This is the real deal. If any of you guys are in the Atlanta metro area let me know. The creator of this shift kit known as the "silver box" needs a local tester to make sure everything works correctly in the jeeps and is compatible. There are currently many SRT8 chargers, 300s and challys using this kit with excellent feedback. Check out the writeup!


Original info:

Another of my current projects is to replicate what the infamous "blue top" solenoids from the Maybach mercedes line do to the Nag1 transmission...but with the added benefit of adjustability...

I have a working prototype now that I am going to let a few local folks test for driveability.

I currently have it set up with 6 stages from stock ...to... "what the hell just hit me"


Based on the limited information that was available, I think that my highest stage actually may be a bit harsher than even the blue tops.

The blue tops are an interesting item...mechanically, they technically cannot be any different than stock...but that changes when you apply electrical current...

My best "feel" so far has been setting 3 with Diablo torque reduction.

My test box has 1 stock setting and 5 user selectable firmness settings that can be chosen "on the fly" after the car has been started.

So far, no codes. I'm still checking to see if I can make it so that you dont have to wait till the car is running to select 2-6 on the box...

heh...electric shift kit...wheeeee...!!!!!


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So that was all old news...here's the current status as of July '09...

The electronic shift kit is now a reality. It is an aluminum box ( the box acts as a heat sink for the electronic components inside ) that has 3 wires that get ran to the TCM that sits below and to the left of the steering column. These 3 wires will connect with quick-disconnect T-taps that will be included. You will simply let the box sit beside/under the stock TCM...where there's plenty of room. The box includes a fuse on the power wire...just in case. The harness to the selector switch needs to be long enuff to keep the knob within reach, and up to 6' of wire can be included at no additional cost. The Magnum uses 1'...since there is a perfect place for the knob, as shown in the pics later on. Chargers and Challengers will likely have the box beside the shifter.

In operation, the current version can be left in any position at any time. There is no need to keep it in the stock setting while starting and then switch. That glitch appears to have been fixed with my latest version. Additionally, the settings that are incorporated are my final settings until I hear back from you guys on a possibly needed change.

All settings are compatable with stock or blue solenoids. The changes are made "in addition to" what has already been done...so blue solenoids should hit even harder at part throttle...if that is possible or even necessary...

setting 1 is bone stock.

setting 2 is a slight bit more firm. the shifts will feel different than stock and a bit quicker. you will actually "feel" the dip in TQ that the car's ecu has commanded during shifts.

setting 3 is more firm. you will start to feel a little bump in the shift. you will also notice that it takes less time to downshift and that the downshifts are a bit more aggressive.

setting 4 is firm. you get a noticable bump during shifts and the part throttle upshifts and downshifts become even more aggressive.

setting 5 is firmer. by this point, you know there's been work done to the tranny...you may even start to get tire chirp at higher revs.

setting 6 is firmest. it may not be suitable for a daily driver position for everyone. the upshifts and downshifts are very firm. stuff rattles...including your teeth. the transmission seems to now know what gear you want to be in as your pressing the pedal...mash the gas...it's in the perfect gear at the correct rpm...hang on.

as mentioned elsewhere...remember that this box is designed for part throttle shift firmness, which is where it has the greatest effect... the further you press the gas pedal...the less effect the box has on the tranny...due to the nature of how the tranny actually works. This is not to imply that there is NO effect at WOT...but to clarify that the neck-snapping shift on setting 6 at part throttle will not be applied ON TOP OF the already firm WOT shift that you already have.

The box works best with a CMR tune that has had significant TQ management modifications done, to take advantage of ALL of the TQ available during the shifting sequence...but it is not necessary...merely an option.

Since I am also a CMR tuner, I can help you out with the TQ management as needed...simply PM me for details. I will include, at no charge, a custom CMR tune for all Diablo customers.

I will be going to get parts for these in the coming days. Alot of the components have to be ordered...they are OEM electronics that you wont find on the shelf anywhere...

I'm in Metro Altanta.

That is a very interesting find Chris. The adjustablity is a great feature. any more info on this?

That is a very interesting find Chris. The adjustablity is a great feature. any more info on this?

Yeah I'm gonna have David (guy who invented it) come over and answer some questions and give more info.

Yeah I'm gonna have David (guy who invented it) come over and answer some questions and give more info.

I googled it and found some more information. Looks like a good upgrade to make the jeep more fun to drive everyday. Seems like the guys who have installed one are impressed.

Sounds just like Bills Stage 2 Valve Body

Sounds just like Bills Stage 2 Valve Body

Yes but not exactly. The guys running Bills VB and this kit have noticed much more positive gear changes at partial throttle whereas the VB is really designed for WOT from what I have gathered. I pm'd Bill to join the thread and give his input as well.

Yes but not exactly. The guys running Bills VB and this kit have noticed much more positive gear changes at partial throttle whereas the VB is really designed for WOT from what I have gathered. I pm'd Bill to join the thread and give his input as well.

