I fixed my brakes on the Jeep from the high pitch squeal by using OEM parts not Mopar but GM. I crossed reference enough data to determine that the rear brake set up on our jeeps is the same as a Cadillac CTS-V from years 04-08. the pads come boxed in AC delco and have brembo embossed on the back of the pad. ALso in the box is a metal backing plate that is rubberized coated to insulate the pad surface. I also did some research and learned that most CTSV drivers do not complain about the noise from the brakes. they also come with brembo pad gel that goes on the back and the "butterfly and rods". I did this install and turned the stock rotors just to clean them up and give the pad surface something to break in. I do not have the part numbers in fromt of me but i will get them in the morning. I hope this may find some of the people out there that are suffering from this and do you well.

So far with about 1K miles ont he new parts NO noise at all. and no embarassing brake squeal.

the fronts are a bit harder to find as they are specific brembo calipers to only the mopar group. I am finding that some Mercedes AMG ahve the same caliper but it is not labeled a brembo. Give me some time as i am working on it and will a solution soon. FOr the time being i installed the Bendix replacements and the have been good so far.

Now this is not a fix for dust and in my opinion i will deal with dust to have superior brakes any day of the week. So dont read into this fix to solve your black rims problems.

That's great! I had the dealership service/clean my rear pads and it helped quite a bit, but they're starting to squeak again after 4,000 km. Thanks for the post. Look forward to your additional research.

Were they less expensive than the Mopar's?

I replaced mine with Wagner Thermo-quiets from Advance Auto for $60. No squeal and it's been over 1000 miles. It's all in the prep, not the pads.

I also replaced mine with brake pads spec'd for the CTS-V and my squeel is gone for now and i am one happy camper. It was really the only complaint i had about the Jeep and now that the squeel is gone its AWESOME.

OK, Now, I've got the Hawk pads on mine, they were fine for about 6,000 miles, but then the squeal came back, and now it only happens for the first 2-3 stops, and only when it is raining/snowing/humid/damp out.

Any suggestions for that one?

OK, Now, I've got the Hawk pads on mine, they were fine for about 6,000 miles, but then the squeal came back, and now it only happens for the first 2-3 stops, and only when it is raining/snowing/humid/damp out.

Any suggestions for that one?

Obviously i like how mine are quiet all the time, but if i were you i would be happy mine only squeeled in those conditions that seems acceptable to me, lots of pads do this. But i guess i didnt really answer your question.

OK, Now, I've got the Hawk pads on mine, they were fine for about 6,000 miles, but then the squeal came back, and now it only happens for the first 2-3 stops, and only when it is raining/snowing/humid/damp out.

Any suggestions for that one?

I would just pull the pads (since it's so easy), and re-grease the backs and between the plates and also the sides where they touch the calipers.

ye re-greasing helps for sure, sound is caused by friction or rubbing obviously so grease or any lube stop until it is gone and sound will come back so this is good temp fix. Diff pads seem to help some and not others, as ive heard, the posi-quiets and hawks are the top two for stopping power and squeal fix. OEM some say they are fine and obviously have best stopping power. This new caddy set-up seems to work for some as youve said, but iff its same parts, I dunno what difference is really, guess I'd hafta look into it but just cause a caddy dosnt have squeal dosnt mean the heavier jeep wont, more mass to stop causes more wear on breaks and can lead to the sound. Personally, some lube or a complete rotor/pad change would work, keep the calipers though as they are the real stopping power, brembo ftmfw!

I fixed my brakes on the Jeep from the high pitch squeal by using OEM parts not Mopar but GM. I crossed reference enough data to determine that the rear brake set up on our jeeps is the same as a Cadillac CTS-V from years 04-08. the pads come boxed in AC delco and have brembo embossed on the back of the pad. ALso in the box is a metal backing plate that is rubberized coated to insulate the pad surface. I also did some research and learned that most CTSV drivers do not complain about the noise from the brakes. they also come with brembo pad gel that goes on the back and the "butterfly and rods". I did this install and turned the stock rotors just to clean them up and give the pad surface something to break in. I do not have the part numbers in fromt of me but i will get them in the morning. I hope this may find some of the people out there that are suffering from this and do you well.

So far with about 1K miles ont he new parts NO noise at all. and no embarassing brake squeal.

the fronts are a bit harder to find as they are specific brembo calipers to only the mopar group. I am finding that some Mercedes AMG ahve the same caliper but it is not labeled a brembo. Give me some time as i am working on it and will a solution soon. FOr the time being i installed the Bendix replacements and the have been good so far.

Now this is not a fix for dust and in my opinion i will deal with dust to have superior brakes any day of the week. So dont read into this fix to solve your black rims problems.

Let us know on those part numbers and any updates please

Thanks
Al

This is a hot tip! Nice of them to include the hardware in the kit too... always a good idea to replace this, Chrysler wants a kings ransom for those. I'm not impressed with the brake torque of the stock pads though, so I need something different.

