Went out to my cabin to check on things yesterday, I have a growing dislike for this esp and the delayed engagement with the awd.

Even with the esp turned off it was still kicking in when I was climbing up the driveway, steep icy road with 8" of snow, I couldn't use full power to gain momentum and blast, I think I'll be getting Gsmotorsport's little gadget for this, maybe make my own.

Plus, Dodge should of offered the awd/4wd control Ford has, much better to have the option of full 4wd when conditions can benefit from it.

Once the fr/rr tires match speed you need slippage to engage the front again, which means you need to spin, losing some degree of traction/momentum/control just for it to kick in.

On the main road going in to the cabin, it's a 30mph zone about 30 miles long, and the esp was completely useless. Once the rears slip, the esp engages, not even letting the awd kick in to accelerate up the hills.

I've found some info onhow to override, but yet to find someone who actually has done it.

The awd/esp seems to work fine in dry or wet conditions so I'd leave it factory for that, but in snow/ice it blows goats.

Feedback please, and thanks in advance!!

hoseclamp.

I totally agree with you. I love seeing all the threads on here about the SRT8 in the snow and how well it does . The bottom line is our car sucks in the snow, IMHO. We got 8 inches of snow a few days ago. I'm embarrassed to say it, but I choose to drive my wife's minivan over the Jeep.

I dont drive mine in the snow !!! Torque Monster .

then trade it in for a Limited then you babies!! Mine does fine in the snow. When I bought it-I didn't have plans for moderate to deep snowfall. This a street truck-not for off-roading or back roads......you guys expect the world from the SRT8-its made for the pavement-hence the big brakes,stiff suspension,ground effects, and so on..... put in the switch for 2wd mode and say bye bye to the transfer case.

turning trac control is a must, first thing i do when getting in the jeep in the winter

then trade it in for a Limited then you babies!! Mine does fine in the snow. When I bought it-I didn't have plans for moderate to deep snowfall. This a street truck-not for off-roading or back roads......you guys expect the world from the SRT8-its made for the pavement-hence the big brakes,stiff suspension,ground effects, and so on..... put in the switch for 2wd mode and say bye bye to the transfer case.

There is no reason why the srt8 can't do these conditions I expect from it. I'm not running the powerlines and four wheeling, there's no plans for a winch or recovery sytem, just a set of descent winter tires and run it all year. I had a Mustang, I hate seasonal toys, looking at it sit there was a waste of money IMO.

If I can run the same roads in the wife's awd Flex or our older Windstar without issue, why does it have to be noticably inconvenient, or better described to be less efficient, to do the same in the srt8.

The 2wd mode switch won't ruin anything, it simply cancels/interfere's signal to the transfer case when the rears spin. The awd functions like this on it's own when there is no sippage detected. Go for a relaxing cruise across 10 states, if you're not hot rodding it's running 2wd the whole time with no damamge, no reason why a switch overriding the awd would damage anything.

WTF is the babies comment, maybe you're the baby for being sceered to run some snow or gravel road? ;) We all have one thing in common, the srt8 GC, but that doesn't mean we all drive in the same conditions does it? Where one sees a country road with glare ice, -40c/-40c temps, drifts of snow over one foot with 40mph cross winds as lunacy, another sees a nice Sunday afternoon drive. To each thier own.

Back on topic please!

the only thing i miss from my 2002 laredo: Quadra-Drive II

Fuggit I'm going to order shop manual and do an override for the awd. I'll still do GSMotorsport's mods (esp control, intake spacer, maybe 2wd).

I'd still like to hear from anyone if they've done it already. Thanks for the feedback everyone!

I think the runflats are more the issue in the snow than anything else.

The 2wd mode switch won't ruin anything, it simply cancels/interfere's signal to the transfer case when the rears spin. The awd functions like this on it's own when there is no sippage detected. Go for a relaxing cruise across 10 states, if you're not hot rodding it's running 2wd the whole time with no damamge, no reason why a switch overriding the awd would damage anything.



go ahead and try it then... use the search feature... 2wd will in fact screw it up...

besides... ive never had a problem in the snow and most here haven't... if you want to go in the snow really well i recommend getting a IH Scout II or wrangler... think about the tires you have on it also... i think they are alil more performance oriented then the Limiteds have!!!!

