My local turbo installer (Will @ MM Performance) just sent my 50% down payment to Arizona Speed & Marine for the Jeep turbo! They are finalizing the kit and we should have it in Charlotte within 2 weeks. Will is trying to contact some of his magazine buds to document this install and test. Retail price is $ 7,600 and Will figures around $ 1,200 for the install and tune. Supposedly the electronics are figured out for us as in "plug and play". Hope Blackstallion does not see this, he may think this will be an advantage at Rockingham next time! LOL.

Now all I need are the extra cubes to complement the turbo. Looks like a fun year with the goodies coming out for us.

Bill

Sweet dude, we need pics and vids as soon as the kit is in your hands.

Bill, I'm confused. Turbo or Blower, I was thinking it's a blower. I,m going to call them,I have some tuning questions. Good Luck. I'm definetly keeping my eye on you now.

Awesome!! definitely need more info on this kit!

My local turbo installer (Will @ MM Performance) just sent my 50% down payment to Arizona Speed & Marine for the Jeep turbo! They are finalizing the kit and we should have it in Charlotte within 2 weeks. Will is trying to contact some of his magazine buds to document this install and test. Retail price is $ 7,600 and Will figures around $ 1,200 for the install and tune. Supposedly the electronics are figured out for us as in "plug and play". Hope Blackstallion does not see this, he may think this will be an advantage at Rockingham next time! LOL.

Now all I need are the extra cubes to complement the turbo. Looks like a fun year with the goodies coming out for us.

Bill


Congrats and thanks for being a pioneer. Let us know how it all works out. I'd like to see lots of pics, both installed and in kit form. Any info you can share would be appreciated (turbo size, boost controller, intercooler, fuel management, etc...)

SAWEEEEET!!!!! Can't wait to see it. Heck.... I want a ride next time I'm out there!

Bill, I'm confused. Turbo or Blower, I was thinking it's a blower. I,m going to call them,I have some tuning questions. Good Luck. I'm definetly keeping my eye on you now.
GC..you think you're confused, I'm not certain what I have coming to Charlotte...how about a supercharger. Oh boy, this pioneering stuff is crazy! Absolutely I will take photos upon delivery at MM Performance here. The install will be well documented.
Bill

GC..you think you're confused, I'm not certain what I have coming to Charlotte...how about a supercharger. Oh boy, this pioneering stuff is crazy! Absolutely I will take photos upon delivery at MM Performance here. The install will be well documented.
Bill


Thanks Bill, and don't get to frustrated. Just remember Pioneers are guys with arrows in their backs... ;) Good luck!

http://www.azspeed.com/57heafsusy.html

A link that tells a little more about the supercharger kit.
Bill

looks like a great kit Bill, can't wait to see your results, 125hp on 91oct would be nice, especially with no lag!

looks like a great kit Bill, can't wait to see your results, 125hp on 91oct would be nice, especially with no lag!
The installer has a complete tune facility and dyno here in Charlotte. The Hemi will be put on the dyno before and after the installation. Then, I will rent Rockingham again for another day of "test and tune".
Bill

Now all I need are the extra cubes to complement the turbo. Looks like a fun year with the goodies coming out for us.

Take it from me, turbo's don't need big cubes, all you need is a solid shortblock that can handle the boost.

GC..you think you're confused, I'm not certain what I have coming to Charlotte...how about a supercharger. Oh boy, this pioneering stuff is crazy! Absolutely I will take photos upon delivery at MM Performance here. The install will be well documented.
Bill

BILL??? You must have more money than me, 7k + and you dont know what your getting. LOL we speed freaks have much more cash than brains by far.

Ok we now know it is a S/C but my concern is still the tune. We have two other companies that have forced kits out with no real tune and the end result was lean on one and two with pistons a blaze. Now i have heard that Predator is about to release the programmer for our app. but with out this or a SCT type of adjustably how are they doing it. If they can explain how the programing is being done i will be sure to send my deposit. Although the Turbo Kit from stage6 intrigues me more.

Can not wait for more details!!!

I spoke with AZ speed and Marine. It's a non-adjustable piggyback tune using 36lb injectors. The tune seems ok. It modifies injector pulse width at low/high boost, retards timing at high boost,etc. and can piggyied over OEM or B&G tune.

