This is a new thread from "Top 5 Fastest . . ." at http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32045 to discuss how best to implement this idea.

With the various methods to achieve speed and lower ETs, it could be more informative if a list were broken down into categories (or even sub-categories).

Proposed categories for discussion:
Best Speed/Time N/A Jeep
Best Speed/Time S/C Jeep
Best Speed/Time T/TT Jeep
Best Speed/Time Nitrous Jeep
Best Speed/Time Stock Motor/Bolt-ons Only Jeep(?)
Best Speed/Time for Stock SRT8
From these categories, a 'Fastest Overall' listing could be derived.

The idea behind this is that members (and/or vendors) could work their way 'up' in rankings within specific power applications. For a newbie, having a lumped timeslip database with the members above listed, I would be almost be shocked to learn what it would take to compete and may turn away from participating in the forum to some degree. Yet if there was a category that I could jump into if I had the 'modding bug', I may participate even more. Same holds true for vendors.

This also provides vendors with an added method to attract and maintain customers if they can specialize in a specific power application. Vendors can also choose to work across all areas regardless and some would not fit within a specific category but provide a foundation for any/all of them.

Again, just a post for discussion, I would never assume that my idea is perfect. I guess my feeling is that if a timeslip database is to be considered, we should define it, discuss it and apply it to how it improves our community. The owners should be asking that very question first!

1) What is the purpose of the database?
2) How can it be leveraged within the community?
3) How can it add value to the members/sponsors/vendors?
4) Can we structure that data in a way that will apply to #2 and #3? If so, how? If not, why?
5) What are some of the negatives of such a database? How can they be minimized?
6a) Are there other sources like this that we could model after? How are those data sources leveraged by its community?
6b) What can we learn from others experiences?

Please keep the posts on-topic. This is about our community and how we can improve it. For those members who wish to take the Jeep SRT8 to it's limits, this could be a valuable tool. It also allows members to compete on a variety of areas too (ie, RT, 60' times, 1/8 mile, 0-60?) so let's do this right and most of all, let's have FUN.

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Done Peter and good luck. Use this thread to brainstorm ideas and to form the basis of the rules etc. Not saying this will fly or not, but you have to start somewhere and with a plan before presenting it to the admin.

Bernie

Heres what i would like to see as im from the old school of NHRA RECORDS.
1-RACE WT ALL CARS.
2-ALTITUDE (AFTER DA) ALL CARS.
3-N/A RUNS 1/8 & 1/4 MILE UNCORRECTED & CORRECTED THIS KEEPS EVERY 1 ON A EVEN PLAYING FEILD TO SEA LEVEL. AS THIS MAKES IT FAIR TO GUYS THAT RUN AT HI ALTITUDE STRIPS.
4-6.1 HEAVY MODDED WITH TUNE, HEADS,CAM,INTAKE,HEADERS,TRANNY,CONVERT,CAI,STAT.
5-6.1 LIGHTLY MODDED WITH TUNE,CAI,STAT,FULL AFTERMARKET EXHAUST.
6-6.1 BONE STOCK. THIS MEANS NO MODS AT ALL.
7-N/A 426/440 HEAVY MODDED ONLY.
8-F/I 6.1 SAME AS N/A CARS # 1 ONLY
9-F/I 426/440 SAME AS N/A CARS # 1 ONLY
10- IF ANY OF YOU NOT NO YOUR RACE WT THEN TELL ME YOUR BODY WT and YR OF CAR AND ILL GET CLOSE FOR YOU AS I CAN AS MINE WAS WEIGHTED IN RACE TRIM ON NASCAR SCALES. MINE WAS 4935/W/O DRIVER AND WITH DRIVER 5190 AND I STILL HAVE STOCK EXHAUST.
EXAMPLE- MY JEEP
1-5190 LBS.
2-BEST UNCORRECTED DA 1475 FT BEST CORRECTED DA 2579 FT
3-BEST UNCORRECTED 1/8 MILE-8.16@83.92/ 1/4 MILE 12.73@106.30.
3-BEST CORRECTED 1/8 MILE 7.98@85.88/ 1/4 MILE 12.51@108.20
5- LIGHTLY MODDED CAI,CMR DYNO TUNE.

