Not very good pics, but it is something.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/jeep-grand-cherokee-2010.html#more-13536

im liking the look of the interior esp. the thicker steering wheel...

.....6.4l ;)

.....6.4l ;)

pu pu pu pleasE! :thinkerg:


-- Sal

look more big

Not for me i like mine.

Ugly...............

What's up with the exhaust? They could have covered the wheels with some "Auto Sock" :p

Not for me i like mine.

+1 looks like a Journey or an Equinox.hopefully the camo is covering all the good parts.

great find - not digging the smoother lines, but i'm gonna wait until seeing the entire new chassis before passing judgment.

Not liking how the door kinda curves out under the window. I like the squareness and straight lines.

This looks like bad news for speed freaks like us. 7 passengers boys... you start talking fitting extra people behind the rear seat with enough room for someone to walk through the rear captain chairs.... increase the size/weight about 35%.

The platform is going to be too big, heavy, and bulbus for an SRT version. 6.4L with the economy in the toilet and everyone still scared about gas?

My money is on the total destruction of the SRT line.

This looks like bad news for speed freaks like us. 7 passengers boys... you start talking fitting extra people behind the rear seat with enough room for someone to walk through the rear captain chairs.... increase the size/weight about 35%.

The platform is going to be too big, heavy, and bulbus for an SRT version. 6.4L with the economy in the toilet and everyone still scared about gas?

My money is on the total destruction of the SRT line.
The SRT model will be based on the 5-passenger model, not the 7-p.

Looks really BIG to me. Exactly why I don't like to drive my wife's Tahoe.

:eek:

Looks really BIG to me. Exactly why I don't like to drive my wife's Tahoe.

:eek:
The 5-passenger version will be very similar in size to the current Grand Cherkoee.

This just means that our 06'-09's will be worth more if they release that POS

This just means that our 06'-09's will be worth more if they release that POS
POS?? It's going to put the current models to shame...

POS?? It's going to put the current models to shame...


Thats impossible

I plan on keeping mine forever!!

So resume i'm guessing the '10 will get the 6.4L than ? - any ideas what the starting msrp will be ?

POS?? It's going to put the current models to shame...


With all due respect that is a pretty bold statement, would you care to elaborate. Are you referring to refinement, performace, options....
If you are referring to putting the current GCSRT8 to shame, performace wise than the new GCSRT8 will surely get close to Super Car Performace numbers. For example: 0-60 in under 4 secs, 1/4 mile in the low 12s maybe better, better braking, better handling etc.....
What I'm trying to say is that there are'nt many cars out there than can put these rigs to shame(stock to stock) so if this new SRT line up can, than this must be the beast of all beasts.

I think Resume's comments about the next gen going to put the current version to shame leans more heavily towards build quality and interiors rather than all out brute performance.

I think Resume's comments about the next gen going to put the current version to shame leans more heavily towards build quality and interiors rather than all out brute performance.
Ride quaility, handling, interior quality, performance, features and options, the list is quite long...

I like my 06 better. If they come with a 6.4 who cares, ill get a 426.

Ride quaility, handling, interior quality, performance, features and options, the list is quite long...

Thanks for sounding in! I can't wait to see what the new model brings. Great to see that progress is being made.

Ill take the first gen over anythiing else. They are originals and nothing like it. Nothing can compare. I dont care what they come out with ill never get rid of mine.

Ride quaility, handling, interior quality, performance, features and options, the list is quite long...

Looks like we are going to lose our "live" axle.

Ill take the first gen over anythiing else. They are originals and nothing like it. Nothing can compare. I dont care what they come out with ill never get rid of mine.


+1^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Who cares about rear heated seats anyway? Let em freeeeze:D

Notice they didnt list any engine bigger than the 5.7???? srt gone???

With the 2009 Grand Cherokee tipping the scales at $50K right now, I think buyers will make a mad dash for the Mercedes version.

I would be surprised if there's a SRT.

I'd like it if resume could chime in with more details as it might curtail my from purchasing that new cts-v. If the performance is the same minus upgraded hardware such as a real lsd than it wouldt be worth it. But if its a 6.4 w/ a mid 3's to 60

I thought Chrysler was unveiling the new Grand Cherokee,Charger and 300 at the NAIAS on Sunday 01/11 live. Here is the link to the website.


http://naias.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=378

Sounds like the 2010 GC will be introduced at the New York International Auto Show in April..

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/crossovers/2010_jeep_grand_cherokee_spied

Hope we don't have to wait too long to see a SRT8 version!

.....6.4l ;)

Here's to hoping we get IRS like challenger. No mention of anything but 5.7... that concerns me.

Good move killing the commander... I'm shamed by those things

Sounds like the 2010 GC will be introduced at the New York International Auto Show in April.
Yes, that's what the current plans are. Mark your calendars - Wednesday, April 8th.

Good move killing the commander... I'm shamed by those things


I wouldn't go that far. Once you drive one, you have much more appreciation for "the box" then what is on the outside, and with the 5.7 it is no slouch.

Now if you want to talk about being embarrassed, then look no further then the Compass.

http://www.carbroker.com.au/images/cars/Jeep+COMPASS-review-l.jpg

Now if you want to talk about being embarrassed, then look no further then the Compass.


For sure. I got a compass once when I was in for service, and the thing was so slow it was hazardous. And it sounded like a dam saturn. It made me appreciate even the 3.7 WK.

I don't know how they can execute so well like Patriot, Liberty and GC, and then turn out utter turds like the Compass and Commander; or why they even needed these models in the first place. Maybe instead of going to the well to subsidize mediocrity, they could trim the losers behind this, and the CVT...

