Not really a kill but fun none the less.
Driving home Sunday afternoon following a Porsche 911 Carrera S. I was quite close up behind him giving him a little push(although we were in traffic) When suddenly the traffic cleared, he gave a little look in his mirror as if to say who does this guy in a big SUV think he is. Next thing he floors his Porsche obviously thinking that will get rid of him, a few hundred yards up the road I am still right behind him, he was not getting away. When he casually looked back in his mirror, all of a sudden I saw his eyes widen in dis-belief and then you know he thought WTF!! although he tried to get away it was to late we were back in traffic and he only had one option left pull out of the outside lane and take the next off ramp. Also I don't think his girlfriend was as impressed as he would of liked her to be.

Are you saying your truck is faster than a Carrera S?

Are you saying your truck is faster than a Carrera S?
Not really making that sort of comment, just saying what happened.
All I know is that he was unable to get away from my "truck" from about 60mph to 120mph. perhaps he was a hairdresser:)

Oh OK. There is a big difference between that and a "Kill".

Everytime I drive one of my Porsches or my M5 I have knuckleheads trying to race me everywhere I go. I have learned the best way to get rid of them is to make them think I am racing and let them keep up, or go by me so they can go home and tell all of their buddys how they beat a Porsche and go away.

I will say that from a dead stop a GCSRT8 can get a good jump on a Carrera S but from 60-120 it is a much different story. The 997 C2S is almost as fast as the earlier generation 996TT.

I love it when people have to compare cars against a 4500lb suv for 1/2 the price.I guess the porsche guy didnt think your suv would hit 120mph you should of took him to 155mph and really shocked him,nice show essex!

I love it when people have to compare cars against a 4500lb suv for 1/2 the price.I guess the porsche guy didnt think your suv would hit 120mph you should of took him to 155mph and really shocked him,nice show essex!
I totally agree the beauty of our Jeeps is and will always be the element of surprise. And as the UK is in theory only getting 50 SRT8's I think I will have the element of surprise for quite a while.

I like your disclaimer "Not really a kill but fun none the less."
That sums up your FUN run. Not to be confused with being able to beat the S.

GOOD JOB essex, I love shocking people with this jeep!

I don't know, stats I found on a carrera s are 0 - 60 in 4.6 seconds for base price around $82,000. Almost seems like someone took offense to a GC keeping up with a porsche. Comparing #'s = pretty realistic to me.

I don't know, stats I found on a carrera s are 0 - 60 in 4.6 seconds for base price around $82,000. Almost seems like someone took offense to a GC keeping up with a porsche. Comparing #'s = pretty realistic to me.

No offense was taken at all. I own both and I just don't think that this should have been called a "Kill" when the driver of the 911 was probably just trying to get away from an annoying, over-aggressive driver. I see it all the time and what I always do is let the jerk think I'm racing him and let him win so he goes home happy and starts threads like this. Most importantly I made him go away.

FYI: From Car & Driver Magazine...................

"The Carrera S model is capable of going 0 to 60mph in 3.9 seconds, and carries a top speed of 300 km/h (186 mph)"

BTW: my car stickered for $110,000 and it is worth every dime.

Why dont you just slow right down so they get pissed off and go by you instead of taunting them and then doing a pointless race that prolly will exceed the speed limit and the possibilty of a ticket. If your gonna race dont joke around and pull away =)

"The Carrera S model is capable of going 0 to 60mph in 3.9 seconds, and carries a top speed of 300 km/h (186 mph)"

Performance figures from Porsche UK:

Acceleration from 0 - 100 km/h (0 - 62 mph) 4.8 s 5.3 s*
Acceleration from 0 - 160 km/h (0 - 99 mph) 10.7 s 11.6 s
Elasticity 80 - 120 km/h (50 - 75 mph) 6.1 s 6.2s*
(*) Value for the tiptronic version

I dont know all our facts & figures but I guess top speed apart we are on a par with these figures so unless the US 911 Carrera S is significantly different to the UK spec I sir respectfully dispute your figures.
Thank you:)

"The Carrera S model is capable of going 0 to 60mph in 3.9 seconds, and carries a top speed of 300 km/h (186 mph)"

Performance figures from Porsche UK:

Acceleration from 0 - 100 km/h (0 - 62 mph) 4.8 s 5.3 s*
Acceleration from 0 - 160 km/h (0 - 99 mph) 10.7 s 11.6 s
Elasticity 80 - 120 km/h (50 - 75 mph) 6.1 s 6.2s*
(*) Value for the tiptronic version

I dont know all our facts & figures but I guess top speed apart we are on a par with these figures so unless the US 911 Carrera S is significantly different to the UK spec I sir respectfully dispute your figures.
Thank you:)

The quote in my post was not written by me it was taken from a US car Magazine who tested the car thoroughly (you seem to have deleted that when you included that in your thread). Almost every other magazine got the same results. Everyone knows Porsches factory horsepower and performance results are always very conservative and you obviously spent some time finding the highest numbers you could.

Either way this has nothing to do with either car. I think they are both fantastic in their own way. It has to do with a moron harrasing other drivers who want nothing to do with them and thinking they won some kind of race.

Here's a little advice, if they guy in the other car isn't willing to slow down, line up, and join in a little friendly competition, he probably just hinks your an idiot and wants to get away from you.

So like I said originally, I would not call this a "kill".


P.S. Based on the performance figures you state here is a comparison....

BMW 335i Coupe ........ BMW states 0-60 in 5.5 seconds

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7466064482729587715

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1381145402542736679

Why dont you just slow right down so they get pissed off and go by you instead of taunting them and then doing a pointless race that prolly will exceed the speed limit and the possibilty of a ticket. If your gonna race dont joke around and pull away =)

Because when you slow down they don't go away. Make them think they won and they are gone to start a thread like this.

The quote in my post was not written by me it was taken from a US car Magazine who tested the car thoroughly (you seem to have deleted that when you included that in your thread). Almost every other magazine got the same results. Everyone knows Porsches factory horsepower and performance results are always very conservative and you obviously spent some time finding the highest numbers you could.

Either way this has nothing to do with either car. I think they are both fantastic in their own way. It has to do with a moron harrasing other drivers who want nothing to do with them and thinking they won some kind of race.

Here's a little advice, if they guy in the other car isn't willing to slow down, line up, and join in a little friendly competition, he probably just hinks your an idiot and wants to get away from you.

So like I said originally, I would not call this a "kill".


P.S. Based on the performance figures you state here is a comparison....

BMW 335i Coupe ........ BMW states 0-60 in 5.5 seconds

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7466064482729587715

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1381145402542736679
How do either one of you yahoos even know what year Carrera S this guy encountered?

Quote:
Originally Posted by nagra8
Why dont you just slow right down so they get pissed off and go by you instead of taunting them and then doing a pointless race that prolly will exceed the speed limit and the possibilty of a ticket. If your gonna race dont joke around and pull away =)


Because when you slow down they don't go away. Make them think they won and they are gone to start a thread like this.

I do understand what you are saying (im from a hick town) When im out in the viper every light i get some guy yelling smoke them or when im driving people tend to drive right next to me to see the car and i get boxed in making it very hard to get around town.. It is a problem but thats what happens when you drive something that other people are attracted to or would like to see the potential of right?

It's because when a guy driving his porsche fakes a race, it's easier for him to say he would've won anyway. ;o) Slow below the speed limit and race to the speed limit - someone is gonna pull.

After watching of a real vid of the bmw 335i in action the Jeep should spank it.BMW say 5.5, 0-60 motorweek says 5.3 1/4 13.7.An jgcsrt-8 on a slow day will beat that.The guys on this forum proved better times.I think the guy driving the Jeep in the vids of post 14 is sand bagging.Plus the top speed of the Jeep is 5 mph faster 155 to 150 for the BMW.This is great comparing an suv to a sports car again,I luv it.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8pIob0_qCo

Haha! This thread is hilarious! Living in Houston I run across so many Porsche guys who think they can drive or have that "better than you" mentality. Rest assured the GCSRT8 will hand the Carrera (non-turbo or GT3) its A$$ in a light to light race (0 - 80ish.) I just hammered one of my friends '02 Trans-Am making 415 rwhp in a 0 - 80 race with him on drag radials. By the way, this SUV is just as fast as my '04 E55 Benz 0 - 60 and that car is fast... Any 335i wanna race 0 - 80 let's go.... Please... That SRT8 in that video was sandbagging or he was just flat scared of going fast or just trying to make his buddy feel like the $$ he spent was worth it. Anyone who is truly familiar with these SUVs knows how quick they are in a light to light race. I don't see stock 335i's running low 13s in the 1/4.

