Saw this article today and makes me think the stock Jeep SRT8 is going to be outdone. Come on SRT let's get that 6.4L in production!!!

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=10&article_id=7540

Sounds bad f*cking ass. But you can bet the price tag will be at least $85k

still ugly as hell IMO.

I honestly think I just threw up in my mouth... I thought the new BMW cars looked fubar.

I honestly think I just threw up in my mouth... I thought the new BMW cars looked fubar.

Woah don't be hating on BMW's guy!

Woah don't be hating on BMW's guy!

BMW's are definitely not up to par nowadays I don't care what you say. basically riding the wave of their earlier years success. And for the record, I grew up lovin BMW's, just disappointed with them ever since they started being built in the U.S....same goes for Mercedes.

Woah don't be hating on BMW's guy!

Why? Does it say in the First Amendment that I have the right to free speech unless it involves a BMW? :p

I hope they aren't telling people that's one of the new elite benefits of being a BMW owner these days.

BMW's are definitely not up to par nowadays I don't care what you say. basically riding the wave of their earlier years success. And for the record, I grew up lovin BMW's, just disappointed with them ever since they started being built in the U.S....same goes for Mercedes.

What BMW models are made in the US? A guy at work just recieved his 328i and it came straight from Germany. :confused:

about time the stuck the M on a suv

What BMW models are made in the US? A guy at work just recieved his 328i and it came straight from Germany. :confused:

They are made in Spartanburg, SC. US government gave the automakers huge incentives and tax breaks to stimulate more manufacturers to build US factories.

Sounds bad f*cking ass. But you can bet the price tag will be at least $85k

that and every schmuck on every corner will have one...at least that's how it works in Houston. That reason alone is why I wouldnt give you 2 cents for a cayenne or an X5 etc. range rover etc etc. If I am paying that much money I would like a little exclusiveness. Maybe now with the credit market in the toilet 70%+ of the owners will evaporate. That would be nice

As long as the jeep ups the performance ante and stays in their niche market I think it will be fine. I would still rather have the SRT8 than a cayenne turbo S or an MX5 (should they make one)

c'mon guys...The thing will still be a heavy pig. At best it will have the performance level of a ml63. Nothing a jeep with a tune can't smoke.

just disappointed with them ever since they started being built in the U.S....same goes for Mercedes.

Mine was made in Germany bra. A lot of dudes that buy 'em go over to europe and actually drive them before they load onto the boat for the states. Where did you hear they were made in the states (as if it would be a bad thing anyway)?

Mine was made in Germany bra. A lot of dudes that buy 'em go over to europe and actually drive them before they load onto the boat for the states. Where did you hear they were made in the states (as if it would be a bad thing anyway)?

everybody knows BMW has a plant in Spartanburg SC. whether or not this particular model will be built there is another question (prolly not). And i am very aware of their Euro program (going to Germany, picking up your car from the plant, driving it around Europe, then loading it on a boat and shipping it back for usually less than what you could pick one up new for at the dealership). i just have my opinion on the quality of craftmanship over the last decade...though pricing continues to be the same and greater the quality has gone down.
p.s. "the Spartanburg plant does not actually assemble all BMW vehicles sold in the US market; instead, the plant serves as the only X5, X6, and Z4 production site in the world. Hence, all models of these vehicles exported worldwide originate from BMW Spartanburg." this would more than likely indicate that the M versions of the X5 and X6 will be U.S. made.

everybody knows BMW has a plant in Spartanburg SC. whether or not this particular model will be built there is another question (prolly not). And i am very aware of their Euro program (going to Germany, picking up your car from the plant, driving it around Europe, then loading it on a boat and shipping it back for usually less than what you could pick one up new for at the dealership). i just have my opinion on the quality of craftmanship over the last decade...though pricing continues to be the same and greater the quality has gone down.
p.s. "the Spartanburg plant does not actually assemble all BMW vehicles sold in the US market; instead, the plant serves as the only X5, X6, and Z4 production site in the world. Hence, all models of these vehicles exported worldwide originate from BMW Spartanburg." this would more than likely indicate that the M versions of the X5 and X6 will be U.S. made.