Just as WBSRT just said...

The tires I'm using are Pireli Scorpion Ice & Snow's, 275/45-20's all the way around.
http://hoseclamp.smugmug.com/photos/483731601_i9VsW-M.jpg
http://hoseclamp.smugmug.com/photos/483731556_pZEjz-M.jpg


The GY's were just scary, but better at the same time also.

I've put on tires approx 2.3% taller, which means awd engagement is delayed 2.3%. Doesn't seem like much but when dealing with a more agressive tread with considerably more traction, the effect is exagerated (spelling?). Where I noticed with the GY's the tracion was low in the ice and snow, the transition from 2wd-awd was non-existant. Due to the shorter tires took less time to engage, an with less traction the effect was less detectable.

Now I have a huge traction increase with a delayed engagement, when it kicks in it's loud, and it jumps when the fronts grab traction. Annoying.

If I had a 4wd override I could run in 4wd in the greasy slippery stuff without the awd and esp fighting each other.

The esp is a pos and I recomend to never turn it off even in crappy conditions. All it does is accelerate the demise of your transfer case. The reason why you guys are still having traction problems with the 'trac off" is because the traction control is NEVER 100% disabled, even with the button. So the system will give you slightly more "spin" time but not as if it were 100% disenganged. Its just not worth killing off the clutch packs...And for winter i picked up the 18" wheel/tire combo from tire rack...It works like a dream :):):)

The tires I'm using are Pireli Scorpion Ice & Snow's, 275/45-20's all the way around.
http://hoseclamp.smugmug.com/photos/483731601_i9VsW-M.jpg
http://hoseclamp.smugmug.com/photos/483731556_pZEjz-M.jpg


The GY's were just scary, but better at the same time also.

I've put on tires approx 2.3% taller, which means awd engagement is delayed 2.3%. Doesn't seem like much but when dealing with a more agressive tread with considerably more traction, the effect is exagerated (spelling?). Where I noticed with the GY's the tracion was low in the ice and snow, the transition from 2wd-awd was non-existant. Due to the shorter tires took less time to engage, an with less traction the effect was less detectable.

Now I have a huge traction increase with a delayed engagement, when it kicks in it's loud, and it jumps when the fronts grab traction. Annoying.

If I had a 4wd override I could run in 4wd in the greasy slippery stuff without the awd and esp fighting each other.

well then get rid of the truck...

looks pretty flat there...

i didnt get a chance to do any good "offroading" when i was home for christmas... but everything ive thrown at it already has done great...

ONE THING TO REMEMBER is that... with the electronic traction control it can put power to any one wheel... nothing but a hummer (or a posi-posi to an extent) can do that...

even the other jeep systems are only a limited slip... but that actual braking the spinning wheel hasnt came along to many times!!!

There is no reason why the srt8 can't do these conditions I expect from it. I'm not running the powerlines and four wheeling, there's no plans for a winch or recovery sytem, just a set of descent winter tires and run it all year. I had a Mustang, I hate seasonal toys, looking at it sit there was a waste of money IMO.

If I can run the same roads in the wife's awd Flex or our older Windstar without issue, why does it have to be noticably inconvenient, or better described to be less efficient, to do the same in the srt8.

The 2wd mode switch won't ruin anything, it simply cancels/interfere's signal to the transfer case when the rears spin. The awd functions like this on it's own when there is no sippage detected. Go for a relaxing cruise across 10 states, if you're not hot rodding it's running 2wd the whole time with no damamge, no reason why a switch overriding the awd would damage anything.

WTF is the babies comment, maybe you're the baby for being sceered to run some snow or gravel road? ;) We all have one thing in common, the srt8 GC, but that doesn't mean we all drive in the same conditions does it? Where one sees a country road with glare ice, -40c/-40c temps, drifts of snow over one foot with 40mph cross winds as lunacy, another sees a nice Sunday afternoon drive. To each thier own.