I spoke with AZ speed and Marine. It's a non-adjustable piggyback tune using 36lb injectors. The tune seems ok. It modifies injector pulse width at low/high boost, retards timing at high boost,etc. and can piggyied over OEM or B&G tune.right, the difference between this and other kits previous is that the AZ speed replaces ALL 8 injectors with their own, which they can control (so the factory computer doesn't do something wacky and blow your motor) whereas other kits i believe just add an auxiliary injector somewhere and leave the other 8 in control of the DCX computer. they seem to have addressed some of the key shortcomings of other kits with this design.

this kit looks like it's going to be a winner... i can't wait to see how it works out for BuilderBill. i'm going to be stepping into the Jeep within the next few months, and i will be looking very hard at the ASM blower kit if it gets good reviews.

I spoke with AZ speed and Marine. It's a non-adjustable piggyback tune using 36lb injectors. The tune seems ok. It modifies injector pulse width at low/high boost, retards timing at high boost,etc. and can piggyied over OEM or B&G tune.

HUM, This type of system will work, but its like a band aid. Can you imagine what will happen once we can adjust all parameters..... FIELD DAY!!!!

The GSM problem is its auxillary injectors, like you said. However the intake is a dry design, 2 injectors at the TB doesn't allow equal distribution of fuel @ boost, therefore leaning out(usually the the 2 fronts) which causes bad things to happen in those cylinders.:D

Did they tell anyone what type of piggy back system this is.

I also wonder if they can get the non q vortex charger. I ran this
setup on my GTI VR6 and ran low 12's. The Non q is about 300 bucks
cheaper and a lot louder. I would actually pay extra to have that sound.
It defiantly has an intimidation factor.

HUM, This type of system will work, but its like a band aid. Can you imagine what will happen once we can adjust all parameters..... FIELD DAY!!!!
If a place like AZ can adjust the parameters that are important to them, I'll bet it won't be long before there is a piggy back unit for the rest of the parameters. The Hemi is going to like this summer (until I run over the crank) LOL
Bill

If a place like AZ can adjust the parameters that are important to them, I'll bet it won't be long before there is a piggy back unit for the rest of the parameters. The Hemi is going to like this summer (until I run over the crank) LOL
Bill
If your lucky it won't bounce much, if it does, you could be wearing it. OUCH!!:D . Overall, I think the system is doable. One of the weak links of the
6.1L is the piston material and the narrow top ring drop. But I guess thats what the 36,000 mile warranty that AZ sells is for. The Stage 6 turbo is also a interesting development, kinda brings back my Grand National days, Hmm! Bill, good luck, I could be right behind you, or maybe in front of ya!!! HA!!!!

If your lucky it won't bounce much, if it does, you could be wearing it. OUCH!!:D . Overall, I think the system is doable. One of the weak links of the
6.1L is the piston material and the narrow top ring drop. But I guess thats what the 36,000 mile warranty that AZ sells is for. The Stage 6 turbo is also a interesting development, kinda brings back my Grand National days, Hmm! Bill, good luck, I could be right behind you, or maybe in front of ya!!! HA!!!!
GC,
All fun. You are correct about pistons etc. I think it wise to look at the bottom end seriously someday and not go too overboard on the cam/heads/intake until that time. Could just crank up the pressure, blow the bottom out of it and then justify the "built" 426 stroker. Not this week!
Glad you understand all the info from AZ.
Bill

so its a supercharger kit not a turbo kit :confused:

wow, this one sounds interesting

Damn Bill.

That'll make a nice entry on your drag strip log.

:thumbsup:

Alex

Bill,

Thats awesome! Can't wait to check it out at the Rock. I imagine now you'll probably break that 106 mph trap speed barrier we've been unable to reach. Looks like your going have to give me a head start from now on or maybe I should just get nitrous. You've got me thinking.

I know they have a SC Kit that makes big HP without any cylinder lean out, a newer designed impellar, a better fuel control piggy-back computer, different intercooler etc. Their system even comes with a warranty! A true bolt on system that you can just punch and go! I've know about this for over 6 months and that a JGC system was in the works. They have a Traction Control that doesn't remove the anti-lock but opens the throttle valve 100%. Check em out! Gene:)

Bill,

Thats awesome! Can't wait to check it out at the Rock. I imagine now you'll probably break that 106 mph trap speed barrier we've been unable to reach. Looks like your going have to give me a head start from now on or maybe I should just get nitrous. You've got me thinking.
Blackstallion,
I have drag radials and wheels coming to the performance shop in Charlotte to do a trial fit. We are at the traction limit as you know with these Hemi's. The guy who ran 11.98 at the Rock in the street looking GTO uses nitrous, through stock exhaust. That may be a way to go if you are looking to break the 106 also.
Looking forward to the next track rental day!
Bill

