As the title says, I currently run a PPP 426 stroker with Stage II heads, ported polished intake, race warrior cam, LT headers, Corsa, yaddah yaddah. So far the 426 has put big smiles on my face everytime I drive it. Can't believe the attention this thing gets. My favorite was a guy heard me coming from behind him and he expected to turn around and see a sports car/muscle car. He was shocked at the sound this thing makes. It's also nice that it has the ballz to run with the big boys. Not a day goes by that I'm not catching a vette or mustang with this sleeper.

So, to up the ante a little, I have placed my order for the PPP/Yella Terra 2.4L Whipple and will be having the boys at Modern Muscle, Oswego, IL do the install. Higher flow injectors will be on order as well as an in-tank fuel pump. ATI 17% OD damper and 2 bar map sensor will be added. I will also run a custom intake to the current Bwoody 3.5' intake on the passenger side. This blower will also be polished for the bling factor. It's gonna be a baddass ride and I can't wait to hopefully join the 10 sec. club. We'll see! I will update this thread as the install progresses with dyno numbers, video footage, track times, review on driveability etc. Thanks Andy at PPP for all the info and John at Modern Muscle for your interest in this build.:D:D:D

Oh, and I forgot to add that I already have a BBill high torque capacity tranny and TC installed in order to run this much power. I love it Bill! I expect 8-10 lbs of boost, running safely on 93 octane fuel. This will hopefully continue to fulfill my requirements as a fast and dependable daily driver.

Here are some performance specs on my rig as it sits today, prior to Whipple install:
PPP/ERL 426 stroker (11:1 compression)
465 WHP 487 WTQ
PPP cam 224/228 574/576 114 LSA
K1 forged crank
Wiseco 4.070 coated pistons
K1 forged rods
Forged pushrods
PPP Ported/Polished intake manifold
Stock 80mm TB
PPP Stage II heads (2.10/1.60 valves, PSI 1511 springs, bronze guides, machined locks, hardened locators, titanium retainers, viton seals)
BWoody 3.5" CAI
SRT-4 stage 0 50lb fuel injectors
MSD Coils
NGK LZTR6AIX-13 (1 step colder plugs)
25% underdrive pulley
Corsa catback
Kooks 1 3/4 LT headers
BBill High TQ capacity transmission and transfer case
Precision Industries 2800 stall converter
CMR tune on 93 octane

The differences between now and post-Whipple install will be:
80 lb. fuel injectors
Walbro twin 255 lph in-tank fuel pumps
Arrington 90mm throttle body
ATI Superdamper 17% overdrive will replace UD pulley
2 Bar MAP Sensor
Thicker Cometic head gasket to drop compression to 10 : 1
Relocate power steering reservoir/pump
And, of course, the Whipple tuner kit which will include high flow fuel rails, heat exchanger in front of the radiator, and intercooler.

Here are some pics of the engine bay as it sits right now, along with current dyno results (I am the blue line), and HP/TQ table. We'll be doing a comparison soon!:D Hoping to break the 600HP mark!:D

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m138/jdoc7/IMG_0016.jpg?t=1238370852
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http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m138/jdoc7/426Dyno.jpg?t=1238370993
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m138/jdoc7/426graph.jpg?t=1238371077

Now just imagine this bad boy sitting atop the engine!

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m138/jdoc7/whippleblower.jpg?t=1239367525

Oh my god i hate u.
u r so lucky could i have some money
when its done please post pict and video.

Oh my god i hate u.
u r so lucky could i have some money
when its done please post pict and video.

I work hard so I can play hard!:D Video and pictures will be posted as the build commences.

This is going to be an amazing jeep. I am extremely jealous:D

Sux that many of have to live vacariously through others on here... GL with the build ... sounds friggin' awesome!

Way cool...CONGRATS! I can't wait to see what it does

Those that work hard deserve to have some fun

Sounds like its going to be a beast! Can't wait to see what it can do!

Thanks all! I am extremely excited about the project. I had contemplated many other forced induction avenues and decided that the Whipple would be the best for my application. I also like the aesthetics of the unit better than others. I like the power to come on low down instead of higher like the Vortech. I also like the fact that it is a bigger displacement unit than the Harrop. I was very close to doing a twin turbo setup but the more I thought about what I would do with the Jeep, I decided against it (remote mounted turbos not ideal in Midwest winters) I also spoke with Navyavi about his single turbo setup and decided against it since I did not want to travel to FL. to have it done. More local shops did not want to do a custom build so I decided against that. I have been following the introduction of the Whipple to the Hemi community for a while and have had spectacular results with a Whipple unit (3.3L) on a previous Ford GT. Whipple is known for quality craftmanship so I don't think I can go wrong. The only concerns are:

#1 how much boost will I be able to get away with with 10.1 : 1 compression? I am currently running 11.0 : 1 compression and will need an 0.080 Cometic head gasket to get me to 10.1 With the higher compression motor I won't be able to run as much boost as other 426's who start with 8-9 : 1 compression.

#2 How much heat is the Whipple going to produce? I will likely be installing an EGT gauge along with boost and A/F

#3 Will I run into tuning issues. Hopefully the guys at Modern Muscle can get it tuned safely and I suppose AJ Hemituner can help out if I run into issues.

#4 Will I be fast enough at the track to warrant a roll-cage? I don't want a cage in my daily driver.

#3 Lastly, knowing myself, if and when Yella Terra releases a 2.9L unit, I'm probably going to sell the 2.4L and put the 2.9L in I would have done the 2.9L from the start but they won't release it until the 2.4L is well established here in America. Oh well, a step at a time! Later!

awesome deal mayn...hopefully it will be enough. ;)


...p.s. a roll cage will be a must!

I hate you too bro but I am happy for you as well. Please dont forget to post pictures and videos of your beast in action. Be safe!

I hate you too bro but I am happy for you as well. Please dont forget to post pictures and videos of your beast in action. Be safe!

If anyone is ever in the Peoria, IL area, shoot me a PM and I will let you drive the beast when it's finished!:) I will be posting 'BEFORE' pictures tomorrow with a video of my current setup and camshaft. I will also post my previous dyno numbers so we can do a comparison 'AFTER' it's all done. I'm really itching to get out to a track to lay down some numbers for you guys before the Whipple install but it isn't going to happen. Oh well! Currently I have 465 RWHP and 486 RWTQ I am looking to be at 600+

Oh BTW, after the Whipple is installed, I will have my PPP ported and polished intake manifold and 3.5" silver CAI for sale so if anyone is interested, first come first served.

There are tons of pics of his manifold on our website in the intake manifold gallery.

Jeff, I am extremely excited about this project and can not wait to see it complete. Anyone have any estimates on 1/4 times assuming 600rwhp?

Im going with 11.3@120.

allthe best man ;)

Looking forward to the videos.

The boost vs compression debate has been going on forever. From what I have gathered you are better running more compression with less boost then low compression with big boost. Reason being, you will have more power at partial throttle and daily driving without the boost being needed. Generally speaking you will have the same power with high compression/low boost as you will with low compression/high boost. For a daily driven jeep I think the fun factor would be higher with more compression.

Thats a sick set-up for sure.........You'll be in the 10's allllll dayyy longggg

Congrats

Thats a sick set-up for sure.........You'll be in the 10's allllll dayyy longggg

Congrats

Man, I hope so!!!! You will all be seeing actual slips of my runs so no BS here!:D

Thats a sick set-up for sure.........You'll be in the 10's allllll dayyy longggg

Congrats

Oh BTW, you have a sic azz ride yourself!!!! I'd love to line up with you in the future!:p

doc is the intake setup for 90mm tb?

doc is the intake setup for 90mm tb?

The way I have envisioned my CAI is to use the stock throttle body ported to 85mm, and continue with 3.5" tubing to the air filter which will still reside down behind the front passenger bumper. Anyone who wants the Whipple can certainly use a 90mm TB with 4" tubing but I'm not sure it's necessary. I'm sure we'll be learning a lot about the JEEP as the build progresses. The CAI will be simple to fabricate. My requirement is that it perform it's job and look good at the same time.

Sounds like an awesome build. If you don't get into the 10's. I don't know what will.

Sub 11.49 you are at least going to need a rollbar if you plan on going to the track a lot. You will be able to run 10s a few times with no problem until the officials catch on and ask you to leave:D

You need to find a way on how not to make all 4 tires spin like hill :p

Good Luck, this is the real business

Wow, lucky you!

Congratulations.

That should be sweet.....


If anyone is ever in the Peoria, IL area, shoot me a PM and I will let you drive the beast when it's finished!:)


Does Bloomington count :D ??

I'm there a few times a year, LOL.

That should be sweet.....





Does Bloomington count :D ??

I'm there a few times a year, LOL.

Absolutely!!! Stop by anytime for a looksy!

What a GREAT build!
Thanks again for choosing me to be part of your project.:)
Keep us informed....
Bill

There are tons of pics of his manifold on our website in the intake manifold gallery.

Jeff, I am extremely excited about this project and can not wait to see it complete. Anyone have any estimates on 1/4 times assuming 600rwhp?

