I really need this for my project. I sent the check the end of Feb and you cashed it on March 2nd. You promised to ship the exhaust on March 1st. I have no way of knowing if you are getting my pm's and just ignoring them.....or you are on here and forgetting to check them. Please...I need this for my project. Sorry to post here...but I have no oher way of getting you. I have left messages at the dealership and cell.

Ut oh. This does not sound good.

I did respond to your pm's the second I got back in town. Again I am sorry for the problems, everything is taken care of now.

Don

thanks....but i only got one response saying you would check on it when you got back.......fedex?

If you check your inbox you will see that I did send another one to you when I got back...... an yes it is coming Fed Ex

still not here....I need a tracking number. FEDEX is 1 day from the Chicago , IL area to KY. There is no excuse for this. The original ship date was suppose to be 2/28....it is now 3/16 and it is not here. Not a very professional way to do business. I could have been a potential SRT customer someday.

that's pretty messed up that he's givin u the runaround..I thought champion was a reputable seller.

At the very least, they should have overnighted it at their cost. Bad customer service

At the very least, they should have overnighted it at their cost. Bad customer service

Ok, for those of you who dont know whats going on. I did contact him. There is no way in hell I would have overnighted anything because this was my exhaust an had nothing to do with the dealership. I sent one of my employees to ship it before I left town. Exhaust was never sent, employee is now gone along with the $160 I recieved from Scott. So I get back in town, I have to pay to give this to him. I am fine with that as it is not his fault that I got screwed. But I would like to thank Scott very very much for making me look like the dirt bag that I apparently am!!

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hold on....how did he take the $160.....I have an online account and the check was signed by you and deposited into a Baxter credit union account. I cant read the stuff written under your name...it looks like "pay to the order of Cleo McC....." but I can call my bank and find out. I am not trying to make you look like a dirt bag....but all you had to do was let me know this. This is the first i have heard this. If he just took the $160....you need to file a police report and ship my exhaust...BEFORE I FILE A POLICE REPORT! So be honest here......has the exhaust shipped? If it has please PM ME the tracking number! That is all you had to do and I would have left you alone. The original aggreement was for you to ship the exhaust on 2/28. I sent the check that day...just as I promised. What if the tables were turned? what would you do?

Normally, I do not like to get involved in other's disputes, but I must say this is the first negative incident that I have heard regarding Champion. People normally rave about this company.

I have no idea who wronged who, but I did want to provide some objectivity.

Ok, for those of you who dont know whats going on. I did contact him. There is no way in hell I would have overnighted anything because this was my exhaust an had nothing to do with the dealership. I sent one of my employees to ship it before I left town. Exhaust was never sent, employee is now gone along with the $160 I recieved from Scott. So I get back in town, I have to pay to give this to him. I am fine with that as it is not his fault that I got screwed. But I would like to thank Scott very very much for making me look like the dirt bag that I apparently am!!

You seem like a nice guy who has helped some forum members get SRT8s at good deals and make some commission on those sales. Therefore, in many of our eyes you are a business person and whether you sell something via the dealership or personally on this board, it will be viewed as one in the same.

My concern is it sounds like you trusted some random person with a) your money, b) sending an item to a forum member and c) with following up on the transaction. That's a lot to assign to someone you couldn't trust. As a business person, your judgment seems to be a concern. Again, it doesn't sound like this was intentional, but it will be in your best interest to change the negative perception this issue has caused. This was only 160 bucks but imagine future forum members who send you 10K for a deposit on a new ride and how this might be on the back of their minds.

When we sold our Corvette, my dad was going to come to him for a 2008 Viper. Forget it now, we'll deal with our sales guy here. http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/ugh.gif

Champ, relax, and thanks for your side. Its always easy to critisize someone without all the facts, especially on an internet forum. You have shown yourself to be very reputable based on what I have read here. I am in your nexk of the woods, and would certainly consider you....

The guy sounds like a babbling baby, and should have waited for your side before he goes running to the internet.

A babbling baby? It looks pretty clear cut to me. He handeled the deal like it was nothing. JLandBL pointed out the obvious mistakes and carelessness of the transaction. I used to work in sales for many years, selling high end home theatre systems that cost more than our vehicles (we had speakers retail for $70,000) and I ALWAYS handeled the deals as if they were of utmost importance. Whether I was selling a $500 dvd player or a $30,000 projector.

He dropped the ball.

and you never dropped the ball? Come on, get real. I doubt there is really anyone here, or anywhere that has never dropped a ball. Is he making it right? I agree, buy your Dad's Viper someplace else.