I'm still having trouble with mine... the EBC people sent me new yellows for the rear, a new formulation, and shims as well. I am also using the elusive "copper paste", permatex #09128. To be fair, it does seem better than last time and I haven't done the full break-in procedure yet.

I tried the "noisefree" stuff on the first set, metal shims, etc and it didn't help. Actually, it seems like its no good anyway, because the piston just "pushes" it out of the way, leaving the bare metal of the backing plate where the piston contacts the pad.

Has anybody found a pad that is better than the brembo / jurid one that doesnt have the noise problem?

i hear GS6 is the best so far. i wany those :)

I read somewhere that GS6's don't have the same friction output as the stock pads... no good for me

Obviously i like how mine are quiet all the time, but if i were you i would be happy mine only squeeled in those conditions that seems acceptable to me, lots of pads do this. But i guess i didnt really answer your question.

Well, it is not just a light squeal, it's a METAL GRINDING, Ball shrinking, whip-lash causing screech that just kills me.

Well, it is not just a light squeal, it's a METAL GRINDING, Ball shrinking, whip-lash causing screech that just kills me.

I love watching my neighbors wet themselves on my first braking or two.

I often use the parking brake until I can heat up the pads. It seems to be worse on cold and wet days, but only lasts for the first stop or two.

same thing here.....such an embarrassing sound.

I read somewhere that GS6's don't have the same friction output as the stock pads... no good for me

may you tell me where did you read such a thing? any links?

on the other hand, i read this:

For ultimate street performance, GS6 Carbon-Ceramic pads provide impressive braking power to match the needs of a more spirited driver. GS6 improves on the stopping power of conventional OE compounds, delivering a stable friction coefficient of 0.38 – 0.42 in a 100 – 700°F operating range. GS6 stops your vehicle...hot or cold!
Like GS5, GS6 outperforms the OE with reduced noise, dust and superior braking comfort. Advanced friction retention systems, shims, slots and chamfers ensure performance, comfort and enhanced safety under all driving conditions
Designed for the Import Tuner, Muscle Car enthusiast and Sport Truck driver, GS6 friction provides performance and confidence to stop with predictable consistency. GS6 performance also caters to commercial vehicles, light trucks, SUV's or mini-vans hauling families, trailers and heavy loads.
Offered in a virtually infinite application selection, both front and rear, GS6 opens the world of performance driving with an affordable and serious friction selection.
http://www.ibrakeparts.com/us_en/products/pads/gransport/images/chart_gs.gif

thanx

may you tell me where did you read such a thing? any links?



Nothing as specifically credible as the information you have... what I read was a post here with subjectives from someone who had tried the GS6's and made a statement about their friction output (or probably "bite" etc) relative to the stock pads.

This is great data though, thanks for this... it seems to validate that GS-6 is not the kind of pad I am after.

EBC Yellows have .5+ from dead cold, so it seems they would be equivalent to GS-2 or GS-3. They are also stable into 1200F+. Has anybody tried GS2/3?

Nothing as specifically credible as the information you have... what I read was a post here with subjectives from someone who had tried the GS6's and made a statement about their friction output (or probably "bite" etc) relative to the stock pads.

This is great data though, thanks for this... it seems to validate that GS-6 is not the kind of pad I am after.

EBC Yellows have .5+ from dead cold, so it seems they would be equivalent to GS-2 or GS-3. They are also stable into 1200F+. Has anybody tried GS2/3?

I went with the EBC Yellows too (and the EBC rotors), measuring via Dashhawk, I get a calculated stopping distance of 120-125 feet from 60, or equivalent to stock. EBC claims they get better with time, so I'll hope that is true. (About 5,000 miles or so thus far.) The bonus of MUCH reduced dust is great.

NOTE: I believe setup on these is critical, with it being VERY important to stay within the runout specs EBC states on the rotors. I wouldn't recommend just slap-n-go. Also, you gotta be willing to stay with these through the break-in period, a.k.a., train stopping screeeeetching, but after that, lots of very nice quiet stops - no more noise! Of course, YMMV, but I thought I'd share my evaluation/experience.

I went with the EBC Yellows too (and the EBC rotors), measuring via Dashhawk, I get a calculated stopping distance of 120-125 feet from 60, or equivalent to stock. EBC claims they get better with time, so I'll hope that is true. (About 5,000 miles or so thus far.) The bonus of MUCH reduced dust is great.

I haven't run the EBC rotors... I usually go with the cryoslot / powerslot ones, but they weren't available when I needed brakes. I was skeptical of those little dots the EBC rotors have - seemed to sacrifice area with no clear benefit... and I've heard some complaints with them going out of true elsewhere also.

I have found that the EBC pads need to be broken in pretty brutally to get the maximum improvement... like 10-20 consecutive full speed stops or more after the coating is gone, and enough time has passed to get rid of the plating on the rotor also. I'd think by 5K you'd be well through this...

That said, I see less dramatic improvement in cold and hot friction than I have on other cars. I guess the Jeep really is that heavy, or the stock brakes are that good. It is still notably better for me by feel... I was not able to lock the wheels routinely with the stock stuff, and that really scared me.