Im going with 11.3@120.

That should be a can of corn Andy!!

Man, I hope so!!!! You will all be seeing actual slips of my runs so no BS here!:D

Let me make you an offer, I'll take your whipple and put it on my Jeep and perfect it and then give it back!!
Do we have a deal? lololol

Gongrats man, I am jealous but still getting my feet wet with my new stroker!!

Let me make you an offer, I'll take your whipple and put it on my Jeep and perfect it and then give it back!!
Do we have a deal? lololol

Gongrats man, I am jealous but still getting my feet wet with my new stroker!!


Ha Ha...but you've already had one in your JEEP! Good luck with your stroker, your gonna love it!

Ha Ha...but you've already had one in your JEEP! Good luck with your stroker, your gonna love it!

Yeah for about a half an hour!! All the best...
Chris Hull

Thanks all! I am extremely excited about the project. I had contemplated many other forced induction avenues and decided that the Whipple would be the best for my application. I also like the aesthetics of the unit better than others. I like the power to come on low down instead of higher like the Vortech. I also like the fact that it is a bigger displacement unit than the Harrop. I was very close to doing a twin turbo setup but the more I thought about what I would do with the Jeep, I decided against it (remote mounted turbos not ideal in Midwest winters) I also spoke with Navyavi about his single turbo setup and decided against it since I did not want to travel to FL. to have it done. More local shops did not want to do a custom build so I decided against that. I have been following the introduction of the Whipple to the Hemi community for a while and have had spectacular results with a Whipple unit (3.3L) on a previous Ford GT. Whipple is known for quality craftmanship so I don't think I can go wrong. The only concerns are:

#1 how much boost will I be able to get away with with 10.1 : 1 compression? I am currently running 11.0 : 1 compression and will need an 0.080 Cometic head gasket to get me to 10.1 With the higher compression motor I won't be able to run as much boost as other 426's who start with 8-9 : 1 compression.

#2 How much heat is the Whipple going to produce? I will likely be installing an EGT gauge along with boost and A/F

#3 Will I run into tuning issues. Hopefully the guys at Modern Muscle can get it tuned safely and I suppose AJ Hemituner can help out if I run into issues.

#4 Will I be fast enough at the track to warrant a roll-cage? I don't want a cage in my daily driver.

#5 Lastly, knowing myself, if and when Yella Terra releases a 2.9L unit, I'm probably going to sell the 2.4L and put the 2.9L in I would have done the 2.9L from the start but they won't release it until the 2.4L is well established here in America. Oh well, a step at a time! Later!

Congrates and welcome to the YT/Whiple family. Mate you will love it as its an awesome unit and sounds better than anything I have heard. Definitely keep us posted.

My opinion to your questions in order asked

1. Obviously you are forged so I would say if you can get comp down to 10.1-1 you could run 10psi pretty comfortably

2. Depends on the boost you run but at the above temps you have nothing to worry about. You wouldn't bee working the blower very hard at the boost/rpm anyway so you will have a little left on the table. From the reults I have seen forst hand on the 2.4L temp was never an issue at all.

3. If your guys know what they are doing you won't have tuning issues. The guys at HP/F have doen all teh tuning on the Australian systems and no issues at all.

4. I hope so :)

5. Its coming I assure you :)

Best of luck mate.

Looking forward to the videos.

The boost vs compression debate has been going on forever. From what I have gathered you are better running more compression with less boost then low compression with big boost. Reason being, you will have more power at partial throttle and daily driving without the boost being needed. Generally speaking you will have the same power with high compression/low boost as you will with low compression/high boost. For a daily driven jeep I think the fun factor would be higher with more compression.

Can't beat the fun I am having I assure you hehehehe. Still a HUUUGE smile on my face!

Congrates and welcome to the YT/Whiple family. Mate you will love it as its an awesome unit and sounds better than anything I have heard. Definitely keep us posted.

My opinion to your questions in order asked

1. Obviously you are forged so I would say if you can get comp down to 10.1-1 you could run 10psi pretty comfortably

2. Depends on the boost you run but at the above temps you have nothing to worry about. You wouldn't bee working the blower very hard at the boost/rpm anyway so you will have a little left on the table. From the reults I have seen forst hand on the 2.4L temp was never an issue at all.

3. If your guys know what they are doing you won't have tuning issues. The guys at HP/F have doen all teh tuning on the Australian systems and no issues at all.

4. I hope so :)

5. Its coming I assure you :)

Best of luck mate.



Can't beat the fun I am having I assure you hehehehe. Still a HUUUGE smile on my face!

Hey bud, thanks for your input! First let me just say that your 300C is AMAZING! That 3.4L blower you have is just downright SIC! You must be having the time of your life driving that beast! I had contemplated doing the same setup with a cowl hood, so as not to cut a hole in my original hood but decided against it. I didn't want to have to use a MOTEC. But DAYUM, your setup is amazing! Secondly, Andy tells me that you are involved in the shipping of the blowers to America? Please take care of my baby:D:D:D Take care!

Hey bud, thanks for your input! First let me just say that your 300C is AMAZING! That 3.4L blower you have is just downright SIC! You must be having the time of your life driving that beast! I had contemplated doing the same setup with a cowl hood, so as not to cut a hole in my original hood but decided against it. I didn't want to have to use a MOTEC. But DAYUM, your setup is amazing! Secondly, Andy tells me that you are involved in the shipping of the blowers to America? Please take care of my baby:D:D:D Take care!

Any time my friend. Thansk for the kind words about mine too. Yes I absolutely love it and have done almost 1500km on it since getting it back a few weeks back. I am having a ball with it and can't wipe the grin from my face LOL!

Whilst the MOTEC is awesome for my setup and is required especially for what is coming up next (up the boost etc - more spark and fuel blah blah blah - which unfortunately Diablo CMR tune would be maxed out), the MOTEC system I have would work extremely well on yours too. You can control everything right down to the throttle body (and accelerator pedal). Its just awesome. Not cheap but well worth it IMO!

As for the shipping, yes I promise to take care of it for you as if it was my very own. :)

As for the shipping, yes I promise to take care of it for you as if it was my very own. :)

Thanks man! I was told it would ship next week 3/31 or 4/1. It's also coming by air so it should be in my hands 4-7 days later. CAN'T WAIT!:D If all goes as planned, my rig should be up and prowling the streets by the end of April.

Whipple's FTW!

haha! bro if i drive your jeep after you put 600 hp and then i go back to my jeep, man I think i will leave it on the side of some road lol. Thanks for the invite though. I cant wait for you to finish the whole thing. Congratulations again.

Here it is installed on a 5.7 Challenger with 6.5 psi.

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Man, you were stoked last night when you called Andy! Thanks for the feedback on the blower. Now the hard part for me.....WAITING!:D It's gonna be a bad mofo!:eek:

Updated original post with 'BEFORE' pics of engine bay, current dyno graph, and HP/TQ table.

Hey we should do a couple runs.....b4 and after... :)

Hey we should do a couple runs.....b4 and after... :)

I agree, would be nice to compare 1/4 ET's but I won't have the chance to take it to the track before I get the blower. Maybe I can borrow someones Dashawk and do some street runs and at least we can compare relative times?

We just hit 0-60 in 4.2 seconds with 6psi on a 5.7 Challenger on street tires rolling into the throttle to not spin the tires.
http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo199/justin11sr03/photo-38.jpg

WOOHOO, Whipple should be here Thursday morning! I'll be taking it to Modern Muscle that afternoon! Can't wait!!!! I'm pumped!!!:D:D:D
Thanks Daniel (jected) for getting me the tracking number! Only thing left is the head gasket, better be here by Thursday Andy!!!;)

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Can't wait to see how it performs man!!

just curious, how much was the bbill tcase and tranny?

DAMN....2 day shipping from Australia. That must have cost a small fortune:D

DAMN....2 day shipping from Australia. That must have cost a small fortune:D

$311 to be exact:D

$311 to be exact:D

not bad,


i want a whipple so bad just dont have the money for it know.

Jected is the man when it comes to shipping. He handles all of our Whipple shipments and has done an awesome job with awesome rates.

Jeff, Dont worry about the gaskets, they will be there along with a box of depends.

Jected is the man when it comes to shipping. He handles all of our Whipple shipments and has done an awesome job with awesome rates.

Jeff, Dont worry about the gaskets, they will be there along with a box of depends.

ROFLMAO!:D

HELL YEAH!!! IT'S HERE! My neighbor just called to let me know the blower arrived at my front door. I'll take some quick pics of the blower for you all and then I'm off to Modern Muscle this afternoon. I'M PUMPED FELLAS!!!:D:D

HELL YEAH!!! IT'S HERE! My neighbor just called to let me know the blower arrived at my front door. I'll take some quick pics of the blower for you all and then I'm off to Modern Muscle this afternoon. I'M PUMPED FELLAS!!!:D:D

Pics or ban:p

Here she is in all her polished splendor!:D I'm off to Modern Muscle! I'll be posting results hopefully in a week or two.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m138/jdoc7/IMG_0128.jpg?t=1239902909

i see the intake is on the right side. Do you have to relocate the battery?

wow that looks awesome.

looks good i want it so bad......

