Made it to the track tonight to make some runs with the new TCM. Boy did the DA suck tonight. It was any where from 8600 to 9000 ft tonight. I hate corrected times but what do you do. Got 5 runs in tonight 3 in drive(auto) and 2 shifting manually. My fastest times were in auto. All shifts in auto were right in the 6400-6500 area. One of my fastest times with the stock TCM at Bandimere last month was 14.007 @ 99.610 mph which corrects to 12.463. Tonight my best time in auto was 13.652 @ 100.770 which corrects to 12.124 @ 112.85 mph. Best time shifting manually was 13.764 @ 100.590 which corrects to 12.254 @ 112.06 mph. So best time to best time corrected I picked up over 3 tenths so I'm petty happy. It worked great at the track for me tonight, but it's also works fantastic for everyday driving. I set my camera up to night to try and video the shift points, and didn't notice I had the wide angle lens in. So you get to see my ugly mug stuffed in a helmet. I just got to get back and find some good air at sea level. I'm number P136.

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You need the SRT liquiddome on the steering wheel . . ahahahaha


otherwise, great video! maybe I'll get in line for one of these TCM upgrades . . . Can a dealership tell they have been flashed?

Nice times Tom. That's killin' it for your 9000-ish DA.

Wow Tom the TCM is looking better and better every time I see a new post. Great times at Bandimere!

You need the SRT liquiddome on the steering wheel . . ahahahaha


otherwise, great video! maybe I'll get in line for one of these TCM upgrades . . . Can a dealership tell they have been flashed?

Eric, I noticed the same.:D No dealer can't tell it's been remapped. Line forms to the right.:D

Nice times Tom. That's killin' it for your 9000-ish DA.

Thanks Mike you've had so some nice runs also. I just need some good air, may try and make the MIR rental. Its a haul but it would be fun.

Wow Tom the TCM is looking better and better every time I see a new post. Great times at Bandimere!

Thanks Jae, you needed that for this weekend. Have over there should be a ball.

Man, the coolest thing to me besides the ET improvement is that it stays in 3rd through the traps:eek: That alone has to be worth a tenth or two.

Chris, that is nice. Always disliked the top end of the track before, seems good now.

Man, the coolest thing to me besides the ET improvement is that it stays in 3rd through the traps:eek: That alone has to be worth a tenth or two.

Tom, sounds really nice on those shift...and welcome to CO racing. lol thinkin we may have to get one of these TCM's stuffed in the Jeep during the rest of the work. Thx for posting the vid...did you notice the temps? ...cant wait to tear down that track in a couple months. ;)

Nice work Tom!

Too bad you couldn't switch out a stock tcm with the flashed one. That way we could have really seen the difference. Especially if it is so easy to swap them out.

I thought about that, but the you have a little relearning time which could mess with your results. I got lucky and had almost the same track conditions last night as did with my last runs with the stock TCM

Tom.


Too bad you couldn't switch out a stock tcm with the flashed one. That way we could have really seen the difference. Especially if it is so easy to swap them out.

Dude did that vet give up or something. You must of took him by a second.

He didn't give up he got had. No he was a real nice guy, he followed me back into the lanes and said the thought it was going to be a good run. He said he was a little surprised that he go walked that hard because he had beat some other Jeeps out here before and on the street. He was the run on the middle ticket he ran 14.934 @ 93.54 corrects to 13.26 @ 104.75. Running in that almost 9000 ft DA just kills you. One other Jeep there last night was running almost the same as the vette 14.95s. I ran a new Challenger SRT8 who ran a 15.42 @ 91.34mph and a Charger SRT that ran a 14.72 @ 94.67mph. Wanted to get paired up with a Velocity Yellow Z06 that was running 13.70's just couldn't make it work. It was a fun night but you can see by the times how big of affect the 9000ft da has on the n/a cars.

Tom.




Dude did that vet give up or something. You must of took him by a second.

Tom, I asked Mike the same thing, are you guys in 3rd thru the traps ?