I know they have a SC Kit that makes big HP without any cylinder lean out, a newer designed impellar, a better fuel control piggy-back computer, different intercooler etc. Their system even comes with a warranty! A true bolt on system that you can just punch and go! I've know about this for over 6 months and that a JGC system was in the works. They have a Traction Control that doesn't remove the anti-lock but opens the throttle valve 100%. Check em out! Gene:)

You're talking about a new Vortech s/c, correct? If I'm reading right, Arizona Speed & Machine put the rest of the kit together for the GC. Can't wait to see the results from this setup. Might have to start sweet-talking the wife now.

You're talking about a new Vortech s/c, correct? If I'm reading right, Arizona Speed & Machine put the rest of the kit together for the GC. Can't wait to see the results from this setup. Might have to start sweet-talking the wife now.
Yes, this is the one. Better start talking, I told my wife that "Hemi" has trouble breathing and this should help.LOL.
Bill

Take it from me, turbo's don't need big cubes, all you need is a solid shortblock that can handle the boost.

This was posted as a turbo kit, with a supercharger you can definitely use more cubes, they are nowhere near as efficient as a turbo.

More cubes = more exhaust mass which spools turbos quicker as well.

This was posted as a turbo kit, with a supercharger you can definitely use more cubes, they are nowhere near as efficient as a turbo.
My bad....don't know how I can correct the thread info from "turbo" to "supercharger"???????any help?
BuilderBill (thats NOT engine builder either)!

More cubes = more exhaust mass which spools turbos quicker as well.

When Formula One cars were turbocharged they made 1500 HP from 191 cubic inches.

All more cubic inches do is give you more torque (traction problem).

When Formula One cars were turbocharged they made 1500 HP from 191 cubic inches.

All more cubic inches do is give you more torque (traction problem).


I agree that the power adder makes the power (becomes the limiting factor) when you turbo/supercharge, however more inches will spool the turbo faster as well. The bottom line is that he's going to have traction issues no matter what.

BTW said motors were absolute dogs until they spooled.

The bottom line is that he's going to have traction issues no matter what.


I have drag radials and wheels ordered. Yes, I was at the traction threshold last time out, even though they had the track so sticky it was difficult to walk across.
Bill

Bill,

How long till you have this installed? I am going to order one but i want to hear how it works for you first. You are my test platform:D

My heads and cam are ordered and when i receive them, install them i will then order the S/C, unless the Turbo kit comes first. I miss the S/C sound.

My concern with the S/C is the boost will come on very quick making traction more of an issue where as the turbo will let us get off the line then boost the crap out of it.

Bill,

How long till you have this installed? I am going to order one but i want to hear how it works for you first. You are my test platform:D

My heads and cam are ordered and when i receive them, install them i will then order the S/C, unless the Turbo kit comes first. I miss the S/C sound.

My concern with the S/C is the boost will come on very quick making traction more of an issue where as the turbo will let us get off the line then boost the crap out of it.
It should be sent to Charlotte within 2 weeks. I may have it air freighted to save a few days. I'm headed out to Scottsdale for the week of April 9th for a Member Guest tournament and would love to have it installed by then.

I would like to do a cam install after the supercharger. This way we can see a back to back comparison. It sure is more expensive with all the back to back comparisons but, it helps us all to know which components give the best power for the money.
Bill

I have drag radials and wheels ordered. Yes, I was at the traction threshold last time out, even though they had the track so sticky it was difficult to walk across.
Bill

Nitto 305/18"s?

Bill,

How long till you have this installed? I am going to order one but i want to hear how it works for you first. You are my test platform:D

My heads and cam are ordered and when i receive them, install them i will then order the S/C, unless the Turbo kit comes first. I miss the S/C sound.

My concern with the S/C is the boost will come on very quick making traction more of an issue where as the turbo will let us get off the line then boost the crap out of it.


Remember we're talking about a centrifugal supercharger, not a roots/twin screw or positive displacement blower. Cent's aren't known for their low end so it really shouldn't be an issue unless you're running a tiny pulley (lots of boost) and race gas.

