The Competition (http://www.ststurbo.com/trailblazer)

Beware at the traffic lights...

Who kicks the crap outta 'em stock vs stock? Riiiiight? The man with the most mods is always gonna win unless they really cannot drive worth a crap.

Stock sucks.

Stock sucks.


So do dingleberry turbos.


SRT8 + Stage 6 > TBSS + STS

I wish STS would do a system for us. A number of the Vette guys have them and love them. Tuning will still be the major issue, but just imagine having a pair of turbos sitting where the resonators used to be :D

I'm guessing that their claiming 430 at the wheel (because of their 340 stock figure). We still have better gearing for off the line duty, but that would be a fast truck especially if it had forged internals, lower compression, bigger boost, etc! The worst part is you probably woudn't even know what they had you until they flew by.

I wonder if their figures are based on 2 or 4 wheel drive.

Ok so $7 to 10K later you now have the same HP that I have with Bolt ons but with a s/c. Its your dime.

Ughh....

I have such a hard time even distinguishing what a TBSS is. They need to mod their suv's just to keep up. Have fun with your Isuzu Ascender...I mean Envoy...err Buick...no I mean Trailblazer.....

Inferno,

I do not understand your comment above. "Ok so $7 to 10K later you now have the same HP that I have with Bolt ons but with a s/c. Its your dime"

At every chance you get, you tell us all how you run 12.5 with bolt ons. So it's one of two things, the rest of us were not so lucky at purchase or you have figured out the right combo with bolt ons? I believe at purchase, but if it’s the mods please due tell so we do not have to spend 7 to 10 K to be like you or quit bragging.

Chris

Inferno,

I do not understand your comment above. "Ok so $7 to 10K later you now have the same HP that I have with Bolt ons but with a s/c. Its your dime"

At every chance you get, you tell us all how you run 12.5 with bolt ons. So it's one of two things, the rest of us were not so lucky at purchase or you have figured out the right combo with bolt ons? I believe at purchase, but if it’s the mods please due tell so we do not have to spend 7 to 10 K to be like you or quit bragging.

Chris

Why don't you read his sig??? :rolleyes:

I am pretty sure that INFERNO is trying to insult the TBSS. How they have to spend that type of money just to compete with us and a few bolt ons.

I am sure my Jeep is also running in the mid to high 12's just from running a few friends with mid to low 12 cars. I am confidant that with my upcoming mods plus the supercharger in two months i will easily get into the 11's.... depending on traction.

Supposedly there is a TT TBSS running around Tampa, I hope i run into him!

Doesnt the Hennessy turbo look like an STS remote turbo?

I wish STS would do a system for us. A number of the Vette guys have them and love them. Tuning will still be the major issue, but just imagine having a pair of turbos sitting where the resonators used to be :D

I'm guessing that their claiming 430 at the wheel (because of their 340 stock figure). We still have better gearing for off the line duty, but that would be a fast truck especially if it had forged internals, lower compression, bigger boost, etc! The worst part is you probably woudn't even know what they had you until they flew by.

I wonder if their figures are based on 2 or 4 wheel drive.

kind of, It is mounted where the cats would be. instead of like the STS which are usually mounted right before tailpipe. LOTS MORE PLUMBING

Why don't you read his sig??? :rolleyes:

I attribute most of the performance gap to his valve covers.

:)

Alex

I am sure my Jeep is also running in the mid to high 12's just from running a few friends with mid to low 12 cars.

So on the optimistic side you're running mid-12's with thermostat, fan mod, cai, and exhaust? If that's true, I need to get the thermostat and fan mod. I haven't gotten out to the track yet, so I have no idea.

Alex

So on the optimistic side you're running mid-12's with thermostat, fan mod, cai, and exhaust? If that's true, I need to get the thermostat and fan mod. I haven't gotten out to the track yet, so I have no idea.

Alex

Yea, very optimistic. I raced a GTO (friend) that ran 12.4 Before he had a cam and a different tune. I held him off till 105 or so. I know he had traction problems even on his Drag Radials but still. He had to run in the High 12's with his slippage in First gear.

My mods are the same, minus headers, as Infernos so I am thinking i will be close to that, I am also in FLA so almost at sea level and the weather has been nice. I will try to get to the track Thursday Night.

