Hey Guys,

Just Got My New Issue Of Car And Driver, And They Tested 4 Suv's.

C&d Ranks Them Like This
1.bmw X5 M
2.porsche Cayenne Turbo S
3.jeep Srt8
4.range Rover Sport S/c
:(

Not bad considering the difference in pricing. If the Rover would have gotten ranked above it I would be upset since they are slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

X5 M is around $100k, and the Turbo S is $126k!

Its more than just speed or quickness I own a Cayenne and its blows away the jeep in all areas except performance but the new Cayenne Turbo S is no joke and uber luxury.

X5 M is around $100k, and the Turbo S is $126k!

$45K brand new fully loaded. I'll take 2 for the price of one....ALL YEAR LONG!:D:D
I'm not a huge C&D fan. They have huge love affairs with BMW and Porsche.

You cant expect the Jeep to win when it hasn't really changed much from the 06!

Yea, it's nice that the jeep is in there!!! I would've rather seen it 1 though :p

do u have a link of the article i would like to read it.

do u have a link of the article i would like to read it.

Don't lie, you can't read..... It should have pictures for you though.

I am honored to be put with such expencive crowd. You could buy 3 jeeps fpr the price of one Cayenne. If I owned a Cayenne I would have been pretty insulted to have the Jeep rated above...

I just read the article. I think it is fair when comparing to the others. If $ was no object I might get the Porsche, the Bimmer is just plain ugly. The SRT8 is the best looking of the bunch IMO.

I was wondering if they would write about the vibration at 70 in the Jeep.

I'm not surprised. Let's hope that they re-do this review in 2012 when the new SRT8 Jeep is unveiled!

I got the mag in friday and saw the article. I think the jeep is #1. I think I might cancel my C&D magazine subscription now lol

Thats not bad at all!!! Motor trend Ranked us #3 for Fastest SUV's on the Road. Heres the ranks. All cars are 100K or more compared to ours. =)
#1
2007 Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG. 0-60: 4.5 sec. 1/4 mile: 13.0 sec @ 108.1 mph. The AMG-tuned version of Benz's second-smallest SUV runs in a dead heat with the Cadillac XLR-V and Pontiac G8 GXP and comes out ahead of the twin-turbocharged BMW 135i and HEMI-equipped Dodge Challenger SRT8, among others. The facelifted 2009 model will likely be just as fast -- if not more so. Keep bringing The Hammer, AMG.
#2
2005 Mercedes-Benz G55 AMG. 0-60: 4.7 sec. 1/4 mile: 13.2 sec @ 103.2 mph. The laws of physics don't really apply to the G55 due to its supercharged 5.4L V-8. In 2005, the powerplant was good for 469 hp and 516 lb-ft of torque and in 2007, AMG threw in an extra 24 ponies to bring it up to 493 hp. Disclaimer: The G55 is not the best choice for chasing highly trained assassins driving beaten up Volga cabs around the streets of Moscow. That Jason Bourne sure can drive.
#3
2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8. 0-60: 4.8 sec. 1/4 mile: 13.5 sec @ 101.6 mph. Whoever said Jeeps were slow never got behind the wheel of this Street Racing and Technology Frankenstein. The Grand Cherokee STR8 is only a half-second slower in the quarter than a 2003 Mustang SVT Cobra and only a tenth behind the Audi S8 and Jaguar XF Supercharged.
#4
2005 Porsche Cayenne Turbo. 0-60: 5.1 sec. 1/4 mile: 13.6 sec @ 101.8 mph. The second-fastest version of the world's most practical Porsche may only be three-tenths of a second slower than a Cayman S in the quarter mile, but for the price of one Cayenne Turbo you can get a matching his and hers Boxsters with enough change left over for a Carribean vacation. Decisions, decisions.

C&D "ALWAYS" rates the newest vehicle #1. ie X5M.