I ordered my GCSRT8 2009, still waiting, its on production. After this post, should I cancel the 2009 and wait for the 2010 GCSRT?

Yes, that's what the current plans are. Mark your calendars - Wednesday, April 8th.

Great.... so the one time I _NEED_ the internet.. I will be in St. Thomas for my honeymoon.. well its a good wedding present though ;-)


(yes yes.. im coming back soon)

-- Sal

Hmm.. Not many items of interest from Chrysler at the NAIAS.. I guess the technology in the Aspen Hybrid is of note, too bad the truck is so ugly.

ILl be surprised if they still make one come next year...maybe theyll put a pause in production and not change anything?

It pisses me off they are making it bigger but regardless I will be buying one of these (SRT8). 2nd Year. Then the hair dryers go on :D

the good news is I have a feeling the center exhaust is here to stay. I was worried when I saw those spy pics of what we thought was an SRT mule. Turns out they were probably using leftover SRT8s to test 2010 setup for the regular models. That would explain the ML style exhaust incorporated into the bumper that we had all been talking about. Maybe we will get lucky and they will incorporate some type of G style side exhaust (assuming it flows well - visually)

I thought the 200c was pretty impressive....and the ev Viper mini(LOL)

looks like a Kia - Sonata

Like the current ones much better from what i can tell.

Guys.. some of the camo might be "poked out" (like the back top) like that to mess with your eyes.. lets just wait till the camo is off and we can see all the lines before we pass a "look" judgment call. :(

-- Sal

yes....they put foam under the camo to diguise the shape etc.

It pisses me off they are making it bigger but regardless I will be buying one of these (SRT8). 2nd Year. Then the hair dryers go on :D
Bigger? 5-passenger version will be similar size, not larger.

Resume--
What about the 8 speed i keep hearing about? Any truths?

Notice they didnt list any engine bigger than the 5.7???? srt gone???

SRT maybe not gone, but lowest priority for sure.

The SRT Version will probably show up in 2011 if Chrysler follows suit, The Charger, Magnum, 300, and Grand were all introduced 1 year after the platforms were introduced.

I just call my salesman, they will have it next month... Phase A.. /cry

POS?? It's going to put the current models to shame...

Resume since you are so connected with the SRT boyz, would you mind passing along this one critisism to them. I've hapred on them for their choices under the car from day one, they've ignored me as usual.

In the next Gen SRT vehicle, please don't skimp on the drivetrain in lieu of a cheap solution. The current power parts from the flywheel to the axles is out of a cracker jack box, they subcontracted McGyver sans duct tape to build the thing.

Its soooooo easy. I want you call it "QUADRADRIVE-S": Dana60 Rear Electronically locking w/4-Link-Coil Overs, Dana 44 Front with Electronic Locker, NP205 all-gear single-speed Jeep Hybrid Transfer Case that runs on Good Ole ATF and has a sight plug, 6spd automatic out of the Dodge CumminsDiesel Ram.

It woudl raise the price marginally, as all the parts already exist in the inventory or have been in existance since the beginning of time.

Yes, that would be an improvement, and I would pay for that package. But I would prefer a Challenger-style aluminum IRS, please.

Drivetrain has already been finalized, but I am still awaiting more details. Early spec sheet I saw listed same 5-sp tranny we have now, but that may have since been changed. Front axle aluminum, rear IRS. No idea (yet) on transfer case changes, if any.

Drivetrain has already been finalized, but I am still awaiting more details. Early spec sheet I saw listed same 5-sp tranny we have now, but that may have since been changed. Front axle aluminum, rear IRS. No idea (yet) on transfer case changes, if any.

Resume, Thanks for all the info you can give us. Keep it coming!

I wouldn't go that far.* Once you drive one, you have much more appreciation for "the box" then what is on the outside, and with the 5.7 it is no slouch.* Now if you want to talk about being embarrassed, then look no further then the Compass.http://www.carbroker.com.au/images/cars/Jeep+COMPASS-review-l.jpgYup-that's one ugly piece of ****

I ordered my GCSRT8 2009, still waiting, its on production. After this post, should I cancel the 2009 and wait for the 2010 GCSRT?How do you know there will even be a SRT in 2010?* Its a good car-get it and enjoy.

rear IRS.

Well you said it all right there....... the 2010 should be a P.O.S.

Well you said it all right there....... the 2010 should be a P.O.S.

Why? Love the Jeep but hate the ride quality.

If the ride quality is there with a better tranny coupled with power and AWD I'll trade my 08 up.

My Jeep is my DD and (soon-to-be) kid and people hauler. As such I really want something that is good on the road and IRS would really go a long way in eliminating that awful bumpsteer and solid rear axle bounce. The truck isn't going off-road, might as well make it comfortable on the street.

Bigger? 5-passenger version will be similar size, not larger.

THey said they are offering 5 and 7 passenger versions. They also said it will share a platform with the next generation ML and Durango. In case you haven't driven one the Durango is significantly larger than the GC. THAT is why I am assuming it will be larger.

Here is the quote: "Code-named “WL,” the Grand Cherokee will have an all-new platform to ride on, which will be shared with several other vehicles including the next-generation Dodge Durango and the next-generation Mercedes-Benz M-Class. "

"However, this new chassis has enough flexibility so that the 2010 Grand Cherokee will be offered in 5 passenger and 7 passenger configurations"

A little reading goes a long way :D

((unless of course they are going to offer an extended version))

Well you said it all right there....... the 2010 should be a P.O.S.