Looks good. Staying tuned.

Roots blowers were due in late 2007; its mid 2009 and I have yet to see a Harrop, Whipple, Kenne Belle, Techo, Eaton, or Icharger run anything more than 5 pounds.

Looks good. Staying tuned.

Roots blowers were due in late 2007; its mid 2009 and I have yet to see a Harrop, Whipple, Kenne Belle, Techo, Eaton, or Icharger run anything more than 5 pounds.

This one should be around 10psi. I dont think we will get much more out of it than that.

Looks good. Staying tuned.

Roots blowers were due in late 2007; its mid 2009 and I have yet to see a Harrop, Whipple, Kenne Belle, Techo, Eaton, or Icharger run anything more than 5 pounds.

I have a feeling dynosteve's challenger is running a tad more than 5psi to make 897whp:eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMxqVAfynA0

I have a feeling dynosteve's challenger is running a tad more than 5psi to make 897whp:eek:



There are plenty of cars running more than 5psi, I think he was referring to Jeeps. One of our customers has a 3.4L whipple on his car running 15psi and they are now tuning it for 22psi.

There isnt a single 2.3-2.4L blower out there that is going to make 897rwhp without the use of nitrous. You can even hear the guy filming talking about it coming on.

There are plenty of cars running more than 5psi, I think he was referring to Jeeps. One of our customers has a 3.4L whipple on his car running 15psi and they are now tuning it for 22psi.

There isnt a single 2.3-2.4L blower out there that is going to make 897rwhp without the use of nitrous. You can even hear the guy filming talking about it coming on.

Hmm I dont know the dynamics behind what blowers are capable of but I am assuming you are saying nitrous had to be used to make 897rwhp with that harrop?

Btw, I am familiar with jected's build and it is very impressive.

Hmm I dont know the dynamics behind what blowers are capable of but I am assuming you are saying nitrous had to be used to make 897rwhp with that harrop?

Btw, I am familiar with jected's build and it is very impressive.


Our customer with an Arrington 426 never could make over 630rwhp with the Harrop blower and when I spoke with Eaton Engineers at Sema, I was told that the most the 2.3L TVS or HTV would make is roughly 750hp at the crank or 1300cfm. I dont know that he used n2o and I shouldnt have said that. I apoligize to Steve for assuming.

i see the intake is on the right side. Do you have to relocate the battery?

No, but we may re-locate the power steering fluid reservoir to make way for the CAI. We'll see what John at MM can fab up. I also decided not to polish the inlet and so all intake tubing will be black crinkle finish like the inlet is now. On a side note, they had a Charger in there on the dyno with a Techo blower. It was a very nice piece, really looked the part.....but.....that's where the praise ended, nuff' said.:eek:

Hmm I dont know the dynamics behind what blowers are capable of but I am assuming you are saying nitrous had to be used to make 897rwhp with that harrop?

Btw, I am familiar with jected's build and it is very impressive.

Thanks mate. I like it too.... :) Should have the new results in this week if the final stages are completed if not next week for sure. Suspension and bushes also being installed and the rest of it being set up for the track. My aim is 2 weeks to be at the track.

Was also given a heads up here and asked to comment. All I will say is that the reason I went with the Whipple 3.4L over the Harrop blower I did have was due to the power levels I was wanting to achieve. There was no way I could achieve what I wanted with what I did have or close to the power levels (especially safely) that I am putting down now. Just not possible as the big cube motor needs more air to feed it. In fact at higher boost that we are heading for that will also be the upper limits of this blower.

It would have been nice to be able to achieve the levels I have with the Harrop blower as it would have saved me spending MORE $$$$$. But there is no way (nothing against the kit its an awesome kit and I still think so) that I would of and unfortunately HP = $$$$$

No, but we may re-locate the power steering fluid reservoir to make way for the CAI. We'll see what John at MM can fab up. I also decided not to polish the inlet and so all intake tubing will be black crinkle finish like the inlet is now. On a side note, they had a Charger in there on the dyno with a Techo blower. It was a very nice piece, really looked the part.....but.....that's where the praise ended, nuff' said.:eek:

LOL! Just get the bloody thing going mate..... Glad your happy with it so far and no issus with delivery. Congrates mate and keep us posted.

Was also given a heads up here and asked to comment. All I will say is that the reason I went with the Whipple 3.4L over the Harrop blower I did have was due to the power levels I was wanting to achieve. There was no way I could achieve what I wanted with what I did have or close to the power levels (especially safely) that I am putting down now. Just not possible as the big cube motor needs more air to feed it. In fact at higher boost that we are heading for that will also be the upper limits of this blower.


Does the whipple 3.4 fit on any of the available intake manifolds? And I agree, a 2.3 is far too small for this big of a motor.

Does the whipple 3.4 fit on any of the available intake manifolds? And I agree, a 2.3 is far too small for this big of a motor.

I have used the skelton of the original blower manifold I had and they fabricated around that (see pic). With the addition of a new sandwhich plate it seems to have worked well.

ORIGINAL MANIFOLD
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/jected/Engine%20Rebuild/v8srt8-0120A.jpg

MODIFIED MANIFOLD
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The 2.3 I wouldn't say is too small as some decenty power has been shown with it on some 426 builds but you won't see much more than around 630-650rwhp @ around 10-12 psi (you won't see any more boost after that and on the stock pulley system it would only slip if overdriven). As I mentioned though with the numbers I want on the dyno and track the 2.3L RDP-Bullet PD kit I had would not be enough.

I should still have the figures somewhere here showing peak power/boost vs rpm and pulley size comparison for the 2.3L vs the 3.4L I have. I will try and find and post up.

The 2.4L I agree is going to max out at around 630-650rwhp. The soon to be released 2.9L will be the way to go for the stroker guys if they want more than 650rwhp.

The 2.4L I agree is going to max out at around 630-650rwhp. The soon to be released 2.9L will be the way to go for the stroker guys if they want more than 650rwhp.

Fortunately, I only need 600rwhp, that is my goal with my daily driver. I know lot's of people are gunning for much more which is cool, more power to them!:D BTW Andy, do you know if John received the head gaskets yet?

Fortunately, I only need 600rwhp, that is my goal with my daily driver. I know lot's of people are gunning for much more which is cool, more power to them!:D BTW Andy, do you know if John received the head gaskets yet?

How much boost do you plan to run Jeff? 600rw should be a walk in the park for the whipple at maybe 8psi.

How much boost do you plan to run Jeff? 600rw should be a walk in the park for the whipple at maybe 8psi.

I actually told the guys at Modern Muscle that I'd like to run as much boost as safely possible for a daily driver with a safety cushion for hot days, bad gas, etc. If I can get 10 lbs on pump gas, I'd be very happy. But it may be 6 or 8. We'll see. The more the better, but not at the expense of safety. I cannot afford to be at the upper limits of horsepower. They will be able to play around with different snout pulleys.

Our customer with an Arrington 426 never could make over 630rwhp with the Harrop blower and when I spoke with Eaton Engineers at Sema, I was told that the most the 2.3L TVS or HTV would make is roughly 750hp at the crank or 1300cfm. I dont know that he used n2o and I shouldnt have said that. I apoligize to Steve for assuming.

Funny, Lingenfelter put together a 402 for the guys at Eaton that put out 750 crank HP on pump gas with a 1900TVS. I'm sure the 2300TVS can do a little better. Maybe not 900rwhp but defiently better then 750 crank. Hell, I know of an LS7 with a 2300TVS making 780 crank hp on pump gas as we speak. More to be had with good fuel and a more aggressive tune. Just because one person couldn't make power with a blower doesn't mean it's the hardware's fault. I'm sure you've had customers make poor power numbers with your NA stuff too. The calibration makes a big difference.

J

Funny, Lingenfelter put together a 402 for the guys at Eaton that put out 750 crank HP on pump gas with a 1900TVS. I'm sure the 2300TVS can do a little better. Maybe not 900rwhp but defiently better then 750 crank. Hell, I know of an LS7 with a 2300TVS making 780 crank hp on pump gas as we speak. More to be had with good fuel and a more aggressive tune. Just because one person couldn't make power with a blower doesn't mean it's the hardware's fault. I'm sure you've had customers make poor power numbers with your NA stuff too. The calibration makes a big difference.

J

With driveline loss the numbers you mention are about spot on with the rear wheel hp shown on the number of builds with the HTV2300 (630-650rwhp would be around the 750-800 crank hp).

The problem is the bigger cube motors need more bigger volumes of air. The HTV2300 isn't a bad unit its just that it tops out with what it can deliver. Speaking from experience and testing (based on my build) the HTV2300 could not deliver what I wanted so the larger unit was sourced.

With driveline loss the numbers you mention are about spot on with the rear wheel hp shown on the number of builds with the HTV2300 (630-650rwhp would be around the 750-800 crank hp).