It should be sent to Charlotte within 2 weeks. I may have it air freighted to save a few days. I'm headed out to Scottsdale for the week of April 9th for a Member Guest tournament and would love to have it installed by then.

Bill

Food and Wine Festival? I was close to booking myself. :)

Nitto 305/18"s?

I'm curious to know as well. What are you throwing on for the strip, front and back??

Food and Wine Festival? I was close to booking myself. :) Actually golf tournament with a buddy at his club, Rockport CC.
Fun week!
We do enjoy the food & wine festivals. Charleston had their Food & Wine festival the same time I was at the Mopar supercenter having the 2600 converter. Yeah...some coincidence. LOL
Bill

Nitto 305/18"s?
Don't forget I was the one who did not know what style forced air I ordered!http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif
Front & rear DR ordered with 18" wheels. We will do a trial fit 1st for all clearances. Found some wheels that won't look too bad, at least they will all match and look similar to the stockers. I will post photos when they are trial installed. It was weird when the speed shop guy said all 4 corners right?
Bill

Don't forget I was the one who did not know what style forced air I ordered!http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif
Front & rear DR ordered with 18" wheels. We will do a trial fit 1st for all clearances. Found some wheels that won't look too bad, at least they will all match and look similar to the stockers. I will post photos when they are trial installed. It was weird when the speed shop guy said all 4 corners right?
Bill


LOL.

Are you going with the GSM 2wd mod to do a proper burnout to heat the rears? Or are you just going to run them cold?

Charleston had their Food & Wine festival the same time I was at the Mopar supercenter having the 2600 converter. Yeah...some coincidence. LOL
Bill


You gotta do, what you gotta do. :)

LOL.

Are you going with the GSM 2wd mod to do a proper burnout to heat the rears? Or are you just going to run them cold?
Damn...forgot that item. I better search the mod.
Yes, one more thing to remember before pulling up to the staging lights:
BACK into the water
Hit the 2 wheel drive switch
Return the 2 wd drive switch.
Hit the esp button
Turn off the tunes
Turn off the A/C
Turn off the radar detector
Turn off the fan mod in pre-stagePush the pedal to the medal when the 2nd to the last light dims or the boys will see a really bad reaction time on the slips.http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif
Bill

Man, It seems like you run through that scenario in your head a few times a day.

OK, Today must be a bad day at Arizona Speed, I call 4 time. First time the lady took down my #. The other times I was told to call back in 30 min, Each time was about an hour or two apart. So my concern is if I am going to spend almost 8k on a kit and they don't have one sales or tech able to come to the phone all day? They must be building your kit BILL.

I was going to put a deposit down and get a ETA of completion Well i will try one more time and again tomorrow after that I will Call up stage6 and see where they are on my TURBO kit.

Any Info on the quality/service of Arizona Speed is greatly appreciated. Everything i have heard so far opposite from my experience today.

Man, It seems like you run through that scenario in your head a few times a day.

OK, Today must be a bad day at Arizona Speed, I call 4 time. First time the lady took down my #. The other times I was told to call back in 30 min, Each time was about an hour or two apart. So my concern is if I am going to spend almost 8k on a kit and they don't have one sales or tech able to come to the phone all day? They must be building your kit BILL.

I was going to put a deposit down and get a ETA of completion Well i will try one more time and again tomorrow after that I will Call up stage6 and see where they are on my TURBO kit.

Any Info on the quality/service of Arizona Speed is greatly appreciated. Everything i have heard so far opposite from my experience today.
Not good!
I deal with Will at MM Performance shop (704) 684-0040 in Charlotte that is doing the install. I wonder if he has a different phone number for Jim? They talk daily it seems from Will's updates to me. He is excited as I am. Feel free to call Will with any questions or about a good number for Jim. Everyone working together on this should be a winner for all of us!
Bill

I was told the release date was about 3 weeks out, that was on Tuesday. The kit is pretty much described on their web-site. General tune info was given earlier in this thread. Other than that, Jim said he would email some pics asap. I think patience is in order,since the kit is not even finalized.

I was told the release date was about 3 weeks out, that was on Tuesday. The kit is pretty much described on their web-site. General tune info was given earlier in this thread. Other than that, Jim said he would email some pics asap. I think patience is in order,since the kit is not even finalized.
Patience hell!
Just kidding, I would rather they ship it down here with as few "bugs" as possible.
Bill

What size/series/trim blower are they using for the kit Bill?