Also and dont take this the wrong way but your corrections prove why corrections suck, I dont see a Jeep with your mods running 12.12@112 unless this TCM is giving 6-7/10ths. On a 175 shot I only trapped 116 at sea level.

Yes, I do make thru the traps in 3rd which is great. No worries I don't take that wrong on the corrections. Can't wait to make some runs it good air and see what it runs with the new TCM, but for now corrected runs are the only thing I have to make me feel good.:D It's sick when you see Vipers and Z06s running 13.60s and 13.70s and most Jeeps running 14.95 to 15.10s out here when you know what they could run in good air. The main thing is that the TCM is working great. Based on my uncorrected times that were run in almost the same conditions I picked up over 3 tenths which I'll take any day and the fact that it also improves daily driving I love it. I'm also thrilled that I'm able to run 13.65 at almost 9000ft. My Jeep has ran a 12.422 @ 109.97 uncorrected last Nov at Bradenton da was between 300 and 400ft. I think we'll be surprised at what we see our Jeeps run with out the TCM holding us back. So now it looks like it time to get a good Suncoast converter and see what happens next.



Tom, I asked Mike the same thing, are you guys in 3rd thru the traps ?


Also and dont take this the wrong way but your corrections prove why corrections suck, I dont see a Jeep with your mods running 12.12@112 unless this TCM is giving 6-7/10ths. On a 175 shot I only trapped 116 at sea level.

thats your jeep TOM ??

nice vid tom...

It sure is and thanks from over there.

Tom.



thats your jeep TOM ??

nice vid tom...

Tom, I asked Mike the same thing, are you guys in 3rd thru the traps ?


Also and dont take this the wrong way but your corrections prove why corrections suck, I dont see a Jeep with your mods running 12.12@112 unless this TCM is giving 6-7/10ths. On a 175 shot I only trapped 116 at sea level.

Disagree John, you're going to see stock longblock bolt-on N/A Jeeps (with converters, maybe without) running 11s@110+ this fall. Tom was running corrected 12.4-12.5s before the TCM and has consistantly knocked .3+ off his ETs both corrected and uncorrected. Same results as MikeBarn, for a stock longblock N/A Jeep our TCM tuning has proven to be as effective as a quality CMR which we all know is the best bang for the buck mod on the market for a SRT8.

9100' DA is just ridiculous.

Disagree John, you're going to see stock longblock bolt-on N/A (with converters, maybe without) running 11s@110+ this fall. was running corrected 12.4-12.5s before the TCM and has consistantly knocked .3+ off his ETs both corrected and uncorrected. Same results as MikeBarn, for a stock longblock N/A Jeep our TCM tuning has proven to be as effective as a quality CMR which we all know is the best bang for the buck mod on the market for a SRT8.

9100' DA is just ridiculous.

100% agree and thats awesome how great of a mod it is, so im just wondering, how is install done? Can you use the OBDII or what, how would I go about installing my PCM/TCM tune, other than that I gotcha 100% and think these are great. How is this paired with the BB Valvebody, anyone have this combo, hows the shifts feel?

100% agree and thats awesome how great of a mod it is, so im just wondering, how is install done? Can you use the OBDII or what, how would I go about installing my PCM/TCM tune, other than that I gotcha 100% and think these are great. How is this paired with the BB Valvebody, anyone have this combo, hows the shifts feel?

If you have a 06-07 you simply pull down the dashpanel under the steering column and look up, you'll see your TCM clipped next to and around a lot of wiring. Simply pull it down and remove the 2 connectors on top (push in on the tabs and they pop right off), then encase in bubble wrap and ship it out.
Install is just as easy in reverse order and the difference felt is significant and immediate. Remember to increase your PCMs rev limit in drive +600 over 0 to accomodate the TCMs raised shift points otherwise you'll still shortshift.
08-09 I have no idea I haven't had any time with one to look but it's not in the same location, maybe crammed further behind the dash near the nav?

You cannot completely remap a EGS52/53 file via OBDII it's literally impossible, you have to pull the controller out of the car to flash. This is why no one (SCT, Diablo, HPT, etc) can deliver what we can now or in the future.

