BBills NEW Latest release: A NAG1 TRANS BRAKE! [Archive] - Cherokee SRT8 Forum

: BBills NEW Latest release: A NAG1 TRANS BRAKE!


BuilderBill
07-12-2009, 02:30 PM
Yep….a Patented trans brake for the NAG1:)
*This will NEVER in its current form be sold as a “kit”
The work involved in transforming a NAG1 into a NAG1 with a trans. brake is tremendous.
I basically added an additional valve body into the case. This involves machine work on the case.
I needed to further modify internal clutch packs and drums.
Then tying my valve body into the original valve body. Whew.

The only external clue is a short solenoid on the rear passenger side of the case, installed on the flat webbed portion, midway up the case.

I’m working on a remote mounted trans cooler with a fan.
Screwing around with mine, my temps quickly reached 245F….not good.
Also looking into a Moroso trans overflow tank. I needed to use some overflow passages in the tranny case.
This is NOT something to use for more than a moment when staged.
The torque converter is literally trying to tear apart the fluid with a trans brake.

With my 3,000 stall converter, I find the hardest launch is obtained by the following procedure:
*Pre-stage & stage.
*Brake torque to about 2,000 rpm and hit the button. This builds line pressure to lock the tranny.
*Hold the button and raise the rpm to about 300 below your stall speed. ( I wish I could find a stutter box for our vehicles as that would make the launch simple.)
*On the appropriate light, simultaneously, release the button and floor it. The torque converter will then flash about 100 rpm above the actual stall speed.

My jeep now launches HARD!
Oh...it throws NO codes either.

Again, this will only be available as an upgrade on one of my existing or new High Torque Capacity NAG1’s.
$1,495.00

Blown7
07-12-2009, 03:12 PM
Start building mine.

I formally place my order for one NAG1.

You'll always be my hero Bill.

BuilderBill
07-12-2009, 03:29 PM
Start building mine.

I formally place my order for one NAG1.

You'll always be my hero Bill.

Jeff,
Haven't seen you for a while.
Hope you and your family are doing well.

Yeah, this is some piece of work.
Being in your business, you can see what I went through to get this into a working production piece.:eek:
Bill

lchevere
07-12-2009, 03:58 PM
Nice work Bill!

BuilderBill
07-12-2009, 05:27 PM
Nice work Bill!
Thanks, I appreciate that.:)
Bill

Blown7
07-12-2009, 05:31 PM
Jeff,
Haven't seen you for a while.
Hope you and your family are doing well.

Yeah, this is some piece of work.
Being in your business, you can see what I went through to get this into a working production piece.:eek:
Bill


Been busy Bill, not the SRT but the other Jeep, and working all the time.

Crank
07-12-2009, 05:35 PM
Congrats Bill. Pm me

navyavi469
07-12-2009, 06:46 PM
Bill you just took another SECOND off the ET's we will see next year. I salute you.

Chevy and Ford Beware, the Hemi aftermarket is going to bring the smackdown!!!

Chris Hull@TTC
07-12-2009, 07:00 PM
Nice Bill, I could tell from the little time you have been spending on the forums that you were hard at work getting this off the ground. Great pioneerage, if thats a word I'll have to ask Winston!! lol

Vinnysrt8
07-12-2009, 07:35 PM
good job bill where the video of it in action

Crank
07-13-2009, 12:33 AM
I have a few questions, as I am not familiar on how this works.

1. Want to clarify something, this does not affect its drivablity?

2. On a daily driver it would drive the same and just an added option to
use the brake at the track?

3. Is this something similiar to say the launch button on a GTR?

4. Do we have to upgrade our torque converters?

5. Lasty, can we use this with our stock rear end?

lots of questions, but just want to know how this system works and if I should get it.

sarge
07-13-2009, 01:15 AM
With my 3,000 stall converter, I find the hardest launch is obtained by the following procedure:
*Pre-stage & stage.
*


Bill
You may want to clarify that your torque converter is not some aftermarket converter, that has been "advertised" to be 3,000rpm without knowing 3,000 rpm based on what size engine or torque curve!?:thinkerg:

Dont want all the newbies to rush out and buy some aftermarket unit not understanding how a torque converter is really rated. I guess thats for another thread.


.

BuilderBill
07-13-2009, 05:01 AM
I have a few questions, as I am not familiar on how this works.

1. Want to clarify something, this does not affect its drivablity?

2. On a daily driver it would drive the same and just an added option to
use the brake at the track?

3. Is this something similiar to say the launch button on a GTR?

4. Do we have to upgrade our torque converters?

5. Lasty, can we use this with our stock rear end?

lots of questions, but just want to know how this system works and if I should get it.

1). NO effect on driveability in ANY way.

2) Exactly....on a daily driver, you would only use this typically at the track.