Back on topic please!

I was just messin around-so don't get your panties in a bunch. I'm got enough brains not to rip a 40K vehicle down a gravel road. I'm not independently wealthy-I work my azz off to have my SRT8. It has been thru many snow days of 6+ inches-then right to the car wash ;). To each their own-I hope you find a solution to your problem. I can't afford 2 vehicles to have a "seasonal" toy-I may not like taking it out in the crap...but that is what soap and wax is for...... GL

Mine performs fine in the snow..I just disengage T/C and am moderate with the throttle..

maybe he just needs a driver mod :) haha... j/k... but man it really is different and takes some getting used to... thats all... go in a big parking lot and do some power slides... thats what it is made for!!!

Good I like to see a bit of humor, even at my expense:). Hey I didn't take it too seriously SRT8 4 J, hence the "wink", all is good.

It's a new vehicle and of course it will take time for me to adjust, to get a feel for how it handles. I do know when I'm running glare ice with drifts, the awd engaging and disengaging is a hindrence, along with the esp restricting speed when needed, on or partially locked out, is not a benefit. Locking in 4wd in my King Ranch and leaving it there for whatever needed conditions makes the drive much smoother and relaxing. I drive on ice and snow 6 months a year, it didn't take long to see the difference with how much better the full 4wd opton would be with this vehicle in poor traction conditions.

I think the runflats are more the issue in the snow than anything else.

pretty much hit it on the head there. stock Crapyears are good initially, but as soon as they get worn foget about it. sure TC kicks in a bit, but thank god for that, this beast has mad torque. try running a nice winter tire and then report back.
p.s. dont expect this thing to have identical performance in the snow as it does in dry conditions.
p.p.s. i run the Pirelli Scorpion Ice & Snow as well (255/50 all around)

I must have something wrong with mine then. I race her on the river all the time, and I never have traction problems. With the TC off she will do a 4 wheel burnout for as far as I want.

Good I like to see a bit of humor, even at my expense:). Hey I didn't take it too seriously SRT8 4 J, hence the "wink", all is good.

It's a new vehicle and of course it will take time for me to adjust, to get a feel for how it handles. I do know when I'm running glare ice with drifts, the awd engaging and disengaging is a hindrence, along with the esp restricting speed when needed, on or partially locked out, is not a benefit. Locking in 4wd in my King Ranch and leaving it there for whatever needed conditions makes the drive much smoother and relaxing. I drive on ice and snow 6 months a year, it didn't take long to see the difference with how much better the full 4wd opton would be with this vehicle in poor traction conditions.


its all good bro.....sound what do think about THIS SRT8??? I was pretty impressed......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL4EZZAJOcs

Anyone tried to change the wheels.
Maybe this will mess up the speedometer guaga etc...so it might not be a good idea.
But why not get some GC rims and wheels (W/ some winter tires better then the pirelli`s)and use the srt wheels in the summer?

Haha that video was hilarious. Pull the ESP fuse out under the hood and traction control will be 100% disabled...at your own risk of course:D I put a switch in line for mine so I can disable it from the dash.

its all good bro.....sound what do think about THIS SRT8??? I was pretty impressed......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL4EZZAJOcs

a driver mod should come before the 4wd mod in this case.

a driver mod should come before the 4wd mod in this case.


i agree hehe.....he got out of some deep sh*t tho.....

yeah but he also got into deep sh*t... i am really surprised he didnt tear off that front end... i kinda wonder what tires were on it... the 20's handled it pretty good (and the ground clearance)

Good vid, must of eliminated the esp 100% there, no way mine would let me do that. When running up the road at the lake with the esp turned "off", the rears would spin, locking in the front drive, pick up speed, the the eps would kick in, slow me down, disengage the front drivetrain, then the esp would kick out, rears would spin, lock in the front etc etc. Even having the option to eliminate the esp 100% would be huge, maybe enough the 4wd override would be overkill, maybe. One way to find out. It's not that it can't be driven, it just isn't the most favorable awd/esp system I've tried to date.