The problem is the bigger cube motors need more bigger volumes of air. The HTV2300 isn't a bad unit its just that it tops out with what it can deliver. Speaking from experience and testing (based on my build) the HTV2300 could not deliver what I wanted so the larger unit was sourced.


I agree completely with you. Eventually you will run out of blower. Just funny to hear Eaton say the 2300 can't make more the 750 crank when they contracted somebody to build an engine for them that made 750 crank with a smaller blower. The 1900 was about maxed out in airflow but the engine was low compression (8:1) and the cam was a poor choice (Customer supplied cam and they didn't want to change). Probably could have gotten more out with race gas but not much without hardware changes. There are guys making 550-600rwhp with the older Eaton blowers that are not in the same league as the TVS series. As you know, the total combo is key to the performance level you want to achieve.

I think alot of people under estimate just how much power 600whp really is. In todays world where more and more cars are regularly making 800-1000rwhp, it's easy to get caught up in the numbers game. Any of the currently avaialble blowers on the market will cover about 90% of the people out there. But there are the select few, like yourself, who strive to push the limits and that is when you have to step up to the bigger, more custom stuff like you did.

I've dealt with alot of OE engineers and you would be surprised what they say we can't do :-)

J

P.s. Can't wait to see the numbers you run when you finally get that beast of yours to the track...

I agree completely with you. Eventually you will run out of blower. Just funny to hear Eaton say the 2300 can't make more the 750 crank when they contracted somebody to build an engine for them that made 750 crank with a smaller blower. The 1900 was about maxed out in airflow but the engine was low compression (8:1) and the cam was a poor choice (Customer supplied cam and they didn't want to change). Probably could have gotten more out with race gas but not much without hardware changes. There are guys making 550-600rwhp with the older Eaton blowers that are not in the same league as the TVS series. As you know, the total combo is key to the performance level you want to achieve.

I think alot of people under estimate just how much power 600whp really is. In todays world where more and more cars are regularly making 800-1000rwhp, it's easy to get caught up in the numbers game. Any of the currently avaialble blowers on the market will cover about 90% of the people out there. But there are the select few, like yourself, who strive to push the limits and that is when you have to step up to the bigger, more custom stuff like you did.

I've dealt with alot of OE engineers and you would be surprised what they say we can't do :-)

J

P.s. Can't wait to see the numbers you run when you finally get that beast of yours to the track...

Exactly right and setup has a lot to do with it as well. You also need to consider that higher boost generates more heat and with these kits there isn't a lot of room for an intercooler under the blower if you are wanting to keep it under the bonnet.

As for this comment you made - I think alot of people under estimate just how much power 600whp really is. In todays world where more and more cars are regularly making 800-1000rwhp, it's easy to get caught up in the numbers game. Any of the currently avaialble blowers on the market will cover about 90% of the people out there.

:clap: Mate you would be one of the only people I have ever heard say this out loud and you are absolutely spot on. A genuine 600-650 rwhp which has been shown on a few cars is a huge amount of hp. Go more than that and it starts to get a lot harder and is not as easy as saying I want XXX amount of power.

Mine should also be ready to hit the track. Just finishing off all the suspension and bushes and waiting on wheels and tyres to come in. Hanging to get to the track like you wouldn't believe.

I think alot of people under estimate just how much power 600whp really is. In todays world where more and more cars are regularly making 800-1000rwhp, it's easy to get caught up in the numbers game. Any of the currently avaialble blowers on the market will cover about 90% of the people out there.

I totally agree with this statement as well. There will be many more guys that will make more peak horsepower/torque than I will with my setup. Not to mention that I am not setup to run max boost (compression 10.1:1) If I can hit 600rwhp, I will be happy with that. If the setup can get me from point A to point B, consistently, without issues, I will be even more happy with that. It's definitely not a 'numbers game' for me.:)

Just an update. Multiple small little things have occurred since dropping my Jeep off for the Whipple install, that have set us back a few weeks. First, I had some valve issues that warranted replacement of the pair. Andy went ahead and sent out a full set and had them all changed out. Second, we needed longer pushrods due to the thicker head gasket so those are being sent for. Third, the head gasket travelled around much longer than it should have so it did not get to MM until just last week when heads were re-installed. Fourth, the inlet elbow was/is bent somehow, BAD. You can see the bend where the TB attaches in the third picture. Packaging? dropped? Hit? I don't know but a new one is on order, Thanks Andy. Hope to have the rig up on the dyno next week. Blower is on, I'll post pics later. With the results the Challenger R/T had, I am very optimistic with the power this thing is gonna add to my 426. Hopefully the pulleys will be here soon for John to play with boost levels. Course, we haven't even got to an airbox/cai yet so where it ends up routing still remains to be seen. BTW, the polishing job on the Whipple isn't great. Definitely could be better, not complaining since my last polished Whipple was just the same. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

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Just an update. Multiple small little things have occurred since dropping my Jeep off for the Whipple install, that have set us back a few weeks. First, I had some valve issues that warranted replacement of the pair. Andy went ahead and sent out a full set and had them all changed out. Second, we needed longer pushrods due to the thicker head gasket so those are being sent for. Third, the head gasket travelled around much longer than it should have so it did not get to MM until just last week when heads were re-installed. Fourth, the inlet elbow was/is bent somehow, BAD. Packaging? dropped? Hit? I don't know but a new one is on order, Thanks Andy. Hope to have the rig up on the dyno next week. Blower is on, I'll post pics later. With the results the Challenger R/T had, I am very optimistic with the power this thing is gonna add to my 426. Hopefully the pulleys will be here soon for John to play with boost levels. Course, we haven't even got to an airbox/cai yet so where it ends up routing still remains to be seen. BTW, the polishing job on the Whipple isn't great. Definitely could be better, not complaining since my last polished Whipple was just the same. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
where are you at in IL? id love to throw together a video of your jeep when its done, i have my new set up now :D
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I'm in Peoria IL. but the rig is at Modern Muscle, Oswego IL. Maybe we can set something up when it's up and running.

I'm in Peoria IL. but the rig is at Modern Muscle, Oswego IL. Maybe we can set something up when it's up and running.

Alright Just let me know Im not far from Modern Muscle, btw your jeep is going to be sickkkkkk;)

I also like the aesthetics of the unit better than others. I like the power to come on low down instead of higher like the Vortech. I was very close to doing a twin turbo setup but the more I thought about what I would do with the Jeep, I decided against it (remote mounted turbos not ideal in Midwest winters) I also spoke with Navyavi about his single turbo setup and decided against it since I did not want to travel to FL. to have it done. More local shops did not want to do a custom build so I decided against that. I have been following the introduction of the Whipple to the Hemi community for a while and have had spectacular results with a Whipple unit (3.3L) on a previous Ford GT. Whipple is known for quality craftmanship so I don't think I can go wrong. The only concerns are:

#1 how much boost will I be able to get away with with 10.1 : 1 compression? I am currently running 11.0 : 1 compression and will need an 0.080 Cometic head gasket to get me to 10.1 With the higher compression motor I won't be able to run as much boost as other 426's who start with 8-9 : 1 compression.

#2 How much heat is the Whipple going to produce? I will likely be installing an EGT gauge along with boost and A/F

#3 Will I run into tuning issues. Hopefully the guys at Modern Muscle can get it tuned safely and I suppose AJ Hemituner can help out if I run into issues.

#4 Will I be fast enough at the track to warrant a roll-cage? I don't want a cage in my daily driver.

#3 Lastly, knowing myself, if and when Yella Terra releases a 2.9L unit, I'm probably going to sell the 2.4L and put the 2.9L in I would have done the 2.9L from the start but they won't release it until the 2.4L is well established here in America. Oh well, a step at a time! Later!

I have to agree with all your assesments including cost and the fact of the daily driver aspect. Unless your going to keep this vehicle the rest of your life, good luck trying to ever sell it.

Compression- I think you need some. The low compression version is like a bad haircut.

A roll cage in your daily driver?? At what point is the vehicle no longer truly usable and comfortable??

Stay with tuners with good reputations. You cant go wrong.

I think a N/A or performance proven F/I system is the only way to go.

I like the Whipple, it has been around a long time in both automotive and marine. I am holding out for Magnuson. In the meantime (especially after this weekend) nothing wrong with having a documented mid 11.s Jeep you can drive to work, go to dinner or throw the big screen in the back!

Nice project, keep us posted!!




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I like the Whipple, it has been around a long time in both automotive and marine. I am holding out for Magnuson. In the meantime (especially after this weekend) nothing wrong with having a documented mid 11.s Jeep you can drive to work, go to dinner or throw the big screen in the back!


Absolutely..... nothing wrong with quick N/A strokers! There's something addictive about that 'HIT' a blower gives you though, that the stroker can't. I really hope my Jeep stays as docile as I want it to be for a daily driver. No reason why it can't if the tune is dialed in just right. Magnusson's are nice units. Really like how the inlet is front mounted like the Techo. And the polishing job of their cases is second to none! I really wonder why Whipple polished cases are so poorly done? They really look like they have'nt been finished. After I get it back, I'll see what I can do over a few weekends with my dremel.:D

Hey Im south of ou guys. 15mins north of St. Louis. Scott AFB.

