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: Double shocks at rear end


a137
08-31-2009, 08:34 AM
Following to recomendations from russian srt forum installed additional shocks at rear end (Thanks to Tigran and Dmitry - authors if the idea).

For lower mount: -
Made four adapters from 4 mm thick sheetsteel (100X40x4 mm). Drilled two holes - 12 and 14 mm in diameter. Purchased two 150 mm long bolts, 12 mm diameter. Hardness 8.8. Also used a few washers and D15 mm tap water tubes for spacer between two adapters. The length of tube is around 8-9 cm, just cut the tube to size. The kit is on photo #1.

Installation is straitforward and requires removing lower transversal links bolt. (Photo #2)

For upper mount:-
used original upper bolt from triangular stabiliser link mounts. It's long enough. Visible on photo #3.

As a donor shock used Rancho for ZJ (RS5129).
Removed cross pin and inserted sleeves into both eyes of shocks.
Internal diameter for both sleeves is 12 mm.
Outer diameter for lower sleeve is around 16 mm, for upper sleeve it's 14 mm.

As rubber boot tends to rub against tire, slightly tightened rubber boot by ziptie to triangular piece. There is a small hole in it to pass a ziptie through. Not shown at photo, as it was discovered after test drive.

The other small clearing problem was the bolt which fastens brake line to triangilar piece and protrudes though it. Used two additinals washers to make bolt's protrusion shorter.

Tested for one week and 400 kms, rear end looks more like independent suspension other than live axel.

hemi.jon
08-31-2009, 08:55 AM
looks good, but i would cut the boot off. after a while water and such does collect in there and the top of the shock will start rusting.

blackcar
08-31-2009, 09:03 AM
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a137
08-31-2009, 10:28 AM
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a137
08-31-2009, 10:33 AM
looks good, but i would cut the boot off. after a while water and such does collect in there and the top of the shock will start rusting.

Agree. It makes sense. I have already prepared, have hard plasic boot similar to Biilstein one, took it from old KYB shock. Eventually I'll replace it. Soft boot doesn't look promising.

rwboring
08-31-2009, 11:30 AM
"Tested for one week and 400 kms, rear end looks more like independent suspension other than live axel."

does this make ANY sense to anyone here, how can adding a shock make a live axle look "more like" a independent suspension... you are not changing any characteristics other then dampening...

JJJ93z
08-31-2009, 12:07 PM
^^yes I am very confused.

Can you post results that refer to performance of the new setup? Like how it feels when it launches? If there is a smoother or rougher ride? ect.

a137
08-31-2009, 08:27 PM
does this make ANY sense to anyone here, how can adding a shock make a live axle look "more like" a independent suspension... you are not changing any characteristics other then dampening...



Bilsteins have a lack of rebound dampening, adding regular twin tube shocks almost elimiminates bouncing.
As far as ANY sense is concerned, I think any mod which improves handling and makes driving more comfortable does make sense.

a137
08-31-2009, 10:19 PM
^^yes I am very confused.

Can you post results that refer to performance of the new setup? Like how it feels when it launches? If there is a smoother or rougher ride? ect.

Don't feel great improvement during launches. I'm not racing.
Main idea was to diminish bouncing when passing over speed bumps and improve handling on bumpy roads.
The result is at least 50% positive. When rear axle hits speed bump it's as harsh as it was, but I guess it's related to OEM bump stop. Making it an inch shorter will do an effect. Rebound phase is improved.
Speeding on bumpy roads is also improved, rear axle "floats" less.

rwboring
09-01-2009, 07:03 AM
why not just put a better shock in place of the bilstein then?

hardhat
09-02-2009, 10:29 AM
Thats gotta ride like ass, stupid idea no offense. dual shocks are for bling on monster trucks. Should have just got a better shock like stated above.

Prepare2Win
09-02-2009, 02:23 PM
why not just put a better shock in place of the bilstein then?

+1 to that... its a mystery to me why you would do this in the rear, since standard 7" or 8" travel shocks with metric eyelets are a stock fit. The "floating" problem they are trying to fix is the lack of damping with the cost reduced, poorly spec'd bilsteins.

The only reason to run multiple shocks is if you can't get enough damping or heat dissipation out of single shocks... we're nowhere near this point at either end, but especially at the rear.

Prepare2Win
09-02-2009, 02:38 PM
Okay, I also just looked at the bracketry there... the problem with the design of this is it assumes there is no rebound force in the shock; if there is any (i.e. you hit the bump stops) it will twist the bracket around and then interfere with lower link movement. He really needs a weld there or something...

I just want to send this guy my old QA1's just so he doesnt drive around like this and make us look bad. Adding an even lousier shock in parallel to the bilstein will increase total damping force, but doesn't make it better.