I thought about different wheels but the factory wheels look too good to take off:) I won't do a set of winter wheels that don't look as good, they're on there for at least 6 months so I'd hate the way it looked until spring, and I can't get a set that looks better since I would have to upgrade the summer then. Lots of extra cash spent that could go into hp mods instead.

scam397124, the speedo won't be effected by wheel size, changing the tire diameter will effect it. Mine is out considering the size I'm using is a hair over 3/4" taller than factory so my speedo is reading slow, that is if the factory calibration was correct with the GY.

The Pirelli's I like, put them on the wife's Flex on the factory wheels and size, 235/55-19. They do a very good job providing traction considering how much power is there, I just think there's a more efficient & linear way to get it to the ground.

A fuse under the dash for the esp with a switch in series, can you disable/enable while driving? Sounds like a cheaper option than GSMotorsports....

what year do you have?

my 08 really doesnt feel like it cuts out like that at ALL... but i think they might have changed the ESP system...

straight from my manual it says the only system still active is the TCS where it brakes the tire that is spinning... but that doesnt cut power (that i have felt at all)...

i know my buddy that has an 07 limited has a two stage esp... first push makes it blink then hold it and it disables it all... are the 06-07 a two stage like that?

here is a Winter wheel and tire combo

hurry 1 hour left...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jeep-SRT8-2006-2009-18-WINTER-Rims-and-Tires-Set_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ66484QQihZ017QQitem Z270349162259QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

I've got an '08, no idea what the build date is though.

i know my buddy that has an 07 limited has a two stage esp... first push makes it blink then hold it and it disables it all... are the 06-07 a two stage like that?

naw, 06-09 have identical esp controls.

I've got an '08, no idea what the build date is though.

Just in case you're ever interested, or you may already know, but that info is on label on driver's door. Ours is actually longer and thinner. Scroll way down or just click certification label and you'll see explanation on mfg date, and M-month, D-day, H-hour of your build.

http://wkjeeps.com/wk_vin.htm

naw, 06-09 have identical esp controls.

well he has the limited like i said so it is a different drive... i just didnt know if that might be the case...

mine really doesnt let up though... or enough to feel really... the harder i push the faster it goes when i have Mr. squiggly lit up..

I also thought the SRT8's are sketchy in the snow, so I purchased Pirelli snow tires. It helps a bit, but I will say the AWD system in these trucks really aren't confident boosting. I felt like it could slide out at any moment on icy roads...and yes, I did get passed by a 5.7L hauling ass with no problems.

I pulled the abs fuse yesterday, it did help free up control but the awd still sucks. I do have the shop manual on order and will do an overrride for the awd.

I pulled the abs fuse yesterday, it did help free up control but the awd still sucks. I do have the shop manual on order and will do an overrride for the awd.

dude really... you shouldnt be messing with it.. people are dropping TC's left and right...

I have 18'rims and snow tires and guess what ? I can still lose control if i want to. This jeep has a good amount of low end tq. You can't compare that to pathfinders and f-150's

You can't compare that to pathfinders and f-150's


I agree......my F-150 with Silent Armor Wranglers kicks azz in the snow, but the 4.6 V8 is definitely not a torque monster :D

You honestly believe that its the Jeep?

You can drive through anything with an AWD provided you go slow enough and give yourself enough stopping distance.

My Jeep runs fine in the snow because I dont try to drive it likes its a dry road.

Come on I can break the wheels loose easily in my moms AWD Ford Freestyle and slide all over the place if I wanted to.

You honestly believe that its the Jeep?

You can drive through anything with an AWD provided you go slow enough and give yourself enough stopping distance.

My Jeep runs fine in the snow because I dont try to drive it likes its a dry road.

Come on I can break the wheels loose easily in my moms AWD Ford Freestyle and slide all over the place if I wanted to.

Please read the thread from the beginning, I don't think you have. Maybe this thread needs a general clarification.

It is not a question of how to improve the vehicle's ability to run winter conditions because I can't drive it the way it is. I have no problem driving the vehicle as is. I don't blame Jeep for what it is, or regret my purchase. It was built a particular way, with very little consideration for running logging roads or the deep woods in central British Columbia, Canada, in the dead of winter.