I don't see stock 335i's running low 13s in the 1/4.

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-10490.html

13.251.

Alex

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-10490.html

13.251.

Alex
Although that was on drag radials, I stand corrected. Look at the 60'. Pretty incredible for all of 270 whp. Funny to see that video of the 335i handing that SRT8 its A$$ when it races in cool weather w/ drag radials and runs a similar time & MPH. My E46 M3 made 300 to the wheels and ran a 13.2 @ 108 on stock tires. The new 335i has a lot of potential.

Here's one without DR's.....Quick car.
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-9852.html

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-10490.html

13.251.

Alex

Definitely a caveat. Car & Driver says 13.6, and as we know that magazine always reports the best numbers on the curve.

http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/11733/2007-bmw-335i-coupe.html

That was on drag radials too. Look at the 60'. Pretty incredible for all of 270 whp. Funny to see that video of the 335i handing that SRT8 its A$$ when it races in cool weather w/ drag radials and runs a similar time. My E46 M3 made 300 to the wheels and ran a 13.2 @ 108 on stock tires. The new 335i has a lot of potential.

I didn't catch the drag radials.

Alex

I owned a 2001 m3 when it just came out there was so much hype on this car I had to have it, I ordered one before I test drove it,I couldnt test drive it because there wasnt any yet to test drive, I paid $5000 over book and was one of the top 10 in new york to get one.I was coming out of a Lexus GS 400.When I picked it up I was so happy until I drove it I expected so much more,It was quick put you had to rev it to the moon, no torqe,I was so unhappy with the car, you had to shift every second or it sounded like the engine was going to Blowup very close shifting, revs came up fast due to no torque, and the exhaust sounded like a peice of garbage.Well I got rid of it in 6months and took a beating, I didnt care as long as I got rid of that car,still have the supercharged Denali an the Jeep.The Jeep sounds great, handles great, tons of torque,brakes great,can drive it in any weather and can pounce on 90% of the cars out there.There is no way you can compare that BMW to the Jeep,The Jeep has it Beat hands down!I also forgot to mention that the 01 M3 has a better 0-60 and 1/4 mile time than the 07 335i.The reason why I beat the BMW up so much is because I owned one,peice of garbage.Sorry about the post but I had to vent, everytime I hear BMW anything with 3 series I Cringe.Kevin...

There is no way you can compare that BMW to the Jeep,The Jeep has it Beat hands down!I also forgot to mention that the 01 M3 has a better 0-60 and 1/4 mile time than the 07 335i.The reason why I beat the BMW up so much is because I owned one,peice of garbage.Sorry about the post but I had to vent, everytime I hear BMW anything with 3 series I Cringe. Kevin...

I suppose that's what you get when you overpay for something you never drove.

That engine is as highly tuned a production engine as you can buy this side of Italian exotics. It is not torquey, and anyone who wants gobs of torque needs to look elsewhere. As far as the exhaust note, it's more like a sportbike then a v8, but again it's easily fixed with an aftermarket exhaust, although that runs a few more bucks then for an American catback.

It's a fantastically engineered car, and one that many people here enjoyed as much as their Jeep.

Don't cringe and beat BMW up every time you hear anything about a 3 series. Beat yourself up for making a bad decision to overpay on something you probably bought just because of it's badge and the magazine hype.

Alex

I also forgot to mention that the 01 M3 has a better 0-60 and 1/4 mile time than the 07 335i.

