The weather cooperated today and I was able to continue from the work I finished yesterday on the front end. White lithium grease took away my squeaks in the front bwoody links and creaks in my rear bwoody links. :)

Now the best part...I finally did Tony's/Prepare2win fix for the eibach bounce/bottom issue.

My eibach's had the update kit so I removed the big silver spacer, probably 1.25"-1.5" (edit*** I measured and they are 2.25"! :eek:) long and reinstalled the "cup" and bumpstop. This whole process was way easier than I expected and only took a little over an hour and a half with running to ace for the new shorter bolts.

I have to admit I was skeptical that this was going to work but I just came back from the test drive and I love how smooth the jeep is now!!! God I was ready to sell the damn thing between the squeaks/creaks, crap ride, and vibration. I went on my 20 mile loop and small bumps no longer bounce me up/down but it glides over, medium bumps you feel the springs doing the work like they should, and large it dips a good amount but the rear end doesn't buck back up like a wild stallion. I did not bottom in the same spots I usually do...I didn't bottom at all! :D Only time will tell if this fix is permanent but I am overly optimistic that this is how the jeep will stay.


Thanks for the tips/help prepare2win and Tony for the thread and work on Tamara's to figure it out.



I took a picture of the travel at ride height before and after.....here you go! You can really see how much removing the spacer gained.


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Here is a better look at the spacer while still installed.


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Just the spacer...2.25" of make your spine shiver! ;)


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This pic gives a really good idea of much travel the spacer takes away from the jeep. (Yes the jeep is dirty and I know about the chip)


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Thats good to hear bro!! I am glad your liking your Beast more now and hopefully will not have to get rid of it.

Jose

Thanks Jose.

It will be nice to not dread driving on the highway again.

Yeah, I think the Eibachs ride very well, but I never had the bottoming out issue to compare to like you do :D


Good to hear yours is riding better now :)

Thanks Jose.

It will be nice to not dread driving on the highway again.


Anytime bro!! I see your were on the SRT engineer chat session yesterday. Thats cool the engineers do those things but they haven't been able to really address our issue tho. You know what I mean?

Jose

Yeah, I think the Eibachs ride very well, but I never had the bottoming out issue to compare to like you do :D


Good to hear yours is riding better now :)


Thanks! :) I'm glad you never had to deal with the bottoming issue.



Anytime bro!! I see your were on the SRT engineer chat session yesterday. Thats cool the engineers do those things but they haven't been able to really address our issue tho. You know what I mean?

Jose



Yeah, I see you, blackjeepsrt, and me all posted about the vibration and got the same damn answer....Take it to your dealer.....WE ALL HAVE WITH NO LUCK!!!!! :mad:

Oh well, I know they cannot magically fix it over the computer but somewhere to guide these incompetent techs would be nice. :rolleyes:

Dang Dave you just did this? I assume your jeep already had them like that when you bought it. The Eibach kit never originally had that silver spacer in the kit until people started complaining. So Eibachs resolution was to send out those spacers to everyone that ordered the kit:rolleyes: What a joke! They took 2" of travel before the spacer and turned it into 0" of travel after you installed them:eek: I threw those spacers in the garbage when they got to me and actually took a hacksaw blade and cut the bumpstop shorter up to the lip that flares out around the edge.

Yeah, thats why on the way to Zmax I kept texting/complaining about the eibach's on the back roads!!!

I wish I would have did this a long time ago or at least before I went to Michigan.....I hated the jeep in the drive up. I75 sucks!

I thought about cutting the bumpstop but I will wait until I drive it around for a while and see if it needs further tweaking.

about time who r u bullshi..ing that u were gonna sell ur jeep u love it

about time who r u bullshi..ing that u were gonna sell ur jeep u love it

Vinny, no BS, I was very close to selling.

I will never let anyone work on my jeep again unless it is someone like AJ, DynoSteve, Bill, ViperDan, or somebody of their caliber.

I will say that the ride is 10x better and a good portion of my vibration is gone (not from eibach fix). Plus no more squeaks/creaks.


I was very close....even had a potential buyer.


Anyone know a good place in Orlando area to get my tires roadforce balanced? I just have a hint of vibration from 75ish to 80mph now.

wow i cant believe u would of done that well im happy ur keeping it now

wow i cant believe u would of done that well im happy ur keeping it now


I really didn't want to do it Vinny.....thats why I gave all this one last ditch effort and thank goodness it paid off.