Plus i have owned some fast cars even a 13.7 F350 CC 4x4 and my SOP 1/4 mile meter reads much fast that everything i have owned except for my MKIII GTI VR6 with 12 PSI on the vortech. That was a low 12's car.

Ughh....

I have such a hard time even distinguishing what a TBSS is. They need to mod their suv's just to keep up. Have fun with your Isuzu Ascender...I mean Envoy...err Buick...no I mean Trailblazer.....
...Bravada. :D

Ok so $7 to 10K later you now have the same HP that I have with Bolt ons but with a s/c. Its your dime.

Its a turbo not a S/C, So have you dynoed over 430 HP at the tires?

The TBSS with a STS system is making over 500 HP at only 6 psi of boost, and the killing part is that if you were to pull up next to one you would not know what hit you.

The TBSS with a STS system is making over 500 HP at only 6 psi of boost, and the killing part is that if you were to pull up next to one you would not know what hit you.

Hopefully it wouldn't be parts of his transmission that hit me:eek: ...I do hate scratches

Wow... I can see how you guys get a bad rep. Someone of you need to tone down the ego.

It's like you guys don't respect anything. Only a true enthusiast would buy that turbo, so why not give props and credit instead of down talking and acting better?

It's like 3 SRT8's go up for sale every week here... Hmmm

Really, get outta the clouds.

Flame suit on. :eek:

Inferno,

I do not understand your comment above. "Ok so $7 to 10K later you now have the same HP that I have with Bolt ons but with a s/c. Its your dime"

At every chance you get, you tell us all how you run 12.5 with bolt ons. So it's one of two things, the rest of us were not so lucky at purchase or you have figured out the right combo with bolt ons? I believe at purchase, but if it’s the mods please due tell so we do not have to spend 7 to 10 K to be like you or quit bragging.

Chris

Bragging? Can you read? Read my sig and pull whatever crawled up your ass out.

Its a turbo not a S/C, So have you dynoed over 430 HP at the tires?

The TBSS with a STS system is making over 500 HP at only 6 psi of boost, and the killing part is that if you were to pull up next to one you would not know what hit you.


Dont I wish. Doubt ill be there non F/I to be more correct for you. When you get an SS and F/I we will find out wont we. And FYI there is a boosted SS out there and he is running 12.2-12.3 so I seriously doubt anything would hit me and the boosted SS is saying WTF im boosted and he is right next to me. So with F/I and a tune if we ever get one ide say he would be wondering what hit him.

These comparisons are always interesting. The TBSS with $1500-$2000 worth of bolt ons arguably runs with a stock SRT8 through the 1/4. Add a high stall TC (another $1500 or so) and it will run with a SRT8 with bolt ons (see TonyGXP @ trailvoy.com) . But if youve driven them both, you have found they offer very different driving experiences and serve different audiences. And a well optioned AWD TBSS can approach a base SRT8 in price, although the TBSS supporters sometimes prefer to quote the price of a 2WD base model. Great performance vehicles are often accompanied by fierce rivalries, so let the debate continue!

These comparisons are always interesting. The TBSS with $1500-$2000 worth of bolt ons arguably runs with a stock SRT8 through the 1/4. Add a high stall TC (another $1500 or so) and it will run with a SRT8 with bolt ons (see TonyGXP @ trailvoy.com) . But if youve driven them both, you have found they offer very different driving experiences and serve different audiences. And a well optioned AWD TBSS can approach a base SRT8 in price, although the TBSS supporters sometimes prefer to quote the price of a 2WD base model. Great performance vehicles are often accompanied by fierce rivalries, so let the debate continue!

I agree but the 2WD can be modded easier to catch a stock SRT8 and its cheaper go figure.

Wow... I can see how you guys get a bad rep. Someone of you need to tone down the ego.

It's like you guys don't respect anything. Only a true enthusiast would buy that turbo, so why not give props and credit instead of down talking and acting better?

It's like 3 SRT8's go up for sale every week here... Hmmm

Really, get outta the clouds.

Flame suit on. :eek:


No, a true enthusiast would buy a real turbo kit, not STS.

Originally Posted by StageFright
Its a turbo not a S/C, So have you dynoed over 430 HP at the tires?