Hmmmm

M3 vs. 335
http://s60.photobucket.com/albums/h4/leo540i/?action=view&current=MOV02409.flv

M3 vs. 335i 20-85mph
http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b346/missymml/?action=view&current=Picture093.flv

I owned a 2001 m3 when it just came out there was so much hype on this car I had to have it, I ordered one before I test drove it,I couldnt test drive it because there wasnt any yet to test drive, I paid $5000 over book and was one of the top 10 in new york to get one.I was coming out of a Lexus GS 400.When I picked it up I was so happy until I drove it I expected so much more,It was quick put you had to rev it to the moon, no torqe,I was so unhappy with the car, you had to shift every second or it sounded like the engine was going to Blowup very close shifting, revs came up fast due to no torque, and the exhaust sounded like a peice of garbage.Well I got rid of it in 6months and took a beating, I didnt care as long as I got rid of that car,still have the supercharged Denali an the Jeep.The Jeep sounds great, handles great, tons of torque,brakes great,can drive it in any weather and can pounce on 90% of the cars out there.There is no way you can compare that BMW to the Jeep,The Jeep has it Beat hands down!

From a value standpoint - SRT8 >M3


I also forgot to mention that the 01 M3 has a better 0-60 and 1/4 mile time than the 07 335i.

Stock vs. Stock --> True.

From a value standpoint - SRT8 >M3

It's apples vs bananas.

Alex

It's apples vs bananas.

Alex


Not from a performance paradigm.

SRT8 = 0-60 4.5 seconds
M3 = 0-60 in 4.7/4.8 seconds

Not from a performance paradigm.

SRT8 = 0-60 4.5 seconds
M3 = 0-60 in 4.7/4.8 seconds

Assuming your performance paradigm is only a straight line. :p

Mine isn't.

Alex

Assuming your performance paradigm is only a straight line. :p

Mine isn't.

Alex


Oh, I forgot, performance and handling are the same thing :rolleyes:

Oh, I forgot, performance and handling are the same thing :rolleyes:

Are you saying that the only measurement of performance is straight-line???

Alex

Jeep SRT8 -
Slalom = 63.9 MPG
Skidpad = .90 G

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=108449/pageId=67450




BMW M3 Competition -
Slalom = 66.6 MPH
Skidpad = .91 G

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0505_2005_bmw_m3_competition/specs_price.html




Seems like the handling is closer than you think. :cool:

Stock vs. Stock --> True.

Really? Because this was a highly modified M3.

E46 M3 SMG
-Intake
-Exhaust (muffler, x pipe)
-4.10 gears
-Pulleys
-Software+Custom dyno tune
308 rwhp (not sure about torque)

http://s60.photobucket.com/albums/h4/leo540i/?action=view&current=MOV02409.flv

This thread has taken so many turns I don't even know what vehicle I would be rooting for.

Seems like the handling is closer than you think. :cool:

Are you saying that on a road course (equal drivers) that the Jeep would stay close to an M3?

Seems like the handling is closer than you think. :cool:

Well, having owned both I can tell you that the handling of the Jeep, while it is impressive, is not anywhere close to feeling like the handling of the M3, regardless of what numbers any of us can pull from different tests conducted by different magazines. There's the little issue of what, 1400 extra pounds?

Anyway, my point is just that you can't make the blanket statement that the Jeep is a better value than the M3, comparing the two just doesn't work when it comes to value.

Now, if you said the Jeep is a better value than the X5, I'd agree with you. :D

Alex

Well, having owned both I can tell you that the handling of the Jeep, while it is impressive, is not anywhere close to feeling like the handling of the M3, regardless of what numbers any of us can pull from different tests conducted by different magazines. There's the little issue of what, 1400 extra pounds?

Anyway, my point is just that you can't make the blanket statement that the Jeep is a better value than the M3, comparing the two just doesn't work when it comes to value.

Now, if you said the Jeep is a better value than the X5, I'd agree with you. :D

Alex

I have owned both and can tell you the Jeep SRT8 > M3.

I have owned both and can tell you the Jeep SRT8 > M3.

and you are certainly entitled to your OPINION.

and you are certainly entitled to your OPINION.

Quantitative data, which indicated near parallel handling, is more valid than skewed qualitative analysis.

Now, if you said the Jeep is a better value than the X5, I'd agree with you. :D

Alex

While I love the Jeep I wouldn't say it's a better "value". While the GCSRT8 and the X5 (4.8is in my case) are both trucks they are VERY different than each other and each has a lot of value in their own way.

Tell me, what is value?

Now, if you said the Jeep is a better value than the X5, I'd agree with you. :D

Alex


Apples vs. Bananas

Quantitative data, which indicated near parallel handling, is more valid than skewed qualitative analysis.