I LOVE my jeep again! :D

Yeah, I see you, blackjeepsrt, and me all posted about the vibration and got the same damn answer....Take it to your dealer.....WE ALL HAVE WITH NO LUCK!!!!! :mad:

Oh well, I know they cannot magically fix it over the computer but somewhere to guide these incompetent techs would be nice. :rolleyes:

Yeah those engineers were no help at all and just tried to brush us off like we were nothing them GOOFS! Hopefully someone will find a fix to this issue! Mine still has the issue but its not as bad as when I first reported it to the dealer. We will see what happens bro! Glad your in Love with your Jeep again!

Jose

howz about a side view of your jeep stance?????????????????????????????????????

Mine is fine with just me driving around but once I load up stuff in the back and have a passenger it will still bottom pretty hard over big dips or bumps. Thinking about cutting another inch off the bumpstop to let the spring compress more.

howz about a side view of your jeep stance?????????????????????????????????????


Here are a couple I recently took up in MI.


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Looks good Dave, any of the Newer Discount Tires have the Hunter Roadforce just make sure you get a tire tech who knows how to use it

Looks good Dave, any of the Newer Discount Tires have the Hunter Roadforce just make sure you get a tire tech who knows how to use it or you can go to Hunters site and you can search for a place locally on their site that has one by zip code

Looks good Dave, any of the Newer Discount Tires have the Hunter Roadforce just make sure you get a tire tech who knows how to use it

Thanks Wade, I will make sure to specify that to my tire guy.

Here are a couple I recently took up in MI.


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Looks really nice and shinny bro!!

:rocker:Looks really nice and shinny bro!!

Thanks Jose.


I am so happy now.....I just got back from going out with the ole' lady and I made sure to take the crap roads I usually avoid to really test out the ride and the jeep passed with flying colors. I no longer shudder when seeing any type of bump, patches, bridges, etc. I cannot believe how much better she rides, it is like a completely different vehicle. I even hit a railroad crossing at 50mph and the rear end didn't try to shoot through the roof, in fact I could barely tell I crossed train tracks!!!! :D

I will have to relearn the feel in corners as now the back end will lean very slightly. When it was riding on the bumpstops before it made the rear feel planted until bumps and the rear end got all kinds of out of control or I put all that negative feedback into the steering wheel. Now the suspension can do its job. The addco swaybars would definitely compliment the rig now.

I don't want to stop driving it now....my passion is back! YIPPEEEEEEEEE :D:grinbiginvert:

Thanks for the update. I'm glad I read this befofe I put mine on.

i just cut my bumpstop and I still have that massive spacer. i have 1 inch until it hits the axle should i re order teh bump stop and do this?

i just cut my bumpstop and I still have that massive spacer. i have 1 inch until it hits the axle should i re order teh bump stop and do this?

If your jeep is riding smooth and not bottoming out with your current set-up then I would not worry about it.

If your jeep is riding smooth and not bottoming out with your current set-up then I would not worry about it.

it seem to bottom out hard when it does, I guess thats just how it is...

it seem to bottom out hard when it does, I guess thats just how it is...

If you cut the foam bumpstop in the eibach kit and left that 2.25" metal spacer there then when it bottoms you have less "soft" cushion with the foam and still the same amount of "hard" cushion with the spacer. I don't know how that is considered cushion but you get the idea. Thats why I didn't cut the foam as Prepare2win suggested and just removed the spacer. Others like DCspecial have cut 1" or so out of the metal spacer to get desired results.

I removed the spacer all together because my back was tired of the ride. I wanted the least chance of bottoming in everyday driving. I'm sure I will hit a bump/dip/expansion joint at some point that will make it bottom but so far all the usuall spots where it would slam before it now glides. I have a few hundred miles now and I have not bottomed at all. The jeep rides "like a caddy", as my Dad would say, compared to how it was.


If you wanted more travel you could replace those foam stops and remove the spacer or just cut 1-1.5" out of the spacer and use your current foam stops.

I agree with leaving the Eibach foam bumpstop whole. It will cushion pretty good.

Only time I bottom with the cut down spacer is where they put essentially a speed bump where they are resurfacing a road where they meet up to the old part of the roadway. It was nice and smooth....and then they put the damn speed bump/ramp in, made no sense to me. It bottoms, but not hard.
On normal bumpy roads and railroad crossings I'm good and never hit.

I agree with leaving the Eibach foam bumpstop whole. It will cushion pretty good.