I think this format would provide plenty of information for members to see times, speeds and modifications performed to achieve said results.
http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/showpost.php?p=388917&postcount=30

The only thing I might consider modifying in the above linked post would be a breakout for motor sizes if people are interested in seeing that as a category to start sorting by.

I think it would be good to add the timeslip as backup to your time, speed and could provide the date you raced. From there we could always add additional details such as race weight, or extra info on mods such as exhaust brand or tires.


This is a new thread from "Top 5 Fastest . . ." at http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32045 to discuss how best to implement this idea.

With the various methods to achieve speed and lower ETs, it could be more informative if a list were broken down into categories (or even sub-categories).

Proposed categories for discussion:
Best Speed/Time N/A Jeep
Best Speed/Time S/C Jeep
Best Speed/Time T/TT Jeep
Best Speed/Time Nitrous Jeep
Best Speed/Time Stock Motor/Bolt-ons Only Jeep(?)
Best Speed/Time for Stock SRT8
From these categories, a 'Fastest Overall' listing could be derived.

The idea behind this is that members (and/or vendors) could work their way 'up' in rankings within specific power applications. For a newbie, having a lumped timeslip database with the members above listed, I would be almost be shocked to learn what it would take to compete and may turn away from participating in the forum to some degree. Yet if there was a category that I could jump into if I had the 'modding bug', I may participate even more. Same holds true for vendors.

This also provides vendors with an added method to attract and maintain customers if they can specialize in a specific power application. Vendors can also choose to work across all areas regardless and some would not fit within a specific category but provide a foundation for any/all of them.

Again, just a post for discussion, I would never assume that my idea is perfect. I guess my feeling is that if a timeslip database is to be considered, we should define it, discuss it and apply it to how it improves our community. The owners should be asking that very question first!

1) What is the purpose of the database?
2) How can it be leveraged within the community?
3) How can it add value to the members/sponsors/vendors?
4) Can we structure that data in a way that will apply to #2 and #3? If so, how? If not, why?
5) What are some of the negatives of such a database? How can they be minimized?
6a) Are there other sources like this that we could model after? How are those data sources leveraged by its community?
6b) What can we learn from others experiences?

Please keep the posts on-topic. This is about our community and how we can improve it. For those members who wish to take the Jeep SRT8 to it's limits, this could be a valuable tool. It also allows members to compete on a variety of areas too (ie, RT, 60' times, 1/8 mile, 0-60?) so let's do this right and most of all, let's have FUN.

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Thanks Chris! On first look, I think we'd definitely want to do something around drivetrain in some fashion (i.e., transfer case, converter, tranny) than just a converter column IMO.

I'd add date as well. Good to know WHEN someone posted the time.

I did some research on dragtimes.com and they have a pretty extensive database for use with APIs to build into but that means non-member data would be included in searches. Still, it's an option.

I would love to see this come together...pretty cool thanks for getting it together

Just as some added 'enticement' vBulletin has a module or hack for a timeslip database:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=60945

It didn't list the LX Forum as a user of this feature/hack but useful information nonetheless.

I could not view the screenshots or do much else to investigate this hack but the link has some useful information on it's capabilities and it seems well supported.

Excellent discussion. So what are the criteria for submission, a single time slip from an open to the public racetrack? Video also required? Noting that video isn't always available, and we have a few "private tracks". Any common or suggested forms of "validation"? I realize to a degree we're on our honor. Standarizing the format of proof is an excellent way to make sure there are no issues with claimed times - tracks do funny things after you run, don't give you a slip, might get filmed, but no slip. Recalling procedures and issues from brother sites - we can learn much from how those things are handled and standardized to keep it straight and consistent.