Matt's made 420awhp/417awtq with just H/C and completely stock exhaust (manifold to tailpipe), so 430rw even with low boost isn't so impressive.

The TBSS with a STS system is making over 500 HP at only 6 psi of boost, and the killing part is that if you were to pull up next to one you would not know what hit you.

Now reverse the scenario, play it out, and tell me what happens. Also take into account that it probably wouldn't be a poor assumption to recognize that SRT8 owners probably have at least as much if not more scrilla to spend on a turbo kit. The bottom line is he who spends the most wins, always has been.
Now, the real question should be, are you really going to buy a JSRT8?

These are still two very different SUV's. Put the TB SS on the skid pad wont even come close to the Jeep. Do the same mods to each of them and the jeep still wins. The TB SS looks good and runs good but in my opinion GM held back on making it a Jeep killer. It has been all long time since they went after other companies to beat them like in the old days.

The new Z06 is their only fast car now.

Look at their past and what they are capable of compared to this TB SS.

Typhon, Cyclone, Grand national, Camaro SS, These were all designed to whoop up the competition, now they are just playing catch up.

These two SUV's should not be in the same sentence, never mind the same category.

My best friend has a tb ss awd. very nice truck. I dont think it looks as sport but it feels solid and handles well... not as well. to think mopars 6.1 could have a the amount of parts available as the tb ss is insane. what chevy has done is smart. everyone loves corvettes. there is a million and 1 parts for it. most can be made to fit a tb ss, gto, or cts v quite easily. if we focus on what we do have instead of what we dont we are going to be happier about our purchases!!! anything can be fast and someone is always faster! I love my jeep and i believe with my current mods and hopefully someday a supercharger if a good one ever comes out I will waste any suv i meet at a light. not any suv in the world.
what im trying to say and i dont know if any of this made sense cuz im not all here right now ;) these jeeps f*cking rock. get over the tbss or go buy one

The new Z06 is their only fast car now.

So you are saying that the Trailblazer SS, Cadillac CTS-V, and the Corvette Z51 are slow?

Some of you read into everything and want to start something.

For an all out performance car the Z06 goes above and beyond. They have not gone above and beyond in a long time. They have always had a fast car in almost every category.

GTP were nice and very moddable.
The current GTO is nice but now where near its original.
The only promising thing i see is the new camaro, having a 69 myself I love its lines.
The caddy is a caddy. I will give it props but its overpriced and a Caddy.

IMO GM and Ford have gone backwards for the past several years.

Some of you read into everything and want to start something.

"The new Z06 is their only fast car now."

That is a direct quote from you, nothing added or subtracted.

IMO Ford has gone backwards for the past several years.

I'll second that! They need to put out some performance versions of more than just the Mustang.

I have a question?

Isn't the market turning to more of a family style, save on gas type of car? If that is correct than why would Ford or GM focus their cars on performance?

This is a legit question, I don't know the answer as I am just curious and not trying to be a smart ass. Thanks.

When did Chrysler start churning out these hi perf cars? is it just after Daimler got in there? Are they just doing the same thing they are doing with AMG in MB...which started due to the BMW/MBZ power war?

I have a question?

Isn't the market turning to more of a family style, save on gas type of car? If that is correct than why would Ford or GM focus their cars on performance?

This is a legit question, I don't know the answer as I am just curious and not trying to be a smart ass. Thanks.

Short Answer: We are amidst the greatest HP war of all time right now. For at least the next 3 years there are quite a few high to ultra high hp cars/trucks scheduled for release including the blue devil, blown CTS-V, revamped Viper, SRT8s with 6.4, GT500KR, Nissan GTR, etc. Hell even power deficient Lexus is stepping up with the iF and its new 2 door sports car.
Basically all types of cars are progressing on the paths they were intended for. Econo cars will continue to sip fuel more sparingly, while performance vehicles will continue to guzzle it.

I have a question?

Isn't the market turning to more of a family style, save on gas type of car? If that is correct than why would Ford or GM focus their cars on performance?

This is a legit question, I don't know the answer as I am just curious and not trying to be a smart ass. Thanks.