You are joking right!!!????

How does IRS suck? yes solid axles are better for straight line performance but overall this is a vast improvement over the current unit. It improves handling and ride. Maybe I am missing something here but unless you plan on lifting the vehicle (i.e. putting a suspension lift on it) IRS is awesome.

Why? Love the Jeep but hate the ride quality.

If the ride quality is there with a better tranny coupled with power and AWD I'll trade my 08 up.

My Jeep is my DD and (soon-to-be) kid and people hauler. As such I really want something that is good on the road and IRS would really go a long way in eliminating that awful bumpsteer and solid rear axle bounce. The truck isn't going off-road, might as well make it comfortable on the street.

Show me a high performance, high horsepower, fast accelerating heavy vehicle with IRS.

Heck the LX cars have enough problems.

Show me a high performance, high horsepower, fast accelerating heavy vehicle with IRS.

Heck the LX cars have enough problems.

Porsche Cayenne Turbo

Dodge Viper SRT-10 (best performing domestic car. Fastest production car ever on the ring - beat zonda, enzo, gtr, ZR1, etc. etc. )

Trust me. I am not a fan of IRS. But in this configuration it will perform. Assuming the completely overhaul it and beef it up for the SRT application.

I see where you are coming from but I wouldn't automatically say we are doomed. Let's just hope for the best and maybe get some "sports car-like" handling

I am not holding my breath though

Porsche Cayenne Turbo

Dodge Viper SRT-10 (best performing domestic car. Fastest production car ever on the ring - beat zonda, enzo, gtr, ZR1, etc. etc. )


And I also used heavy in Italics, none of those examples can compare to the Jeep weightwise.

Now lets get into chassis dynamics, with a IRS the torque reaction is taken by the chassis and the solid beam axle the torque reaction is taken by the control arms. The squat whether it be anti or not can be adjusted more easily in a side long arm than a IRS. Usually IRS is never adjustable give the "built in" link mounts.

The IRS has to be restrained in five axis's as opposed to the solid beam axle (if well designed) with only four links.

Roll axis is more complicated with a solid beam axle but can be designed for, i.e. with independant susupensions the roll center height is a direct measure of the lateral-verticle force coupling between the the sprung and unsprung weight. With a solid rear the vertical-lateral force is a function of the type and design of the lateral links.

You can never design a IRS with a roll center below ground level (roll center height is the force coupling effect of unsprung and sprug weight)

I could go on and on but I have yet to see a NitroMethane Funny Car running IRS............

Guys, I appreciate the vast info and design knowledge that you share about IRS BUT, being devil's advocate, are we not forgetting that the next gen GC is after all foremost a passenger vehicle and NOT a full on platform for gear heads like us? Why would Chrysler make a vehicle that is so welcoming to crazy mods? They would just open up a whole heck of a lot of warranty and other such issues for themselves.

IF they build a vehicle that works well as an entire package UNMODDED, then they would in my books have succeeded in ensuring that the incoming model is improved over the outgoing one.

The old saying applies here... "if you want to play, you have to pay". As much as I hate having to shell out extra $$ to beef up parts because I have increased the output of the engine, it is my responsibility NOT the manufacturers. The fact that they have given us some 'extra' wiggle room to bump out output and still use stock parts is great. They could go the other way and reduce that room for us!

Just my 2 cents

Hey resume do you know if the 2010 jeep will be an OBDII system or an OBDIII system ?

And I also used heavy in Italics, none of those examples can compare to the Jeep weightwise.

Now lets get into chassis dynamics, with a IRS the torque reaction is taken by the chassis and the solid beam axle the torque reaction is taken by the control arms. The squat whether it be anti or not can be adjusted more easily in a side long arm than a IRS. Usually IRS is never adjustable give the "built in" link mounts.

The IRS has to be restrained in five axis's as opposed to the solid beam axle (if well designed) with only four links.

Roll axis is more complicated with a solid beam axle but can be designed for, i.e. with independant susupensions the roll center height is a direct measure of the lateral-verticle force coupling between the the sprung and unsprung weight. With a solid rear the vertical-lateral force is a function of the type and design of the lateral links.

You can never design a IRS with a roll center below ground level (roll center height is the force coupling effect of unsprung and sprug weight)

I could go on and on but I have yet to see a NitroMethane Funny Car running IRS............


You definitely know a lot more than I but I understand everything are you saying. I guess the "is it worth it" questions resides in the trade-off between straight line performance (solid axle) and sheer handling (IRS). What is greater: the loss in straight line performance and adjustability or the gain in cornering, etc.?????

I am fully aware IRS is no good for drag racing.

Its probaly a way for chrysler to increase handling capability w/out creating a loss in comfort that you would get with a stiffer suspension. Sounds to me like it will still be a 6.1L w/ all the same hardware just alot more newer trinkets - kinda like the 07 to 08 difference

And I also used heavy in Italics, none of those examples can compare to the Jeep weightwise.

Curb weight of the Cayenne Turbo S is a whopping 5192 lbs. My jeep is less than that with a full load of fuel and driver.

Now lets get into chassis dynamics, with a IRS the torque reaction is taken by the chassis

Yes, and that's why you want IRS in the first place, so it doesnt translate into unintended movement of the suspension.

The squat whether it be anti or not can be adjusted more easily in a side long arm than a IRS.

It may be harder to design anti-squat geometry in IRS, but thats simply a matter of mathematics; after its done, it works just the same, and there is no torque reaction to contend with... so the results are usually even better. The live axle gives me zero options for changing geometry. With an IRS, I can usually make every link adjustable using off the shelf parts.