^ I feel that timeslips should be an option but not a requirement to post into the database. As with everything in life, the more you can document an event, the less skepticism there is. What about a * for non-timeslip entires?

I'd say at some point, if someone wants to claim a specific performance and it's a one-off without a timeslip, we should have a method to call that out. If you're consistently running within say .5 secs (or some mutually agreed to differential), then we can as a group agree that it's believable right?

I believe we need either a timeslip or a video. Just claims and we'll be awash in "you won't believe this" posts of time claims. I believe l x forums does an excellent job of maintaining their database and they've got requirements and they stick to them. You want on the list, you satisfy the requirements. Keeps it simple and straight.

My opinion would be like the timeslip database used on the LX forum. :bigthumb:

No timeslip or video.....no spot on list

The lxforums have the perfect timeslip database

It should just be one general list.....with a few columns for mods done to the vehicle and displacement

I'd say at some point, if someone wants to claim a specific performance and it's a one-off without a timeslip, we should have a method to call that out. If you're consistently running within say .5 secs (or some mutually agreed to differential), then we can as a group agree that it's believable right?

Peter there has to be rules not a belief system based on integrity.....Records are records and require documented proof

So far all of the top times have proof

Not sure if i'd count the Hennessey Jeeps due to RACING ON Hennessey's track because it prob isn't NHRA regulated, sanctioned, or licensed...and is operated by Hennessey employees.......I wouldn't even give myself credit for running on that strip

Requirements:

Timeslip(s) or video....multiple timeslips will be needed if time is questionable
Date and time of run
Track and location
Only users QUICKEST time will be used.....even if old setups was quicker etc Sarge 11.05 nitrous and new 11.57 N/A
Must be 100% still a Jeep....not a frame with a Jeep body

Good points Paul. This is the place to discuss what we want so your input is great. I'm not here to argue one point or another, I'm rather trying to generate the discussion so we get exactly what we want. So from your post, I get:

Submission Rules/Requirements:
- Timeslip OR Video
- NHRA sanctioned track or Video
- Must be 100% Street Legal w/current state inspection [proof doesn't need to be posted but submitted?]
- Must be your current setup

The last one is just re-wording your "Only users QUICKEST time will be used.....even if old setups was quicker etc Sarge 11.05 nitrous and new 11.57 N/A" comment. Another thought, we allow 1 entry per vehicle although a member could have multiple entries if they have multiple vehicles.

Data collected:
- Timeslip(s) or video [allow multiple timeslips for consistency proof?]
- Date and time of run [from submitted timeslip]
- Track and Location [NHRA sanctioned track, from submitted timeslip OR from Video]
- current state inspection (can be scanned or photo of sticker)

yes?

Submission Rules/Requirements:

- NHRA sanctioned track or Video
- Must be 100% Street Legal w/current state inspection [proof doesn't need to be posted but submitted?]
- Must be your current setup


Data collected:


- Track and Location [NHRA sanctioned track, from submitted timeslip OR from Video]
- current state inspection (can be scanned or photo of sticker)

yes?

i think these might be pushing it a little far... i mean there isnt any money on this guys... it is for reference... if it is proven to be fake then just throw it out... i guess i mean if someone has a 12.8 i'm sure it is a "street legal" car... and some states like Indiana don't have inspections... and some states like West Virginia doesn't allow Nitrous.... so i think the inspection is a little much...

and i think as long as the track is on www.dragtimes.com so the DA can be checked is enough... i dont know if those are all NHRA tracks or not... but at least it isnt in someone's back yard

No timeslip or video.....no spot on list

The lxforums have the perfect timeslip database

It should just be one general list.....with a few columns for mods done to the vehicle and displacement



Peter there has to be rules not a belief system based on integrity.....Records are records and require documented proof

So far all of the top times have proof

Not sure if i'd count the Hennessey Jeeps due to RACING ON Hennessey's track because it prob isn't NHRA regulated, sanctioned, or licensed...and is operated by Hennessey employees.......I wouldn't even give myself credit for running on that strip