I do believe you are right though, major trend toward Fuel Efficient vehicles. But you have to remember Most of us are in the USA and we are power hungry. There will only be so much sacrifice for HP, regardless of gas prices. And the quality R&D comes from the race and HIGH PO sector of it all. Plus most companies will charge out the whawzoo. So they will make their money as long as they produce a quality product. Right now I think they are limited to the number of quality pieces they put out, both GM & Ford. One of the reasons their skating on the edge of going out of business, and the fact they over pay compensations to employees.... Different subject.

Just saying so far DCM holds the torch. I am sure others will catch up but I am disappointed they fell off in the first place.

Whatever happens, when I graduate (this May) it's either a Vette or SRT8 :)

Whatever happens, when I graduate (this May) it's either a Vette or SRT8 :)

Two very good choices!!

Lots of good input here. Like said earlier, the vette and srt8 are two different animals.

It's kinda cool if you think about our Jeep(SUV) being compared to a Z06(sports car, and a damn nice one at that!!). They shouldn't even be close.:cool: I'd love to have a new Z06 but I need a back seat since my wife and 5 year old daughter like to ride in the Cobra so much.

Short Answer: We are amidst the greatest HP war of all time right now. For at least the next 3 years there are quite a few high to ultra high hp cars/trucks scheduled for release including the blue devil, blown CTS-V, revamped Viper, SRT8s with 6.4, GT500KR, Nissan GTR, etc. Hell even power deficient Lexus is stepping up with the iF and its new 2 door sports car.
Basically all types of cars are progressing on the paths they were intended for. Econo cars will continue to sip fuel more sparingly, while performance vehicles will continue to guzzle it.

Where can we buy the "carbon credits" for these gas guzzlers?

Where can we buy the "carbon credits" for these gas guzzlers?


Can you imagine the ramifications to the auto industry if Al Gore/King Dip**** Liberal makes it into office?

Here's a little something to make you think twice about all the environmentalist BS going on right now:

March 7, 2007

http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/edito...asp?NewsID=188

Prius Outdoes Hummer in Environmental Damage
By Chris Demorro
Staff Writer






The Toyota Prius has become the flagship car for those in our society so environmentally conscious that they are willing to spend a premium to show the world how much they care. Unfortunately for them, their ultimate ‘green car’ is the source of some of the worst pollution in North America; it takes more combined energy per Prius to produce than a Hummer.
Before we delve into the seedy underworld of hybrids, you must first understand how a hybrid works. For this, we will use the most popular hybrid on the market, the Toyota Prius.

The Prius is powered by not one, but two engines: a standard 76 horsepower, 1.5-liter gas engine found in most cars today and a battery- powered engine that deals out 67 horsepower and a whooping 295ft/lbs of torque, below 2000 revolutions per minute. Essentially, the Toyota Synergy Drive system, as it is so called, propels the car from a dead stop to up to 30mph. This is where the largest percent of gas is consumed. As any physics major can tell you, it takes more energy to get an object moving than to keep it moving. The battery is recharged through the braking system, as well as when the gasoline engine takes over anywhere north of 30mph. It seems like a great energy efficient and environmentally sound car, right?

You would be right if you went by the old government EPA estimates, which netted the Prius an incredible 60 miles per gallon in the city and 51 miles per gallon on the highway. Unfortunately for Toyota, the government realized how unrealistic their EPA tests were, which consisted of highway speeds limited to 55mph and acceleration of only 3.3 mph per second. The new tests which affect all 2008 models give a much more realistic rating with highway speeds of 80mph and acceleration of 8mph per second. This has dropped the Prius’s EPA down by 25 percent to an average of 45mpg. This now puts the Toyota within spitting distance of cars like the Chevy Aveo, which costs less then half what the Prius costs.

However, if that was the only issue with the Prius, I wouldn’t be writing this article. It gets much worse.

Building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. As already noted, the Prius is partly driven by a battery which contains nickel. The nickel is mined and smelted at a plant in Sudbury, Ontario. This plant has caused so much environmental damage to the surrounding environment that NASA has used the ‘dead zone’ around the plant to test moon rovers. The area around the plant is devoid of any life for miles.

The plant is the source of all the nickel found in a Prius’ battery and Toyota purchases 1,000 tons annually. Dubbed the Superstack, the plague-factory has spread sulfur dioxide across northern Ontario, becoming every environmentalist’s nightmare.