Of course if they dont design in anti squat, then we're just screwed. Here's to hoping they don't put new guy on the IRS

You can never design a IRS with a roll center below ground level

It is my understanding that one can *only* achieve a roll center below ground level with IRS. With a live axle, it is almost always (as in our case) the at the center point in the middle of the axle.

I could go on and on but I have yet to see a NitroMethane Funny Car running IRS............

I think this has more to do with durability and cost than handling...

Curb weight of the Cayenne Turbo S is a whopping 5192 lbs. My jeep is less than that with a full load of fuel and driver.



Yes, and that's why you want IRS in the first place, so it doesnt translate into unintended movement of the suspension.

But the chassis must be made stronger, heavier. A well designed SLA will have every advantage of IRS without the weak points.

You haven't been following the LX cars half shaft and differential sagas have you? The quest is still on for a bulletproof differential/halfshaft replacement for their hybred Mercedes IRS. )




It may be harder to design anti-squat geometry in IRS, but thats simply a matter of mathematics; after its done, it works just the same, and there is no torque reaction to contend with... so the results are usually even better. The live axle gives me zero options for changing geometry. With an IRS, I can usually make every link adjustable using off the shelf parts.

Once the chassis mounts are welded in location, changing the link lengh won't help move the Instant Center nor Scrub

Of course if they dont design in anti squat, then we're just screwed. Here's to hoping they don't put new guy on the IRS

And you really think the Engineers will want the 2010 Jeep to Jack/Squat?
Look at the Jeep lauch as it is now, the rear squats like a female dog in heat, I was always wondering if you could get the rear to jack and move the CG foward what the launch would be like..



It is my understanding that one can *only* achieve a roll center below ground level with IRS. With a live axle, it is almost always (as in our case) the at the center point in the middle of the axle.

No it's alot more complicated than that. read thru Millikens Chassis desigh books



I think this has more to do with durability and cost than handling...

Well it's about the bottom line obviously as the SRT Engineers have stated in the past they pulled the big Dana 44 rear out of a parts bin.

For a most people they like a turnkey racecar, and IRS will probably fit the bill.
But the real gearheads hate IRS...... well maybe except Formula 1 and Indy but thats a whole other form of racing.


I guess to each it's own and I guess I'm not a fan of where the 2010 ++ Jeep GCSRT may be going ........(if it will exist at all)

Regardless. The competition cares about handling. Not just straight line. Which means if you want to be competitive you have to consider all aspects of performance.

You haven't been following the LX cars half shaft and differential sagas have you? The quest is still on for a bulletproof differential/halfshaft replacement for their hybred Mercedes IRS. )


Aw no really? There's no excuse for that kind of stuff IMO. It seems they dont have very good luck with the "hybrid Mercedes" approach. At least I havent broken the Dana 44, but then its not an LSD either.

How are the LX cars for wheel hop?

Once the chassis mounts are welded in location, changing the link lengh won't help move the Instant Center nor Scrub


Scrub I'm not too worried about, as I see maybe 3 inches of useful travel back there now. I can still move the pivots a fair amount with eccentric bushings, etc. Of course its better if they choose mount locations correctly in the first place.

With IRS I can get negative camber and toe; I have no (practical) way to do that today

And you really think the Engineers will want the 2010 Jeep to Jack/Squat?

I hope they will make it close to neutral so that it is possible to control / tune it with spring and damping rates... I can't imagine that the base model "WL" buyer wants crazy powerboat style weight transfer. As you point out, the WK is pretty squatty, but I have to set the rear to "go cart" when I go racing anyway

Any case anyone is still doubting whether or not the next gen GC is getting larger.... Here is more info to support it...unfortunately

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/14/spy-shots-2010-jeep-grand-cherokee-grows-grander/

"According to the latest spy shots and reports, the next Jeep Grand Cherokee looks prone to grow a bit grander. Once considered the sportscar of the SUV segment, the 2010 Grand Cherokee will have a noticeably longer wheelbase, longer rear overhang and likely third-row seating"

Should this be true I more than likely will NOT be buying one.

It comes down to weight. One of the things our rides having going for it is a low weight compared to other sport'uv's. I can deal with a 50lb increase for the srt model but if they slap on a couple hundred pounds than even with a 6.4L it will be a dog -especially since they dont seem to be upgrading anything mechanical outside the irs.

More info with some interesting quotes...

......The vehicle will carry more chunky and edgy fenders. I have been told it will look more like a Range Rover Sport with Jeep DNA on steroids!
Ugh.. Ok... :mad:


“The Grand Cherokee will bring in some Commander qualities and design cues (interior wise) and expect something beautiful to compete with the luxury bound Range Rover.”
Now that I can get on board with :D :D



http://www.allpar.com/trucks/jeep/2011-cherokee.html

ILl be surprised if they still make one come next year...maybe theyll put a pause in production and not change anything?
The changes will be dramatic, here's an unofficial updated list of what's in the current plans:

2nd generation Grand Cherokee SRT8

6.4L Hemi with MDS, ~500 hp; W5A580 transmission (possible summer/fall 2010 intro as 2011 model)
Active head restraints (designed to reduce the risk of whiplash injuries in low speed, rear-end collisions)
Active Noise Cancellation (interior noise reduction)
Adaptive Speed Control with Stop & Go feature
Air suspension system, adjustable (load level/height control)
Aluminum front axle
Blind spot detection
Command View Sunroof (power front, fixed rear)
Electronic Limited Slip Differential
Exterior (total redesign)
Heated steering wheel
Independent front and rear suspension
Interior (total redesign)
Keyless Go
Kicker audio (15-speakers w/sub, 506-w main amp)
Leather Trim Seats w/Preferred Suede (black/light frost beige)
MediaFLO Streaming Video
Next gen Kicker audio system
Power liftgate
Proximity Entry
Transfer case, SRT single speed
Ventilated front seats

ResumeSpeed..

