked the 2011 GC.


...Incompatible with current generation Dashawk, Dashdax, Predator and Trinity unless all the companies gets new cables at the least. (I'm not sure on the hardware compatability)
I'm sure you'll see new versions of all these products that will adapt to future models.

Blown7
03-28-2010, 09:27 AM
Paddle shifters have been high on the list of requests from current owners, no doubt about it. Is Chrysler finally listening?

Nope it's just Flexray can accomodate Paddle Shifters Can Bus can't.



The 2011 Charger and 2011 300 will have Flexray, the 2011 Challenger will not. Haven't checked the 2011 GC.

Don't know about that either but 2011 will have TIPM verses FCM so big changes there too.



I'm sure you'll see new versions of all these products that will adapt to future models.

True that but it will cost more and older models tuners won't work.
Needless to say but a 2006 can be tuned better than a 2007 and 2007 better than 2008 and so on......

That means 2012 you should maybe adjust the fan on.......:p

And adaptive Cruise control................

navyavi469
04-05-2010, 05:11 PM
I would have to disagree, problems have been minimal for those who have stayed within the "safety" range of added HP. Yes, there have been some t-case issues for a small percentage of owners, but mostly in the earlier model years. Considering the beating that these vehicles are subject to on a continuous basis, and all of the "alterations" that have been made by so many owners, reliability has been pretty damn good IMO. .

Honestly Resume, how can you say that with a straight face. There isn't a soul on this board who right now, can't go out to their truck, and drain fluid thats black as sackloth out of their transfer case. There may be a somewhat small percentage of "failures", depending on how you define failure. Buts its obvious that the wear-parts in the NV146 are eating themselves. The more-prevalent problems in the earlier models have been "reduced" from mild improvements and TSB's to the existing design, that I will grant you, but the root cause was never addressed due to the costs that would be involved in doing-so. The ridiculous fluid-level tolerences in the transfer case are also a major gripe among some of the more mod-friendly owners. The fact that it takes a a one-off Chrsler transfer case fluid that costs an obscene amount of money is inexcusable with regards to long-term customer satisfaction. This was all done to support the design strategy of the component, which is a friction-clutch/motor-driven/electronically-controlled unit. On paper it probably sounds pretty nifty; in reality, it BLOWS. :rolleyes:

The clutch material was insufficient to support the daily driving habbits of the average buyer. The fixes that followed simply modified the engagement algarithm of the planetary reduction motor to releieve the internal stresses on the clutch, and improve compnent life. Those who sought to add more power to the unit dramatically decreased the fatigue life. The very architecture of the unit itself does NOT lend itself to dramatically higher horsepower levels, and the only reason it continues to function in applications greater than ~500whp is the archaic open-axle front, typically equipped with low frictional coefficient run-flat tires. An open axle? Are you kidding me? What is this 1976? The german and japaneese competition makes the powertrain of the current GEN I Jeep SRT8 look like something from the bottom of an Elizabethan era Ox-Cart.

Point being, please get rid of the NV146 and give us an asymetric viscous-clutch design with all-gear electronic lockers in the pumpkins. Put that flex-ray to use and make sure that 100% of available torque IS being transferred to the wheels with the most traction; if our brothers to the east can do it in a $33k Evo or Sti, then I think we can put it on a bulky American SUV that costs twice as much, don't you? WE're paying $50K plus for these trucks, its time the drivetrain reflected it.



Paddle shifters have been high on the list of requests from current owners, no doubt about it. Is Chrysler finally listening?
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I'd rather have a 6-speed manual option than the " + / - " on the stick shifter moved to paddles on the steering wheels. Paddle shifters on automatics are to make people who know very little about transmissions think they're driving an electric double-clutch manual, when in reality, they just moved the D 1 2 3 to fancy plastic pedals on the steering wheel.