Only time I bottom with the cut down spacer is where they put essentially a speed bump where they are resurfacing a road where they meet up to the old part of the roadway. It was nice and smooth....and then they put the damn speed bump/ramp in, made no sense to me. It bottoms, but not hard.
On normal bumpy roads and railroad crossings I'm good and never hit.

I thought you may have been crazy when you said your eibach's rode good. Now that I have done this I know you are not! haha :p

I took a drive on "my route" today to test the handling and the eibach's still work great. The jeep actually feels more stable now in higher speed sweepers since the springs/shocks can do the work as designed. No more of the big bumps transferring into me and then into the steering wheel.

I thought you may have been crazy when you said your eibach's rode good. Now that I have done this I know you are not! haha :p

I took a drive on "my route" today to test the handling and the eibach's still work great. The jeep actually feels more stable now in higher speed sweepers since the springs/shocks can do the work as designed. No more of the big bumps transferring into me and then into the steering wheel.


I had the feeling that some people thought I was crazy saying that I thought the Eibachs rode good, LOL

Glad to hear that you are loving the Jeep again :)

I love the handling of mine with the Eibachs and Bwoody links....always fun to see someone try and take turns as fast as I do and realize they are way too hot and have a hell of a time staying in the lane :D

Here are a couple I recently took up in MI.


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thanks! geeeez super clean!!! looks great bro.

Does anyone know if this can be done to the BWoody springs as well?

Does anyone know if this can be done to the BWoody springs as well?

According to what Mike @ Bwoody posted on another forum....the instructions state to remove the stock bumpstop tower and stock bumpstop to install their included Energy Suspension bumpstop.
So yours already should be like that, unless your installer didn't follow the instructions.

thanks! geeeez super clean!!! looks great bro.


Thanks bud, I appreciate the kind words. :)

According to what Mike @ Bwoody posted on another forum....the instructions state to remove the stock bumpstop tower and stock bumpstop to install their included Energy Suspension bumpstop.
So yours already should be like that, unless your installer didn't follow the instructions.

They did do this BUT, if you go over a speed bump or dip on the road, the ride gets really harsh. Like what you experienced with the Eibach's before this mod.

Just wondering if there is anything to be done to soften the ride? Besides going back to stock that is.

They did do this BUT, if you go over a speed bump or dip on the road, the ride gets really harsh. Like what you experienced with the Eibach's before this mod.

Just wondering if there is anything to be done to soften the ride? Besides going back to stock that is.


With the stock bumpstop out and stock tower out and only the Bwoody/Energy Suspension bumpstop in you are hitting the bumpstop often?

They did do this BUT, if you go over a speed bump or dip on the road, the ride gets really harsh. Like what you experienced with the Eibach's before this mod.

Just wondering if there is anything to be done to soften the ride? Besides going back to stock that is.


Get under the rear end of your jeep and take a few pictures of the spring/bumpstop area. This will help us to see what config you have now and give suggestions.

After following Hawk's bump stop idea I cannot believe how much better my Jeep rides. I do remember reading that when the Energy bump stops are hit it's a little harsher than the softer Eibach stops.

After following Hawk's bump stop idea I cannot believe how much better my Jeep rides. I do remember reading that when the Energy bump stops are hit it's a little harsher than the softer Eibach stops.

Thanks for the kind words but Tony and Prepar2win deserve the credit for my silver spacers being removed. I just took some extra pics and did a review to help in the process.

Those energy bumpstops are hard and when they hit you will feel it.

I agree...polyurethane bumpstops are not forgiving. With a foam bumpstop you can compress it some by hand, that's not happening with a polyurethane though. The foam gives you some cushion.

For the pushin'? :p haha

Hey Hawkman I was going to do the shocks when I first got my srt8 then decided against if for my wife drives it a lot and we will soon have a kid in our lives so I didnt want the grocery getter giving her whiplash. Do you think with the mod up you did that its a lot better to the point where my wife wouldn't say Holly Hell I am going to kill you... this think rides like ****. I live in washington state and our roads are in pretty good shape. We will at times have 2 adults, kid, dogs in back and what not, so fairly weighed down... Any thoughts would be great... Thanks Doug

With the bumpstop setup like that you'll have to hit a very big bump for it to bottom out (I mean like taking a speed bump at 50mph type bump). Normal roads, bumps, rr crossings, etc.. it will be firmer/more controlled than stock. I really like the way that the Eibachs ride.