Any updates Jeff? I wanna see some pics or something man...ur slackin:D

Any updates Jeff? I wanna see some pics or something man...ur slackin

There are some in post #76

There are some in post #76

Ah I missed that. Don't you just hate waiting on parts? Always drags everything out:o

Ah I missed that. Don't you just hate waiting on parts? Always drags everything out:o

IT SUCKS! But....when you're the first to do something, you gotta expect and accept the bruises along the way. I am confident that I have the right people on board to make this a truly great build!:D

IT SUCKS! But....when you're the first to do something, you gotta expect and accept the bruises along the way. I am confident that I have the right people on board to make this a truly great build!:D

Yep can't rush quality.

Yep can't rush quality.

Amen brotha! :rocker:

A part was damaged that was just recently noticed and unfortunately the replacement has to come from Australia.

Updates.......

Updates.......

Still waiting for replacement for damaged inlet. Once it get's here, it will need to be painted prior to installing so that will take a few more days. Just about everything else is in place except for the CAI which will need to be made and OK'd by me before painting. Best case scenario, it's all done and up on the dyno by late next week. I'm not holding my breath!:rolleyes: It's not really anyones fault, just circumstance. I never expected it would take this long.

Hey Jeff.

PM Sent please let me know ASAP/URGENTLY.

Hey Jeff.

PM Sent please let me know ASAP/URGENTLY.

PM answered and I thank you for all your help! You have been most gracious! If you're ever over in my neck of the woods, I owe you a couple beers!:cheers:

On its way mate. As for those couple of beers, you got a deal :).

On its way mate. As for those couple of beers, you got a deal :).

Thanks Daniel! You really have gone above and beyond!:clap:

Daniel is the man when it comes to shipping.

Its been a Week... :)

that is fricken awesome :rocker:

Its been a Week... :)

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....and still waiting....:ugh:

Is the pipe in?

Is the pipe in?

Pipe's at the shop, don't know if it's on. I'm not asking anymore.

Pipe's at the shop, don't know if it's on. I'm not asking anymore.

I hear ya bro! You don't want to annoy the shop working on your Beast.

Pipe's at the shop, don't know if it's on. I'm not asking anymore.

I've mentioned before a concept that is known as "supercharger time", in which all deadlines, processes and critical path work items associated with any supercharger generally occur on a estimated one day equals 5-7 days, with a week being approximately a month, and month being approximately 4-6 months, and 6 months being approximately a year. Its a phenomenon I've observed over time, and yours, especially with down under parting involved, seems to prove this true as well. Hope you get yours all squared away soon. The waiting's got to be tough.

I've mentioned before a concept that is known as "supercharger time", in which all deadlines, processes and critical path work items associated with any supercharger generally occur on a estimated one day equals 5-7 days, with a week being approximately a month, and month being approximately 4-6 months, and 6 months being approximately a year. Its a phenomenon I've observed over time, and yours, especially with down under parting involved, seems to prove this true as well. Hope you get yours all squared away soon. The waiting's got to be tough.

Thanks my friend! That quote actually made me feel better!:) The saying "A watched pot never boils", is very fitting in this scenario. Like I said above, I'm not asking anymore, calling, e-mailing, nothing! When it's done, it's DONE!:cool:

Thanks my friend! That quote actually made me feel better!:) The saying "A watched pot never boils", is very fitting in this scenario. Like I said above, I'm not asking anymore, calling, e-mailing, nothing! When it's done, it's DONE!:cool:

I saw your Jeep today. Are the liscence plates elephant? If you change your mind and have to know what I saw, Let me know. I had my Jeep tuned there today. FYI. DONT USE SHELL GAS!

T

Hey Jeff,

How much improvent did you see in your tune from the last one that you had? Also what did you Dyno at? Also Thanks to you and Chad for taking me for a ride in your Beasts the other day. Take care Bro.

Jose

I saw your Jeep today. Are the liscence plates elephant? If you change your mind and have to know what I saw, Let me know. I had my Jeep tuned there today. FYI. DONT USE SHELL GAS!

T

OK...Dammit! Please PM me the gorey details!:D

Thanks my friend! That quote actually made me feel better!:) The saying "A watched pot never boils", is very fitting in this scenario. Like I said above, I'm not asking anymore, calling, e-mailing, nothing! When it's done, it's DONE!:cool:

It really is watched pot... Might say paddling same boat, but I am seeing some bubbles now.... :browsmiley:

I would have pm'd you If I would have seen someone wrenching on it. To be honest there is a cute blanket covering the passenger side front quarter, But the heads are exposed and no intake is connected to the whipple. Sorry man! I'm sure the wait will be worth it.

T

2 months... i would start cracking skulls... lol

2 months... i would start cracking skulls... lol

To be fair, we have been waiting for various parts for a good portion of the 2 months. I know for a fact everything was there at the beginning of last week, then T-Time says he saw nothing on there last week. That really irritates me.

To be fair, we have been waiting for various parts for a good portion of the 2 months. I know for a fact everything was there at the beginning of last week, then T-Time says he saw nothing on there last week. That really irritates me.

It would me as well. I have been in your shoes before with my last jeep and unless you stay on the shops ass, it will sit there until they HAVE to work on it to make more room in the shop:rolleyes:. Unfortunately, the projects that get done first are always the ones where the owners stay on top of it or drop by the shop frequently to check up. I would keep a very close relationship with those guys since they are pretty much dictating when your jeep will be completed.

It would me as well. I have been in your shoes before with my last jeep and unless you stay on the shops ass, it will sit there until they HAVE to work on it to make more room in the shop:rolleyes:. Unfortunately, the projects that get done first are always the ones where the owners stay on top of it or drop by the shop frequently to check up. I would keep a very close relationship with those guys since they are pretty much dictating when your jeep will be completed.

I agree, but how can one do that without being a pest? I know it's quite annoying when customers call constantly, asking for every new detail and I don't want to do that. That can irritate them to the point where they just don't care. I call maybe once a week, I don't think that's unreasonable. When a week goes by and no changes have taken place, that's what really get's me. Also, it's not like this is a majorly custom build. The only custom part is the CAI and that's the last thing to go on. We're not even there yet! Even though I'm not a mechanic, I know I could have probably done this in my garage with some help from a friend of mine. I do a lot of my own wrenching and this would not have been very difficult. So frustrated!:(

I wouldn't consider you as being a pest. You are just a paying customer who expects to see some steady progress. Just don't come across as having an attitude or sound frustrated when you call or stop by. If it was me, I would stop in the shop once a week or so and check out the jeep, talk to the guys, compliment their other builds and make them feel important to your build. That way you come across as being more of a gearhead like them instead of just another joeblow with big pockets who annoys them with all the dumb questions and incompetency:D

I wouldn't consider you as being a pest. You are just a paying customer who expects to see some steady progress. Just don't come across as having an attitude or sound frustrated when you call or stop by. If it was me, I would stop in the shop once a week or so and check out the jeep, talk to the guys, compliment their other builds and make them feel important to your build. That way you come across as being more of a gearhead like them instead of just another joeblow with big pockets who annoys them with all the dumb questions and incompetency:D

I really wish I was closer to stop by, and believe me, I would if I could but it's not possible. I'm almost 3 hours away.:(

I really wish I was closer to stop by, and believe me, I would if I could but it's not possible. I'm almost 3 hours away.:(

Oh man didn't realize it was that far. Have T-time be your eyes:D

Oh man didn't realize it was that far. Have T-time be your eyes:D

Thought about something like that but I don't want them to think I'm spying on them either. Ah well, it'll work itself out. Like I said before, it's not rocket science so I know it'll get done. I'm going to stay positive. Many lessons have been learned...that's for sure!

Spoke with the shop today and they said it will be up on the dyno with video of runs tomorrow.

Spoke with the shop today and they said it will be up on the dyno with video of runs tomorrow.

oh snap...thats siiicckkkkk:D

I cannot wait to drool over your videos! :p

I cannot wait to drool over your videos! :p

Don't hold your breath!:ugh:

Don't hold your breath!:ugh:

yo man, just cuz there is a DELAY doesnt mean bein negative about it will help any. lol keep ur head up bro, things will come round EVENTUALLY. ;)

yo man, just cuz there is a DELAY doesnt mean bein negative about it will help any. lol keep ur head up bro, things will come round EVENTUALLY. ;)

Hey, STFU!!:D:D:D On a serious note, thank you Veyron and everyone else who called, e-mailed, or pm'd me today, I appreciate your support. It's time's like these where the members of this forum really shine. I am still giving them the benefit of the doubt and really truly hope that it's up and running by tomorrow. However, there is a plan B:thinkerg:

Hey, STFU!!:D:D:D On a serious note, thank you Veyron and everyone else who called, e-mailed, or pm'd me today, I appreciate your support. It's time's like these where the members of this forum really shine. I am still giving them the benefit of the doubt and really truly hope that it's up and running by tomorrow. However, there is a plan B:thinkerg:

Uh oh, does this plan B involve shovels, tape and rope:D

Uh oh, does this plan B involve shovels, tape and rope:D

HA HA! The answer is no but it will involve a beautiful enclosed aluminum trailer with winch!:D

HA HA! The answer is no but it will involve a beautiful enclosed aluminum trailer with winch!:D

Niiiice, well hopefully that will be used to bring the jeep back home when they call you and say its done in the next few days:)

D-day is tomorrow, running or not!

