okay so i finally opted for the cleaner look and removed all the jeep letters, front and rear. the front looks great, but on the rear there's still a visible outline of the letters where they were glued, despite two washes and a hand-waxing. what should i do?

Rubbing Alcohol will take it right off. If you did not use it, you definatly need to.

that or WD-40

go to autozone and get some bug & tar remover, that'll do it too.

i used goo gone right after i flossed off all the letters and it didnt look like there was anything left...looked smooth and shiny. but any time any dust accumulates on the car you can see where the letters were! i thought after goo gone, two washes and a hand wax there should be nothing left :confused:

also, i think a part of it may have to do with the scratching of the paint underneath the letters, i had to work that floss pretty hard to get some of them off-the little abrasions are very fine and practically invisible, but maybe they have something to do with it? should i use some scratch remover? god i feel like such a moron, although i do like the overall look without the jeep badge

thats why i never liked the flossing technique, because you might move dirt particles back and forth underneath - best way is to heat up the letters with a hair dryer , put a flat head underneath the letters, put a finger or two under the flat head for leverage and to keep it from scratching the car and once its partially lifted you can pull it off w/ your fingers.

thats why i never liked the flossing technique, because you might move dirt particles back and forth underneath - best way is to heat up the letters with a hair dryer , put a flat head underneath the letters, put a finger or two under the flat head for leverage and to keep it from scratching the car and once its partially lifted you can pull it off w/ your fingers.

Yup. Heat gun and credit card, 8 quick pops and no residue left at all.

Alex

by the end i was using a business card and a flathead, and that worked way better. i wish i had done that from the beginning, but i didnt and now i have a problem on my hands. should i use the scratch remover and polish now?

by the end i was using a business card and a flathead, and that worked way better. i wish i had done that from the beginning, but i didnt and now i have a problem on my hands. should i use the scratch remover and polish now?


well it seems you have all the dirt off but just have a 'scratch outline' left so yea you might as well polish it up and see how well you can restore it... I'm a little curious but how old are you ? - One thing i've learned tinkering with cars is that no matter how excited you get and want to jump in and do a "mod" its better off to research and research again and make sure of what you do and the technique you do it with. :D but i've fubar'd plenty of times and it only takes one mistake to never do it again.

typical impulsive 20 year old here. whats a good scratch remover/polish combo that i would be able to find relatively easily?

Googone is all I applied to the paint after removing the badges? Hopefully you didn't learn a real nasty lesson.

i also got it washed, then the next day (today) had another wash + hand wax. the paint looks fine other than the scratches/letter outlines

you can use any old type of scratch remover but that will just fix it temporarily by filling the scratches...otherwise you'd have to get a shop to buff it out.

so having a shop buff it will take the scratches and letter outlines away permanently? sounds good to me, i just dont want to have ruined my car's appearance after a week of ownership

yeap, shouldn't be a problem for a reputable shop, just find a good shop.

Or find someone with a Porter Cable random orbital buffer who knows how to detail a car.

Alex

thanks for all the help everybody...i'll start acting right eventually lol

I have owned 6 car washes and Im very up on the detail bizz, part of the problem is you waited to remove the letters and time will dise:confused: color all paint. One or two mnths can make it almost impossilble to remove all the visible marks. Light color sanding is the only thing that might help! and i say MIGHT!!! find someone that can color sand and let them help you.

Guys, please stop messing with this poor fellow.

What you want to do is get some steel wool, an acetylene torch, a ball-peen hammer, a 21' crow bar and 3 cups of muriatic acid diluted with 1/2 cup of grapefruit juice.

24 hours ahead of time treat the logo and surrounding area with the 1/2 of the muriatic acid/grapefruit juice mixture solution. Then you'll want to heat the underside of the paint with the torch for about 10 minutes. Did I mention you need to remove the interior upholstery? Well, you do. Now, take the ball-peen hammer and give the area under the logo 5 really hard whacks. Hopefully by this point the letters in the Jeep logo have loosened sufficiently to slide the crow bar underneath each. With one, strong, swift motion, use the crow bar to pop each letter off. Oh yeah, don't forget to slide a business card under the crow bar so you don't scratch the paint (I think somebody already suggested this). After all the letters are off, take the remaining acid/juice mixture and treat the area for another 24 hours. Now comes the steel wool. Start scrubbing. 10 minutes should be enough. Rinse the area with some cold water and you're done. Simple really.