You have made me a happy man!

as long as they don't depart too too much from the current exterior design.. I will 100% buy one! I am so excited!!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Horray for LSD

Keeping the W5A580 is a good move, now that we have an established upgrade path. Though I hesitate to say this, keeping the same TC might be nice also.

Not so excited about air suspension. The land rover people went through that, and I don't think they learned from it, but owners did. If it yields an easy to substitute / delete coilover strut configuration in the rear, I'd still be grateful.

The changes will be dramatic, here's an unofficial updated list of what's in the current plans:

2nd generation Grand Cherokee SRT8

6.4L Hemi with MDS, ~500 hp; W5A580 transmission (possible summer/fall 2010 intro as 2011 model)
Active head restraints (designed to reduce the risk of whiplash injuries in low speed, rear-end collisions)
Active Noise Cancellation (interior noise reduction)
Adaptive Speed Control with Stop & Go feature
Air suspension system, adjustable (load level/height control)
Aluminum front axle
Blind spot detection
Command View Sunroof (power front, fixed rear)
Electronic Limited Slip Differential
Exterior (total redesign)
Heated steering wheel
Independent front and rear suspension
Interior (total redesign)
Keyless Go
Kicker audio (15-speakers w/sub, 506-w main amp)
Leather Trim Seats w/Preferred Suede (black/light frost beige)
MediaFLO Streaming Video
Next gen Kicker audio system
Power liftgate
Proximity Entry
Transfer case, SRT single speed
Ventilated front seats

Sounds Great......on paper. I am not getting excited yet.

Any idea of curb weight? This could be one heavy beast.

Whats this SRT transfer case ??? is it the same one we have now or revamped ?

The changes will be dramatic, here's an unofficial updated list of what's in the current plans:

2nd generation Grand Cherokee SRT8

6.4L Hemi with MDS, ~500 hp; W5A580 transmission (possible summer/fall 2010 intro as 2011 model)
Active head restraints (designed to reduce the risk of whiplash injuries in low speed, rear-end collisions)
Active Noise Cancellation (interior noise reduction)
Adaptive Speed Control with Stop & Go feature
Air suspension system, adjustable (load level/height control)
Aluminum front axle
Blind spot detection
Command View Sunroof (power front, fixed rear)
Electronic Limited Slip Differential
Exterior (total redesign)
Heated steering wheel
Independent front and rear suspension
Interior (total redesign)
Keyless Go
Kicker audio (15-speakers w/sub, 506-w main amp)
Leather Trim Seats w/Preferred Suede (black/light frost beige)
MediaFLO Streaming Video
Next gen Kicker audio system
Power liftgate
Proximity Entry
Transfer case, SRT single speed
Ventilated front seats


How good is your source?

^ Lmao! ;)

I'll have to get on the list to get one below invoice =x

I'll have to get on the list to get one below invoice =x

what list is that?? PM if u have too :)

God damn. I'm not really likin how curvy it is, but from reading that article I didnt get the feeling that was the srt8? I thought it said it was the regular GC. Am I missing something here?

But, if the 2010 SRT8 gottsa 6.4l 500 horses... Damn i might just have to wait until next year to buy a jeep.

Anyone with CREDIBLE sources have non camo pics of it?

no non camo pics out yet---

I did get some info today that the WL SRT hood "may" be different from the regular WL hood-----

dont take that for truth...yet!

Im still waiting on my 2009, 1 month till delivery :rolleyes:. The new SRT8 will be 2011 for sure, we should get the 2009 and use it 2 years. Depends on the design, I hope they dont do it fugly and bigger like a trailblazer SS or denali :D

Active Noise Cancellation (interior noise reduction)

So are we talking more weight being added to the rig due to extra padding.. or is this some kind of electronic "cool-tech-like-bose-headphones" deal. :)

-- Sal

I tell you one thing guys. The 6.4L and the new pcm/tcm involved with it will take YEARS to develop a tune for. If you want a quicker stock jeep than go for it. If you want to slap on a vortech and blow doors off than forget it. That platform will be so untouchable It wont even be funny. I want to know though if the same transfer case will be used.

So are we talking more weight being added to the rig due to extra padding.. or is this some kind of electronic "cool-tech-like-bose-headphones" deal.

The "active" and "cancellation" parts indicate electronics. Dampening material, insulation, isolators, etc. are all usually passive absorbers, not active cancellers. Good move IMO; this a potentially serious weight saver.

Just because this thing is as big as a house doesn't mean it has to be heavy... or even as heavy as the current vehicle. If they put serious effort behind interior materials and design, sheet metal, and driveline, they could probably shed 200-300 lbs from the new rig.