Its not because its even made in the u.s. Overall the quality of materials used in any german vehicle as of 2005+ has dropped. Our new ml63 has the same style generic plastic as a chrysler. The only difference is it has more insulation and some fancy stitching. I believe that the german automakers are starting to rely more on their "name" appeal than the quality. I have no problem with that, I'd like to see the american brands climb the mountain top again.

the X5 is made in USA.... just an FYI

Its not because its even made in the u.s. Overall the quality of materials used in any german vehicle as of 2005+ has dropped. Our new ml63 has the same style generic plastic as a chrysler. The only difference is it has more insulation and some fancy stitching. I believe that the german automakers are starting to rely more on their "name" appeal than the quality. I have no problem with that, I'd like to see the american brands climb the mountain top again.
ever notice how our car key fobs looks the same as Mercedes without the silver/chrome on it.... :D

The X6 is pure garbage. However, I could deal with the X5 M. Like someone commented on the article, I agree that the unpainted trim everywhere really makes the vehicle look cheap.

the X5 is made in USA.... just an FYI

Not my 335i.....:cool:

that and every schmuck on every corner will have one...at least that's how it works in Houston. That reason alone is why I wouldnt give you 2 cents for a cayenne or an X5 etc. range rover etc etc. If I am paying that much money I would like a little exclusiveness. Maybe now with the credit market in the toilet 70%+ of the owners will evaporate. That would be nice

As long as the jeep ups the performance ante and stays in their niche market I think it will be fine. I would still rather have the SRT8 than a cayenne turbo S or an MX5 (should they make one)

I'm sorry. Schmucks were managing big three and more schmucks were buying their subpar mass products. That's one of the main reasons why big three is where it is nowadays. Anybody who doubts that, please check latest stats for domestic manufacturers and BMW.

Spartanburg plant is building X and Z models, I believe, but not all of them. Some are build in Germany and Austria.

I just came back after living in Germany twice for almost 10 years and I can say that the X series is not a very common car. The majority of the owners of X's are American. And believe it or not they are manufactured in the US.

On another note. As much as I love BMW (I have a 335xi) and as much as I love my Jeep I have to say that the Jeep is an inefficient beast! In Europe Gas prices are INSANE at $7+ a gallon and European car makers have been making faster better performing cars that get better mileage for years. Not to say US car makers aren't doing the same but I have to admit that euro cars are just nicer! Although the price tag is through the roof and the smart cars and fiats drive me nuts!!!

I got the Jeep because I wanted a car that had a bit of Luxury and some balls to boot for a reasonable price, which is one thing DCX is good at IMO.

I soooo enjoyed blowing the doors off of high end German cars on the autobahn with my modded SRT4. More than once i would pull effortlessly past a car at 120 mph+ and they would follow me to my next stop to look at the neon that just smoked them. I even had a guy ask if he could take pictures of it. lol and it only cost me $30,000 for a very stable, tight cornering 2700lb rocket with HP and torque in the 400's

To the point, too much Money!!! Get your jeep, drop a well manufactured SC in it and see what the M has to say then and you still have a reliable pretty nice DD for half the price.

still ugly as hell IMO.

Looks like a refined Aztek if you ask me.

I'm sorry. Schmucks were managing big three and more schmucks were buying their subpar mass products. That's one of the main reasons why big three is where it is nowadays. Anybody who doubts that, please check latest stats for domestic manufacturers and BMW.

Spartanburg plant is building X and Z models, I believe, but not all of them. Some are build in Germany and Austria.

well if you read my quote it states ALL

How do you know your beemer actually came from Germany unless you actually saw it in Germany and loaded it onto the cargo ship?....BMW quality is in the toilet....its more of a name now then anything else....and the x5 is one of the ugliest suvs on the market IMO..

well if you read my quote it states ALL

You're right, sir.

This is from worldcarfans.com

BMW Manufacturing Co., a subsidiary of the BMW Group based in Munich, Germany, is the exclusive manufacturer on the Z4 and M Roadster, Z4 and M Coupe and the X5 Sports Activity Vehicle.

i can't wait...that's perfect...I love it!

How do you know your beemer actually came from Germany unless you actually saw it in Germany and loaded it onto the cargo ship?....BMW quality is in the toilet....its more of a name now then anything else....and the x5 is one of the ugliest suvs on the market IMO..

BS, Mine's been perfect, so was the prev. one as will my next be. BMW makes such excellent, driver's cars. Love my Jeep but it can't hold a candle to any bmw. ;)

BMW is the only true family owned large car manufacturer....who knew dat :)

BS, Mine's been perfect, so was the prev. one as will my next be. BMW makes such excellent, driver's cars. Love my Jeep but it can't hold a candle to any bmw. ;)


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BS, Mine's been perfect, so was the prev. one as will my next be. BMW makes such excellent, driver's cars. Love my Jeep but it can't hold a candle to any bmw. ;)

Bs?...so your absolutley 100 percent certain your 5 series came from Germany?....ya, ok....
Compared to previous years, the BMW interiors, body panels, etc have been skimped on...imo the last good run BMW had at a sedan was the 740i...that interior, ride quality, look, etc beat out the current generation shark like sedan they call a 7 series...ive been in several bmws over the years, and I will say that the older interiors had more leather and sodr tough surfaces everywhere...same as with my SRT...I think the seats and gauge cluster and steering wheel are nice, but the dash and doors on my 99 laredo felt nicer IMO, and not like hard plastic. I'm not comparing jeeps to bmws...I'm just talking about bmws here...yes, they are nice, but at the end of the day, its still just a name...hell, the hyundai genesis interior takes a big poop on the 7 series interior IMO...and just so everyone knows, I keep referring to the 7 series since it is bmws "flagship" sedan...