I guarantee you'll never see any evidence of the letters ever again.

Good luck!

:eek: I can second that!!!

Hulk, I am pissing myself, but one thing I have learned on this site is that JDR is very excitable and tends to get worked up over very insignificant things. There is not a chance in the world that the paint has been affected from the Jeep letters only being on there a couple of weeks. Even if there were on there a couple of months they would not permanently leave paint fade.

But - if you are positive you don't have residue leftover, which I am convinced from your post that you do not, and you still see an outline there, then I can guarantee it is very minor and not into the clear deeply at all.

What you need to do is go and buy some VERY FINE - most fine that you can buy, polishing compound - this is more fine than rubbing compound. When you rub it between your fingers you should barely feel any grit at all. There are so many kinds it is not important which you get because this is so minor. 3M makes one, there are many "fine scratch" removers that will do, but you need something that is the next level up from wax. Apply this by hand with medium pressure in circular motion with a terry cloth and then buff it off with a clean cloth, and wax the area twice or ideal would be use paint sealer and then wax. I absolutely guarantee there will be no trace of what you are seeing and the finish will not be affected. This is way too minor to need a professional polishing or an orbital buffer. You cannot and I mean cannot hurt the paint doing this. In the abolute worst scenerios (ie real scratches) you can first wet sand with 2000 grit or finer grit sandpaper keeping the area very wet. This removes the top layer of clear, then you use the polishing compound, paint sealer and wax and you would be done. But there is no way in the world that touching your truck with sandpaper is necessary.

Take 2 deep breaths and then read this again. Go do the fix and be happy. Remember, you never want to go with anything too course a grit first since you can't go back. So leave the wet sandpaper at the store. Typical scratch removers likely won't be course enough so ask for some good polishing compound.

Again, absolutely no way this is a major problem.
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Kramsay is discribing different was to color sand, 20 yrs in the bizz , Time and sun changes any paint!!! Try it i hope it works!. I have top end dealers all over So. Cal call me when they need help with everything from Porsche , lambos and Ferr. and if you no what your doing color sanding works out with no problems. Good luck!! and 2000 sand paper is color sanding!!

okay new plan then...thanks kramsay, i wasnt really looking forward to going to a body shop for this

I have owned 6 car washes and Im very up on the detail bizz, part of the problem is you waited to remove the letters and time will dise:confused: color all paint. One or two mnths can make it almost impossilble to remove all the visible marks. Light color sanding is the only thing that might help! and i say MIGHT!!! find someone that can color sand and let them help you.

ive had the car for like 10 days dude...i'm no expert at detailing, but im pretty sure that if i polish out the scratches ill be good...shoulda used a hair dryer though...oh well, next time

Thats good to here I thought the car was a few mnths. old. you should have no problem then! Good Luck!!!:)

With what you are going to do, you cannot do any damage to the paint that can't be taken out by an experienced buffer like Saywhat is suggesting. I know some wizards with a buffer and have seen some amazing things even on black which is the worst colour to buff due to swirl mark potential. These guys will try just a good compound something like Far?cla G3, although there are others that are better and this one is pretty course.

If this fails they can wet sand and then polish, so you have nothing to worry about. But I think you will do just fine on your own.
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lol thanks. so do i get my tool of the week trophy now or what :rolleyes:

Kramsay sums it up! All is good , and Good Luck!!:)

lol thanks. so do i get my tool of the week trophy now or what :rolleyes:

truth be told, I debadged in a cold underground garage with no electrical outlet, so no heat gun or hair dryer. First letter came off with floss in a snap. Others I fought with. I know better and should have just held off, but I wanted it done. I am sure I left some residual marks, but nothing major and by the end of the winter, the roadspray will blend them in nicely with any self-inflicted little scratches i may have caused. Its the aniticipation of just wanting it done.
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not to mention its "coarse" and I have been writing "course" of course.
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when i took my badges off since they popped off after being heated i could see a fine outline of dirt/grit particles around the letters, all that dirt that coats the back end of the gc gets around the 3m adhesive foam and sits there, when you use floss you'll take that dirt/grit and swirl it around the car of the body. Question is now i dont know from the description if its actual light scratches from dirt/debris or just glue.