Too many happy people with Champ, and only one dissatisfied, for me to jump to any conclusions. If I need something he's selling, I'll still deal with him.

Alex

hold on....how did he take the $160.....I have an online account and the check was signed by you and deposited into a Baxter credit union account. I cant read the stuff written under your name...it looks like "pay to the order of Cleo McC....." but I can call my bank and find out. I am not trying to make you look like a dirt bag....but all you had to do was let me know this. This is the first i have heard this. If he just took the $160....you need to file a police report and ship my exhaust...BEFORE I FILE A POLICE REPORT! So be honest here......has the exhaust shipped? If it has please PM ME the tracking number! That is all you had to do and I would have left you alone. The original aggreement was for you to ship the exhaust on 2/28. I sent the check that day...just as I promised. What if the tables were turned? what would you do?

Champ, if you have not shipped the exhause, I would hold it back, and just return his money. THere will be a scratch on it, he will will post till the cows come home on how you sent his a defective part.


I will take the Viper next year, it Rattlesnake Green.

and you never dropped the ball? Come on, get real. I doubt there is really anyone here, or anywhere that has never dropped a ball. Is he making it right? I agree, buy your Dad's Viper someplace else.

+1...come on Mango, to jump right in, when none us here know the true facts, and at this point it is a "he said she said". And be so set in your opinions. And as per above.....you never dropped the ball?

Shodanusmc is right.......if you make snap decisions like this based on some small internet dispute, you need to be buying your Viper, sorry your Dad's, with your local sales guy. And, as for the bit about "I used to work in sales yada, yada, yada has no relevance to their issue. Just my 2 cents based on my perception of your wording.:)

If any of you here feel this is good enough reason to not do business with me.....fine. I am not one to cry over spilt milk. Scott is getting his exhaust as promised. People need to undestand that in life things dont always go as expected. An I treat all of my customers the same whether they are buying a $90,000 car or spending $160 on an exhaust. I am very aware of the fact that yes, no matter what I do at this point Scott will have something to complain about. And as for people giving me a $10,000 deposit on an SRT......

First of all I wouldnt accept it. I have had quite a few members here who have wanted to leave very large deposits on their SRT's. I wont let anyone do that who hasnt seen their new ride first.

And second, ask any one of the numerous people who have bought from me how they were handled.

An at that point if you dont believe you should do business with me, then we will call it a mutual feeling.

Agree. Time to let this thread die....No one is perfect, sh1t happens. I would not hesitate to do business with you in the future....and I will check out the 08 Viper. To me, at my age, service is actually more important than receiving the lowest price.

My .02, Scott has a gripe, and Champ has a right to defend. This should have never been put in a public thread and should have been handled privately if you ask me.

I too agree with Shoda. Just return the money and move on. Some people will cry even if you bend over backwards to fix a situation. Everyone screws up. As far as the sales things go, I too have been in sales for 17 yrs and have had 12 locations running at one point, and know first hand that you cant always make everyone happy no matter what you do.

+1...come on Mango, to jump right in, when none us here know the true facts, and at this point it is a "he said she said". And be so set in your opinions. And as per above.....you never dropped the ball?

Shodanusmc is right.......if you make snap decisions like this based on some small internet dispute, you need to be buying your Viper, sorry your Dad's, with your local sales guy. And, as for the bit about "I used to work in sales yada, yada, yada has no relevance to their issue. Just my 2 cents based on my perception of your wording.:)

Old people are wise.

;)

Alex

Godfather, lets try to hook up some time on 3/31 or 4/1. You can drive the Bee, and see what you think.

same thing happend to me, champ, awhile back... sorry to hear your name is getting dragged through the mud.

Old people are wise.

;)

Alex

We just made our share of mistakes, and hopefully learned from a few of them. I am so old my kids have already started spending their inheritance, and have picked out my burial plot.

We just made our share of mistakes, and hopefully learned from a few of them. I am so old my kids have already started spending their inheritance, and have picked out my burial plot.

I was speaking from experience, being a member of the exclusive old dude club.