I need to give ASM a call tomorrow. They didn't tell us about the GC SRT-8 kit! :) I've been trying to convince a local customer that he wants one of these for his 6.1 Charger! :)

Don't forget I was the one who did not know what style forced air I ordered!http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif
Front & rear DR ordered with 18" wheels. We will do a trial fit 1st for all clearances. Found some wheels that won't look too bad, at least they will all match and look similar to the stockers. I will post photos when they are trial installed. It was weird when the speed shop guy said all 4 corners right?
Bill
We figured you were getting 18's with DR's, but what size/brand, etc?? Your killin me here! ;)

And for the record, you are getting a supercharger kit, NOT a turbo, correct?

What size/series/trim blower are they using for the kit Bill?
Stroke, It's on the web-site,same as LX.

We figured you were getting 18's with DR's, but what size/brand, etc?? Your killin me here! ;)


And for the record, you are getting a supercharger kit, NOT a turbo, correct?


I will post as soon as they look like everything (tires / wheels) fits....

Yes, I wish I knew how to change the thread title, sorry.

Stroke, It's on the web-site,same as LX.
Thanks GC!!!!!!

OK UPDATE,

Kit is 4wks out, should be pushing 5-6psi. I put down my deposit and there are actually a few others in front of me besides BILL. About a total of 4 or 5 of us. Cant wait. I ordered the s trim rather than the SQ. I had the S in the past and i loved the sound. People will hear it coming for sure. I was also talking to mattfab and we will be putting the frank racing (littleboy) cam along with his heads. Matt said that with the increase flow I might have to decrease the pulley size to add more PSI just to equal the 5-6 PSI ASM is claiming.

Cant wait to see how traction is with just the head,cam, headers... nevermind the S/C

OH, Those of you using the Dash Hawk will it register BOOST? If not i may start to design a pillar to hold one boost gauge and the dash hawk.

OK UPDATE,

Kit is 4wks out, should be pushing 5-6psi. I put down my deposit and there are actually a few others in front of me besides BILL. About a total of 4 or 5 of us. Cant wait. I ordered the s trim rather than the SQ. I had the S in the past and i loved the sound. People will hear it coming for sure. I was also talking to mattfab and we will be putting the frank racing (littleboy) cam along with his heads. Matt said that with the increase flow I might have to decrease the pulley size to add more PSI just to equal the 5-6 PSI ASM is claiming.

Cant wait to see how traction is with just the head,cam, headers... nevermind the S/C
I am researching the head / cam items now. I want to do the following:
2 or 3 dyno pulls before the supercharger is installed.
Have the supercharger installed & tuned & do another 2 or 3 pulls.
Install a cam and do another 2 or 3 pulls.
Install a set of heads and do another 2 or 3 pulls.Seems like a complete summer worth of work , but, this may save someone on the Forum from spending thousands of dollars on small incremental changes.
Bill

OK UPDATE,

Kit is 4wks out, should be pushing 5-6psi. I put down my deposit and there are actually a few others in front of me besides BILL. About a total of 4 or 5 of us. Cant wait. I ordered the s trim rather than the SQ. I had the S in the past and i loved the sound. People will hear it coming for sure. I was also talking to mattfab and we will be putting the frank racing (littleboy) cam along with his heads. Matt said that with the increase flow I might have to decrease the pulley size to add more PSI just to equal the 5-6 PSI ASM is claiming.

Cant wait to see how traction is with just the head,cam, headers... nevermind the S/C

S-trim? I thought they were using T-trims? I wonder why they decided on such a small blower?

No no, they have SQ version that is super quiet and then the S that is standard.
I like the sound of the standard so I asked for that one. RE Read my post, I did not mention that that was the charger they offer.

No no, they have SQ version that is super quiet and then the S that is standard.
I like the sound of the standard so I asked for that one. RE Read my post, I did not mention that that was the charger they offer.


Am I on crack or did I not see that they claim to use a QT trim on their website?

http://www.azspeed-marine.com/57heafsusy.html

A T-trim would make much more sense size/cfm wise vs. an S-trim.

http://www.azspeed-marine.com/57heafsusy.html

A T-trim would make much more sense size/cfm wise vs. an S-trim.
ASM has developed a HEMI supercharger kit utilizing a Vortech QT supercharger. The kit can be installed on all 2005-2006 Dodge Chargers, Magnums, and Chrysler 300C's

No crack here!

ps I'm jealous.