Ok cool, maybe they can stop, colaberate and listen.:D

Ok cool, maybe they can stop, colaberate and listen.:D

Ice is back?!?! hahaha :p

Ice is back?!?! hahaha :p

With a brand new invention:D

Harrison grabs ahold of me tightly..

Im in any guess price?

A few questions ...

how does this box get installed?
what kind of price are we looking at?
how well/worse would this work with someone using nitrous?
any long term effects on a stock tranny?

DO NOT install that with the Stage II valve body!:eek:
DO NOT install it with my tranny or you will VOID THE WARRANTY!:mad:

My pressures are all adjusted EXACTLY where I want them by using my Octotranny and now the "Data Logging" pressure transducer tranny...per the SRT Engineers suggestions. I BALANCE the pressures.

I even tell the TCM guys DO NOT touch my line pressures!

Serious as Hell guys, don't use that with my stuff. :mad::mad:

If you want to "play around" and don't have my components ok.
I look after my customers.;)

Do you guys even know what that thing does???
It changes the voltage to the 2 solenoids (the solenoids some change out to the Blue Top Solenoids), basically adjustable to no voltage = full line pressure to the shift solenoid and the modulating pressure solenoid.

Ok, when your car goes into limp mode, the solenoids receive NO voltage and therefore exhaust off NO pressure. Ever feel the BANG when it goes into gear?

I'll stop there. Enough info. Forgot how many people look at this.:(
Bill

too coldddddddddd

wwwhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa!!

Good to know Bill. So it's either one or the other but definitely not both.

Basically I view it as more of a novelty.:)
Nothing against Dave either...he came up with something.

What I design and manufacture for you guys are things to make your vehicles better or quicker or faster....not "toys".

What until you see what is in the pipeline!
Bill

Thanks for chiming in on the subject Bill.......answered my questions!

Basically I view it as more of a novelty.:)
Nothing against Dave either...he came up with something.

What I design and manufacture for you guys are things to make your vehicles better or quicker or faster....not "toys".

What until you see what is in the pipeline!
Bill

You always have something up your sleeve!!!! I wish I had the money to keep up with all your great ideas/products. I still have not had the priviledge to install your valve body. :(

Basically I view it as more of a novelty.:)
Nothing against Dave either...he came up with something.

What I design and manufacture for you guys are things to make your vehicles better or quicker or faster....not "toys".

What until you see what is in the pipeline!
Bill


hmmm, can almost see it now. lol

Basically I view it as more of a novelty.:)
Nothing against Dave either...he came up with something.

What I design and manufacture for you guys are things to make your vehicles better or quicker or faster....not "toys".

What until you see what is in the pipeline!
Bill

Darn it Bill, you can't drop that line on us and leave us hanging!! I have my mod list and checked it twice -- ok, if you can't tell us without killing us, can you at least give an ETA like September or November?

hmmm, can almost see it now. lol
What are you 2 keeping from me? Please tell

This kit seems to have good results on the LXforums.

Not doubting your experience on the LX stuff but we are all too aware that after the 6.1 engine under the hood the jeep is totally different than the LX vehicles, tranny, transfer case, front and rear diffs are not the same so when you mod one you have to consider the affect on the other components on the jeep, do you even know how power is distrubted between the front and rear and have you tested this on any jeeps like Bill did before he started selling parts for our jeeps? Not busting chops but your not gonna sell the golden egg to us jeep guys until it has been proven on one.

Anyone Try The Jeep Yet,?

I just read some of your post on the LX boards... Looks very interesting, cost effective and a real easy install. Did I understand correctly that you can adjust the RPM's where the shift takes place as well?

Valve body Bill.. You have gained the respect of many on this board and justifiably so with your service and product How about some facts to back up your statements for educational purpose. Not simple "this will void your warrantee be scared". In theory a thermostat could void your warrantee and those who play know at some point they could pay. In theory your valve body could void a warrantee could it not? If a transmission fails and you tell the service department that you have the Builder Bill valve body in the transmission they wont care? Are your valve bodies covered as a chrysler after market part? I ask for education on where to go in the future with my mods.


Here is what I have always understood about "shift kits"....
.... Valve bodies where a better mod for the transmission for they are mechanical and don't effect line pressures via electronic adjustments which can cause damage to the transmissions over time......I dont have any evidenace or facts to back this up this is just what the general school of thought with Lightning where I have been hanging for the past 5 years. (I recently added the Hemi to my stable). Then again a valve body for a lighting is 295.00 all day long with no core charge...I put one in my L and Love it, I just cant justify the cash for one for the Jeep. I really like the idea of this silver box mod, if it doesn't do damage to the transmission and if you can adjust the shift points. So if I understand the pricing correctly, you can get the silver box mod for around 300 bucks and it is simple to install. Sure beats the hell out of a 1000+ TCM tune and a 700 dollar valve body.. I know the there is more to a TCM tune then shift points...