BMW is the only true family owned large car manufacturer....who knew dat :)

Actually Porsche is also.... And is the most profitable car company in the world.

I'm sorry. Schmucks were managing big three and more schmucks were buying their subpar mass products. That's one of the main reasons why big three is where it is nowadays. Anybody who doubts that, please check latest stats for domestic manufacturers and BMW.


Lets not kid ourselves...some of us 'schmucks' bought from the big 3 because we couldn't afford to buy a nameplate. I couldn't TOUCH any BMW model new for what my car was new in 2001 and that's just the plain jane slow as balls BMW models forget anything with performance. Those with money that still bought big 3 cars...well I can't speak for them but not everyone gets excited with they see BMW or Mercedes emblems on a car.

Is the picture dimensions on that website messed up, or is that Beemer really that ugly?
I agree with the guy saying it looks like a touched up Aztec.
No thanks.

Lets not kid ourselves...some of us 'schmucks' bought from the big 3 because we couldn't afford to buy a nameplate. I couldn't TOUCH any BMW model new for what my car was new in 2001 and that's just the plain jane slow as balls BMW models forget anything with performance. Those with money that still bought big 3 cars...well I can't speak for them but not everyone gets excited with they see BMW or Mercedes emblems on a car.

Actually I was referring to mass products, rather than niche, like SRT-s, Corvettes, etc...When I purchased my Jeep new in 2007, I could probably get very slightly used 335 for same $$$, which I regret now. If nothing else, the retail value of the bimmer would be much higher. One with limited finances could buy Japanese products which are similary priced, but much higer in built quality and superior ergonomics IMO.
I enjoy my Jeep a lot, but boy... I need a new folder for keeping all service receipts and any time you go to service it's a PITA, you have to fight for everything, no loaners.
As to excitement... The only person I care when I purchase my cars is myself. I need to like it and be excited about it. Why should I care if anybody else is getting aroused or not by looking at it, or how many similar cars are on my block, or town?
I'd rather be considered unique for different things, than the car I drive.

Actually I was referring to mass products, rather than niche, like SRT-s, Corvettes, etc...When I purchased my Jeep new in 2007, I could probably get very slightly used 335 for same $$$, which I regret now. If nothing else, the retail value of the bimmer would be much higher. One with limited finances could buy Japanese products which are similary priced, but much higer in built quality and superior ergonomics IMO.
I enjoy my Jeep a lot, but boy... I need a new folder for keeping all service receipts and any time you go to service it's a PITA, you have to fight for everything, no loaners.
As to excitement... The only person I care when I purchase my cars is myself. I need to like it and be excited about it. Why should I care if anybody else is getting aroused or not by looking at it, or how many similar cars are on my block, or town?
I'd rather be considered unique for different things, than the car I drive.

I guess I don't consider my Camaro to be a niche product but I suppose it could be. I know what you are saying though... I wasn't trying to bash on them at all with the 'getting excited' point... It's just that some people bought from the big 3 because they really did like what they were getting from them and didn't see anything else that interested them. :cool:

i love beamers probably will be my next car after i give this thing up but on another note,i dont think this new suv stands a chance with the srt8 price wise and quality ..bmws are all name and not like they used to be as others stated but they tend to have some problems

dont get me wrong.. love bmw's... but that thing aint no SUV... so they can beat it... its like some odd lookin cross over or some sht... ewwww...

Actually I was referring to mass products, rather than niche, like SRT-s, Corvettes, etc...When I purchased my Jeep new in 2007, I could probably get very slightly used 335 for same $$$, which I regret now. If nothing else, the retail value of the bimmer would be much higher. One with limited finances could buy Japanese products which are similary priced, but much higer in built quality and superior ergonomics IMO.
I enjoy my Jeep a lot, but boy... I need a new folder for keeping all service receipts and any time you go to service it's a PITA, you have to fight for everything, no loaners.
As to excitement... The only person I care when I purchase my cars is myself. I need to like it and be excited about it. Why should I care if anybody else is getting aroused or not by looking at it, or how many similar cars are on my block, or town?
I'd rather be considered unique for different things, than the car I drive.