“The acid rain around Sudbury was so bad it destroyed all the plants and the soil slid down off the hillside,” said Canadian Greenpeace energy-coordinator David Martin during an interview with Mail, a British-based newspaper.

All of this would be bad enough in and of itself; however, the journey to make a hybrid doesn’t end there. The nickel produced by this disastrous plant is shipped via massive container ship to the largest nickel refinery in Europe. From there, the nickel hops over to China to produce ‘nickel foam.’ From there, it goes to Japan. Finally, the completed batteries are shipped to the United States, finalizing the around-the-world trip required to produce a single Prius battery. Are these not sounding less and less like environmentally sound cars and more like a farce?

Wait, I haven’t even got to the best part yet.

When you pool together all the combined energy it takes to drive and build a Toyota Prius, the flagship car of energy fanatics, it takes almost 50 percent more energy than a Hummer - the Prius’s arch nemesis.

Through a study by CNW Marketing called “Dust to Dust,” the total combined energy is taken from all the electrical, fuel, transportation, materials (metal, plastic, etc) and hundreds of other factors over the expected lifetime of a vehicle. The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles - the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.

The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.

So, if you are really an environmentalist - ditch the Prius. Instead, buy one of the most economical cars available - a Toyota Scion xB. The Scion only costs a paltry $0.48 per mile to put on the road. If you are still obsessed over gas mileage - buy a Chevy Aveo and fix that lead foot.

One last fun fact for you: it takes five years to offset the premium price of a Prius. Meaning, you have to wait 60 months to save any money over a non-hybrid car because of lower gas expenses

LOL, Stroked. My kind of Guy you are!

Careful not to start a war here;)

Poor Al Gore "wack job"

LOL, Stroked. My kind of Guy you are!

Careful not to start a war here;)

Poor Al Gore "wack job"

I would love to debate a SRT8 owning environmentalist. ;)

I would love to debate a SRT8 owning environmentalist. ;)


The hypocritical environmentalist does exist AL GORE, bound to be more. But your right that would be an easy debate, put up a mirror and let them argue with themselves.

The hypocritical environmentalist does exist AL GORE, bound to be more. But your right that would be an easy debate, put up a mirror and let them argue with themselves.


I don't recall him ever refusing to ride in that 16,000lbs armoured limo he had as VP. Nor do I remeamber him flying to his election campaigns in a glider.

I don't recall him ever refusing to ride in that 16,000lbs armoured limo he had as VP. Nor do I remeamber him flying to his election campaigns in a glider.

LOL:D :D :D :D

No, a true enthusiast would buy a real turbo kit, not STS.

LOL, this is not a REAL turbo kit. http://images.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/smilielol5.gif
STS in action (http://oi.b5z.net/i/u/1473169/f/Video/brent_gto_10.66_130_mph.wmv)
Another STS car (http://oi.b5z.net/i/u/1473169/i/C5%20Corvette/mike933.wmv)

Would you like some cheese with your words?

LOL, this is not a REAL turbo kit. http://images.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/smilielol5.gif
STS in action (http://oi.b5z.net/i/u/1473169/f/Video/brent_gto_10.66_130_mph.wmv)
Another STS car (http://oi.b5z.net/i/u/1473169/i/C5%20Corvette/mike933.wmv)

Would you like some cheese with your words?

I'd like for you to recognize that STS kits are junk. If I wanted the power curve of a centrifugal blower, I wouldn't buy a turbo in the first place.

http://gallery.viperclub.org/data/500/medium/10300Ass_mount_turbo_setup.jpg

No doubt your C5 is rear mount.

For the record, this is a real turbo kit: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3573124479659719523
By the same guys developing a kit for the Jeep SRT8. Joe's GT is currently making 1700rw on turbo alone, with 75 shot it's over 1900rw.

Now piss off with the constant Chevy Love.