Alex

Nothing wrong with us old Dudes....hell, we Rock!

the problem is...I tried to handle it privately and got NO RESPONSE. Well....he did respond initially saying "he was busy, didnt get to send it and would send his assistant down in the morning....I believe that was 2/28. Then I get no response till 3/9 saying he would be back in Chicago this Monday and would see what the problem was. I was fine with that. The next and last response I got was saying that it was in his demo and he would take care of it. This is not the first or the last transaction I will conduct on the internet. This is also not the first vehicle I have modded whatsoever. The problem here has been unkept promises or lies....if you will. I was first promised to ship it on 2/28....thought that was kinda weird he would ship before payment...but whatever. He even called me saying his assistant was at FEDEX right then shipping it and was it ok if he sent the back half of the exhaust instead of the whole exhaust. Something about charging him $50 for bubble wrap. I agreed it was ok if he would send the next half if I needed it. It is now 3/17 and no exhaust. As far as people jumping to conclusions and saying i will not be happy regardless what he does....is crazy. This entire 3 weeks all he had to do was send the tracking number....but has he? NO! I am a very understanding guy! All he had to do was send me or respond to my last couple pm's and tell me the situation with his assistant and say he would ship it as soon as he could. I am busy as well...I have a transaction right now where i sold a srt8 rear bumper to boostedcayenne.....I got his money tuesday and immediately pmed him to let him know that I was away for business/work and would ship it today. The bashing of me calling nme a whiney baby was just wrong. I have been very patient with this entire situation.

no ones name is being dragged through the mud....all of this is the truth. So he has sold a few cars to people here......your reputation just doesnt hinge on a couple sales...but all sales. I tried to keep it private and got no responses

and you never dropped the ball? Come on, get real. I doubt there is really anyone here, or anywhere that has never dropped a ball. Is he making it right? I agree, buy your Dad's Viper someplace else.


No, I have never "dropped" the ball when I was working as a salesman. I can tell you as fact, there was never a time where I did NOT respond to a customers call. Where I did NOT deliver a product as promised. I never once handed my deals off to a random "person" to complete.

Your point?

a lot of you guys are right....its only $160. I will be totally honest....I have "dropped the ball" before on a sale of some door panels from a 02 Cougar....but the difference was I contacted the guy and told him it slipped my mind amd told him the day it would ship. Then I followed through and shipped the item......then sent him a tracking # and he was totally understanding. Don did respond saying he was out of town...then responded saying he would ship the item....but he was very vague and has never sent a tracking #. That leads me to believe it has never been shipped. If it was me with someone questioning me and my integrity....I would break my back to get it shipped and get them the number.

It's time like this when picking up the phone, and not relying on the internet makes a world of difference. Scott, I think this thread has run it's course. Are you and Don communication (one way or the other) now, outside of this thread (PM, email, phone)?

I agree....I have his email and work phone...but I think its kinda inappropriate to call him at work since this has nothing to do with selling a car. I have left messages on his voice mail though. I am in no way trying to bash Don or ruin his reputation on here...I just want what I paid for....regardless how much money it cost.

My .02, Scott has a gripe, and Champ has a right to defend. This should have never been put in a public thread and should have been handled privately if you ask me.

Well said!

No, I have never "dropped" the ball when I was working as a salesman. I can tell you as fact, there was never a time where I did NOT respond to a customers call. Where I did NOT deliver a product as promised. I never once handed my deals off to a random "person" to complete.

Your point?

I never said "dropped " when working as a Salesperson. I meant life in General.

No point at all now. Hell, no way I can compete here in a literary joust with someone that never dropped the ball. I have dropped more than my share, and I tried to learn from each instance. Hell, I keep buying DCX products!!!!

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as scott said, he wasn't getting any response from champion..for a long time. that was the reason he posted in the forum. he did the right thing, too. if i sent some money to a seller here and didn't get my ****, and on top of that i couldn't get in contact with the guy for a while..i would post about it immediately. this may motivate the guy to protect his reputation and send me my ****, or at the very least may keep some other victims from losing their $. this type of communication helps us all, in the long term.

Victims? Ok, this has really past the point of no return.

as scott said, he wasn't getting any response from champion..for a long time. that was the reason he posted in the forum. he did the right thing, too. if i sent some money to a seller here and didn't get my ****, and on top of that i couldn't get in contact with the guy for a while..i would post about it immediately. this may motivate the guy to protect his reputation and send me my ****, or at the very least may keep some other victims from losing their $. this type of communication helps us all, in the long term.


You are so right....I couldnt agree more. Thank the lord you have been saved from championjeep the thief!!!

And oh my god I am so sorry I wasnt easy to get ahold of while I was driving 7000 miles around the country delivering SRT8's to the people here I am stealing from an lying to. I guess with all that extra money I have made I could afford a better cell plan huh..........