They may show it at the NY auto show in April,... I'll def. go there to see it

The changes will be dramatic, here's an unofficial updated list of what's in the current plans:

2nd generation Grand Cherokee SRT8

6.4L Hemi with MDS, ~500 hp; W5A580 transmission (possible summer/fall 2010 intro as 2011 model)
Active head restraints (designed to reduce the risk of whiplash injuries in low speed, rear-end collisions)
Active Noise Cancellation (interior noise reduction)
Adaptive Speed Control with Stop & Go feature
Air suspension system, adjustable (load level/height control)
Aluminum front axle
Blind spot detection
Command View Sunroof (power front, fixed rear)
Electronic Limited Slip Differential
Exterior (total redesign)
Heated steering wheel
Independent front and rear suspension
Interior (total redesign)
Keyless Go
Kicker audio (15-speakers w/sub, 506-w main amp)
Leather Trim Seats w/Preferred Suede (black/light frost beige)
MediaFLO Streaming Video
Next gen Kicker audio system
Power liftgate
Proximity Entry
Transfer case, SRT single speed
Ventilated front seats


They make it in Inferno Red and the Charger goes in for a trade and I get back into a Jeep!

Ill be patiently awaiting its release and soon after the purchase. I remember when I first got my Jeep (one of the first BTW) and all the HARD CORE Jeep guys were whining how it was ugly blah blah blah, nobody is saying how ugly the WK is now are they? The same will happen with the new platform.

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Ill be patiently awaiting its release and soon after the purchase. I remember when I first got my Jeep (one of the first BTW) and all the HARD CORE Jeep guys were whining how it was ugly blah blah blah, nobody is saying how ugly the WK is now are they? The same will happen with the new platform.

+1.......You and I have both been around a while, and I recall some of those comments also. I too am patiently/anxiously awaiting the arrival of a serious redesign with some interesting new features, hopefully no later than 2011.

If I'm not taking the "eternal dirt nap" by then I'll be jumping in for a new one.

+1.......You and I have both been around a while, and I recall some of those comments also. I too am patiently/anxiously awaiting the arrival of a serious redesign with some interesting new features, hopefully no later than 2011.

If I'm not taking the "eternal dirt nap" by then I'll be jumping in for a new one.

Ted seems like ages ago that we had them brand new in our driveways my friend.

Great to see your still around and the Jeep is running well.

Sorry to dig out an old thread but...

The SRT8 details for 2011 are gone from wkjeeps - any one have any idea why!? Resume, care to chime in?

^ maybe the scrapped it :eek:

I think that our beloved GCSRT8's are about to split the market. They seem to be going the way of the Cayenne. More power, much more weight, same or less performance. I like the raw, uncut Jeep with a Hemi. I don't want a Porsche or a Mercedes. From what I am reading, I will keep my 07. I would have liked to see a 500hp motor, LSD, upgraded interior materials, and that's it. The rest is unnecessary. IRS??? Who can rely on that? I'd be counting my hard launches and holding my breath for the last one. I love knowing that old school Dana 44 is back there, riding rough and simple. I'm coming from an Audi, and I think my Strayt could out corner it all day, live axle and all. Power liftgate??? please. that's weight I don't need. My back still works. Air ride???? Never. Compressor, bags, related hardware.... What are they doing to us? I'll get a Q7 for my wife. I want the muscle truck that can carve canyons and pull hills with the best of them.

This is another "change" I can't beleive in...

All great comments, I will reserve mine til I see the next model.. if it comes out

I think that our beloved GCSRT8's are about to split the market. They seem to be going the way of the Cayenne. More power, much more weight, same or less performance. I like the raw, uncut Jeep with a Hemi. I don't want a Porsche or a Mercedes. From what I am reading, I will keep my 07. I would have liked to see a 500hp motor, LSD, upgraded interior materials, and that's it. The rest is unnecessary. IRS??? Who can rely on that? I'd be counting my hard launches and holding my breath for the last one. I love knowing that old school Dana 44 is back there, riding rough and simple. I'm coming from an Audi, and I think my Strayt could out corner it all day, live axle and all. Power liftgate??? please. that's weight I don't need. My back still works. Air ride???? Never. Compressor, bags, related hardware.... What are they doing to us? I'll get a Q7 for my wife. I want the muscle truck that can carve canyons and pull hills with the best of them.

This is another "change" I can't beleive in...

The semi-unrefined feel of the WK SRT8 is something I like too, but demographics would suggest otherwise. If not, they'd keep the Jeep as is and add just a few things. They're civilizing a vehicle that shouldn't be civilized.

Sorry to dig out an old thread but...

The SRT8 details for 2011 are gone from wkjeeps - any one have any idea why!? Resume, care to chime in?


BUMP!!!


Resume, care to comment on no SRT8 model/6.4 or even 6.1L mention for 2011? See link

http://www.wkjeeps.com/future_Jeeps.htm#1011GRAND

BUMP!!!


Resume, care to comment on no SRT8 model/6.4 or even 6.1L mention for 2011? See link

http://www.wkjeeps.com/future_Jeeps.htm#1011GRAND

is this the kind of news it takes to get you out of retirement?? :D

is this the kind of news it takes to get you out of retirement?? :D

I know its the only thing keeping me on this site :)

besides the fact that i'm still obsessed :(

-- Sal

is this the kind of news it takes to get you out of retirement?? :D

LOL!!!! :D

I will be looking to get in on the 2011's if they are indeed built.

I sure do miss my beast, but at least my "Official (wink wink) Spotted Thread" is still going strong. Nearing 1,000 posts and 100 pages :eek:

I'm around more often then one might think, just don't post much anymore. Man the Laredo is weak (even with the 4.7L) but at least I talked the wife into purchasing a 2007 335I :cool:

BUMP!!!
Resume, care to comment on no SRT8 model/6.4 or even 6.1L mention for 2011?
The 2011 Grand Cherokee SRT8 is now "under review". Trying to get some confirmed information as to whether they are going to keep the Jeep SRT8 in the future product plans. Some internal documents still have it listed, some don't...