What I'm doing is trying to improve it's ability to function efficiently for my conditions, without esp interfering, or transfer cases clunking into awd in a manner that could damage. Having the ability to stay in 4hi is much more suitable in some situations, with no shock on the driveline whatsoever if needed for extended periods.

Many of the bush roads here are plowed smooth in the winter time so a higher speed is actually obtainable in the winter months compared to the summer. I like to drift, slide, even a bit of air time, quite a rush when running 70-80mph down a plowed logging road with 6" of fresh powder covering it.

Also, the fuse was only out for 12-15 minutes, only wanted to replicate the esp override. It is better, but that awd needs improvment.

I very much appreciate everyone's contribution to the discussion, just wanted to clarify on that point eh.

^^^^ that sounds like fun. I think the abs fuse doesn't do any harm in the short run...but for extended periods like maybe couple thousand miles will ruin the clutches in the transfer case.

Def remove the front lip bumper when you do that!!!

Isnt the jeep more like all time 4wd since power can change from individual wheels?

I used to have a Jaguar X-type awd, once 1 wheel slips the other does nothing. The jeep is WAY better in the snow than my last car.

The system feels just like some of the Ford awd or auto4wd systems, mainly the Expedition or Harley trucks.. It runs rwd until slip is detected, engaging the front drive. Those trucks do have a 4wd override though which aids certain conditions immensly. I've put on close to 800 miles since I bought it last wednesday :). All but maybe 200 have been ice and snow, not once did I "feel" awd engagement that felt like awd changing or regulating power output between axles, it's always felt as slippage in the rear followed with front drive engagement. Mind you, first week owning it, wtf do I know:). What I do know my F150 5.4L feels gutless as hell now;).

The system feels just like some of the Ford awd or auto4wd systems, mainly the Expedition or Harley trucks.. It runs rwd until slip is detected, engaging the front drive. Those trucks do have a 4wd override though which aids certain conditions immensly. I've put on close to 800 miles since I bought it last wednesday :). All but maybe 200 have been ice and snow, not once did I "feel" awd engagement that felt like awd changing or regulating power output between axles, it's always felt as slippage in the rear followed with front drive engagement. Mind you, first week owning it, wtf do I know:). What I do know my F150 5.4L feels gutless as hell now;).

its because it is a rear bias... 90% rear till it slips...

even with snow tires the GCSRT8 is a POS in snow conditions, I did not know this until I used my wifes truck during a snow storm.

even with snow tires the GCSRT8 is a POS in snow conditions, I did not know this until I used my wifes truck during a snow storm.

to each their own... ive drove A LOT of 4wds in my day (anything from f150's to 2500HD's to powerstrokes to explorers to rangers to honda passports to wranglers to cummins etc. etc., lifted not lifted, snow or mud or performance tires, on and off road) and i think the jeep does just fine... never had a problem and don't foresee having any (actually i hope to throw more stuff at it... and i have stock GY's)...


this has came up time and time again... you will find people who take it for what it is and you will have people complaining that it isn't as off road capable as a H1

I never had a problem driving it on Ice and Snow in Chicago, as long as the snow was not higher than the front fascia, and that was with the crummy RFT's. It is not as good as a Trgualr Jeep, or a Hummer, but it is better than any FWD or RWD vehicle. A lot is drive input.....and it was not designed for most off road conditions . Feather the pedal. Mine old SRT moved from FL to NC with my Son, and he has 40,000 miles and no real problems.

I have yet to drive mine in the snow, but as long as it can start moving from a stop on a small gradient hill then thats all i ask, cornering and braking is all driver in my opinion, the reason i like AWD is for its "starting" ability. As long as i can use the AWD to get going (especially on a hill) im happy.

I have yet to drive mine in the snow, but as long as it can start moving from a stop on a small gradient hill then thats all i ask, cornering and braking is all driver in my opinion, the reason i like AWD is for its "starting" ability. As long as i can use the AWD to get going (especially on a hill) im happy.