You are so right....I couldnt agree more. Thank the lord you have been saved from championjeep the thief!!!

And oh my god I am so sorry I wasnt easy to get ahold of while I was driving 7000 miles around the country delivering SRT8's to the people here I am stealing from an lying to. I guess with all that extra money I have made I could afford a better cell plan huh..........

Wow. I don't think my 10 year old could have typed something so immature.


I think I see what the problem is.

I think this case needs to be closed. The two involoved parties can talk awya from this thread. Any objections with good reason?

I think this case needs to be closed. The two involoved parties can talk awya from this thread. Any objections with good reason?

Shut her down, Scotty.

Alex

I'm gonna close her down....but I can tell Mr. Conrad that if I dont get a tracking number or it isnt delivered Monday....I will file an internet fraud complaint. I have researched it and know exactly what to do. Enough of this crap.............................................. .......typical car salesman!

Its good to see people bring this kinda stuff to light, I want to know about bad service as well as good.

I think this case needs to be closed. The two involoved parties can talk awya from this thread. Any objections with good reason?


I would have shut it down 2 pages ago! But it makes for entertaining reading. :D

Its good to see people bring this kinda stuff to light, I want to know about bad service as well as good.
Agreed.......

this sounds shady

I won't delete it, becuase I think all this type of info is valuable to members. But I do think it's run it's course.....

What is everyones excuse for him now! He cashed my check on 3/2 and I still do not have the exhaust or a tracking number! I have pmed, emailed several times and have not received an answer from him since 3/13! All he has to do is ship the damn thing and send me a tracking number! Come on DON.....where are your excuses now? In the last thread...which I will link....you said the exhaust had shipped and "I would get it"! But I would probably have a problem with it and nick pick it!!! You got to ship it before I can have a problem with it! I call for an all out BAN! I have filed a complaint with the Internet Crime website setup by the FBI and Justice Dept. You....Mr Don Conrad...will be hearing from the authorities! You can explain it to them why I havent received what i paid for! This is not a joke! I would say your Jeep SRT8 selling days on here are over....how silly...over shipping a simple exhaust! You made your bed....no lay in it! BUM!

Hereare some of the BS quotes from Don:

"I did respond to your pm's the second I got back in town. Again I am sorry for the problems, everything is taken care of now."

"If any of you here feel this is good enough reason to not do business with me.....fine. I am not one to cry over spilt milk. Scott is getting his exhaust as promised. People need to undestand that in life things dont always go as expected. An I treat all of my customers the same whether they are buying a $90,000 car or spending $160 on an exhaust."

Don
What a joke!


Original thread.....

http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3179

That sucks,

What exhaust are you waiting for?
My B&B took a month to be manufactured.

But hats off to Edwin at SouthernHotRod He kept me in the loop and made many calls on my behalf.

Caveat Emptor

does he live far from you? maybe you should see him in person and straighten everything out.

WOW! It's aweful that it had to come to this. I hope it gets resolved quickly.

Yikes...if you used a credit card I would contest the charge and move on to buying the exhaust from someone else. That's too bad, this should be fun especially when you are spending your $$.

Caveat Emptor

All this over a $160.00 exhaust. Did he offer to refund you the money??


Hey Shoda, I actually had to google that to find out what it meant.

he has offered to do nothing! yeah its just $160....but its the principle of the thing for me. I would be going after him if it was just $1. I hate dishonest people and this has been nothing but lies. He obviously has stolen my money and doesnt care. I think this thread and the last thread and the fact that I have received no refund, no exhaust, no tracking number and he hasnt even bothered to respond. I call for an all out BAN!

Don....when you read this....dont send the exhaust....send a refund and I will drop all charges.

... another satisfied customer.

Best price around! Any car, any color, $500 under, no ups, no extra's. Service? You want service too?

Don, send him his money back when you come back from the Repo depot after dropping off 10 more SRT's.

come on Don....respond....your looking....

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Wow that sucks. I know what it feels like. Sold a tach on ebay. The guy did a chargeback and I got screwed out of a Tach, and I had to replenish my Paypal account.

I hope he sends your money back...

I wont see it till the authorities knock on his door....then he may change his tune

kick this D bag off the forums

Now thats bad :S .. this is a lesson for u guys to not trust anyone in the internet .. I hope you get your money back bro :S

How long are you gonna keep doing this?? Your exhaust was delivered to your door two days ago. Funny how you left that out. But you are right, I should be banned just cause you feel the need to cry about something. As I said before..... Sorry it took as long as it did. I will leave this alone now so you can go back to telling people about how I will steal from them.