Requirements:

Timeslip(s) or video....multiple timeslips will be needed if time is questionable
Date and time of run
Track and location
Only users QUICKEST time will be used.....even if old setups was quicker etc Sarge 11.05 nitrous and new 11.57 N/A
Must be 100% still a Jeep....not a frame with a Jeep body



I'm down for that thankfully my best pass every I had a camera mounted in the jeep and a vid from outside the jeep

So you'd want something like this:

10/24/2008-Temple Little River Dragway

Mods: CMR tune, 3.5 BWoody

12.58 @ 105.67


Vid:

Inside Jeep (cant really tell much) but you can def hear the TBSS next to me

http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/texastourist/?action=view&current=1a1002.flv

Outside Jeep (LOL at the comments)

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l181/moparfreak_neon/?action=view&current=srt8jeep.flv

Timeslip:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/texastourist/SRT8%20Jeep%20GC/1aa1.jpg

I'd say we are safe to believe any time outside of the top 10

In the top 10 is where everything needs to be in order

If somebody claims a 12.58.....a timeslip is best but a similar run time from a different race is ok as well....

Not sure about multiple entries as BJB will have two Jeeps....is that fair to others who may have a spot? But we will just count is good karma as the bad karma won't really be a Jeep anymore...we can all pretty much easily decide if a Jeep is street legal...no proof needed

We can go by the time the user submits...if Sarge wants his 11.57 on there over his 11.05 then so be it.....he's way more proud of the NA 11.57

what's the problem with multiple entries if it's a different category? If you break categories down in N/A, F/I or Nitrous then you may be on multiple lists. Atleast with a system in place like that, members can look at how and what they can do to their Jeep to become faster. I think that was one of the points that was trying to be made during the OP brainstorming.

My problem is i dont have a scanner or a way to put time slip into puter. Only thing i can do is the guys in here than race or no me would have to take my word for it.

I like to use the live timing service as I hate paper laying around. It's only available at certain tracks. It has everything in one place ET, weather and DA. I just pull it up and save on my computer. This is one of my runs. P136.

http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr71/Toml2008/bandimere13562.jpg

My problem is i dont have a scanner or a way to put time slip into puter. Only thing i can do is the guys in here than race or no me would have to take my word for it.

I think a photo of the timeslip would do. I've seen a few people post them in that fashion.

This thread has been moved to a brand new forum called "Track Talk". It's one of several that have been added. More to follow on that!

Bernie

I say we do it, great idea...but since I am not much of a racer, I will sit back and check out everyone else input.

I like to use the live timing service as I hate paper laying around. It's only available at certain tracks. It has everything in one place ET, weather and DA. I just pull it up and save on my computer. This is one of my runs. P136.

http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr71/Toml2008/bandimere13562.jpg

with that kind of time you dont need to worry about anything :) haha jk

I'm down for that thankfully my best pass every I had a camera mounted in the jeep and a vid from outside the jeep

So you'd want something like this:

10/24/2008-Temple Little River Dragway

Mods: CMR tune, 3.5 BWoody

12.58 @ 105.67


Vid:

Inside Jeep (cant really tell much) but you can def hear the TBSS next to me

http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/texastourist/?action=view&current=1a1002.flv

Outside Jeep (LOL at the comments)

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l181/moparfreak_neon/?action=view&current=srt8jeep.flv

Timeslip:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/texastourist/SRT8%20Jeep%20GC/1aa1.jpg


This format could work too, and we could just use the first post slot to list CONFIRMED times then include a post # where the member posted if people are interested in looking at mods, da, ect. This is simple but could work out great if the OP kept up with the updating in the #1 slot.

Like Paul said, this is for record keeping not hearsay. I agree either video or scanned/photographed of a clear time slip should only be eligible to post.

Is that Vbulliten database still available?