I would love to debate a SRT8 owning environmentalist. ;)

I'm an environmental scientist. Does that count? :cool:

I'm an environmental scientist. Does that count? :cool:
Works for me, Barho!!!. This thread is way off topic anyway, IMO :D

I'm an environmental scientist. Does that count? :cool:


I guess it depends which side of the argument you're on. If you were an environmental activist I don't think the argument would go farther than the hypocrisy of your choice in vehicles. ;)

I guess it depends which side of the argument you're on. If you were an environmental activist I don't think the argument would go farther than the hypocrisy of your choice in vehicles. ;)

You get no argument from me Stroke :)

I am a scientist, not an activist. BIG difference! I believe one needs to look at ALL of the facts, and not just those that argue one side or the other (i.e. the media blew up the fact that the hurricane season was terrible two summers ago with all of the storms we had to help with the global warming scare tactics, but neglected to point out the below normal season the pacific basin had :confused: now why would they do that?).

Anyway, yes, this thread is WAY off topic. And I refuse to get caught in arguments, that's for sure.

I'd like for you to recognize that STS kits are junk. If I wanted the power curve of a centrifugal blower, I wouldn't buy a turbo in the first place.

http://gallery.viperclub.org/data/500/medium/10300Ass_mount_turbo_setup.jpg

No doubt your C5 is rear mount.

For the record, this is a real turbo kit: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3573124479659719523
By the same guys developing a kit for the Jeep SRT8. Joe's GT is currently making 1700rw on turbo alone, with 75 shot it's over 1900rw.

Now piss off with the constant Chevy Love.

Dude, can you spare us your sexual experimentaion pics?, BTW with a little KY and you might get that in there.

So you say that a kit that pushes a street driven GTO to a 10.66 ET is junk?, then you must be driving some real street rockets around, what is your best ET or RWHP numbers?

FYI: My vette has a Turbo Technology Inc. Stage 3 turbosystem (front mount).

The system is innovative. But I would not buy it. It seem to me like quick fix rather then doing it the correct way. Plus looking under the car one would think that it has running water, toilet, sink ,washer...

I could make an adapter for my tailpipe stick a turbo on the end of it and plumb the boost tubing over the top of the car. Kit should be cheap enough that you would not have to run oil to the turbo just remove and replace. JK

Not saying it doesn't work... It does!

OH in a few weeks I will be selling an ECHO powered blower that will mount where your airbox is. Gaurenteed to increase HP!!!! Just doing a little more R&D we cant seem to get it to stop sucking up leaves:confused:

The system is innovative. But I would not buy it. It seem to me like quick fix rather then doing it the correct way.

LOL, so what is the correct way?

LOL, so what is the correct way?

Turbos in the engine bay like every OEM and aftermarket application worth a crap. :rolleyes:

Dude, can you spare us your sexual experimentaion pics?, BTW with a little KY and you might get that in there.

Not my pic, I would never run a POS STS kit.

So you say that a kit that pushes a street driven GTO to a 10.66 ET is junk?, then you must be driving some real street rockets around, what is your best ET or RWHP numbers?

Hey knuckledragger, ownership isn't a prereq. of knowledge, you're living proof of that. 550rw SAE naturally aspirated with a 5.4 4v. What did your C5 make pre turbo? LOL.
I've said it probably a dozen times on this board so far alone, there are 1000HP Evo's running around, sorry if your example doesn't impress me. Show me some 6-7-8 second cars using the STS kit...Good luck.
The bottom line is everyone that knows which side goes up, realizes the downfalls to a rear mount kit. They are simply subpar.

FYI: My vette has a Turbo Technology Inc. Stage 3 turbosystem (front mount).

Explain why you bought a front mount vs. rear mount kit. :rolleyes:

Take a look at the curves from a STS powered GT0 (5.7L):
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33131&d=1145165474

Actually it doesn't even look as good as a cent. blower. Check out the massive 240rwhp @ 3500rpm (remember this is a 346 CI motor), ~330rw @ 4000rpm. You can do better N/A.

You get no argument from me Stroke :)

I am a scientist, not an activist. BIG difference! I believe one needs to look at ALL of the facts, and not just those that argue one side or the other (i.e. the media blew up the fact that the hurricane season was terrible two summers ago with all of the storms we had to help with the global warming scare tactics, but neglected to point out the below normal season the pacific basin had :confused: now why would they do that?).

Anyway, yes, this thread is WAY off topic. And I refuse to get caught in arguments, that's for sure.