^^LOL...I love the info Resume has!!!...and just like that, hes gone!

...and just like that, hes gone!
Where did I go???

My 2 cents: Offer a manual. I don't care what it is, Corvette, Mustang, Challenger etc. If it's an automatic it's not a performance vehicle. Driving an automatic is lame. Some of the new dual style drivetrains like those found on the Nissan GT-R are changing the industry, except a standard auto drive train leaves alot to be desired. even our SRT selectible trannies aren't that impressive. Nothing like smashing the gas and engaging a clutch.

The 2011 Grand Cherokee SRT8 is now "under review". Trying to get some confirmed information as to whether they are going to keep the Jeep SRT8 in the future product plans. Some internal documents still have it listed, some don't...

development of the 11' SRT hood may be stopped as well------

My 2 cents: Offer a manual. I don't care what it is, Corvette, Mustang, Challenger etc. If it's an automatic it's not a performance vehicle. Driving an automatic is lame. Some of the new dual style drivetrains like those found on the Nissan GT-R are changing the industry, except a standard auto drive train leaves alot to be desired. even our SRT selectible trannies aren't that impressive. Nothing like smashing the gas and engaging a clutch.

That's what my '03 blown Cobra is for. I want to beat the **** out of that, not my DD Jeep.

An reliable SRT source within Chrysler told me several weeks ago that the 6.4L wouldn't be installed in the WK and that the SRT8 Jeep is going away after MY2010. When this thread started I wondered if his information was faulty but it seems he might be right after all.

An reliable SRT source within Chrysler told me several weeks ago that the 6.4L wouldn't be installed in the WK and that the SRT8 Jeep is going away after MY2010. When this thread started I wondered if his information was faulty but it seems he might be right after all.

With a world wide recession upon us, job uncertainty, bailouts, high fuel prices and Obama's push for alternate and greener vehicles I am not surprised to see this vehicle line get the axe. Its too bad because the ride was fun while it lasted.

All I can say now is.... keep stocking replacement parts because I am going to keep my 08 for as long as I can!!

Long live the GCSRT8!!

Gawddimit!

I was really looking forward to the 2011. I hope Chrysler doesn't pull the plug.

Can you say collecters items? I see the way of the 1970 cuda :)

I'll be putting this bad boy up at the B/A in 2037 for a cool 5 mill. I'm thinking inflation here!

The 2011 Grand Cherokee SRT8 is now "under review".

And just like that, I can't buy an American car again.

Well, I guess its now time to spruce this baby up and rip open the wallet more! LOL.

IMO I don't think 2010s will be built... and the 2009s will be the most "collectable" since the production numbers are extremely low... only 659 total production through December 12th according to WK Jeeps...

384 Black
131 Silver
84 Red Rock
61 Modern Blue

http://www.wkjeeps.com/wk_srt8_distribution.htm

Since they're giving away the 2009s right now, I can't see them building out inventory on 2010s just to post more losses on slow movers. I think they'll review and assess current parts inventory, last time buys and get ready to harvest the GCSRT8...

its not cost effective for a car company to keep replacement parts such as the tcase, trans, etc for our rides (jeepsrt8) with production numbers under 1k. The jeep will be gone after '09.

Good thing we got Bill. Just have to upgrade when things go south!

its not cost effective for a car company to keep replacement parts such as the tcase, trans, etc for our rides (jeepsrt8) with production numbers under 1k. The jeep will be gone after '09.
Legally, they have to keep parts available for x number of years. ONE of the reasons that '09 production numbers are so low for the Jeep (and the 300C/Charger) is that a high allocation of 6.1 engines is going to the Challenger (>16,000 SRT8 Challengers built in the last 9 months).

With a world wide recession upon us, job uncertainty, bailouts, high fuel prices and Obama's push for alternate and greener vehicles I am not surprised to see this vehicle line get the axe. Its too bad because the ride was fun while it lasted.

All I can say now is.... keep stocking replacement parts because I am going to keep my 08 for as long as I can!!

Long live the GCSRT8!!

I agree 100%.

This global warning nonsense is killing off the good cars. They blamed us for global cooling in the 70's, now this. I'm grabbing up all the SRT8's I can find. One day, these things will be like the mid-60's hot rods are now.

Welcome to the 70's and Jimmy Carter all over again:(

I agree 100%.

This global warning nonsense is killing off the good cars. They blamed us for global cooling in the 70's, now this. I'm grabbing up all the SRT8's I can find. One day, these things will be like the mid-60's hot rods are now.

Welcome to the 70's and Jimmy Carter all over again:(

Those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it...Damn libs.:mad:

^ iunno guys - i wouldnt mind watching the oil sheiks squirming as we stop importation of their only product.

Legally, they have to keep parts available for x number of years. ONE of the reasons that '09 production numbers are so low for the Jeep (and the 300C/Charger) is that a high allocation of 6.1 engines is going to the Challenger (>16,000 SRT8 Challengers built in the last 9 months).

I was told 10 years----

I agree 100%.

This global warning nonsense is killing off the good cars. They blamed us for global cooling in the 70's, now this. I'm grabbing up all the SRT8's I can find. One day, these things will be like the mid-60's hot rods are now.

Welcome to the 70's and Jimmy Carter all over again:(

One thing is for certain, after owning my 2009 for a tad over a month now, I can honestly say this is history repeating itself when housing, gas prices and unemployment went throught the roof and our economy was at a low point in the mid-70s.