If it was delivered 2 days ago, why was this thread even made Scott?

:confused: :confused: :confused:

show proof then *******.......I have never received anything! I guess now your gonna play that "its delivered card." If it was delivered...then cough up the tracking number and prove to everyone that I'm a liar!!

If it was delivered 2 days ago, why was this thread even made Scott?


EXACTLY! He is LYING! If I had received the exhaust i wouldnt have said another word! Come on Don...produce the tracking number! LOSER!

Well, if this was truly a personal sale by Don, and he is having issues due to someone leaving his dealership and leaving him holding the bag, he might want to talk to the owner and see if he can help with the refund.

It's only $160. And if I were the owner and heard that my dealership name was being dragged through the mud I would:

1. Make it right myself; and
2. Most likely fire the individual who caused others to think poorly about my dealership (i.e. Don)

I'm going to assume that since this has obviously been going on for awhile, that when sent, Don, your shipment required a delivery signature. Maybe letting Scott know who signed for it would clear this up.

As said....why is there no tracking #? There should be if shipped UPS or Fedex.

This all over $160? There is no reason why this can't be straightened out.

I have to say though, that I bought a $600 painting from someone. Sent him $ and he claimed it was shipped USPS priority with signature required.

Long story short, 2.5 weeks went by and nothing. The seller claimed he had a tracking #, but couldn't find the receipt. I told him to go back where he shipped it from and get the #. Week 3 rolls by and he found the receipt and gave me the tracking # and apologized.

He actually sent the item the day after receiving payment. I was contacted by USPS that the item was mistakingly diverted and was lost in the pipeline. Ended up receiving the item about a month after the transaction took place.

I just talked to Don personally and he says it shipped weeks ago...but he didnt get a tracking number from FEDEX. I told him to be honest and he called me and I quote " you f'in ***got &^%^%$^%$^%! Then he hung up. So I politely called his general manager....Don Smith and he is checking this out personally and said this was unacceptable. You guys are right....all shipping companies provide a tracking number.....if he shipped it and fedex lost it....which is highly unlikely....an exhaust is pretty good sze...there would be a tracking number. He says he shipped it but didnt get a tracking number.....come on Don.......get the tracking number that shows it was delivered 2 days ago!

I'm going to assume that since this has obviously been going on for awhile, that when sent, Don, your shipment required a delivery signature. Maybe letting Scott know who signed for it would clear this up.

dude....obviously he hasnt shipped it. FEDEX comes to my house about 3-4 times a week and i know the driver personally. They have no exhaust for me.

This really does seem like a bunch of little kids fighting. This should never have taken place on here. If you have an issue, it won't be resolved by complaining on a forum. Unless you are deliberately trying to make him look bad... and you are the only member that has complained about him.

1. If Don is lying... then you got screwed
2. If he isn't lying... then you look like an ass

He says he shipped it but didnt get a tracking number.....come on Don.......get the tracking number that shows it was delivered 2 days ago!

I constantly ship items with fedex and EVERY package has a tracking number. It does not have to be signed for unless you checked the box. Also, he may not have known he had a tracking number and maybe lost the receipt.

letb me just pose this question to to all that have responded....
Why would I want to just come on here to make Don look bad? I dont know Don, live two states away and could care less what else he he selling on here. All I know is I sent hima check on 2/27...he got it, cashed it....and I have received NO EXHAUST. He says he sent "his assistant" to ship it and the guy took off with his money. Then he gets back froma roadtrip and its still in his demo.....so he says he shipped it...but I have nothing. On the second page of this thread...he says I got it two days ago...but he doesnt have a tracking number to prove that because they didnt give him one......BUT....WHY does he state that "it was delivered two days ago!!!!" If he doesnt have a tracking number....how did he come to that conclusion? Then I call him up and he goes crazy and call me very childish names and hangs up..........all I wanted was the tracking number. If you shipped it Don...go back to the FEDEX location and get the info. You do that and I will shut up....post the tracking number for everyone to see!

well....I just talked to FEDEX(1800gofedex) and they have confirmed that nothing has been sent from Don area to my address. Anyone can call the number above and do what I just did. They can search packages in transit or that have been delivered via any FEDEX service to my address. There is nothing in the FEDEX system that has been delivered or is in transit to my address from the state of Illinios. I had one back in Jan from Bill Smith auto parts....but that obviosly wasnt Mr Conrad in Jan. If anyone wants to check/or cares to check with FEDEX....call the number above and you can do the same. My address is 135 Oak Meadow drive berea, KY 40403 The customer service agent even searched items cominhg to my zip code and there was nothing from that area to my zip code and street. Your on here Don....respond!