Yeah, I guess all of the posted videos are "skewed".

You can submit all of the "quantitative data" you want, I am telling you that on a road course these vehicles are worlds apart. If you don't belive it you are only fooling yourself. Since I own a GCSRT8 and not an M3 I would love to think it is just as fast on a road course but that is just not reality.

Yeah, I guess all of the posted videos are "skewed".

You can submit all of the "quantitative data" you want, I am telling you that on a road course these vehicles are worlds apart. If you don't belive it you are only fooling yourself. Since I own a GCSRT8 and not an M3 I would love to think it is just as fast on a road course but that is just not reality.

You can supply all the qualitative data you want. Without statistical evidence, your opinions are invalid.

Tell me, what is value?

From my viewpoint....owning the Jeep, basically with intake, exhaust for about $1200, and my 05 M3 with intake, software, and exhaust for about $1450, value is an overall perception of what each vehicle has that "floats my boat". I don't care if it is 42 grand or 62 grand. I don't measure anythings value to me in dollars alone.

According to my G-Tech, M outdoes the Jeep to 60- 80 100 etc., etc. Fun fator/value? Lots of Torque, giant holeshot, huge exhaust and intake noise, hooking up my trailer and going, brutal straightline accleration, it's the BRICK. Fun factor/value? Refined long distance cruising, true seat of the pants inputs through controlled drifts, knowing just when to modulate the throttle before I wind up saying hello to my ass end on a spirited Dragon run, feeling of one with the vehicle at all times, it's the M.

I guess my point is they both have tremendous value to me, be it real or perceived, and in different ways offer up some of the finest times I've had in any vehicle. Some days it's a hard decision as to which one to back out of the garage. Either way, I consider us all as enthusiasts and hope we all utilize em to the max.

Love em both. Would rather have the M on an early weekday morning on the Dragon's tail, but the Jeep can run fairly close behind. However, the value of the Jeep improves drastically in my mind when I am trailering some bikes up to the Dragon. M has no value to me in that scenario.

Been very fortunate with both...lots of miles, no problems, two great dealers. Now that is VALUE to me also. Enjoy

You can supply all the qualitative data you want. Without statistical evidence, your opinions are invalid.

WOW! my opinion is invalid! I always thought I was entitled to my own opinion. But since your opinion is apparently fact I'm wrong no matter what. Plus your obvious wealth of road course experience must make you an expert.

Keep fooling yourself dude. I'll meet you on the track any day.

Keep fooling yourself dude. I'll meet you on the track any day.

Ok, Dude - meet me at the jungle gym any day. Grow up kid; quit catching feelings over the internet - this is just a conversation.

Ok, Dude - meet me at the jungle gym any day. Grow up kid; quit catching feelings over the internet - this is just a conversation.

No feelings involved. You are just an ignorant person.

Mmmm, Porsche Carrera S, taste like chicken.

Ok, Dude - meet me at the jungle gym any day. Grow up kid; quit catching feelings over the internet - this is just a conversation.
Opinions are like A$$holes....I agree, quit catching feelings over the internet, it's just internet banter...

BTW, I own 2 GCSRT8's currently & love them both. One for me and the other for my wife. I have owned countless performance cars over the years and the E46 M3 I had was a very likeable vehicle. It's predictability in the corners was unlike any other vehicle I have owned. It does not handle, or perform for that matter, near as well as my '06 Z06 which is just a brutal vehicle in all categories especially with 525 rwhp:D . My '04 E55 was very fast(modified too:) ) but really just in a straight line. The E55, however, was a very disconnected car from the driver.

The bottom line is we are all here because we like performance vehicles and a little internet "ribbing" is fun.

O.K. here I go.... I think the 335i in those prior photobucket videos is modified & could not outrun that M3 in a stock to stock race...(Flame suit on)

No feelings involved. You are just an ignorant person.

Resorting to personal attacks? Class-act all the way :)

Resorting to personal attacks? Class-act all the way :)

So when you told me my opinions are "invalid" I guess that wasn't a personal attack????

From a value standpoint - SRT8 >M3


It's apples vs bananas.


I prefer apples... bananas are squishy.

I didn't expect the 335 to be faster than the Jeep ...........................