Don't lie, you can't read..... It should have pictures for you though.

lol dont tell every one my secret jk

the porche is fantastic inside , but its fugugly on the outside

Thats not bad at all!!! Motor trend Ranked us #3 for Fastest SUV's on the Road. Heres the ranks. All cars are 100K or more compared to ours. =)
#1
2007 Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG. 0-60: 4.5 sec. 1/4 mile: 13.0 sec @ 108.1 mph. The AMG-tuned version of Benz's second-smallest SUV runs in a dead heat with the Cadillac XLR-V and Pontiac G8 GXP and comes out ahead of the twin-turbocharged BMW 135i and HEMI-equipped Dodge Challenger SRT8, among others. The facelifted 2009 model will likely be just as fast -- if not more so. Keep bringing The Hammer, AMG.
#2
2005 Mercedes-Benz G55 AMG. 0-60: 4.7 sec. 1/4 mile: 13.2 sec @ 103.2 mph. The laws of physics don't really apply to the G55 due to its supercharged 5.4L V-8. In 2005, the powerplant was good for 469 hp and 516 lb-ft of torque and in 2007, AMG threw in an extra 24 ponies to bring it up to 493 hp. Disclaimer: The G55 is not the best choice for chasing highly trained assassins driving beaten up Volga cabs around the streets of Moscow. That Jason Bourne sure can drive.
#3
2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8. 0-60: 4.8 sec. 1/4 mile: 13.5 sec @ 101.6 mph. Whoever said Jeeps were slow never got behind the wheel of this Street Racing and Technology Frankenstein. The Grand Cherokee STR8 is only a half-second slower in the quarter than a 2003 Mustang SVT Cobra and only a tenth behind the Audi S8 and Jaguar XF Supercharged.
#4
2005 Porsche Cayenne Turbo. 0-60: 5.1 sec. 1/4 mile: 13.6 sec @ 101.8 mph. The second-fastest version of the world's most practical Porsche may only be three-tenths of a second slower than a Cayman S in the quarter mile, but for the price of one Cayenne Turbo you can get a matching his and hers Boxsters with enough change left over for a Carribean vacation. Decisions, decisions.

One thing i notice , the G55 does not , and by any chance run these numbers G55 AMG. 0-60: 4.7 sec. 1/4 mile: 13.2 sec @ 103.2 mph. Simple too too HEAVY ASS . That's Jeep numbers right there Lol

For the money the ML63 is the best in my opinion. Much better looking than the X5M or the catfish. How could the Rover ever place above the AMG? The 09 ML's are just mean looking.

I just read this article and I can see how the Jeep got 3rd. The BMW and Porsche ARE faster in all areas. The BMW is pushing 555hp and the Porsche is 550hp ! The Range Rover has 510hp but weighs over 1000lbs more than the Jeep. The Jeep is a good bang for the buck, its half the cost.It get wooped in everything but performance.
Performance: 0-60 & 1/4 0-100sec
Range Rover $82,345> 5.1sec 13.7 @ 104mph 12.4sec
Jeep SRT8 $49,560> 4.4sec 13.2 @104mph 11.8sec
Porsche Turbo S $140,480!!! > 4.1sec 12.6@112 10.1sec
BMW X5M > 4.0sec 12.5@112 $89,875 10.0sec

The only area I can see where it sould be close in a race is 0-60
Otherwise I can see the BMW and Porsche spanking the Jeep.

Nothing that a CMR tune and a CAI Can't fix!!!:D

I doesn't take much money to make the jeep out perform them.

I'm not surprised. Let's hope that they re-do this review in 2012 when the new SRT8 Jeep is unveiled!

We'll see if that even happens, the way things have been going lately:rolleyes:

Nothing that a CMR tune and a CAI Can't fix!!!:D

Amen to that!

I simply cannot believe that everyone is truly ok with this article. I subscribe to all the major automotive magazines as I have since I was around 16 years old. When I ordered my 07 GCSRT8 I rellished in the fact that I felt I had finally "arrived". What I mean is that I felt I finally had purchased a vehicle worthy of being written about and being photographed. I marvelled in the performance and appearance of the vehicle. Then the unthinkable occurred. It didn't take very many months of anxiously awaiting the mail to find out that yep, you guessed it, nobody writes about the GCSRT8. Of course Chrysler has made some very very poor decisons in marketing, vehicle placement, and all other areas of business which make spending journalism time and money on anything they have to offer a bit taboo in nature. However, the GCSRT8 is indeed worthy of print.