Here is an adult solution, rather than you posting every 15 minutes slandering Don's name:

Lets get Don to post his take on the situation, post a tracking # etc, whatever it takes. I think (I hope) he can do this, because this thread is going nowhere, and scott, you are getting more and more frustrated and enraged. Don't get me wrong, I would be PISSED if this happened to me, but posting 75 times regarding the same subject seems slightly overdone IMO.

With that said, I really hope there has just been a misunderstanding and hope that you get your exhaust and Don has a reasonable explanation for the situation.

**FedEx is NOT perfect, they DO lose things; has happened to me more than once...**

well....I just talked to FEDEX(1800gofedex) and they have confirmed that nothing has been sent from Don area to my address. Anyone can call the number above and do what I just did. They can search packages in transit or that have been delivered via any FEDEX service to my address. There is nothing in the FEDEX system that has been delivered or is in transit to my address from the state of Illinios. I had one back in Jan from Bill Smith auto parts....but that obviosly wasnt Mr Conrad in Jan. If anyone wants to check/or cares to check with FEDEX....call the number above and you can do the same. My address is 135 Oak Meadow drive berea, KY 40403 The customer service agent even searched items cominhg to my zip code and there was nothing from that area to my zip code and street. Your on here Don....respond!


Ok genious, here is your problem.....Below is what I just copied from the e-mail YOU SENT ME!!!! The address YOU GAVE ME!!!


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SCOTT Moberly
123 oak meadow drive
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859-985-2449
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the greyhound station is in berea also
thanks!



Go to that address, apparently they have your exhaust

Looks like someone is going to lose their job lol.

Get 'em Scott. $160 or not, Don is wrong. I can't believe people on here are defending him.

I feel you Scott, some focktard did this same **** to me on the forum awhile back. Now people are saying too many threads? You have 2 threads. Everyone is unreal man. Good luck!

Even if the wrong address was given, they aren't going to deliever it there. Especially on the SAME STREET. Come on Don. Try again.

I'm glad there are people other than me who think this should have never been posted in public (not once, but twice).

Even if the wrong address was given, they aren't going to deliever it there. Especially on the SAME STREET. Come on Don. Try again.


Try again.....call fed ex yourself an ask if it was delivered to that address before you jump on the bandwagon

Why don't we have the thread closed...

just like the one that had the Mesh grill for sale on ebay...

It is that easy right?

i think the majority of people here want to know about unscrupulous sellers. especially people who may be spending close to 50k buying a truck. i am not saying don is a crook - this remains to be seen. but in the interim, if I were in the market, and considering trusting this man with my hard earned cash, I damn well would want to read about people who have had less than stellar experiences with him.

these threads serve a purpose.

Nah, keep the thread open. I'm kind of into the story and I want to see the outcome. This is somewhat entertaining at this point. :p

I'm done.....123 is like 5 houses down.....If it was delivered there i will be the first to admit I was wrong.....but I know these people and I highly doubt it was delivered there.

I'm done.....123 is like 5 houses down.....If it was delivered there i will be the first to admit I was wrong.....but I know these people and I highly doubt it was delivered there.


Then as I said call fedex, I did today an they told me it was delivered there. It was sent from the Fedex/Kinkos store in Crystal Lake IL 60098.

A new thread should not have been started about this. Why wasn't the previous thread used to continue the drama? Can the mods just merge this thread with the previous one?

Even if the wrong address was given, they aren't going to deliever it there. Especially on the SAME STREET. Come on Don. Try again.
Why would FedEx question the address? FedEx is a bunch of robots that could care less if the person the package is addressed to is the same person that lives at said address. Besides, if the box didn't require a signature, then FedEx would have left it on the front step without knowing if Scott lived there. Fedex doesn't check addresses versus White Pages. Here is what most likely happened:

1. Don received the money and told his assistant to ship the package.
2. Said assistant takes off with the money while Don is gone.
3. Don comes back to find this has happened and ships the package to the address provided.
4. FedEx delivers said package to the indicated address while the homeowner is at work, so no signature was obtained.
5. Homeowner finds a large package at his house with no packing slip, because this was sold used, and is too lazy to try and find Scott. Instead, they just wait for someone to come looking for it.