So any facts to support that the silver box mod will do damage to the transmission or wont would be nice.. I for sure would sign up if it is just as safe as a valve body. Sure the hell a lot cheaper and a lot easier to install. Just seems to good to be true, but so is universal health coverage and legalized marijuana.

Thats my ramble

Cliff Notes: Lets see some facts to support that the silver box is bad for the transmission and will void the warrantee and a valve body wont void the warrantee and is better for the transmission then a silver box.

What Bill meant is his warranty on his stage II valvebody is void if installed not the Jeep factory warranty (I'm sure if the dealer saw the silver box it would be the same).

I saw nothing about RPM adjustments rather 6 adjustments to increase shift firmness with 1 being stock.


I just read some of your post on the LX boards... Looks very interesting, cost effective and a real easy install. Did I understand correctly that you can adjust the RPM's where the shift takes place as well?

Valve body Bill.. You have gained the respect of many on this board and justifiably so with your service and product How about some facts to back up your statements for educational purpose. Not simple "this will void your warrantee be scared". In theory a thermostat could void your warrantee and those who play know at some point they could pay. In theory your valve body could void a warrantee could it not? If a transmission fails and you tell the service department that you have the Builder Bill valve body in the transmission they wont care? Are your valve bodies covered as a chrysler after market part? I ask for education on where to go in the future with my mods.


Here is what I have always understood about "shift kits"....
.... Valve bodies where a better mod for the transmission for they are mechanical and don't effect line pressures via electronic adjustments which can cause damage to the transmissions over time......I dont have any evidenace or facts to back this up this is just what the general school of thought with Lightning where I have been hanging for the past 5 years. (I recently added the Hemi to my stable). Then again a valve body for a lighting is 295.00 all day long with no core charge...I put one in my L and Love it, I just cant justify the cash for one for the Jeep. I really like the idea of this silver box mod, if it doesn't do damage to the transmission and if you can adjust the shift points. So if I understand the pricing correctly, you can get the silver box mod for around 300 bucks and it is simple to install. Sure beats the hell out of a 1000+ TCM tune and a 700 dollar valve body.. I know the there is more to a TCM tune then shift points...

So any facts to support that the silver box mod will do damage to the transmission or wont would be nice.. I for sure would sign up if it is just as safe as a valve body. Sure the hell a lot cheaper and a lot easier to install. Just seems to good to be true, but so is universal health coverage and legalized marijuana.

Thats my ramble

Cliff Notes: Lets see some facts to support that the silver box is bad for the transmission and will void the warrantee and a valve body wont void the warrantee and is better for the transmission then a silver box.

Shift point rpm increase?

Torque limiter (multiple limiters in EGS) elimination?

Does it just increase line pressure?

Anyone seeing reductions in average ET/Trap?

Custom EGS Remap/TCM >"Electronic shift kit" (no offense to the creator), let's not confuse the two mods in any way, we adjust far more variables. We tune for WOT and part throttle and the refinement in day to day driving is something that simply cannot be had from what is essentially plug-in/piggyback line pressure controller.

Neat device though, kind of like my puffin box for N/A Modular Mustangs. .15 ET reduction and 1-1.5mph gain on a stock 98 Cobra/98 GT by putting an adjustable resistor box inline with the IAT--making the ECU think it was 19F out was worth a bit of HP/TQ. This was back when autologic was the only way to tune an EEC IV LOL.

Anyway, if anyone does purchase a tuned TCM from us with "elec shift kit" we will have to know up front not to touch line pressure.

What Bill meant is his warranty on his stage II valvebody is void if installed not the Jeep factory warranty (I'm sure if the dealer saw the silver box it would be the same).

I saw nothing about RPM adjustments rather 6 adjustments to increase shift firmness with 1 being stock.
Thanks Dave!
Thought I was pretty clear,,,,don't use the "novelty" with my High Torque Capacity NAG1 or you will loose your warranty with Paramount Performance.
Bill

Sorry David, this is a construction guy approved site, so any opinion or competition expressed to the contrary on any product or issue will be met with strict opposition and a phalanx of followers $#tbirding your product. Nobody else knows anything about the drive line except the construction guy and anything else is just a marginal play around product. No soup for you come back, one year. Single tranny system mandated by government! Options not an option! God forbid we have choices and competition.

Why does every performance thread on this forum have to turn into a battle?!?! Bill stated his opinions on this and simply said DON'T use on his tranny if you want to keep your warranty! Dave said his thoughts, end of story! Why not just leave it at that?!?! What does it matter what Bill does for a living? Obviously he knows his $hit when it comes to the tranny and T-cases, never heard one complaint about any of Bills products.. As I'm sure SHR makes a good product too, never heard anything bad about them either! But, why does it always turn into a fight?