i thought it was from the floss cutting into the clear coat, i hadnt even thought about all the dirt i was pushing around until i started this thread...polishing compound here i come

when i took my badges off since they popped off after being heated i could see a fine outline of dirt/grit particles around the letters, all that dirt that coats the back end of the gc gets around the 3m adhesive foam and sits there, when you use floss you'll take that dirt/grit and swirl it around the car of the body. Question is now i dont know from the description if its actual light scratches from dirt/debris or just glue.Exactly what I was wondering when reading the OP's complaint. Gently run your thumbnail over the area... if it's raised, it's debris/glue, if there's a drop, it's a scratch.
I know the tendency is to want it fixed NOW, but don't rush into anything in a panic. Also, it's always best to try the least invasive method first.

Before going to the extremes of color sanding or buffing, I would try, in this order...

1) Alcohol or Mineral Spirits - if it's just glue and goo gone residue, this will do it

2) Clay Bar - Didn't see anyone mention this one, but for stubborn glue, goo gone residue, rail dust, and other debris build-up, this will do it

3) 3M Perfect-It fine cut rubbing compound - READ & FOLLOW directions found on the label. If you've never used a rubbing compound before, practice on a car you don't car so much about! Proceed gently and let the product do the work, not pressure, to avoid creating rather than solving a problem

4) Professional buff out

5) Professional color sand

Follow any, or all, of the above with a good wash and wax/sealer of your choice.
Best of luck and be sure to let us know how you resolve the problem...

dang i just washed and waxed it! should i still try and put rubbing alcohol on top of this fresh coat of wax?

You'll be fine. Just rewax the areas where you used the rubbing alcohol.

You'll be fine. Just rewax the areas where you used the rubbing alcohol.Exactly, if you want to get it taken care of you'll have to remove the wax. That's the least of your problems and wax should be your finishing touch anyway.... after the problem is resolved.
G'Luck

Guys,

I debadged today as well (also after a week of ownership and my first mod). I decided not to go the floss route and took the car to a local body shop. They washed all of the surface area around the lettering off and then applied a heat lamp and popped each of the letters off very quickly and cleanly. We did notice what appeared to be more of a "wax outline" around the letters but it all cleaned off easily by tapping with a wet rag. Then we dried and re-waxed the entire area.

Since then I drove the car about 100 miles and sure enough you can see the "Jeep" lettering in dust where the badge had been. I am not trying to say that JDR07 didn't scratch his car but I am saying that I know that I did not scratch mine and I am having the same issue that he described in his earlier post.

My plan tomorrow is to re-wash that section of the car, dry it off and then apply detailers hand clay and perhaps a hand glaze to see if the issue goes away. I will post an update.

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Guys,

I debadged today as well (also after a week of ownership and my first mod). I decided not to go the floss route and took the car to a local body shop. They washed all of the surface area around the lettering off and then applied a heat lamp and popped each of the letters off very quickly and cleanly. We did notice what appeared to be more of a "wax outline" around the letters but it all cleaned off easily by tapping with a wet rag. Then we dried and re-waxed the entire area.

Since then I drove the car about 100 miles and sure enough you can see the "Jeep" lettering in dust where the badge had been. I am not trying to say that JDR07 didn't scratch his car but I am saying that I know that I did not scratch mine and I am having the same issue that he described in his earlier post.

My plan tomorrow is to re-wash that section of the car, dry it off and then apply detailers hand clay and perhaps a hand glaze to see if the issue goes away. I will post an update.

-7


after i removed my badges and took off the dirt/grime i cleaned the area really good w/ goo-gone, works great, - i took off pinstripes w/ the same method on a car 10 years old, waxed it and you cant see the outline at all.

Guys,

I debadged today as well (also after a week of ownership and my first mod). I decided not to go the floss route and took the car to a local body shop. They washed all of the surface area around the lettering off and then applied a heat lamp and popped each of the letters off very quickly and cleanly. We did notice what appeared to be more of a "wax outline" around the letters but it all cleaned off easily by tapping with a wet rag. Then we dried and re-waxed the entire area.