I realize the difference between the two "ists";) No hard feelings, just having fun. :p

Hey knuckledragger, ownership isn't a prereq. of knowledge, you're living proof of that. 550rw SAE naturally aspirated with a 5.4 4v. What did your C5 make pre turbo? LOL.
I've said it probably a dozen times on this board so far alone, there are 1000HP Evo's running around, sorry if your example doesn't impress me. Show me some 6-7-8 second cars using the STS kit...Good luck.
The bottom line is everyone that knows which side goes up, realizes the downfalls to a rear mount kit. They are simply subpar.

Paul Major,rear mounted turbo,7.45@187.89 (http://challengevideos.com/video2.php?video=http://www.challengevideos.com/2006/event6/002_corvette_video_06event6_nov4_04.wmv&title=%3Cb%3EP8+Rd3%3C/b%3E+Paul+Major+(2001+Quicksilver+Z06)+vs.Angelo+V alla+(1972+Targa+Blue+Coupe)+Valla)

Mark Maloney,rear mounted turbo,8.60@163.95 (http://www.thevettedoctors.com/videos/boweryboy/vettedoctors-boweryboy860.wmv)



Explain why you bought a front mount vs. rear mount kit.

Because I got a great deal on it.

Sorry chief but I won't resort to namecalling, you call me a knuckledragger but you are the one posting a pic trying to shove a turbo up your arse. :D, now lets see I showed you a 10 second GTO, a 8 second Corvette, and a 7 second Corvette, all with rear mounted turbos, dude you gotta get out more often.

The defense rest.:cool:

Paul Major,rear mounted turbo,7.45@187.89 (http://challengevideos.com/video2.php?video=http://www.challengevideos.com/2006/event6/002_corvette_video_06event6_nov4_04.wmv&title=%3Cb%3EP8+Rd3%3C/b%3E+Paul+Major+(2001+Quicksilver+Z06)+vs.Angelo+V alla+(1972+Targa+Blue+Coupe)+Valla)

Mark Maloney,rear mounted turbo,8.60@163.95 (http://www.thevettedoctors.com/videos/boweryboy/vettedoctors-boweryboy860.wmv)





Because I got a great deal on it.

Sorry chief but I won't resort to namecalling, you call me a knuckledragger but you are the one posting a pic trying to shove a turbo up your arse. :D, now lets see I showed you a 10 second GTO, a 8 second Corvette, and a 7 second Corvette, all with rear mounted turbos, dude you gotta get out more often.

The defense rest.:cool:

I call them as I see them. ;)

LOL, two cars. :rolleyes: I wonder why everyone else runs traditional mount turbos? Rear mounts are junk, which is why you'll continue to see every factory application and mid to high end aftermarket shop use a traditional mount.
Check the GTO dyno graph I posted, that goat is a dog on the street. You can also make 50rw more than said STS kit with H/C/I on the stock shortblock N/A.

ps. John Mihovetz NHRA Open Comp Elim World Record Holder: 6.61@220 in a 2650lb Mercury Cougar with 2000HP 4.6/4v @ 40psi.

http://www.accufabracing.com/

John, among others (Stage 6, Stainless Works, and literally a few dozen other top fabricators) that have built multiple 6, 7, 8 second cars, won't touch a rear mount with a 10ft pole.

Dyno pull on a STS equipped Trailblazer SS. (westbayou @ TrailblazerSS.com)

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/westbayou/06_tbss_6psi_sts_gil.jpg

280whp @ 3500rpm. Converter specs?

The Competition (http://www.ststurbo.com/trailblazer)

I wish STS would do a system for us. A number of the Vette guys have them and love them. Tuning will still be the major issue, but just imagine having a pair of turbos sitting where the resonators used to be :D

I'm guessing that their claiming 430 at the wheel (because of their 340 stock figure). We still have better gearing for off the line duty, but that would be a fast truck especially if it had forged internals, lower compression, bigger boost, etc! The worst part is you probably woudn't even know what they had you until they flew by.

I wonder if their figures are based on 2 or 4 wheel drive.

Doesnt the Hennessy turbo look like an STS remote turbo?

I have an STS kit and Hennessey also uses their kit according to STS's site.

http://ststurbo.com/sts_revolutionists

If you have any questions PM me and I will try and answer as many as possible.