Thanks for coming over to answer some questions David.

X2 Thanks Dave,and Am Looking Forward To Someone Trying The Magic Box Out..

Sorry David, this is a construction guy approved site, so any opinion or competition expressed to the contrary on any product or issue will be met with strict opposition and a phalanx of followers $#tbirding your product. Nobody else knows anything about the drive line except the construction guy and anything else is just a marginal play around product. No soup for you come back, one year. Single tranny system mandated by government! Options not an option! God forbid we have choices and competition.

Hey I think your getting a bit carried away, no one on here has bashed his product as any potential customer we just want to know the full details about this product and how is works for OUR JEEP, no offense to the LX group or what he has done for them but I could really care less how it performs on the LX I want to know how well it works for the JEEP and don't see a problem with wanting to know that. Point out to where anyone critisized his product... What it may start to be clear with some now that both your and Eddie have made positive comments about this is that SH may have some sort of a stake in this product. You and I have gotten along pretty well and I think your a great guy but lately some of your comments have been pretty slided. I like to be an informed buyer and if not buying at least be educated enough to form an opinion about a product , but as of today we have no knowledge how this does on the Jeep. YES I have a BB Stage 2 VB and love it, NO I'm not here to make negative of this product as competition is good. You can bet before I bought Bills valve body I grilled two people on here that had them first and insisted on feedback from the "guinea pigs" per say, although Bill had personally tested this on his on Jeep I still wanted someone elses opinion who didn't have thousands of dollars and hours of reaserch into the product.

Wade, hopefully we will have some feedback soon enough. There are a few local jeep guys near David that are going to try it out and give some feedback.

Wade, hopefully we will have some feedback soon enough. There are a few local jeep guys near David that are going to try it out and give some feedback.

Excellent, will be glad to see an unbiased opinion of this product.

sounds neat.......but my needs point to this question.

I like a firm shift, who doesn't.....but......

I want to take tha biyatch to the drag strip and see improvement!

If it doesn't really do anything at WOT then is it worth it?

My Jeep is hammered from the last yellow until the win light comes on...make sense?

Sure, I would like a BB set-up or combo, or TCM, etc..etc..
I can't afford that stuff, maybe I shouldn't have this Jeep?
I looked into the "blue tops" and $350 + install, myself, fluids etc....$500?

If this will do almost all of that, and give some 1/4 proven results. $300 I'm in to
crimp a few wires etc.

thoughts????? am I way outta line ?

Big thanks to David (351freak) for coming over here to answer our questions and give more info on the silver box. As you can see we are a little skeptical with any parts that come out for our Jeeps because like Wade (centraltexhemi) said products are usually designed for the lx crowd and thrown to us assuming it will work. Logically it should but our drivetrains/electrics have little oompa-loompa's that like to throw us a curveball! :p

I think the silver box has potential but we would need those members close to you to step up for testing on our rigs. Honestly if it were not for the adjustability I would have passed by this thread and continued to keep Bill's valvebody on my wishlist. Being able to dial in the firmness/speed of the shifts is a great idea however it is being done. Now will this cause problems in the long run? Only time will tell if someone is willing to step up.

Any lx guys have problems so far David? From the posts I read over there I saw nothing but positive feedback which is a good start. It also seems like your customer/people skills are up to the level of our best over here.


As for no gains at WOT, yeah some may not like that, but in all honesty I've not seen Bill's valvebody give any gain in the 1/4 mile (not knocking ya Bill). It may take away .05 in the overall scheme but not huge chunks (this was on lightly moded jeeps though, I'm sure with more power the VB would increase et due to the slip in the 2-3&3-4 shifts when you have an extra 100+hp). You can watch the jeep's front end stay up on shifts and the jeep will literally lunge forward....I remember this from racing Harryballz and G-ville! Part throttle driving is where I spend most of my time in the jeep. It is my DD and I would love to have torque reduction taken away by a TCM so when I step on it I don't get the sluggish accel I sometimes have, or Bill's valvebody to increase the crispness of my kickdowns when I step on the go pedal and take the lag out of the 2-3 & 3-4 shifts. This box seems to be another avenue for those to take. The price is right the adjustability is great but it has to be proven on our rigs before I even think about trying one.

So I say kudos David on developing a new product and delivering the expected results to the lx guys. Now lets get a jeep over there and see how it works for us. :)

Not in this thread to bash anyone but here are my thoughts (not that anyone cares (or should)...

As of this second I do not have a BBill product on my Jeep; however it sure seems the testing is (and continues to) done prior to anything going on a "public" Jeep. Sounds like the "silver box" thing is not that way that is concerning to me.

Back on subject I'm sure this product will work fine for some of us, but don't think it would ever work on my Jeep. Prolly just cause more problems...all to save what $250, that could cause some severe tranny problems later ($5K). Something sounds not right to me

DO NOT install that with the Stage II valve body!:eek:
DO NOT install it with my tranny or you will VOID THE WARRANTY!:mad:

My pressures are all adjusted EXACTLY where I want them by using my Octotranny and now the "Data Logging" pressure transducer tranny...per the SRT Engineers suggestions. I BALANCE the pressures.