3) I use a simple line lock or trans brake switch. Mine is hidden in wallet compartment left of the steering wheel.

4) Time will tell on stock converters. They will be my next offering as they are being tested now.

5) The driveline will certainly see more stress.
Bill

BuilderBill
07-13-2009, 05:04 AM
Bill
You may want to clarify that your torque converter is not some aftermarket converter, that has been "advertised" to be 3,000rpm without knowing 3,000 rpm based on what size engine or torque curve!?:thinkerg:

Dont want all the newbies to rush out and buy some aftermarket unit not understanding how a torque converter is really rated. I guess thats for another thread.


.

I certainly know what stall speed converter I have as the trans brake is the only real way to measure stall speed.
I think many will be shocked that their "2,800" stall converter does not stall at 2,800 rpm.;)
Bill

navyavi469
07-13-2009, 07:06 AM
I would wait for a few Beta Testers to come out and Bill to make his notorious "next upgrade" or revision to this thing first ;-)

Granted he will install whatever modifications he does as his own cost, but there will be a version 2.0 out shortly.

Blown-WK
07-13-2009, 08:02 AM
AWESOME Bill, talk about bang for the buck. I don't believe any other mod currently available will knock down your ET like a solid performing trans brake. As if our beasts didn't already lauch hard enough....:eek: 1.4 60' will now be the norm:eek::eek::eek:

navyavi469
07-13-2009, 08:07 AM
This will help the turbo applications out more than anything. Superchargers and Nitrous already spin all four corners off the line... having a transbrake won't do much. Turbos that need to spool are a different story.

Now you could theoretically engineer a "launch mode" for a turbocharged application. Maybe a window-switch on the shifter so you could just press a button when that 3rd yellow hit :D

rwboring
07-13-2009, 08:38 AM
^^ yeah being able to pre-boost would help out a TON... that is how Rob is cutting 1.8-1.9's with his 3.0 (spinning all 4)... and that is with a 400wtq truck... :)

navyavi469
07-13-2009, 09:43 AM
Chris smokes his front and rears off the line, and probably still runs a high 1.7's at the most. Jeeps are SO HEAVY that 1.5's and 1.4's are going to be very hard to get without super super sticky tires.

rwboring
07-13-2009, 10:08 AM
the way i see it is, once you get to times that RWD cars are using slicks it is going to be hard for the jeep to keep up (unless you run rwd with slicks), this is the same reason why the TBSS rwd is so track friendly (when you use slicks)... if you cant spin the rear tires then there is no reason to have AWD

the jeep shines on the street because of AWD but when you start throwing rwd cars having traction against it... well its going to be hard to win...

take a stock Z06 with an average driver against a 11.9 jeep we know and it will be close... put slicks on the Z06 and see what happens!

BuilderBill
07-13-2009, 10:55 AM
This will help the turbo applications out more than anything. Superchargers and Nitrous already spin all four corners off the line... having a transbrake won't do much. Turbos that need to spool are a different story.

Now you could theoretically engineer a "launch mode" for a turbocharged application. Maybe a window-switch on the shifter so you could just press a button when that 3rd yellow hit :D

Yeah, actually, the main reason for the tranny brake was that I was NOT going to do that emergency brake thing.:rolleyes:

It will be great to build boost.
Let's see what it does for times from the guys who have PM'd me and ordered one.
Bill

navyavi469
07-13-2009, 12:10 PM
Bill when are you going to get around to installing that $17,000 Henneseey Kit??

BuilderBill
07-13-2009, 12:15 PM
Bill when are you going to get around to installing that $17,000 Henneseey Kit??
As soon as my fuel system is complete.;)
I'm working with Fore Precision on a fuel hat and VERY unique "basket".
I'm not half a$$ing it with some POS fuel system.

Oh, I will make the ENTIRE fuel system available for purchase, COMPLETE from pumps (3) to the SS lines and fittings all the way to the billet rails with integral pressure regulator and gauge.
Bill

oman srt8
07-16-2009, 01:11 PM
Gl Bill And All The Best ..;)

JerseyBoy@Stage6
07-16-2009, 07:32 PM
Anyone running the brake this weekend at LX and Beyond?

J

BuilderBill
07-16-2009, 07:38 PM
Anyone running the brake this weekend at LX and Beyond?