D-day is tomorrow, running or not!

Well i'm crossing my fingers for running. I want some videos

Yeah good luck man. Hopefully shes up and roaring

Thx, guys! I should know later today if I'll be driving her home or trailering her home.

For the shops sake I hope you'll be driving her home! ;)

Just got back in town, will give you a call later today.

On the edge of my seat, this thing is going to be nuts when its running

On the edge of my seat, this thing is going to be nuts when its running


Well, I had a long heart to heart conversation with the shop last night. No, the Jeep never made it onto the dyno yesterday and no, it is not ready for pickup today. Basically, I voiced all my concerns and frustrations and I truly believe John at MM was sorry for the hang-ups. He stated he wants another chance, for me not to trailer it home undone, and that I have his word from a professional and personal level, that it will be completed 100%, including the custom cold air intake by Thursday of next week. He knows how I feel, he knows there is a thread posted up on here about my build, and he is confident I will return with a BadAzz Jeep...a Jeep that I, as well as many of you, have been waiting for. I am giving them another chance and I hope I'm not disappointed yet again. I'll keep you posted.

Well Im glad you got a little satisfaction out of it and didnt just get turned away with a maimed truck. It sounds like this John is an okay guy and I think I speak for all of us when I say I cant wait for some updates! GL with it all man Im sure youll be happy with the end product.

Good deal...glad you guys came to an agreement. Sounds like a fair deal to me. I hope for your sake and theirs they hold up their end of the deal.

Remember the quatum physics behind Supercharger Time. If studied and applied correctly, you can manage your expectations accordingly. Hope it gets on there and running soon.

Remember the quatum physics behind Supercharger Time. If studied and applied correctly, you can manage your expectations accordingly. Hope it gets on there and running soon.


HAHA! According to your theory, that would be another month
!:eek::eek: No way that's gonna happen again. 1 WEEK=1 WEEK, and that's JDOC TIME!:D Hope to have good news for you all. Any hoo, I also have a cool body part coming in a week, needing paint, so hopefully it will be all done and presentable so I can finally take some pics and vids!!:rocker:

Would that body part be a hood from Paulie??? ;)

I tell you what, when you get it, you may not want to paint it.

And on the time, there can be a derivative calculation for shortening elapsed time when periods are measured in partial units, so a next Thursday (less than one week) could theoretically mean next Thursday, holding constant all other scheduling vectors and availability of scheduled resources, and taking into account existence of the unit on site with partial work commenced. The delta between S/C time and actual time decreases as time approaches date of completion and as the need for off site resources is eliminated.

Would that body part be a hood from Paulie??? ;)

Maybe ;);)

Sorry guys, not getting the Jeep this Thursday as planned. I feel like we are working towards the same goal now so I'm cool. Issues: Higher IAT's, problem with intercooler fitting next to firewall kinking tubing, blower needs to come off and replace fitting with 90 degree fitting. We have decided to re-locate power steering pump as well.

Well guys I've been working on Jeff's car for a while here (I know everyone thought it should be running by now) Well there were some issues that popped up on it (completely blower unrelated) and she's finally going back together here. In an effort to clean up the engine compartment I will be relocating the P/S tank with a car tank to help make the transition into the throttle body smoother. These are progress pictures and I was going to take more but the camera died on me I will post more later.

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Should have parts here to finish her up this week and then onto the Dyno for some tuning.

Here Jeff this should hold back the masses a bit.

Thats bonerific my man. Lookin good

Well guys I've been working on Jeff's car for a while here (I know everyone thought it should be running by now) Well there were some issues that popped up on it (completely blower unrelated) and she's finally going back together here. In an effort to clean up the engine compartment I will be relocating the P/S tank with a car tank to help make the transition into the throttle body smoother. These are progress pictures and I was going to take more but the camera died on me I will post more later.

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Should have parts here to finish her up this week and then onto the Dyno for some tuning.

Here Jeff this should hold back the masses a bit.

Awww man!! That thing is gonna be a BEAST when its running! Thanks for taking the time to show us some pics!

Thanks for the update John!! I really appreciate the calls as well!! GO JOHN GO!!!:D:D:DI'm getting excited again!!

Thanks for the update John!! I really appreciate the calls as well!! GO JOHN GO!!!:D:D:DI'm getting excited again!!

Good bud, you need that excitement for your build again!!! :D


The motor looks stellar with the polished whipple and red msd coil packs. :)

Sure looks good sitting up there. How high IATs are you seeing and what's the solution for decreasing them? larger intercooler, but may hit strut tower? I remember trying to mock up the fit for one of these with dimensions and a ruler and it seemed tight in the back with the heater hose connections, even for the 1.9 unit. Sounds like you're getting close. I won't even mention the S/C Time theory other than that it applies to all screw types, not just yours. Get'er done.

Sure looks good sitting up there. How high IATs are you seeing and what's the solution for decreasing them? larger intercooler, but may hit strut tower? I remember trying to mock up the fit for one of these with dimensions and a ruler and it seemed tight in the back with the heater hose connections, even for the 1.9 unit. Sounds like you're getting close. I won't even mention the S/C Time theory other than that it applies to all screw types, not just yours. Get'er done.

John said he was seeing 165-175 F' where 125-130 F' is what he would like. The problem was a fitting at the back of the supercharger where the intercooler tubing connects was a straight fitting. This fitting is too close to the firewall so that when the tubing was put on, it kinked against the fire wall not allowing fluid to pass well. He wants to change to a 90 degree fitting and believes this will solve the kinking problem.

John said he was seeing 165-175 F' where 125-130 F' is what he would like. The problem was a fitting at the back of the supercharger where the intercooler tubing connects was a straight fitting. This fitting is too close to the firewall so that when the tubing was put on, it kinked against the fire wall not allowing fluid to pass well. He wants to change to a 90 degree fitting and believes this will solve the kinking problem.

Sounds like a quick fix. Hope it gets your flow flowing and your iat's down. 40 degree swing is a good bit for hp and detonation control.

Sure looks good sitting up there. How high IATs are you seeing and what's the solution for decreasing them? larger intercooler, but may hit strut tower? I remember trying to mock up the fit for one of these with dimensions and a ruler and it seemed tight in the back with the heater hose connections, even for the 1.9 unit. Sounds like you're getting close. I won't even mention the S/C Time theory other than that it applies to all screw types, not just yours. Get'er done.

The 2.4L Whipple is actually shorter than the 1.9L harrop so there is more room at the firewall with the Whipple. Even the 2.9L has shown to fit on the cherokee as well.

John said he was seeing 165-175 F' where 125-130 F' is what he would like. The problem was a fitting at the back of the supercharger where the intercooler tubing connects was a straight fitting. This fitting is too close to the firewall so that when the tubing was put on, it kinked against the fire wall not allowing fluid to pass well. He wants to change to a 90 degree fitting and believes this will solve the kinking problem.

Your IAT's are being measured before the intercooler unless he installed an IAT sensor somewhere in the manifold below the intercooler. Would be a good question to ask.

That is pretty evil looking

With these roots blowers....Will you see any belt slippage? (belt shredding or popping off the track)???

That is pretty evil looking

With these roots blowers....Will you see any belt slippage? (belt shredding or popping off the track)???

I'm sure that's possible. The smaller the pulley, more chance of slip. With the pulley I will be running (5-6 lbs), Slip should not be a problem. Of course time will tell when I get it out to the track. How's your Vortech running? I'm so jealous you're driving yours right now and I'm not!:D

I like the kit alot....It adds a sh!t load of power to the Jeep. I'm sure yours will scream as well.

I would buy some sticky tires for your beast

I like the kit alot....It adds a sh!t load of power to the Jeep. I'm sure yours will scream as well.

I would buy some sticky tires for your beast

One day when the Toyo's wear out. The Nitto NT05's look like the ticket.

The 2.4L Whipple is actually shorter than the 1.9L harrop so there is more room at the firewall with the Whipple. Even the 2.9L has shown to fit on the cherokee as well.



Your IAT's are being measured before the intercooler unless he installed an IAT sensor somewhere in the manifold below the intercooler. Would be a good question to ask.
We used a screw in IAT to measure the temp in the manifold. Something we started with the 6:71 build because we like to know the correct IAT for the PCM. There was a kinked intercooler hose back by the firewall that needs a 90 degree fitting that will be changed today and then we will have correct coolant flow in the intercooler.

We used a screw in IAT to measure the temp in the manifold. Something we started with the 6:71 build because we like to know the correct IAT for the PCM. There was a kinked intercooler hose back by the firewall that needs a 90 degree fitting that will be changed today and then we will have correct coolant flow in the intercooler.