I even tell the TCM guys DO NOT touch my line pressures!

Serious as Hell guys, don't use that with my stuff. :mad::mad:

If you want to "play around" and don't have my components ok.
I look after my customers.;)

Do you guys even know what that thing does???
It changes the voltage to the 2 solenoids (the solenoids some change out to the Blue Top Solenoids), basically adjustable to no voltage = full line pressure to the shift solenoid and the modulating pressure solenoid.

Ok, when your car goes into limp mode, the solenoids receive NO voltage and therefore exhaust off NO pressure. Ever feel the BANG when it goes into gear?

I'll stop there. Enough info. Forgot how many people look at this.:(
Bill

As for me...I would MUCH rather have a "part"(like the valvebody) than something that just electronically changes something. Ever hear the statement "You get what you pay for"

Basically I view it as more of a novelty.:)
Nothing against Dave either...he came up with something.

What I design and manufacture for you guys are things to make your vehicles better or quicker or faster....not "toys".

What until you see what is in the pipeline!
Bill
Please tell, at least me before I go spending money that I shouldn't

Back on subject I'm sure this product will work fine for some of us, but don't think it would ever work on my Jeep. Prolly just cause more problems...all to save what $250, that could cause some severe tranny problems later ($5K). Something sounds not right to me


Not defending David or his product but he did say he was going to do some testing on these cars with higher hp.

730 RWHP 09 6-speed 426 Vortech V-7 Challenger...
510 RWHP 09 6-speed 440 all-motor Challenger...
630 RWHP 06 Auto 426 Pro-Charger "Charger"...

Maybe he will chime back in with info of how it works on the big hp hemis.

Guys, I have to do some editing in this thread. David has been given contact information concerning our vendor program. Please understand he is not allowed to discuss his products and services here at this time and he is aware of this.

Bernie

Thanks for the number Blown, I'll give him a call and see about testing it. If I do I'll give a report to you all, as he is only a few miles from me.

Makes sence Rambit.... I do see your point to maintain the integrity of the forum and that is what the vendors are paying there hard earned cash for at this time. I am sure if his product is what he is saying it is he will come back with proven results and data to back up his claims. It does seem to go to be true, but I am all for a cost saving product, as long as it doesnt do damage to the transmiton... The Valve body has been a proven mod and Bill has put time and research into the VB for our hemi's to show its utility. The VB has been around for a long time on a lot of platforms and it works and does what it advertises. Some even say it is better for your tranny for the it shifts quicker which cuts down on the wear on the tranny. I hope the silver box is a cost benefit mod, but I want to see results before I slap one on my jeep. I dont need to destroy my tranny to save 500 bucks but would do it if it doesnt do long term damage for the cost saving and install is very easy.

I also know the TCM is the grand pubba of mods for the tranny, I just cant justify 1400 bucks to a DD mod like that... Someday maybe but not now...

I will say this.. it is exciting to see new stuff come down the pipeline.. that is what its all about.. competition breads better products and more options for us the consumer.

Tally Ho and happy Jeeping.... PS going to Pinks all out tommorow.. should be fun...

Doug

Tally Ho and happy Jeeping.... PS going to Pinks all out tommorow.. should be fun...
Doug

Watching or participating? With the Jeep or the L?

Watching or participating? With the Jeep or the L?

Watchin.. I dont have the skills or the sac to put the L on the line....


Doug

Bottom line is why should you guys be the testers?
My 6 testers make typically make out handsomely, and this is after I have tested the Hell out of a product!

I began my valve body project by studying our NAG1 tranny and where each and every clutch pack and converter passage was fed.
Then I drilled and tapped 8 ports into the heart of the tranny.
I then installed stainless steel braided line into the tranny ports and ran gauges into the Jeep.
For 10,000 miles my wife would not ride or drive the Jeep with all those friggen gauges.

That's how I tweaked the settings in the valve body and can certainly claim to know more about the NAG1 valve body than probably the Chief Engineer of the Transmission group.

I spoke at lengths in Ohio to the SRT Driveline Development Engineer ( I was a Senior Development Engineer) about the pressures and what things like the Blue top solenoids did.

He asked why I did not use pressure transducers to data log the pressures.
Sadly that is a very expensive way to go.
Well, guess what, I now have the data logger and the transducers.

How do you think I came up with the new converter program....yep, data logging.


It just gravels the Hell out of me when people come up with untested stuff....remember GSM?????

Oh well.
Bill

I know that I, and most on here, appreciate all the hard work you have put into making our jeeps faster, stronger, and more fun to drive. I saw your gauge set-up you had going on in the jeep with octotranny at Zmax and just that alone impressed the hell out of me. All the extra steps you take are the reason your products perform so well and why most choose to use your proven equipment. Keep up the good work.