I agree. I could not make it up my driveway on several occasions with my R&T Charger. As long as this Jeep can make it up my driveway and into my garage I will be happy. I hate getting stuck in snow, especially if it is less than 4" worth.

The bottom line is our car sucks in the snow...
I don't have a problem in the snow at all, I get around just as well as I did in my 2004 Overland. Half the battle is how experienced one is at driving in such conditions. I have stock tires and haven't been stuck once.

Would have been nice if it had come with a good LSD stock.

I don't have a problem in the snow at all, I get around just as well as I did in my 2004 Overland. Half the battle is how experienced one is at driving in such conditions. I have stock tires and haven't been stuck once.

Well RS some of the problem may stem from the PCM/FDCM which operates the transfercase being skewed by the Predator. (remember the old reason Mike L from Diablo came here to begin with)

If you go with a narrower winter specific tire like the 255/55R18 you will go anywhere the front facia will let you. It has been freezing rain here the last couple days and my jeep with that combo will outrun pretty much everything. A LSD is a easy mod but with real tires it isn't nessesary at all. I have stock rims off of a wrangler doesn't look mean but saves those pricey rims for the summer.

Well, we just got the 18" and run flat Blizzaks on, and there's supposed to be at least 12" of snow tomorrow ... let's see if we have the guts to go out and give a review:D:armed:

We got 15 + inches of snow yesterday. So, I had to take the jeep out to see how it runs in it before they jacked the roads all up with salt. Mine is completely stock, including the GY runflats. Here's what I experienced:

In the deep fresh powder (maybe 8" or so) it drove just fine. I didn't notice it to slip hardly at all. (driven sensibly for snowy conditions). Remember, I'm not out to tear it up, just see what it can do. Note: I had the ESP turned off.

Where the road was plowed down to 2" of snow (without salt, or traction enhancers), it moved easily. However, there is a lot of convaluted mechanical magic going on to keep it from sliding around. The back wheels would spin, then the Traction Control would start making it's noises, then the differential would hook in and start pulling with the front. Note: All factory ESP controls were engaged. I don't like the fact that each time that you step on the gas the Jeep spins the rear tires until the transfer case engages. That's the price we pay for high performance. I would like to have the option to lock the center to apply power to the front and rear all of the time. (only in snow, of course). I understand it from a start, but when you're driving along and have to apply power, you have to remember that the Jeep doesn't know it need AWD until it slips. So, It HAS to slip before it will engage the front end. You have to prepare for it to potentially slide until the front end grabs. I personally like to drive with the ESP off, but reading some of the posts, I don't know if I'm hurting it or not.

All in all, the SRT will get you around if you need it, but you can tell it's not made for it. My 2004 CVPI (cruiser) gets around just as easily with 125 lb of sand in the trunk. Just not in the deep 15+ inches of snow.

I personally like to drive with the ESP off, but reading some of the posts, I don't know if I'm hurting it or not.


I was reading up on the past conversations that we have had with SRT engineers.
When somebody asked them if it hurts the TC when driving around with ESP turned off
Team SRT said: We wouldnt have put the button in if it hurt the TC every time you used it. So feel free to use it whenever you want


Check out the past threads that we have had with Team SRT.... Alot of useful info there ;)

Id have to say that tires are main factor in the snow. Obviously these things have ton of torque, so no matter what esp on off, its not gonna grip well unless you have some snow tires. Thats it, its not the rigs fault. It's heavy enough and has awd, that alone is the majority of getting unstuck from snow, along with ground clearance depending on car/amount of snow.

Just get some good tires and the srt jeep is an animal in the snow. All the electronic crap doesn't matter much imo. Wheel spin or not, you need to have traction which all comes back to tires and weight in this case. Complainers are all running runcraps Id bet ;)

I bought my 07 in September, two weeks after, first snow of the year. (Canadian Rockies) To exit my underground parking there is quite a slope and of course the heating elements hadn't been turned on for the winter yet. 4 inches of snow so I thought no worries, got halfway up ramp let off gas for some pedestians, couldn't get er to hook up and started sliding backwards towards closing garage door, with hand on opener, and fingers crossed, steered it under the opening door, phew! 4wd not great in this circumstance. I do drive to our local ski hill on a secondary road, 40 miles each way, 3 times a week. It's snow and ice covered and the jeep handles this type of conditions just fine. I run the GY's.