Will need to tap the manifold for that. Pick a short runner on the yellaterra for that or somewhere else after the cooler, correct?

We used a screw in IAT to measure the temp in the manifold. Something we started with the 6:71 build because we like to know the correct IAT for the PCM. There was a kinked intercooler hose back by the firewall that needs a 90 degree fitting that will be changed today and then we will have correct coolant flow in the intercooler.

When you get to road testing the Jeep, see if the temps are even lower when the vehcile is moving with more air flowing around it. Hopefully the revised coolant elbow will drop the charge down even more.

Will need to tap the manifold for that. Pick a short runner on the yellaterra for that or somewhere else after the cooler, correct?


I agree.




Jeff,
You will probably be making more than 5-6psi. With the 17% overdrive, it should be around 7-8psi.

Jeff,
You will probably be making more than 5-6psi. With the 17% overdrive, it should be around 7-8psi.

I hope I can make 7-8 psi. Hope the medic hood helps with cooling as well BTW, it arrived this am, I haven't seen it yet but my neighbor was like "DAYUM!"

Just an update. Multiple small little things have occurred since dropping my Jeep off for the Whipple install, that have set us back a few weeks. First, I had some valve issues that warranted replacement of the pair. Andy went ahead and sent out a full set and had them all changed out. Second, we needed longer pushrods due to the thicker head gasket so those are being sent for. Third, the head gasket travelled around much longer than it should have so it did not get to MM until just last week when heads were re-installed. Fourth, the inlet elbow was/is bent somehow, BAD. You can see the bend where the TB attaches in the third picture. Packaging? dropped? Hit? I don't know but a new one is on order, Thanks Andy. Hope to have the rig up on the dyno next week. Blower is on, I'll post pics later. With the results the Challenger R/T had, I am very optimistic with the power this thing is gonna add to my 426. Hopefully the pulleys will be here soon for John to play with boost levels. Course, we haven't even got to an airbox/cai yet so where it ends up routing still remains to be seen. BTW, the polishing job on the Whipple isn't great. Definitely could be better, not complaining since my last polished Whipple was just the same. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

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Love love love how this thing looks! How much for that extra muscle? Nice work~!

Just a little fun today.

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Nice Andy...Is that a 5.7 with the blower?

today is friday.. yesterday was thursday.. wasnt thursday the bigday? seems like pages are missing in this thread lol

Yeah! Jdoc keeps putting us in suspense! Where's that BEAST of yours bro! hehehehehe

I just read this entire thread and got to this piont and its a cliff hanger!!!! Jdoc i hope this suspense is b/c you have been romping on the new beast all weeekend, racking up penty of kills!! Look forward to hearing the newest!!

I just read this entire thread and got to this piont and its a cliff hanger!!!! Jdoc i hope this suspense is b/c you have been romping on the new beast all weeekend, racking up penty of kills!! Look forward to hearing the newest!!


WOW, you get an AAA+++ for the day. That's a lot of pages!! I wish I was romping around with it over the weekend. It's still there. Talked to John last Friday and he told me it would be going back on the dyno tomorrow (they are closed Mondays). I'll let you guys know! I really hope to pick it up this week! (fingers crossed)

UPDATE: Spoke with John at MM this morning. CAI has been fabbed up, power steering reservoir has been re-located. Waiting to get on the dyno for tuning and should be ready for me to pickup this weekend! I'm psyched!! Hopefully the next time I'm back on here, it'll be with a running beast!!!:D:D Stay tuned!

I hope so. This beast needs to be pounding the asphalt.

UPDATE: Spoke with John at MM this morning. CAI has been fabbed up, power steering reservoir has been re-located. Waiting to get on the dyno for tuning and should be ready for me to pickup this weekend! I'm psyched!! Hopefully the next time I'm back on here, it'll be with a running beast!!!:D:D Stay tuned!

Your blown-job is finally going to climax!!!! :p LOL

I hope to see vid's this weekend.

Any updates?

Is it wrong that I may be more excited about this build than my own when it was gettin S/c-ed? How backwards am I?

She should be making a Dyno appearance before the end of the week and I'm hoping Jeff can take her home Saturday and start enjoying her.

Jdoc,

Did you get your Beast back yet???


Jose

Jdoc,

Did you get your Beast back yet???


Jose


Unfortunately I don't think Jdoc got the rig back yet. :(

He posted in another thread something about an issue with the motor now.


Sorry Jdoc......I hope something gets figured out for you.

Awww man that sucks! I hope its nothing major bro.

Awww man that sucks! I hope its nothing major bro.

In Tom's hood thread second page post 20 he said they ran into other issues and the motor has to come out.

A huge bummer. I feel bad because I know he just recently recaptured the excitement for his build.

Keep your head up Jdoc.

In Tom's hood thread second page post 20 he said they ran into other issues and the motor has to come out.

A huge bummer. I feel bad because I know he just recently recaptured the excitement for his build.

Keep your head up Jdoc.

Thanks bro!

Unfortunately I don't think Jdoc got the rig back yet. :(

He posted in another thread something about an issue with the motor now.


Sorry Jdoc......I hope something gets figured out for you.

Thanks guys. Here's a copy of a recent note I sent to another forum member outlining the current issue:


Yeah, it really sucks that the previous installer did not chamfer my timing gear properly. I have a K1 crank and there was a bulletin about chamfering the timing/cam gear to fit properly against the crank. They said they knew about it and I even called them last Friday to verify. When John took the timing cover off, he found the timing gear was chamfered by hand and not at 45 degrees like it should have been. Also, they had only done 90% around. Because of this, the timing chain was worn, the insides of the oil pump were scored. He wants to check the main bearings which is why he's taking the engine out. He is going to check all clearances to make sure they are within spec. 'Sarge' posted a thread about this:

http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/s...ighlight=crank

He also found sizable metal shavings inside the oil pump!! I'm glad he found this prior to running the Whipple as the excessive wear would have eventually caused a problem down the line. If there's any scoring of the pistons or walls, I'll have him change out the pistons for a lower compression (9 : 1) while he's in there. When I initially had the 426 installed, I had an immediate rear main seal leak which could not be troubleshooted. The RMS was replaced and I never had another leak. I'll just bet this was the problem!! It happened to many people! If you don't have a K1 crankshaft, then you should be fine.

As for John talking smack, it's all in the interpretation of what he said. I personally didn't see that comment as offensive, just what his shop experienced. Just like Trojan experienced, and a handful of others. But there are many more, like yourself, who are very happy and making excellent numbers. Don't sweat it! I'm sure when my setup is up and running, there will be people saying it's a POS for what I paid, blah, blah, blah. Who cares what they think. As long as we are happy with our own rides, that's all that matters!

Take care and enjoy this beautiful morning in that beast!

Jeff

Damn! Sorry to hear about your motor bro. I do remember Sarge talking about similar issues with his first motor. Well hopefully everything will work out with time bro. Its better that they found the issues now than later cuz it probably would have cost you more money months down the road. Good luck with you build and keep your head up bro!

Sorry to hear this Jeff, but better safe than sorry.

Yeah, rather wait a little bit and keep it running than take it home and break down in a week. Glad they found the issues now. Keep us posted if you will.

Keep your head up Jeff, I know all about waiting!!

whats the latest?

whats new man ???

bump bump, really curious to see where your at with this? I may have missed a thread or two, is she fully done and running?

have ANY Whipple SC's been installed on a Jeep succesfully as of yet? starting to think this is NOT the way to go...atleast for now.

have ANY Whipple SC's been installed on a Jeep succesfully as of yet? starting to think this is NOT the way to go...atleast for now.

The Whipple had nothing to do with this problem. It was a machining problem when the block was assembled.

The Whipple had nothing to do with this problem. It was a machining problem when the block was assembled.

i am aware of this, but just was sayin, seems like the Whipple Blown Jeep just has a hard time becoming a reality regardless of what issue is holding it back...i am not doubting Whipple as I know they are quality....trust me, i want to see one up and running as much as even J does, just seems there is some crazy voodoo goin on or something. lol.

i am aware of this, but just was sayin, seems like the Whipple Blown Jeep just has a hard time becoming a reality regardless of what issue is holding it back...i am not doubting Whipple as I know they are quality....trust me, i want to see one up and running as much as even J does, just seems there is some crazy voodoo goin on or something. lol.

LOL there is some crazy voodoo going on with all the jeeps over the 600rw mark:D

LOL there is some crazy voodoo going on with all the jeeps over the 600rw mark:D

hmmm. :shrug03: i sense change tho. :FRO:

UPDATE: Motor has been dropped back in. Main bearings and rod bearings were replaced, original engine specs maintained. All issues with Whipple were resolved prior to engine out so blower just needs put back on and tuned. Was told next week, barring any other issues, it should be done. (crossing fingers :cool:)

Well thats good that you will be getting your Beast next week sometime! It will be in time for our Meet and Greet on the 26th! Your coming! Right?