Bottom line is why should you guys be the testers?
My 6 testers make typically make out handsomely, and this is after I have tested the Hell out of a product!

I began my valve body project by studying our NAG1 tranny and where each and every clutch pack and converter passage was fed.
Then I drilled and tapped 8 ports into the heart of the tranny.
I then installed stainless steel braided line into the tranny ports and ran gauges into the Jeep.
For 10,000 miles my wife would not ride or drive the Jeep with all those friggen gauges.

That's how I tweaked the settings in the valve body and can certainly claim to know more about the NAG1 valve body than probably the Chief Engineer of the Transmission group.

I spoke at lengths in Ohio to the SRT Driveline Development Engineer ( I was a Senior Development Engineer) about the pressures and what things like the Blue top solenoids did.

He asked why I did not use pressure transducers to data log the pressures.
Sadly that is a very expensive way to go.
Well, guess what, I now have the data logger and the transducers.

How do you think I came up with the new converter program....yep, data logging.


It just gravels the Hell out of me when people come up with untested stuff....remember GSM?????

Oh well.
Bill

Why does every performance thread on this forum have to turn into a battle?!?! Bill stated his opinions on this and simply said DON'T use on his tranny if you want to keep your warranty! Dave said his thoughts, end of story! Why not just leave it at that?!?! What does it matter what Bill does for a living? Obviously he knows his when it comes to the tranny and T-cases, never heard one complaint about any of Bills products.. As I'm sure SHR makes a good product too, never heard anything bad about them either! But, why does it always turn into a fight?

Comments had nothing to do with SHR, jpeyatt. Don't care what people do for a living, just trying not to directly use people's names in vain. Calling it a "toy" or "novelty" and some of the other stuff was, in my opinion, derisive - with all the fonts and faces in the post from poster of known brevity, it clearly put sand in someone's britches beyond stating opinions, (maybe because it is an alternative product) and prompted my response, which, as the three + pages after my post read out, pretty much made my point. What, only some people can state opinions? There was no bashing or profanity, and nothing about SHR. Leave them out of it. Some good discourse from it anyway, and good to see options out there. Like the idea (E55 has a C/S/M button on its 7226, which yields similar net effect). I just don't like the kneejerk derisive comments just because its new. Immediate and unfounded comparisons to GSM. Now, all that said, the OP asked for comments, so they got them. I've got a right to comment on them just as well, within forum rules. Not a battle, just discourse.

Notwithstanding all that, the vendor status issue seems like it was handled properly. Was wondering when that would be addressed and it was.

Bottom line is why should you guys be the testers?
My 6 testers make typically make out handsomely, and this is after I have tested the Hell out of a product!

I began my valve body project by studying our NAG1 tranny and where each and every clutch pack and converter passage was fed.
Then I drilled and tapped 8 ports into the heart of the tranny.
I then installed stainless steel braided line into the tranny ports and ran gauges into the Jeep.
For 10,000 miles my wife would not ride or drive the Jeep with all those friggen gauges.

That's how I tweaked the settings in the valve body and can certainly claim to know more about the NAG1 valve body than probably the Chief Engineer of the Transmission group.

I spoke at lengths in Ohio to the SRT Driveline Development Engineer ( I was a Senior Development Engineer) about the pressures and what things like the Blue top solenoids did.

He asked why I did not use pressure transducers to data log the pressures.
Sadly that is a very expensive way to go.
Well, guess what, I now have the data logger and the transducers.

How do you think I came up with the new converter program....yep, data logging.


It just gravels the Hell out of me when people come up with untested stuff....remember GSM?????

Oh well.
Bill

Builder Bill, I don’t think anyone doubts your dedication and development to your VB's. Your service and customer feedback speaks for itself.

All I was asking for is some pros and cons about this new product. I for one will not be a Ginny pig for the project. However, if the unnamed vendor produces a product that works, does not hard to the transmission and has empherical data to back up the claims, then I for one will be very interested and will consider purchasing the product.

I would just like edumicational type information on how it works and is it a product that is damaging in the long run to the tyranny or not. For it sure looks like it is an easy product to install and is cost effective (not something you see very often in the hemi realm of hot roddin).

It is American and as a consumer I like options. I like saving money but am not one to cut corners when it comes to performance VS breaking my Hot Rod. If the better dollar is with the BBVB then I will pile my pennies up until I can afford one. I went with a Tom/Andy Tune for I knew that their work is outstanding and their service is top notch. I could have saved 100.00 bucks or so with another tuner but I would be second guessing it and Tom has the best customer service I have ever had with a vender in over 10 years of Message forum buying. So the same holds true with your product Bill. You have a following, your service is outstanding and your product is tested not to break my Hot Rod. I am leaning toward your VB but am going to wait and see what this new product and vender are all about.