J
I have it in my rig, although I'm not running.
It will be available to try out.;)
Bill

Chris Hull@TTC
07-16-2009, 08:47 PM
I have it in my rig, although I'm not running.
It will be available to try out.;)
Bill

1. Junior666.......

BuilderBill
07-16-2009, 09:50 PM
1. Junior666.......
haaaa,
Could have guessed that.
We will run (30 ft or so) the pooch against the beast.
The tranny break launches hard, it actually shows me I probably need a bit more converter on the pooch.
Oh, as you know I went back to a stock converter.
Yep, I tranny brake stall it to 3,000rpm and then let her loose.
This weekend will tell a lot.;);)
Converter development.
Amazing the converter companies that are now interested in my findings and ready willing and able to work with BBill.
What this means is there will be a ton of development in this area and you guys will be a few tenths quicker....GUARANTEED!:)
Bill

Chris Hull@TTC
07-16-2009, 10:02 PM
haaaa,
Could have guessed that.
We will run (30 ft or so) the pooch against the beast.
The tranny break launches hard, it actually shows me I probably need a bit more converter on the pooch.
Oh, as you know I went back to a stock converter.
Yep, I tranny brake stall it to 3,000rpm and then let her loose.
This weekend will tell a lot.;);)
Converter development.
Amazing the converter companies that are now interested in my findings and ready willing and able to work with BBill.
What this means is there will be a ton of development in this area and you guys will be a few tenths quicker....GUARANTEED!:)
Bill


I want to put my performance gps box in your pooch to compare 60' times too!! Now get some sleep!!

BuilderBill
07-16-2009, 10:38 PM
I want to put my performance gps box in your pooch to compare 60' times too!! Now get some sleep!!
We will compare this weekend.
Yep...time to hit the sack, heading to Ohio in a few hours.:o
Bill

Chris@LPM
07-17-2009, 02:43 AM
Shipped my trans back Tuesday for Bill to install the trans brake and a few other items :D:D

BuilderBill
07-17-2009, 04:31 AM
Shipped my trans back Tuesday for Bill to install the trans brake and a few other items :D:D

Received it!
Bill

JerseyBoy@Stage6
07-17-2009, 06:13 AM
See you all Saturday....

J

Blown-WK
07-22-2009, 08:57 AM
Shipped my trans back Tuesday for Bill to install the trans brake and a few other items :D:D

That is going to be so nasty:eek: Call me when you get it back together. Do you think it will be ready by the time Keoni comes to Daytona?

BuilderBill
07-22-2009, 11:02 AM
That is going to be so nasty:eek: Call me when you get it back together. Do you think it will be ready by the time Keoni comes to Daytona?
When is Keoni going to Daytona?
Bill

Blown-WK
07-22-2009, 01:58 PM
When is Keoni going to Daytona?
Bill

August 31st. Are you sweating yet Bill.........jk:p. From the way you work its probably already done:D. I just hope Chris can get his motor back in by then.

Chris@LPM
07-22-2009, 02:15 PM
No problem, should be up and running by end of this month. BBill is sending me some new goodies to play with. First was the Nag1, then the Transfer case. Now the TCM upgrade, flex plate, updated valve body, Trans brake and new designed TQ-converter.

BuilderBill
07-22-2009, 02:47 PM
No problem, should be up and running by end of this month. BBill is sending me some new goodies to play with. First was the Nag1, then the Transfer case. Now the TCM upgrade, flex plate, updated valve body, Trans brake and new designed TQ-converter.

You will love the new package.
I was trying the tranny brake out today with different launches....WOW!
My little low compression 426 rocks off line!:D:D
Bill

Blown-WK
07-22-2009, 03:03 PM
You will love the new package.
I was trying the tranny brake out today with different launches....WOW!
My little low compression 426 rocks off line!:D:D
Bill

Just wait till you have those dual snails in there:eek:

Harrison@Stage6
07-23-2009, 08:42 AM
No problem, should be up and running by end of this month. BBill is sending me some new goodies to play with. First was the Nag1, then the Transfer case. Now the TCM upgrade, flex plate, updated valve body, Trans brake and new designed TQ-converter.

DAAAYUM!!! The record holder is gonna smash his old record! Let me know when you hit the track Chris. I'll head down to any track to watch you run. And you BETTER call my ass too!!



Bill...... what happend between you and Junior? Who won the 60ft? The BEAST or the POOCH?!?!

Chris@LPM
07-23-2009, 02:27 PM
Will do Harz not to mention golf sometime in late Aug or Sept :roller::roller:

maansy
08-23-2009, 07:09 PM
any updates here?

BuilderBill
08-23-2009, 08:49 PM
any updates here?
I'm pushing out another 4 tranny brake high optioned torque capacity torque capacity trannys this week.
Sorry, I don't understand the question:confused::confused: Updates?
They work and are production released.
I'm currently verifying stall speeds with my new torque converters on my tranny brake equipped tranny.
I am trying to build up stock on the tranny brake equiped NAG1's like all my other components.:)
Bill

rwboring
08-24-2009, 06:33 AM
i think he means any new times or info on it!

BuilderBill
08-24-2009, 06:40 AM
i think he means any new times or info on it!
Ahhh, I understand.
As soon as the guys run and have time slips or video, either they or I will post up.:)
Bill