UPDATE: Motor has been dropped back in. Main bearings and rod bearings were replaced, original engine specs maintained. All issues with Whipple were resolved prior to engine out so blower just needs put back on and tuned. Was told next week, barring any other issues, it should be done. (crossing fingers :cool:)

dang man, talk about a long time coming....glad to see it is NOW in its final stages of being read to go.

Well thats good that you will be getting your Beast next week sometime! It will be in time for our Meet and Greet on the 26th! Your coming! Right?

If the moon, stars, and planets are all aligned and it is indeed done by the 26th, then you better believe I'll be there!:D Lookin' forward to meeting you guys/gals!

just cant wait for it to be finish def need some videos and pict

YES, FINALLY, you can see the light at the end of the tunnel haha and you sure deserve it with all the time you've waited. I just hope no rocks fall right as you get to the end, like all those dumb movies, the suspense never stop. At this point though, I have a feeling and I honestly think you are out in the clear, GL hope she is done when you expect, vids/pics asap please!!! :)

Well, guys, I regret to inform you that the JEEP is still not together and not running. Many conversations have taken place and many things have been promised to me with yet again, no JEEP running! I spoke with John today and again let him know how dissatisfied I was, that the time it is taking, false hopes, and unkept words are far too much for me to accept anymore. Of course he said he is confident that it will be done by this Saturday 7/25/09. Another vehicle took him away from my JEEP this weekend, true or not, it is his typical story and frankly, it's just not acceptable anymore. I wish he would just do what he says he is going to do. I wish his word were golden but as you all know through my numerous updates, his word has never been kept. It's sad that shops that are suppose to be professional, treat their customers like this. Sure, John's a nice guy, easy to talk with, says all the right things, but in the end, actions speak much louder than words. I'm totally bummed because I thought this shop could carry out such a simple task of strapping on a blower with only mild customizing. That hasn't been the case. I have never once spoke poorly of Modern Muscle or John and always had confidence in him no matter what other people said, I am really sad that my expectations have not been met. John still has til' Sat. do do right by me and many others who have been patiently watching this thread. I am still hoping he will get it done but history seems to repeat itself. Done or not, Sat. I will be picking up the JEEP. I hope to have good news for everyone.

Sorry to hear of the delays. Hopefully you have it by Sat. and can enjoy it :D

Man sorry to hear about your situation Jdoc. Although I will keep my fingers crossed for you and I hope that its done right and not a rush job just to get it out by Sat. Keep us posted and hopefully we will see you on Sunday man! Good luck!

Jose

If there is anything we can do to help, please let me know.

If there is anything we can do to help, please let me know.

Thanks. I don't think there is anything anyone can do at this point. It either gets done or it doesn't. It's all on John from here on out.

dang man, sorry to hear of your ongoing let downs. stay strong and try to stay positive...if my rig gets put back together before you get yours back i'll let ya get a few pulls in mine. ;)

whos doing the install?

whos doing the install?

Modern Muscle

whos doing the install?

Well, the Jeep is at Modern Muscle and John is assigned to it, however, not sure if anyone is actually working on it.
I think myself, or any of the other more mechanically inclined members on these boards could've had it done by now.
Granted there have been some unforeseen hiccups in the build, but a professional shop still should've been able to get them taken care of by now.

jdoc, what is exactly left for them to do? Is it just tuning at this point?

It sucks not having your baby I'm sure.....I would go to the shop in person and push em

jdoc, what is exactly left for them to do? Is it just tuning at this point?


I was told he needs to take care of some electrical stuff with the blower, put the headers back on and tune. Can that happen in 4 days? What do you guys think? Am I being unreasonable?

It sucks not having your baby I'm sure.....I would go to the shop in person and push em

Been there, done that...and look where I'm at still.:(

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I was told he needs to take care of some electrical stuff with the blower, put the headers back on and tune. Can that happen in 4 days? What do you guys think? Am I being unreasonable?

Hmm 4 days should be MORE than enough. It seems their priorities are a little screwed up.:rolleyes:

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I was told he needs to take care of some electrical stuff with the blower, put the headers back on and tune. Can that happen in 4 days? What do you guys think? Am I being unreasonable?

I'd be curious as to why he didn't mount the headers to the heads and install them that way. Doing headers on these things with the heads on has to be a PITA from what I can tell.
Electrical stuff on the blower? If you put in a good day, the headers and start on the electrical stuff or the other way around. Tuning, 1/2 day?
I hope it gets done for you, but as you have said....been there a few times already.
I'd start talking about what kind of discount you're getting. This is totally unacceptable.

4 Days to wrap things up is more than enough time.

Electrical and Headers is 1 day

Tuning is 1 day

Those people need to push your Jeep to the front of their priority list

My Jeep spent over 12 hrs. on the dyno dialing it in with Josh @ HHP

I don't see them spending any significant amount of time tuning it unfortunately. The headers and electrical should be a one day job, but seeing how they work, I said a 1.5 days.
This totally sucks, I wanted to have a (somewhat) local Jeep running a whipple for me to drool over. LOL

One thing you may want to do to take advantage of the down time is get your gauges installed (boost and a/f if you don't already have them). They can be a PITA thing to do, but you'll really want them once everything else is done, and may as well get it done while other electrical work is being done (strike while the soldering iron is hot, if you'll pardon the crappy pun). There'll never be a better time to do this, snake the vaccum tube through the firewall and locate the powersources needed than now.

As for tuning 1/2 day, with a 426 with a whipple, it will take more time, Also, your Jeep may "learn" some things that you don't want it to a few days out:eek:, so tuning may be a work in progress. Of course, the fun part is, passes at the "test track" to move things along aren't exactly toil and trouble, are they? I dont' think its plug and play for these things just yet, but its getting there. Stuff happens and supercharger time is always a slow thing. Good luck and hope you get your car back and running well soon.

...It seems their priorities are a little screwed up.:rolleyes:

think this is the main reason for many jobs running a lot longer then they should...it really is too bad considering the customer is always on the losing side (having to wait when they have already paid for the services months prior). unfortunately this is the way of the world nowadays and good work done in a timely fashion is all but extinct, especially in this industry...and this is what makes Bill the SHEITE! (he delivers)

One thing you may want to do to take advantage of the down time is get your gauges installed (boost and a/f if you don't already have them). They can be a PITA thing to do, but you'll really want them once everything else is done, and may as well get it done while other electrical work is being done (strike while the soldering iron is hot, if you'll pardon the crappy pun). There'll never be a better time to do this, snake the vaccum tube through the firewall and locate the powersources needed than now.

As for tuning 1/2 day, with a 426 with a whipple, it will take more time, Also, your Jeep may "learn" some things that you don't want it to a few days out:eek:, so tuning may be a work in progress. Of course, the fun part is, passes at the "test track" to move things along aren't exactly toil and trouble, are they? I dont' think its plug and play for these things just yet, but its getting there. Stuff happens and supercharger time is always a slow thing. Good luck and hope you get your car back and running well soon.

Funny you should say this. I really wanted to do a whole bunch of 'other' things during the down time. Paint wheels, body parts, get the medic hood on, install gauges, etc. But being 2.5 hrs away, I couldn't do it. I also did not want them to have any more responsibility with these cosmetic things and just focus on the blower. All in all, 3 months of wasted time has come and gone and I still have nothing to show for it.:o I actually had to cancel 3 appointements to have my wheels powdercoated because of the delays so I finally told them not to schedule me until I actually have the Jeep back in my possession.

think this is the main reason for many jobs running a lot longer then they should...it really is too bad considering the customer is always on the losing side (having to wait when they have already paid for the services months prior). unfortunately this is the way of the world nowadays and good work done in a timely fashion is all but extinct, especially in this industry...and this is what makes Bill the SHEITE! (he delivers)

LOL no kidding. Bill needs to open a one stop shop and recruit some master builders/tuners that could do everything from start to finish. Imagine wanting a blown stroker motor.....I bet Bill would have it built, installed and tuned in less than HALF the time of the closest competitor. Hell he can have viper dan drop the motor on his rig and change the whole driveline out in a day:eek:

If, only if....


Really, hope you get it running soon. Want to see some vids and let the games begin!

Wow, I'm really sorry Jdoc.....your build has been nothing but empty promises and unmet deadlines.


I really hope it is finished for you this saturday but I highly doubt it will be.


Keep your head up bud.

Wow, I'm really sorry Jdoc.....your build has been nothing but empty promises and unmet deadlines.


I really hope it is finished for you this saturday but I highly doubt it will be.


Keep your head up bud.

You are right...it won't be done tomorrow. I'm trying to stay positive and keeping things in perspective. Afterall, it's just a car...I'm not unemployed, I'm not sick, there are people really suffering and hurting in this world. It still sucks! I won't be posting about it anymore. I think posting updates just makes me more upset as I actually try not to think about it anymore. I will start a whole new thread when it's actually in my possession and running like it should. Maybe next week, maybe next year, but rest assured, it will be running wild when I do post again. Cheers all, I'm OUT!

(Close this thread if you want to Mr. moderator)