To all the venders out there that bring these new products along I salute you. The HMP TCM, BBVB and other stuff that is coming down the pike is great stuff. I remember when I would get a chip mailed to me with a tune burned on it and have to have a dyno then send it back for adjustments and back to the dyno and on and on. Times have really changed for these new hot rods in the past 5 years and the consumer has only gotten better options. I for one want to see more information about these products no matter how knew they are to the market and untested they are. It opens up dialogue and discussion where the next guy might scratch his head and come up with an idea that will better are hot rods down the road. No need to bash a dude for trying his hand at something that may provide results. Now if someone is selling a product and making claims that are not true or unsupportive that is a different story and those bastards need to be delt with by the consumer not buying their product. That is what is great about message forums. You could go down to your local auto parts and buy a K and N filter that says you get 22 HP and think you are the shiznit with your new mod and never know that it only gives you a few horsepower. That is the power of the message forum. Dudes buy goodies, then take it to the track and post results. Knowledge is power and the message forum allows the consumer to make a more informed purchase.

Now Bill, If you could help educate us (or at least me), without bashing unnamed vender with unnamed product, on why a VB is a safer, better mod then messing with an electrical devise to do so that would be great.

Bottom line is why should you guys be the testers?
My 6 testers make typically make out handsomely, and this is after I have tested the Hell out of a product!

I began my valve body project by studying our NAG1 tranny and where each and every clutch pack and converter passage was fed.
Then I drilled and tapped 8 ports into the heart of the tranny.
I then installed stainless steel braided line into the tranny ports and ran gauges into the Jeep.
For 10,000 miles my wife would not ride or drive the Jeep with all those friggen gauges.

That's how I tweaked the settings in the valve body and can certainly claim to know more about the NAG1 valve body than probably the Chief Engineer of the Transmission group.

I spoke at lengths in Ohio to the SRT Driveline Development Engineer ( I was a Senior Development Engineer) about the pressures and what things like the Blue top solenoids did.

He asked why I did not use pressure transducers to data log the pressures.
Sadly that is a very expensive way to go.
Well, guess what, I now have the data logger and the transducers.

How do you think I came up with the new converter program....yep, data logging.


It just gravels the Hell out of me when people come up with untested stuff....remember GSM?????

Oh well.
Bill
LOL! More smoke and mirrors!

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Play nice guys and that includes vendors. Debating the worthiness of the product is fair game in this thread, but we can do without inuendos, intended or not.

Bernie

Checking in to see what developes and what other choices we have.

More Choices=more products= competition= cheaper prices :D

Well, I've called him two days in a row now with no answer.......

Update: I just talked to david on the phone. For sure the guy knows his Fords, as I said when I came here I bleed Ford blue and we talked about alot of cars from the old day (er my old days, lucky ass still has his) I'm meeting up with him next week to install the box. Once I get it in, I'll spin'r around and see whats up and report back.

Well, I've called him two days in a row now with no answer.......

Update: I just talked to david on the phone. For sure the guy knows his Fords, as I said when I came here I bleed Ford blue and we talked about alot of cars from the old day (er my old days, lucky ass still has his) I'm meeting up with him next week to install the box. Once I get it in, I'll spin'r around and see whats up and report back.

Can't wait for the results!

I think we need to cut Bill some slack! He knows more than anyone when it comes transfer cases and our drivetrain's. Bill always jumps on threads to post helpful insight and gives true advice and doesn't try to sell someone something they don't need. Yeah maybe he jumped on the product kinda quick, but from my past experiences electronic shift kits aren't really a good product.

Don't get me wrong I hope the product works and doesn't shorten the like of the transmission, I hope everyone keeps that in mind when the initially results come back. Just because something works doesn't mean it is going to last.

This shift kit needs to be tested and have a lot of miles put on it, before to many claims are made of it's greatness.

Bill's products rock out with their co#ks out!!!!!

I talked to bill about this product. he talked to some industry players and had no real negative comments to date. Some liked it, some said it was ok. I'll get it installed and give you an idea, but I can't say it'll get a ton of miles as me and the wife don't drive a lot of miles a year, though when I'm driving the srt its driven like i stole it

I talked to bill about this product. he talked to some industry players and had no real negative comments to date. Some liked it, some said it was ok. I'll get it installed and give you an idea, but I can't say it'll get a ton of miles as me and the wife don't drive a lot of miles a year, though when I'm driving the srt its driven like i stole it

I talked to bill about this product. he talked to some industry players and had no real negative comments to date. Some liked it, some said it was ok. I'll get it installed and give you an idea, but I can't say it'll get a ton of miles as me and the wife don't drive a lot of miles a year, though when I'm driving the srt its driven like i stole it


Good to know, keep us updated.

Well, I've called him two days in a row now with no answer.......