Jhriss and BuilderBill have used our TCM in conjunction with a valvebody and or trans and should be able to fill you in on how the shifts feel. They work together seemlessly from what our testers have seen.

i cant wait. my TCM is going out first thing monday morning:D

You heard it here first... WK SRT8 is faster than TAFC

Tom, I asked Mike the same thing, are you guys in 3rd thru the traps ?




Ok here's the final word on going through the traps in 3rd vs 4th after extensive track testing with MikeBarn's Jeep. Holding the Jeep in 3rd gear through the traps (stock longblock N/A Jeep with CAI, O/R LTs, stock catback, CDT) actually slowed the Jeep on avg .125 and 1+mph vs allowing the shift into 4th. This also means that even shifting into 4th going through the traps the TCM was worth at least .3 of a second in the quarter.
Now, with that being said, we can set your shift points to be whatever rpm you want within reason (not doing 8k with stock springs LOL). Also if you have a cam/Power Adder then yes, raised shift points will be beneficial. However most of the Jeeps on the road, and most of the Jeeps we tune, will probably want the shift into 4th (if they want max performance).

Ok here's the final word on going through the traps in 3rd vs 4th after extensive track testing with MikeBarn's Jeep. Holding the Jeep in 3rd gear through the traps (stock longblock N/A Jeep with CAI, O/R LTs, stock catback, CDT) actually slowed the Jeep on avg .125 and 1+mph vs allowing the shift into 4th. This also means that even shifting into 4th going through the traps the TCM was worth at least .3 of a second in the quarter.
Now, with that being said, we can set your shift points to be whatever rpm you want within reason (not doing 8k with stock springs LOL). Also if you have a cam/Power Adder then yes, raised shift points will be beneficial. However most of the Jeeps on the road, and most of the Jeeps we tune, will probably want the shift into 4th (if they want max performance).

Andy, That right there means there is no reason to raise the stock shift points on a otherwise stock Jeep, CAM would be the exception. If you loose power in 3rd, your losing it in 2nd and in 1st. Now before you go thinking Im knocking the TCM tune, Im not. Im just thinking the gains are coming from the removal of torque limiters and other stuff you do, again we are speaking about stock cammed jeeps. Have you done any reflashes without raising shift points and if somebody uses autostick with your TCM tune, will it shortshift ? Currently my Jeep will shift at redline wheither in D or Autostick,to be honest currently autostick is worthless on my Jeep.

Andy, That right there means there is no reason to raise the stock shift points on a otherwise stock Jeep, CAM would be the exception. If you loose power in 3rd, your losing it in 2nd and in 1st. Now before you go thinking Im knocking the TCM tune, Im not. Im just thinking the gains are coming from the removal of torque limiters and other stuff you do, again we are speaking about stock cammed jeeps. Have you done any reflashes without raising shift points and if somebody uses autostick with your TCM tune, will it shortshift ? Currently my Jeep will shift at redline wheither in D or Autostick,to be honest currently autostick is worthless on my Jeep.

John,
We raise shift points in auto to whatever rpm you want, in this case (stock longblock N/A) 6400rpm, not a stock shift point especially in the 1-2 ;) We took it to 6600rpm and on avg. lost trap and gained time. On Mike's first trip to the track we left the stock PCM limter in place and Mike ran ~.2 quicker and 1mph faster going to 6400rpm.

Of course the more modifications you have (ie, cam, custom shorty manifold, cent blower, turbo) the more time/trap this mod is going to be worth.

You know as well as I do that it's best to let a conventional auto shift itself, there is really no need for AutoStick post flash, drive is all you'll ever want to use. We do improve manual mode and eliminate as much of the delay as possible but it's still present no question, this is not a SMG/DCT/PDK trans.

As for whether your Jeep will shift itself in Autostick, we won't know until you tell us. Again though, there is no need for Autostick post tune--though it's still vastly improved vs stock.


Leegoober got his redone TCM today and his little boy cam definitely likes the 6500rpm shifts in drive or autostick.

I think the important thing to remember is that no matter what combination you have we can set you up with optimal brainless shifts and amazing part throttle drivability.