You should have gotten the extended gold warranty package. My package has been paid 3x over just in the amount of rental's i've had. :D

You guys should all know by now that the Jeep SRT8 is the greatest thing to hit the roads and NO ONE will EVER be able to top that. GOSH!

X5 is still ugly.

Actually Porsche is also.... And is the most profitable car company in the world.

B... What's up man? Looks like you are getting the GC-SRT8... Black, Full option plus the Kicker sound system too (exactly like mine)... You won't regret it bro... :D Its a beast!!!

That thing looks like a BMW sedan ran through a Photoshop distort filter. It may be fast, but it is FUGLY.

I saw one of these x5's today on the garden st pkwy. What the fck is that graphic on the bottom. As the kid drove by me, I pointed to the graphic and said. Please get rid of that. We both punched it from about 50 for about a 1/4 mile and were neck to neck. He then exited

You should have gotten the extended gold warranty package. My package has been paid 3x over just in the amount of rental's i've had. :D

I have 7/70 free from Chrysler. Thay gave it to me when Jeep was spending more time in the shop then on the road in the first two month of "happy" ownership. I was there every week for the first 8 weeks...:mad: It was either the warranty, or I'd pursue the lemon law. As to rental, it's more complicated, Chrysler will let you rent only Chrysler vehicles (at least that's what my SA tells me). Both times when I was going to get a rental they didn't have Chrysler products till the end of that day. Both times they called me at the end of the day when I didn't need it already.

One more thing: if I go over the list of repairs/replaced parts my car needed, it'd be easily half of what i paid for it.

I don't mind the X5M or the X6M. But the price is gonna be in GTR, ZO6, M3, CLK63 territory. I know they're not SUV's, but wayyyy better performers. The GCSRT8 is the best performing SUV (currently) for the money and still a great performer for the price when compared to other performance vehicles in its price range (i.e. sports cars, sedans, etc. What's got me worried are the new Camaro SS and Z28, new WRX STi (base WRX is now 0-60 in 4.7 sec) and the like. I don't like losing...period! Jeep really needs to step to a 6.4l or heavily massaged (PCM finally) 6.1l to keep up with the Jones'.

I don't mind the X5M or the X6M. But the price is gonna be in GTR, ZO6, M3, CLK63 territory. I know they're not SUV's, but wayyyy better performers. The GCSRT8 is the best performing SUV (currently) for the money and still a great performer for the price when compared to other performance vehicles in its price range (i.e. sports cars, sedans, etc. What's got me worried are the new Camaro SS and Z28, new WRX STi (base WRX is now 0-60 in 4.7 sec) and the like. I don't like losing...period! Jeep really needs to step to a 6.4l or heavily massaged (PCM finally) 6.1l to keep up with the Jones'.

just buy a vortech :D

never happen

theyre still bmws and therefore not american muscle, and in the end, most of us are here because its well an american tradition, power/sound, gives that feeling of being at the strip knowing you have the grunt under your right foot, you just dont get that scene or that feeling your in that setting in a bmw period, sure they're fast and perform and are great rides, but theres some mystique about american power, just the shake, the rough ride, whatever it may be, the jeeps aims for it and achieves it rather well i believe, so thats one thing no german or Italian or any euro producers will ever be able to compete with, different type of car period.

I don't mind the X5M or the X6M. But the price is gonna be in GTR, ZO6, M3, CLK63 territory. I know they're not SUV's, but wayyyy better performers. The GCSRT8 is the best performing SUV (currently) for the money and still a great performer for the price when compared to other performance vehicles in its price range (i.e. sports cars, sedans, etc. What's got me worried are the new Camaro SS and Z28, new WRX STi (base WRX is now 0-60 in 4.7 sec) and the like. I don't like losing...period! Jeep really needs to step to a 6.4l or heavily massaged (PCM finally) 6.1l to keep up with the Jones'.

There is no Z28 now so nothing to worry about there. ;) You also don't have to worry about the new Camaro SS anymore than you have to worry about an LS1 F-Body. From results on this site an STI shouldn't worry you much either.

Even though the Z and X are built in SC don't blame anything on those people who put them together. The design is still done from BMW, the interior "reduction" in percevied quality is a cost saving measure as the dollar has gotten so weak to make them more affordable. The Spartansburg plant is a very high quality sucessful operation. By the way most hondas and lots of toyotas sold here are built here with outstanding quality. Many of the domestic big three are assembled in factories outside the US (Canada and Mexico). Look at the window stickers and it will define domestic and import content. Whether the car final assembly occurs in a certain place it doesn't mean that many of the contracted subassembly components are built elsewhere. Enjoy the cars for what they are. Also no matter where the M is built all the M motors are hand assembled in Germany.