Update: I just talked to david on the phone. For sure the guy knows his Fords, as I said when I came here I bleed Ford blue and we talked about alot of cars from the old day (er my old days, lucky ass still has his) I'm meeting up with him next week to install the box. Once I get it in, I'll spin'r around and see whats up and report back.

Hope it goes well for ya. I don't have the balls to be a "Test Dummy". I'm sure there will be plenty awaiting your thoughts, both immediate and long term.
Good luck

I talked to bill about this product. he talked to some industry players and had no real negative comments to date. Some liked it, some said it was ok. I'll get it installed and give you an idea, but I can't say it'll get a ton of miles as me and the wife don't drive a lot of miles a year, though when I'm driving the srt its driven like i stole it
Exactly,
1 guy liked it
1 guy thought it made his ride "jerky".
If you need specifics, PM me.
Bill

Worst case scenario for me, I take it off and drive to Charlotte. Then I get to meet Bill and harass him out of an install!!! LOL

Well, I've called him two days in a row now with no answer.......

Update: I just talked to david on the phone. For sure the guy knows his Fords, as I said when I came here I bleed Ford blue and we talked about alot of cars from the old day (er my old days, lucky ass still has his) I'm meeting up with him next week to install the box. Once I get it in, I'll spin'r around and see whats up and report back.

Thanks for keeping us in the loop with your experience That is great.

I would still like to know how this working differently then a VB and if there are any issues with effect on Tranny and so on.

Thanks Doug

Thanks for keeping us in the loop with your experience That is great.

I would still like to know how this working differently then a VB and if there are any issues with effect on Tranny and so on.

Thanks Doug

Doug,
Your 2003 L doesn't have every mod :p we have done a handful of TCMs for them as well for a couple local customers. Lots of tq limiters in there. Gotta have a built trans to run one though.

Doug,
Your 2003 L doesn't have every mod :p we have done a handful of TCMs for them as well for a couple local customers. Lots of tq limiters in there. Gotta have a built trans to run one though.

Yeh you will never have every mod and there is always someone faster then you... :D

Funny you should bring that I up.. I was talking to my tunner about your TCM's and he was very impressed.... IF I had a big pot of gold right now I would have one for sure..... :)

any news on this?

ill be a test jeep . i have a vortech running increased boost. if it holds 9-10psi it should be good.

ill be a test jeep . i have a vortech running increased boost. if it holds 9-10psi it should be good.

Are you in Atlanta?

Are you in Atlanta?

almost, greenville sc. . i have made it in an 90 minutes, id just like to talk to someone on the phone that knows what it does. im heading to the track tonight so i can get before and after results.

I live in Atlanta I got a 5.7 Hemi Jeep or they looking for 6.1?

ChrisWK

Good threead here. All that should be taken away formthis menail arguing is some more good info. No one should take this stuff personally and if you do becuase its your business or passion or w/e, oou need ot lighten up. Arguing on the internet is very immature lol. I think posts should stick to questions, opinons on products or ideas, and comments related to it. Anything off topic or personal etc sohuld be left out. I think we should actually have a bully, argue, perosnal type thread that is specifically for all those who feel the need to bash one another and get butt hurt. It would be good entertainment, keep the bs out of the informative threads and allow people to blow off some steam. We all know this forum is the #1favorite for many guys to di it haha. Excited ot see results, keep the info coming.

Good threead here. All that should be taken away formthis menail arguing is some more good info. No one should take this stuff personally and if you do becuase its your business or passion or w/e, oou need ot lighten up. Arguing on the internet is very immature lol. I think posts should stick to questions, opinons on products or ideas, and comments related to it. Anything off topic or personal etc sohuld be left out. I think we should actually have a bully, argue, perosnal type thread that is specifically for all those who feel the need to bash one another and get butt hurt. It would be good entertainment, keep the bs out of the informative threads and allow people to blow off some steam. We all know this forum is the #1favorite for many guys to di it haha. Excited ot see results, keep the info coming.

I'll say, I just learned that a menail is a domestic servant. :D

I tested this item a while back and it does firm up shifts plenty. It will require modulation if you have other mods (v/b, solenoids) so that the desired results are achieved within parameters that the owner wants, but the variable setting is a nice feature and good to have options. I thought the 6 setting was a bit much for my taste, but it achieves the stated task.

I'll say, I just learned that a menail is a domestic servant. :D

I tested this item a while back and it does firm up shifts plenty. It will require modulation if you have other mods (v/b, solenoids) so that the desired results are achieved within parameters that the owner wants, but the variable setting is a nice feature and good to have options. I thought the 6 setting was a bit much for my taste, but it achieves the stated task.

Interesting:cool: So it bangs gears pretty hard at partial throttle?

Interesting:cool: So it bangs gears pretty hard at partial throttle?

I don't really recall, firmness was modulated by the knob. I recall increased firmness during WOT passes. You can make it hit light or very hard, but yeah, it hit hard during both.