Hey Hawkman I was going to do the shocks when I first got my srt8 then decided against if for my wife drives it a lot and we will soon have a kid in our lives so I didnt want the grocery getter giving her whiplash. Do you think with the mod up you did that its a lot better to the point where my wife wouldn't say Holly Hell I am going to kill you... this think rides like ****. I live in washington state and our roads are in pretty good shape. We will at times have 2 adults, kid, dogs in back and what not, so fairly weighed down... Any thoughts would be great... Thanks Doug


If you would have asked me this a few weeks ago I would have said stay away from the eibach's...in fact run away. I was literally ready to put the stock springs back on and call it a day but since DC, Vinny, Tamara, prepare2win, etc all had positive things to say about the ride with the eibach's minus the silver spacer in the bumpstop I gave it one last ditch effort. I cannot even describe in words how big a difference the ride is. It gives me the smooth ride I enjoy along with the added control over my inputs. My fiancee loves the jeep even more. Today we took her parents to the movies and even with passengers in the back, a really big no-no before (HORID RIDE), the ride was smooth. I weight 190 my girl about 150 mom about 140 and Dad probably 215....so with 695 worth of passengers it rode great.

Like DC said you would have to hit something pretty big going 50+ mph to get it to bottom.

The Jeep is actually my wifes and we have 3 children under 5. She loves the way it drives now.

I'm curious what effects the extra travel will have on the stock shock. I know this was an issue on the LX platform with some guys who just did lowering springs. Here we're doing springs and cutting bump stops. Don't get me wrong, I hate bottoming out on my Bwoodys on bad bumps and dips but I'm just wondering when the shocks start to suffer. Something work keeping track off.

Thanks for all the info. I am sold. The stock wheel gap has bugged me since day one. One last question. Does the drop effect the drive train at all. Does it effect the pnon angles on dive shafts. Don't want the dealership try to blame the drop on a possible big warentte issue that could come along with the drivetrain


Thanks again.

Doug.

I'm curious what effects the extra travel will have on the stock shock. I know this was an issue on the LX platform with some guys who just did lowering springs. Here we're doing springs and cutting bump stops. Don't get me wrong, I hate bottoming out on my Bwoodys on bad bumps and dips but I'm just wondering when the shocks start to suffer. Something work keeping track off.


As long as the Bilsteins aren't bottoming out there shouldn't be any issues. Now, if the shock itself does bottom out and it occurs often it will drastically reduce their life.



Thanks for all the info. I am sold. The stock wheel gap has bugged me since day one. One last question. Does the drop effect the drive train at all. Does it effect the pnon angles on dive shafts. Don't want the dealership try to blame the drop on a possible big warentte issue that could come along with the drivetrain


Thanks again.

Doug.


Yep, they look much better lowered......even though it's just a 1.0/1.1 drop it's noticeable next to a stock height Jeep.

hey man do u happen to know the spec and size of the new bolts you had to get.. was thinking about ordering bwoody springs.. But after reading about everyone with the eibachs i think im going to go with these and the bwoody endlinks. Just want to make sure i get all the right stuff for it..

And also wheres the best place to order the springs from??

all the help i could get would be much appreciated..

Thanks
Brandon

I do not remember right off hand......I think I have a spare bolt. I will try to find it and get the specs for you but it may be a few days before I get back to you on that one.

I do not remember right off hand......I think I have a spare bolt. I will try to find it and get the specs for you but it may be a few days before I get back to you on that one.

I just installed my Eibachs in last week and the bolts are metric. Basically the bolt that came with the Eibachs is a socket head bolt that is a a M10 x1.5 pitch and was 80 mm(3 1/8") long. So when I went to look for a bolt so that i could install the silver cap and Eibach bump stop I calculated that I needed a 60mm or 65mm bolt. So I looked all over at a few places and they did not have the socket head screw that I needed, but after searching Google I was able to find these bolts at Bolt Depot. Does any of this sound familiar Dave?

Sounds about right Jose.....I just cannot remember the exact length of the bolt....I purchased 2 different sizes to be safe when I did mine.

Sounds about right Jose.....I just cannot remember the exact length of the bolt....I purchased 2 different sizes to be safe when I did mine.


Yeah the lengths are metric but I was trying to buy a 2 and 1/4" length bolt and a 2 and 1/2" length bolt when I measured them. The only problem I ran into is that the socket head bolts were no where to be found. The reason I could not use a hex head bolt was because there is no roon to get a socket inside if the Eibach bumpstop so that I could tighten the bolt.