Then we have this article that just hit my mailbox yesterday. Car and Drive compared it to three other sport utes that cost anywhere from 60% to over three times as much. And the kicker in the whole situation is that the Jeep is the only naturally aspirated vehicle in the lineup. Yes, I am a numbers based person and can accept that in some categories the Jeep is severely beaten. However, when taking into consideration affordability and everyday driving ability, the Jeep should have had more mention. I am fortunate enough that my wife and I both have exceptional jobs. We are truly blessed. However, I myself and many others cannot afford a $100,000 play toy! Therefore, it is very very clear that the Jeep SRT8 is the only affordable vehicle in the lineup for the average Joe in America.

I just am not comfortable with this comparison. I don't feel that it is well thought out journalism. We are comparing apples to mangos here. I think the more appropriate match would be all american vehicles, or all German vehicles, or all naturally aspirated vehicles, or all blown vehicles. Mixing all of these together in a bag such as they did, creates a motley crew that isn't exactly fair to compare against one another. Don't get me wrong, I do hate it that there are faster machines out there (in one way, in another way I am glad as it is this fact that may push Jeep to make the GCSRT8 even faster). However, I am not trying to belly ache because we lost. I just dont' see how an X5M owner could feel a sense of accomplishment. Would we feel a sense of accomplishment if compared to a Kia suv and we stomped it? Not really.

All this being said, I am glad we finally got some coverage. I just hate it that the world is not going to have enough insight to see why we didn't rank #1 and will simply look at it and think, "hmmm, I thought those Jeeps were supposed to be fast?"

Just my two cents. Thanks to everyone for letting me rant. Everyone have a happy holiday season and by all means drive safe!

James

Over the top luxury really doesn't justify the price to me

I'm just as comfy in my Jeep as i have been in cars that cost $100k more

I do like the exterior of the RR...But im glad we rank up there next to these expensive Suv's. A 50k brick that will give those pos a run for there money!!!

would anyone mind scanning the article?

crazy times when a 90k BMW can be viewed as a bargain...

the 2011 grand cherokee looks to be just as nice in appearance, fit and finish, and probably damn close in terms of material selection (atleast compared with the X5). im worried though that an SRT version, even with 510+ horse, won't best the current gen by much let alone show the x5m and turbo s some taillights. word has it its based on the next gen ML platform. the current ML63 with 510horse is scarcely quicker than we are now.

For the cash how can you beat the Jeep...who wants to pay 80-100k for an SUV...at that point I want a Z06 or something crazy...SRT-8 is awesome can't wait to own one.

I've been reading the same car magazines for ever and they always do these Apples to Oranges comparisons all the time. Like the time they compared the V8 Mustang to the V6 Camaro. The list can go on and on. I havn't read the article, but I do think, for the most people who read this, will see how, this 40K Super SUV can keep up with these, "untouchables", then they'll think twice and go check one out if they get the chance.

I think they do it to get people to write in, so they have something else to write about.

with the money saved by buying the jeep over the other suv's listed, u could buy enough mods for low tens or even make it the first jeep in the 9's

Is this on the C&D website? I looked, but could not find it. All I found was http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/showthread.php?p=495800#post495800

i didnt see it on their website either, my scanner is down or i would post it

I've been reading the same car magazines for ever and they always do these Apples to Oranges comparisons all the time. Like the time they compared the V8 Mustang to the V6 Camaro. The list can go on and on. I havn't read the article, but I do think, for the most people who read this, will see how, this 40K Super SUV can keep up with these, "untouchables", then they'll think twice and go check one out if they get the chance.

I think they do it to get people to write in, so they have something else to write about.