Snow & ice drifting.....

Jeep SRT8 Raptor 500 PS in Germany:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSTjdzJuy9Y

http://www.greekdragster.info/Raptor/1.jpg

http://www.greekdragster.info/Raptor/2.jpg

http://www.greekdragster.info/Raptor/6.jpg

http://www.greekdragster.info/Raptor/10.jpg

http://www.greekdragster.info/Raptor/11.jpg

^ sweeetttt vids man. I love the sound of that thing too. Nice work all around, the flat/matte look is awesome! Are those 22" SRT replicas almost, they look something like that no?

^ sweeetttt vids man. I love the sound of that thing too. Nice work all around, the flat/matte look is awesome! Are those 22" SRT replicas almost, they look something like that no?

Yes they are almost 22" SRT replicas. KRAFTWERK-TUNING builds them like that in Germany.

Where did those carbon fiber dash pieces come from? Also more info on the wheels.

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The 2wd mode switch won't ruin anything, it simply cancels/interfere's signal to the transfer case when the rears spin. The awd functions like this on it's own when there is no sippage detected. Go for a relaxing cruise across 10 states, if you're not hot rodding it's running 2wd the whole time with no damamge, no reason why a switch overriding the awd would damage anything.

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That statement will get you to the dealer for a new transfercase. I know first hand about a month of rear wheel burnouts and rear wheel dynoes I was at the dealer before I even found this forum.!!! Two wheel switch no good!!

I dont drive mine in the snow !!! Torque Monster .

+1:D:D:D:D

We just got 20+ inches of snow here in MD over the weekend and with the drift in some areas its was piled up 25+ inches. My DD is a Dakota R/t and there was no way it was moving in the mess we had here. So i had no choicce but to pull the jeep out and it suprised me. A lil common sense and the torque of the 6.1 awesome fun! My mom has a half mile drive way up a slight hill started at the bottom with the Esp off and let her eat. sideways snow flying. mom standing at the door shaking her head Priceless love the jeep in the snow. Only downfall is having the wheels on with all the salt. gonna be cleaned ASAP!!

Drove mine in the snow the first year I had it. Really no problems overall. It stays inside now in the winter. I just have too much invested. I drive a 99 Expedition in the winter. I will admit that I feel much more confident driving the Ford, but I never let heavy snow stop me from driving the Jeep.

HaHa didn't have a problem with my SSTB. I Left the jeep at home 10in of snow in Brooklyn. :cool::p

Where did those carbon fiber dash pieces come from? Also more info on the wheels.

Info on wheels. They sell them with 265/35 ZR22 tires for 3590 Euros....

http://cgi.ebay.de/22-22-Zoll-Jeep-Grand-Cherokee-Alufelge-LM-Rad_W0QQitemZ350167631444QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAuto_K omplettr%C3%A4der?hash=item51879e0654

Info on wheels. They sell them with 265/35 ZR22 tires for 3590 Euros....

http://cgi.ebay.de/22-22-Zoll-Jeep-Grand-Cherokee-Alufelge-LM-Rad_W0QQitemZ350167631444QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAuto_K omplettr%C3%A4der?hash=item51879e0654

EUR 3,590.00
$5,125.44 USD Out of my league My stokers are just fine :D

I was reading up on the past conversations that we have had with SRT engineers.
When somebody asked them if it hurts the TC when driving around with ESP turned off
Team SRT said: We wouldnt have put the button in if it hurt the TC every time you used it. So feel free to use it whenever you want


Check out the past threads that we have had with Team SRT.... Alot of useful info there ;)

That's what I'm talking about. It runs great without the ESP. So now I don't feel like I have to pamper it when I drive in the snow with the ESP off ("partial off").
Thanks for the info. ;)