Also the pedal action though improved is still too spongy, so I'm going to try braided hoses next.

I haven't run the EBC rotors... I usually go with the cryoslot / powerslot ones, but they weren't available when I needed brakes. I was skeptical of those little dots the EBC rotors have - seemed to sacrifice area with no clear benefit... and I've heard some complaints with them going out of true elsewhere also.

I have found that the EBC pads need to be broken in pretty brutally to get the maximum improvement... like 10-20 consecutive full speed stops or more after the coating is gone, and enough time has passed to get rid of the plating on the rotor also. I'd think by 5K you'd be well through this...

That said, I see less dramatic improvement in cold and hot friction than I have on other cars. I guess the Jeep really is that heavy, or the stock brakes are that good. It is still notably better for me by feel... I was not able to lock the wheels routinely with the stock stuff, and that really scared me.

Also the pedal action though improved is still too spongy, so I'm going to try braided hoses next.

I'd suppose the dots (dimples) help with out-gasing as well, but either way, the bottom line performance being equivalent to stock for me is much better than sacrificing stopping distance by going with a different rotor/pad setup or hearing the noise from those stock pads (which were replaced twice with no help).

I've seen the out of true / uneven rotor wear postings as well. EBC's site cautions if you install with too much runout, you will see this appear around 3,000-4,000 miles.

Although I've got about 5,000 on mine, much has been highway miles, so I'd guess I'm the equivalent of about 2,500 miles at this point. The braking distance testing I performed was at about 1,000 miles equivalent. (I did do about 10 very hard 60-5 stops as part of the bedding process, after initial break-in miles of 400 or so.) As I get time, I'll redo and post up with any change in the calculated braking distance 60-0.

I fixed my brakes on the Jeep from the high pitch squeal by using OEM parts not Mopar but GM. I crossed reference enough data to determine that the rear brake set up on our jeeps is the same as a Cadillac CTS-V from years 04-08. the pads come boxed in AC delco and have brembo embossed on the back of the pad. ALso in the box is a metal backing plate that is rubberized coated to insulate the pad surface. I also did some research and learned that most CTSV drivers do not complain about the noise from the brakes. they also come with brembo pad gel that goes on the back and the "butterfly and rods". I did this install and turned the stock rotors just to clean them up and give the pad surface something to break in. I do not have the part numbers in fromt of me but i will get them in the morning. I hope this may find some of the people out there that are suffering from this and do you well.

So far with about 1K miles ont he new parts NO noise at all. and no embarassing brake squeal.

the fronts are a bit harder to find as they are specific brembo calipers to only the mopar group. I am finding that some Mercedes AMG ahve the same caliper but it is not labeled a brembo. Give me some time as i am working on it and will a solution soon. FOr the time being i installed the Bendix replacements and the have been good so far.

Now this is not a fix for dust and in my opinion i will deal with dust to have superior brakes any day of the week. So dont read into this fix to solve your black rims problems.

Do you have those part numbers?

Thanks

Here's a very informative post some of you who are using the CTS-V rear pads may be interested in - http://www.300cforums.com/forums/850467-post13.html.

I linked to this thread at 300cforums because I found it interesting that many are using these rear pads on the Jeeps. Seems like there's always been a vast selection for the rears with only the wear sensors being the difference.

The pads for all SRT8's are all the same BTW. Check out the many applications that will work including some front pads that are the same as our rears.

Bernie

Here's a very informative post some of you who are using the CTS-V rear pads may be interested in - http://www.300cforums.com/forums/850467-post13.html.

I linked to this thread at 300cforums because I found it interesting that many are using these rear pads on the Jeeps. Seems like there's always been a vast selection for the rears with only the wear sensors being the difference.

The pads for all SRT8's are all the same BTW. Check out the many applications that will work including some front pads that are the same as our rears.

Bernie


Thanks for posting that! That guy on there seems to be pretty knowledgeable about brake pads! Good info on that thread!

Jose

Thanks for posting that! That guy on there seems to be pretty knowledgeable about brake pads! Good info on that thread!

Jose

Oh he knows his stuff alright. He's been the biggest StopTech dealer in the world for years and was the first to find alternative pads for us. I changed mine for Posi Quiets at 43 kms.

Bernie

Oh he knows his stuff alright. He's been the biggest StopTech dealer in the world for years and was the first to find alternative pads for us. I changed mine for Posi Quiets at 43 kms.

Bernie

Cool! How are those Posi Quiets working out for you? Less dust and squeal?

Jose

Cool! How are those Posi Quiets working out for you? Less dust and squeal?

Jose

Never had a squeal whatsoever. The dust is the biggest reason I went for these pads. I'm sure everyone is quite familiar with the OEM pads making our wheels black after 50 miles, but I can go 100's of miles and you'd never even notice the dust.

All pads produce dust, but the difference is amazing in both the amount and colour. I'm also aware that there of those who could care less about dust and only want the superior braking, but I have to say I can't tell the difference. Now of course if I was to take my Jeep or car on a road course that's a different story and I'd probably also have braided lines and DOT 4 fluid.

Bernie