Since then I drove the car about 100 miles and sure enough you can see the "Jeep" lettering in dust where the badge had been. I am not trying to say that JDR07 didn't scratch his car but I am saying that I know that I did not scratch mine and I am having the same issue that he described in his earlier post.

My plan tomorrow is to re-wash that section of the car, dry it off and then apply detailers hand clay and perhaps a hand glaze to see if the issue goes away. I will post an update.

-7

Probably need to buff those areas with a high speed buffer. It should come off. You could probably get your body shop do it for you.

ditecusa.com has a formula to treat your paint, with a six year guarantee that you never have to wax again. Did my porsche & jeep srt8

This is what happens when the adhere the letters before the paint has fully cured. Good luck.

I used floss and had no outline of any letters.

This is what happens when the adhere the letters before the paint has fully cured. Good luck.

I was wondering if that could be the case...

Alex

When the car is clean there is no outline at all. Only after driving and ample dust has collected to the back of the car did it become noticeable.

In any event I cleaned the car (5th time this week :D ) and picked up some goo gone. I did a quick application and will let everyone know how things turn out.

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When the car is clean there is no outline at all. Only after driving and ample dust has collected to the back of the car did it become noticeable.

In any event I cleaned the car (5th time this week :D ) and picked up some goo gone. I did a quick application and will let everyone know how things turn out.

-7The problem with Goo Gone, and the reason I never use it, is that it leaves its own residue that tends to attract dust and dirt.
Mineral spirits or alcohol should do the trick... I would suggest following up the Goo Gone with one of these before you do your final clean and seal.

When the car is clean there is no outline at all. Only after driving and ample dust has collected to the back of the car did it become noticeable.

In any event I cleaned the car (5th time this week :D ) and picked up some goo gone. I did a quick application and will let everyone know how things turn out.

-7

Exact same problem here. i followed you guys' suggestions, alcohol, scratch remover, wax, and it looks great when clean. For some reason though, the damn dust gathers right where the letters were. only on the back though. :(

Exact same problem here. i followed you guys' suggestions, alcohol, scratch remover, wax, and it looks great when clean. For some reason though, the damn dust gathers right where the letters were. only on the back though. :(


So the Goo Gone seemed to do the trick although the car isn't super dirty even after driving it around for an hour or so (a light dusting at best). This said I see no trace of the letters. If they reappear I will update.

Update:

Goo Gone did the trick for me. No more phatom jeep outlines. Looking good.

JDR07, how are things with your ride?

No one has mentioned using 3M Adhesive Tar and Wax Remover. This is formulated for auto finishes for just this purpose. Pick some up at Auto Zone etc. Good product to have on your detailing shelf. It is in a blue and white spray can. Also use it for tree sap, oil and grease, road tar. I've used it to remove the residue from my badges with success. I would try it before going to the rubbing compound routes.

Update:

Goo Gone did the trick for me. No more phatom jeep outlines. Looking good.

JDR07, how are things with your ride?

Looks much, much better now, thanks.

Looks much, much better now, thanks.

Sweet! Glad to hear it.

Yeah I don't really know what happened, I wasn't really all that impressed with the results of the scratch remover/wax routine at first, but a little while later it looked fine :confused: :D There are still some really fine scratches where I flossed it, but you can only see those if youre like an inch away from it

We call that knee jerking...
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im learning a lot of lessons owning this vehicle

im learning a lot of lessons owning this vehicle

Hopefully all good ones. ;)

Alex

im learning a lot of lessons owning this vehicle

Is nice when you have a little help along the way. Is amazing really that there are so many people out there who are just plain car enthusiasts and enjoy helping others enjoy their rides.
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Is nice when you have a little help along the way. Is amazing really that there are so many people out there who are just plain car enthusiasts and enjoy helping others enjoy their rides.

Sounds like group hug time.

:D

Alex

Well we kid him all the time, but truth is if I was 20 years old and owned one of these I would also be bouncing off the walls.


Sounds like group hug time.

:D

Alex
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yeah learned a lot of good lessons already, and i really do appreciate the help. now that the car is broken in a little bit i dont get so crazy about every little thing, and its a lot more enjoyable that way

Use your favorite wax, it takes it right off also.

Use your favorite wax, it takes it right off also.

I'm waxing right now