I took my buddy for a ride in the SRT... we've both owned 1968-69 L78 big blocks with M-21/22 4-speeds.. I had the Camaro, he had a Nova... and comparing against the SRT, this is the most fun we've had with a new factory muscle car since the early-70s.

My buddy has his old time slips when he ran his Nova in 1968 and posted 1/4 mile runs similar to a stock GCSRT8 -- and that's with cheater slicks.

1st I was :fu: :notsigned: now i'm like :cry: :crbaby:

-- Sal

1st I was :fu: :notsigned: now i'm like :cry: :crbaby:

-- Sal

Me too, I wish I had'nt read all this, I feel really down now:(

How many years does a company, that is bankrupted and no longer exists, have to keep making parts?

that would have to mean that ChryCo would go belly up and all the suppliers as well.

Chrylser wont go belly up. Cerebrus will cut and cut and cut out every single model/brand that can't sell to an international audience untill you probally only have the jeep wrangler and cherokee left and than they will easily sell that off to whomever. Alot of companies have their eye's pinned on just Jeep and nothing else.

i know this make me legit like tear up :cry:, my favoirte car and i dont even have my hands on one yet, someone may end getting jacked when it comes down to it hahaha j/k but seriously:mad:

i hope we dont really have to say bye to the srt8s, :bye: maybe there will be some re-thought although agree with what everyone is saying, the economic times along with the global warming and everyones weak opinions, people are so easily swayed. I bet everyone wants a ***** ass hybrid in like 5 years, no one appreciate automotive engineering or mechanics nowdays, an 8000hp Hemi is pretty impressive along with even our relatively small 6.1's its this stuff we need to promote and teach kids about, start getting more of these made efficiently and affordably, thatd be quite an accomplishment.

...my favorite car and i dont even have my hands on one yet...
http://markontheworld.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/the-end.jpg

http://markontheworld.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/the-end.jpg

Sad, very sad. :cry:

Sad, very sad. :cry:
"It's not over until the fat lady sings"... and the fat lady is STILL in the choir...

I don't think so. I will be shocked if they bring back the SRT. There is no room in the economy for our rides anymore. Boys and girls this is going to get ALOT worst before it gets any better. I'm just glad I got one.

I don't think so. I will be shocked if they bring back the SRT. There is no room in the economy for our rides anymore. Boys and girls this is going to get ALOT worst before it gets any better. I'm just glad I got one.

I so agree. I am happy that I have one as well.

IF RESUMESPEED says the end is near, believe it. I would not be surprised if they pull the plug after the 09 run. With sales soft, why would you want to run one more year and risk having inventory sitting around EVEN if you are going to make a vehicle that is already tooled and set up on the assembly line. Just does not make sense.

My prediction, no more GCSRT8 after 09.

My internal sources still show a listing for a 2010 model year Grand Cherokee SRT8. 2010 is going to be a short model year as the Jefferson plant is shutting down this fall for a major overhaul. All of the R&D is done, Chrysler would not lose money if they were to run a limited quantity of 2010 models as they have done for 2009 (~1000 units projected).

Well Dodge is keeping the Power Wagon version of the 2500 Ram, and that is another vehicle that people were thinking would get the axe. It is a low production "niche" vehicle like the GCSRT8, that also likes to drink lots of dino juice.

Getting rid of SRT would make economical sense for Chrysler (but no sense for all their loyal customers, like us). Only because they don't make much money off this line to begin with - low production #'s, niche market. Corvette is the same way but GM will NEVER EVER get rid of them.

So in the end SRT becomes sort of a 'sacrifical lamb' in that the least profitable parts of the business go first...too bad.

And by the way...GLOBAL WARMING IS A MYTH!!!!

http://markontheworld.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/the-end.jpg


R.S. If the end is near how come you had mentioned on previous posts that the new generation SRT would put the current SRT line to shame. I remember you listed a 6.4L with MDS going into the new SRT line. Did I miss something in the interim? I guess I have to go through every single page on the thread to catch up.

R.S. If the end is near how come you had mentioned on previous posts that the new generation SRT would put the current SRT line to shame. I remember you listed a 6.4L with MDS going into the new SRT line. Did I miss something in the interim? I guess I have to go through every single page on the thread to catch up.

See Resume's reply to me in post #105. That should answer your question, the answer, isn't good.

See Resume's reply to me in post #105. That should answer your question, the answer, isn't good.
The jury is still out, the decision could go either way. It's also possible that they would skip 2011 model year for the Jeep SRT8 and bring it back for 2012.


R.S. If the end is near how come you had mentioned on previous posts that the new generation SRT would put the current SRT line to shame. I remember you listed a 6.4L with MDS going into the new SRT line. Did I miss something in the interim? I guess I have to go through every single page on the thread to catch up.
Plans change, especially with the current turmoil in the industry. However, in regards to a next-gen Jeep SRT8, nothing can be positively ruled in or out at this time.

The 6.4L engine is alive and well, and is in fact going through final stages of certification and tuning. As it currently stands, it it set to debut in the 2011 Challenger, followed by the 2012 300C and 2012 Charger.

The jury is still out, the decision could go either way. It's also possible that they would skip 2011 model year for the Jeep SRT8 and bring it back for 2012.



Sounds good. The skipping of the 2011 year would work for me. I can hold off until 2012.

Just in case anyone is subscribed to this thread and has not seen this::

http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24750

-- Sal

Saw this speculative 2011 WK on Allpar, looks more like what an SRT8 should look like.

http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/44324/2775347110105017341S600x600Q85.jpg