C&D are well known BMW whores as well

that said I cant really fault them for picking the X5 (having not read the article anyways).

i wonder why they didn't test the ml63?

A fair comparison was TBSS to SRT8....anything else is silly.

I magazine always arrives 1-2wks after everyone...I swear I think some one at the post office reads them before routing it. Haha.

I just got mine in today.It's really mixed company being a $30k+ price difference between the next vehicle.I feel honored to be in that kind of elite company.I don't know why they were so quick to bash the interior?I feel it's a nice interior and not over complicated like some of the others,and I feel it's on par with the price they run.I wonder also why they didn't include the ML63 either?

C&D is a front for BMW Marketing. Anything BMW is generally #1 or 'could have been #1 if it wasn't for some small reason'. Doesn't surprise me that BMW's new M powered SUV won this comparison.

Interesting...
Here's the BMW guys all gloating over it... all forced induction SUVs against the NA Jeep.

http://www.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325408

Car and Driver dinged the Jeep pretty heavily on interior design, towing (riiiiiight.... :rolleyes: why not rank off-road rock climbing ability while you're at it) and "ride", though they liked the exterior styling and cargo space. To give you an idea of the group of vehicles we're talking about here... it ranked tied #1 for FUEL ECONOMY.... LOL

By the way, the X5 weighs 5329 lbs!!!. All that extra sound-proofing and luxury comes at a price. Must be making some serious power (twin turbo 4.4L V8, 555 HP). They actually DIDN'T like the suspension, seats and heavy steering on the BMW (there's that weight factor again!). The Jeep tied the fastest time on rolling start 5-60 mph with the BMW (4.9 secs).

As someone said, you can spend the extra $40k on some serious mods for the Jeep. Hell, let Hennessey or Chip Foose go all crazy on it. HPE600 Hennessey? Tony Hawk says bye bye everyone.

Nice post by the way, Stryker1....!

Certainly C&D may have a bias towards BMW and or new vehicles, but I am still honored to have my vehicle be compared to great standing car manufacturers such as Porsche and BMW. this article doesn't take into account a price range for if it did I believe the jeep would be a shoe in at the number one spot. Nice find on the article.

Thanks for the link Limey. At least one of the BMW owners has a scanner:D.

It did give the Jeep a 20 for value. The Jeep really is underpowered compared to the others. If the Jeep had a supercharger or turbo, it would be a closer match.

I would still prefer to have the Jeep with $50k in the glovebox.

Thanks for the link Limey. At least one of the BMW owners has a scanner:D.

No workin' furries, mate.
Everyone, keep an eye out for my letter in the next edition of Car and Driver:

I really enjoyed your article comparing the new BMW X5-M with other high-performance SUVs currently on the market. It's amazing that we're in a time now where we can purchase stock 500+HP utility vehicles that weigh over 2.5 tons and will do 0-60 in four seconds. Nothing like kicking sand in the face of the "muscle car" era! It looks like a lot of our ability to attain this performance plateau is due to improvements in forced induction, whether it be turbo-chargers or superchargers. With this in mind, and as an owner of the only naturally aspirated vehicle in this particular test, allow me to beg the question you've probably received numerous times already: Given the Jeep is about half the price of it's nearest competitor, how about leveling the playing field and spend the difference on a turbo or supercharger system for the Jeep, a la the Hennessey HPE600? Many of us in the now-maligned Cherokee SRT community would be interested to see how a near-equal disbursement of funds would affect the outcome in this matchup...

Screw leveling the playing field. Let's have them compete against the HPE800 !! We'd still have plenty of money left over from the Cayenne.

It's finally up on their site: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/09q4/x5_m_vs._grand_cherokee_srt8_range_rover_sport_sup ercharged_cayenne_turbo_s_-comparison_tests

Wondering where and in what conditions they tetd this cars , Cayenne and X5 1/4 in 12.5-6 :eek:

$130K for the porsche?!?

I would take a Jeep with 50K in mods over that anyday!
and use the left over $$ to bring all my boys ballin in vegas, or miami for a few week or so :D