Flex

I AM ON CRACK!!!! :eek:

Ok what ever SC they sell I ordered the NON Q version so the standard T not the QT ok cutie. I wanted it loud so when i pull up at a light it sound like and orchestra of crickets.

I AM ON CRACK!!!! :eek:

Ok what ever SC they sell I ordered the NON Q version so the standard T not the QT ok cutie. I wanted it loud so when i pull up at a light it sound like and orchestra of crickets.

Anyone with a clue will not mistake the sound of your T-trim for anything but a centrifugal blower. :) The good news is you should be able to make ~600+awhp if need be. The S-trim would have capped you around 500 with higher discharge temps to boot.
I wish they used a Novi 2000/2200.

For those who are wondering what the Hell i am talking about with the difference in sound here ya go

standard trim NON Quiet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S-GOFtGuQk
or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knOwf3ZyWqc

Q Trim QUIET http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntkKpDoFxOo

How much is the AZSM 3/36k warranty, if you don't mind me asking?

very good question. This could be a very smart option

any opinions on this.... will long tube headers cause hp loss with blower due to lack of suficient back pressure??????

Headers, not so much. The backpressure will come from the intake and head. I will run into a problem with the P&P head, so a small pulley will be needed for more boost.

any opinions on this.... will long tube headers cause hp loss with blower due to lack of suficient back pressure??????


No you won't lose power, but you will have less boost unless you repulley. Boost is merely a measurement of restriction/backpressure and is relevant only to the motor it's being measured on. In example, 15psi on a Jeep with a blower/stock longblock and stock exhaust is not the same as 15psi on an otherwise identical Jeep with aftermarket exhaust.
Chances are you'll see a ~1.5lb drop in boost when going with longtubes vs. the stock exhaust manifolds. However you'll also see a HP/TQ gain, meaning the mass of air moving through the motor has increased (hence the drop in restriction/boost).
After you repulley back to the original amount of boost your hp/tq gains will be even larger.

After you repulley back to the original amount of boost your hp/tq gains will be even larger.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

great info thanks

This is their own design not just a reworked "Paxton" They have mastered the PCM codes, designed their own impellar, and cooler, but their fuel management system prevents any lean out on any cylinders. The warranty is in effect when this system is installed by one of their dealers.(3 yrs 36K mileage) They also have designed a traction control device that only modifies that and doesn't eliminate the antilock or anything else. Result is the TB opens 100% not 77% like stock. Talk about wheel spin!!! No CEL codes or gimmicks to make any mods work right. They have been in business for many years on top of everything else. Good Luck on your Install. Gene:D

This is their own design not just a reworked "Paxton" They have mastered the PCM codes, designed their own impellar, and cooler, but their fuel management system prevents any lean out on any cylinders. The warranty is in effect when this system is installed by one of their dealers.(3 yrs 36K mileage) They also have designed a traction control device that only modifies that and doesn't eliminate the antilock or anything else. Result is the TB opens 100% not 77% like stock. Talk about wheel spin!!! No CEL codes or gimmicks to make any mods work right. They have been in business for many years on top of everything else. Good Luck on your Install. Gene:D


Talk about reinventing the wheel. Sorry but I seriously doubt Fastman has the $ to properly R&D impellar design, much less the equipment, etc. :confused: One man in his backyard is not going to out do the teams of engineers that have spent years refining supercharger design for Vortech, Paxton, ATI, etc.

Talk about reinventing the wheel. Sorry but I seriously doubt Fastman has the $ to properly R&D impellar design, much less the equipment, etc. :confused: One man in his backyard is not going to out do the teams of engineers that have spent years refining supercharger design for Vortech, Paxton, ATI, etc.


Stroked... I think he is talking about the ASM kit
I also dont think they have the time nor the reason to re work the impeller.
To even consider this you mine as well just develop your own complete SC.

Stroked... I think he is talking about the ASM kit
I also dont think they have the time nor the reason to re work the impeller.
To even consider this you mine as well just develop your own complete SC.

Doh, I think you're right. Sorry Gene.

Even so I have to agree on the impellar R&D.

Can't wait to see the results!

this kit is around 7K right? anyone think it will drop when more jeeps sell???
I have posted my dyno #'s. these #'s where put down with very common mods on the forum.

http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/showthread.php?p=36545#post36545

this kit is around 7K right? anyone think it will drop when more jeeps sell???
+ initial dyno +12 hour (per AZ) estimated install+ tune and re-dyno after install.