Don, just post the tracking number already so all these bandwagon jumpers can shut their traps.

Damn, I wish we had the smiley that is eating popcorn :p

Scott, go to your neighbor's house when you get home from work this evening. My fingers are crossed for both of you that the package is there.

Then as I said call fedex, I did today an they told me it was delivered there. It was sent from the Fedex/Kinkos store in Crystal Lake IL 60098.
If what you say is correct then you HAD to have a tracking number to get the info about delivery. I don't understand why you don't pass the number to Scott???

Don, just post the tracking number already so all these bandwagon jumpers can shut their traps.
What the **** don't you get? He paid for the item on 2/28. No excuse why it's 3/22 and he is just now getting his exhaust. That should be the main problem. I don't see how anyone can defend Don in this situation.

What the **** don't you get? He paid for the item on 2/28. No excuse why it's 3/22 and he is just now getting his exhaust. That should be the main problem. I don't see how anyone can defend Don in this situation.
Just because you got screwed in the past by someone else from a completely different deal doesn't mean you should be jumping at the chance to bash Don because Scott is having problems with him, hence the "bandwagon jumper" term.

And, do you know how long he was supposedly gone on his roadtrip? No, you don't. So if he took a 2-wk trip then that would account for the two weeks between the day the check was cashed and a subordinate was told to ship the package and the day Don responded to the PM. However, all I'm doing is speculating because I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but neither do you.

Scott, you have my support. If this situation applied to the opposed, they would feel the same. I am glad you exposed this individual. If I were Don, I would have provided you with a tracking number with an explanation. Obviously, he has no intention to deliver exhaust. He should be arrested and prosecuted. Outside of that, street justice may apply???? Just kidding. Keep the thread open. Good luck Scott!!!!!

THIS IS INCREDIBLE!






Just because you got screwed in the past by someone else from a completely different deal doesn't mean you should be jumping at the chance to bash Don because Scott is having problems with him, hence the "bandwagon jumper" term.

And, do you know how long he was supposedly gone on his roadtrip? No, you don't. So if he took a 2-wk trip then that would account for the two weeks between the day the check was cashed and a subordinate was told to ship the package and the day Don responded to the PM. However, all I'm doing is speculating because I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but neither do you.

Roadtrip or not? He shouldn't have made the sale if he wasn't able to ship the product? He sure did have time to cash the check.

that's one problem i never saw a seller have, cashing the check. that is always done properly and on time.

haha i think Don has taken enough greasing frome everyone. No one knows the whole story and never will by reading each others sides on a fourm...

so did you get your Exhaust or not ???????? i hope you did .

Whatever happened with the shipment isn't the main issue. The LACK OF COMMUNICATION on Don's part is what started this thread. If all of these unfortunate things occured to Don....he merely had to email or call Scott and let him know. He obviously had all of the contact info. If I were in Scott's shoes....I would feel alot better about receiving an item late, if there was good communication and the guy was genuinely concerned (i.e. didnt call me a crybaby!). I will say that by the tone of the posts....Don does seem a little irrational. I probably wouldnt buy from him, just based on that...deal or not. Don, some advice, defend yourself a little more professionally and intelligently. IMO, regardless of who is right...you lost business based on your handling of the matter in public.

Whatever happened with the shipment isn't the main issue. The LACK OF COMMUNICATION on Don's part is what started this thread. If all of these unfortunate things occured to Don....he merely had to email or call Scott and let him know. He obviously had all of the contact info. If I were in Scott's shoes....I would feel alot better about receiving an item late, if there was good communication and the guy was genuinely concerned (i.e. didnt call me a crybaby!). I will say that by the tone of the posts....Don does seem a little irrational. I probably wouldnt buy from him, just based on that...deal or not. Don, some advice, defend yourself a little more professionally and intelligently. IMO, regardless of who is right...you lost business based on your handling of the matter in public.


You are right, next time I will be a little happier about being called a liar an a thief

You are right, next time I will be a little happier about being called a liar an a thief

The jury is still out on that.

ok....finally to put this debacle to rest. First of all I want to post my regrets for bringing this to this wonderful forum. I tried to keep it personal...but got no response from Don...at all. All he had to do was communicate with me. I kept seeing him over and over logged onto this forum at all different times of the day. The failure here was communication. I called his cell and left messages with no responses. He was looking at the thread and then not answer. To all those concerned...I have the rear of the exhaust now....which is really what I needed. I wish he would have sent the part that goes over the control arm too...but I am fine. He even offered to send it if I needed originally. Even though I sent him my address on here...I sent it one time via yahoo mail and had a typnig mistake. My address was 135...not the 123 he sent it to. I am a big enough man to admit that and that was my mistake. But the failure to communicate bringing this on himself was his fault. Why not just pm me saying "i shipped it on 3/16 from so and so FEDEX Kinkos. " or I will ship it when I have time the 2 weeks in between. " Lets get together and talk about this" and see what the problem is....instead of completely ignoring me. You had my cell and home number because you called me on 3/1 saying your assistant was at the FEDEX place trying to ship it and we talked. I called today trying to work it out...instead you go on a tyraid calling me a ***got and hang up. All you had to do was say what happened.....and give me the tracking number. It was almost as if you wanted this to happen.
Ok to verify....I have the rear exhaust section....it was on my neighbors front porch since 3/20 and was shipped on 3/16. I have been a big enough man to admit my mistakes....just as I said I would....now it someone elses turn or the mods can delete both threads.

that is good we are glad for you Scott .

ok....finally to put this debacle to rest. First of all I want to post my regrets for bringing this to this wonderful forum. I tried to keep it personal...but got no response from Don...at all. All he had to do was communicate with me. I kept seeing him over and over logged onto this forum at all different times of the day. The failure here was communication. I called his cell and left messages with no responses. He was looking at the thread and then not answer. To all those concerned...I have the rear of the exhaust now....which is really what I needed. I wish he would have sent the part that goes over the control arm too...but I am fine. He even offered to send it if I needed originally. Even though I sent him my address on here...I sent it one time via yahoo mail and had a typnig mistake. My address was 135...not the 123 he sent it to. I am a big enough man to admit that and that was my mistake. But the failure to communicate bringing this on himself was his fault. Why not just pm me saying "i shipped it on 3/16 from so and so FEDEX Kinkos. " or I will ship it when I have time the 2 weeks in between. " Lets get together and talk about this" and see what the problem is....instead of completely ignoring me. You had my cell and home number because you called me on 3/1 saying your assistant was at the FEDEX place trying to ship it and we talked. I called today trying to work it out...instead you go on a tyraid calling me a ***got and hang up. All you had to do was say what happened.....and give me the tracking number. It was almost as if you wanted this to happen.
Ok to verify....I have the rear exhaust section....it was on my neighbors front porch since 3/20 and was shipped on 3/16. I have been a big enough man to admit my mistakes....just as I said I would....now it someone elses turn or the mods can delete both threads.

We have gone over this, I did repond to your pm's. I am glad you recieved it, an would have been much much much friendlier on the phone had you not been calling me a liar the whole time you were talking. I can agree that things should have been handled better, but as I told you I did not have the tracking number. For those of you who think I am a crook.....Fine, believe what you will. Its not something I can control anyways

Even though I sent him my address on here...I sent it one time via yahoo mail and had a typnig mistake. My address was 135...not the 123 he sent it to. I am a big enough man to admit that and that was my mistake.

Not to be insensitive, but, basically, this whole mess was YOUR fault. Yet, somehow, you seem to be upset that Don wasn't taking blame. I agree communication was bad all around.

I'm not saying who's right here. But a thread entitled "CHAMPIONJEEP...DON CONRAD....still NO EXHAUST! The authorities have been notified!" when the whole mess stemmed from your typing error, clearly indicates you were intent coming to a public forum, escalating the issue, and placing blame. In fact, when you wrote this thread, your exhaust was comfortably chilling on your neighbor's porch.

I say we declare this one a draw and move on. You got your exhaust. Don made a sale. Win-win for everyone.

Cdog? Do you have a problem reading? I think you do.

Also, Don... You, as a profession, why would you call someone a ***got and hang up?

Case closed..... again!

Lesson learned here I hope. This is a great example of why things need to be handled offline. When/if someone is proven to be a crook, then by all means, post for EVERYONE to see. Until then, what happened to innocent until proven guilty?

For those of you who think I am a crook.....Fine, believe what you will. Its not something I can control anyways

Don't sweat it, Don. This was just a simple miscommunication between the two parties involved.

You want to talk about crooks? A dealership in Orlando is selling Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8s for $56,600.00. The sticker says, "Dealer Installed Items - Window Tint, Pin Stripes, Wheel Locks = $10,000.00".

I'll probably be contacting you sometime next year for a 2008/09.