Instead of misreading my quotes why don't you guys do some research. AS&M has re-designed the Paxton that GSM sells, revised the boost levels, re-designed the intercooler, designed a fuel management system that doesn't lean out your engine. They have been in the performance business for many years and the likes of Kenny Duttweiler and others have worked with them. They attended the PIR Show in Fla a few months ago as did the local head porter that works with Fastman too. The engine shop here has a CNC Machine (big money) that ports their cylinder heads, not some flybynight head porter working out of a back yard shop. I saw a mounting bracket that does fit the paxton SC and mounts on a late model Hemi Block. Where? Fastman's shop! I live very near FM's Shop, saw the new heads and intake first hand, not some dream world vision of a fairy tale tuner. Sorry but like most postings they soon get off track. Who gives a Warranty on a SC install? 3yrs,36K when installed by one of their Dealers? NO ONE! "THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING" Good Luck on your SC install. Gene

This kit is using a Vortech charger correct? It this the impeller change your talking about? The boost levels would be controled with the type of charger and size pulley they use, not by redesiging the internals of an already good piece. You also mentioned they have mastered the PCM codes...dont you mean they have modified the signel output of the PCM with their piggy back system? It they have mastered the PCM they will be the first ones. I am also interested in how they bypassed the traction control and gave 100% throttle in first with no lights being triggered.

I have already ordered the kit and spoke directly with Jim, so if you know more in depth info than me please tell us all you know!

Instead of misreading my quotes why don't you guys do some research. AS&M has re-designed the Paxton that GSM sells, revised the boost levels, re-designed the intercooler, designed a fuel management system that doesn't lean out your engine.

Why don't you get a clue Gene? Revised the boost levels...LOL, you mean they threw on a custom (larger) pulley to make less boost? Say it ain't so...
Intercoolers are designed for the vehicles they're used in, obviously they're going to have to do some final fabrication fitment in order to get one to work since the blower companies don't have a direct kit--not rocket science. I hate to bust your bubble with this one, but they didn't do a damn thing with the impellar.

They have been in the performance business for many years and the likes of Kenny Duttweiler and others have worked with them. They attended the PIR Show in Fla a few months ago as did the local head porter that works with Fastman too. The engine shop here has a CNC Machine (big money) that ports their cylinder heads, not some flybynight head porter working out of a back yard shop. I saw a mounting bracket that does fit the paxton SC and mounts on a late model Hemi Block. Where? Fastman's shop! I live very near FM's Shop, saw the new heads and intake first hand, not some dream world vision of a fairy tale tuner. Sorry but like most postings they soon get off track. Who gives a Warranty on a SC install? 3yrs,36K when installed by one of their Dealers? NO ONE! "THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING" Good Luck on your SC install. Gene

Has Kenny Duttweiler built anything that didn't make power without a blower/turbo? Just curious, you know what they say about engine builders and forced induction--if they require it to make good power they simply don't understand how an engine really works. I was also at PRI;) We've been over the CNC comments before yet you continue to post the blatant misinformation, sorry but a CNC port is only as good as the hand port it was patterned after and they still suffer from core shift. Any decent porter that uses CNC will hand finish every time. Remember all the top levels of motorsports use hand ported heads. Hand porting > CNC.
You're also not the only person to see a ported set of heads/cam work on an SRT8 w/out tune, so I'm not sure what fairy tale you're referring too?
Finally, I can't wait to see results for the ASM kit but none of my anticipation has anything to do with what you've posted.

I guess you have all the answers, like the turbo picture. Your tuning is based on that and nonsense! (In my book) Like I said all your comments are based on "Pipe Dreams" I won't even comment anymore on this subject after this. I'll soon only be a outsider as my JGC SRT8 is sold. But I still wish the best to all on your endeavors. Good Racing. Gene

I guess you have all the answers, like the turbo picture. Your tuning is based on that and nonsense! (In my book) Like I said all your comments are based on "Pipe Dreams" I won't even comment anymore on this subject after this. I'll soon only be a outsider as my JGC SRT8 is sold. But I still wish the best to all on your endeavors. Good Racing. Gene


My tuning? Pipe dreams? Please expound.
You seem like a nice enough guy but after reading through your posts it becomes readily apparent that you don't know what you're talking about. :confused: