Well I had a little pet project going to see what can be done for lowering. As many have giped and grumbled before about the reasons why anyone would want to lower the already curb scrubing beast,the answer for me was how fast can I get something done.

The kit is a standard Eibach Prokit, part #2839.140 for a 2005-06 WK Cherokee. Now they CLEARLY state "Not for SRT8" on thier website and since I am a bit of a gambler I went ahead and order some to butcher up and install.

Well let me tell you that the finished product was really easily accomplished, the rears were first, as they are the easiest to do, NO mods were done to the Eibach rears, they were just dropped in. The fronts were going to be the fun ones, the overall Eibach front springs are talled uncompressed, but they do have a different spring rate so them and the back actually look taller, till you get them in. The fronts were cut 1 coil, nothing serious, since they are progressively wound there was arguabley zero difference from uncut in ride.
Speaking of ride, you can really flick it into turns now and drive the truck that extra 20% to the edge........so little body roll that stuff in my center console that never moves was all over the truck now.

Well the pics are of a very dirty truck but you get the idea. The front came down 2 1/4" and the rear 2", still has a very suttle rake, but a killer, pissed off stance.:)

http://www.putfile.com/srtate/images/73393

looks great! Get some outdoor shots. I bet a lot of people will follow in your footsteps.

BTW Is that carbon fiber next to your headlights stock??

looks great! Get some outdoor shots. I bet a lot of people will follow in your footsteps.

BTW Is that carbon fiber next to your headlights stock??


Weather is kinda the s**ts right now so till it gets better and I can wash it you will all have to look at my dirty pics:cool:

The front signal covers are silver carbon fiber, they match the interior silver carbon dash kit inside, and the rear fog covers in carbon also

Cool! Thanks for posting!

Maybe I read it wrong... How did Eibach lower the rear of your car 2"? They site says no more than 1.25" and you are already lower than a regular WK.

Maybe I read it wrong... How did Eibach lower the rear of your car 2"? They site says no more than 1.25" and you are already lower than a regular WK.


this has been the 4 th set of Eibachs I have had on as many cars, and their measurements are always short, the tolerances if all the springs they make a close but some are more and some are less. I am waitning another week and will yake new pics and measure cause they will settle more, not much maybe 1/2 to 5/8". My 98 talon was claimed to be a 1.8" drop and by the time it settled it was just shy of 3 inches total.

Mind if I ask how you did those headlight covers?

Looks great btw.

Mind if I ask how you did those headlight covers?

Looks great btw.

Went on ebay and found a sheet of silver carbon, made a rough copy with a manila envelope as a trace and cut out the carbon, used black double sided tape and away we go, did the same for the fog lights in lower bumper in the back.

Question. Could your guy cut some Eibach's up for me?

If you can please post more pics ...if possible post a before and after picture so we can really see the diference ...i am deff thinking about doing the same thing....please post them up ASAP>>>>thanks:D

I've had exactly the same experiences with Eibach lowering springs. The 2 sets I've used BOTH got much more drop than advertised.

Question. Could your guy cut some Eibach's up for me?

Honestly it was 1 min a spring with a cutoff wheel and he was done, a hack-saw and some elbow grease would get it done also.

If you can please post more pics ...if possible post a before and after picture so we can really see the diference ...i am deff thinking about doing the same thing....please post them up ASAP>>>>thanks:D


Here is the stupid thing..i forgot to take before, I was so pumped it slipped my mind, as the techs were checking out the springs for themselves, it click in that I should be documenting this. Just measure your front and rear wheel gap from top of the tire to the fender lip and post it and I will go do the same and then you can compare, should be the result you want because I assume yours is on stock springs.

It looks sweet, but where I live I'd be pushing gravel, snow, dirt, potholes, you name it. :)

Ok here's what makes more sense to me, I measured the distance from the fender lip to the rim center, in the middle of the JEEP.

The fronts are 17" on the nose and the rears are 18 1/8"

Hope that helps on the amount of drop. If someone can measure thiers the same way and post the # stock we can all have a starting point.

Thanks for pioneering. Could you please post a profile picture?

Thanks for pioneering. Could you please post a profile picture?

Will see what the weather is like tommorrow and wash it, then will take new pics, clean pics.

How much material did you remove from the rear bump stops or did you have to remove them completely?? I have shaved 3/8 inch from mine b/c of the bottoming out episodes with the OEM springs. BTW, nice work.

Lookin good!

How much material did you remove from the rear bump stops or did you have to remove them completely?? I have shaved 3/8 inch from mine b/c of the bottoming out episodes with the OEM springs. BTW, nice work.

Oh yah.....forgot that part, the rear bump stops were cut 3/4" ,and the fronts have a small notch all the way around them it's about 7/8" from the end, so thats where we cut them.

Thanxs

Oh yah.....forgot that part, the rear bump stops were cut 3/4" ,and the fronts have a small notch all the way around them it's about 7/8" from the end, so thats where we cut them.

Thanxs


in stock form, the suspension only has about 2-3 inches of bump stop clearance. if it was lowered, wouldn't you be hitting the bump stops constantly (even with the trimming)?

how is the ride...honestly?

thanks!

in stock form, the suspension only has about 2-3 inches of bump stop clearance. if it was lowered, wouldn't you be hitting the bump stops constantly (even with the trimming)?

how is the ride...honestly?

thanks!

Honestly the ride is better than stock IMOA......the ass end plants better on uneven road and the launch from a stop seems to pick up better.....spins all 4 tires through almost all lights I have tried, I guess its because of the stiffer spring rate of the rears and the truck not squating back so hard.......if you check your stock set up most will see that indeed the stock bump stops make contact regularily........with the new springs being slighly high spring rates and progressively wound in the middle of the coil stack they are just as or less likely to make any contact now.

Honestly the ride is better than stock IMOA......the ass end plants better on uneven road and the launch from a stop seems to pick up better.....spins all 4 tires through almost all lights I have tried, I guess its because of the stiffer spring rate of the rears and the truck not squating back so hard.......if you check your stock set up most will see that indeed the stock bump stops make contact regularily........with the new springs being slighly high spring rates and progressively wound in the middle of the coil stack they are just as or less likely to make any contact now.
I am glad you fielded that bump stop question, I guess he hasn't looked at the rear bump stops,they only have about 1/2 clearance with the OEM setup.

Sagbachs anyone?

How difficult are these springs to install. I'm intermediate with installs on my car could this be done on my own or would that be a bad idea?

How difficult are these springs to install. I'm intermediate with installs on my car could this be done on my own or would that be a bad idea?

a spring compressor is a must, ahcksaw to cut the front coils and bump stops, but other than that, some elbow grease and patience is all you need......if you do it make sure to get a wheel alignment, has about 2 degree's of toe in that needs to be corrected, or it'll scrub the front tires off.

PM sent, jerthehair.

Please pm me a side stance of the truck and if you have a before and after!!! Thank You...I'm doing this for sure...I don't like gaps on girls let alone my truck...all gaps must be minimal for gratification...MAN LAW!!!

Do you wanna sell your stock SRT8 Springs?

I am impatiently waiting for more pics (and my 08 GC I ordered yesterday). I your opinion, if you only installed the rears, would the stance of the truck be level?

I am impatiently waiting for more pics (and my 08 GC I ordered yesterday). I your opinion, if you only installed the rears, would the stance of the truck be level?

You ordered an '08?

Alex

Yeah, I am going through Diplomatic auto sales. They say it won't be built until June when the 08 run starts with an estimated delivery in Spain of July 23rd - Aug 9th. I went with a delayed order because I wanted a couple options only on 08's and I have to keep my car for 1 year here in Spain before I can sell it. My BMW is already sold and I have the cleared funds, just waiting to transfer the title. I am not supposed to disclose our pricing, but here are a couple tidbits. SRT option I only went up $365 and included the Zenon headlights and tilt/tele wheel. These prices are subject to change, but it gives you guys and idea. There is no nav update for Europe so I'll just use my Garmin Nuvi.

I am impatiently waiting for more pics (and my 08 GC I ordered yesterday). I your opinion, if you only installed the rears, would the stance of the truck be level?

It would be a little risky assuming the 08 is the same as my 06, I would wait till the truck arrives. As far as just the rear springs the stance would be closer to level, but in my opinion the slight rake looks meaner. As far as pics go I apoligize, but life gets busy, and I have the cam install pics up.:cool:

Yeah, I am going through Diplomatic auto sales. They say it won't be built until June when the 08 run starts with an estimated delivery in Spain of July 23rd - Aug 9th. I went with a delayed order because I wanted a couple options only on 08's and I have to keep my car for 1 year here in Spain before I can sell it. My BMW is already sold and I have the cleared funds, just waiting to transfer the title. I am not supposed to disclose our pricing, but here are a couple tidbits. SRT option I only went up $365 and included the Zenon headlights and tilt/tele wheel. These prices are subject to change, but it gives you guys and idea. There is no nav update for Europe so I'll just use my Garmin Nuvi.

Cool, my brother is with the foreign service and has gotten nice deals through diplomatic auto sales.

Alex

The deal seems pretty good to me. I don't know what employee discount is, but I am coming in at about $40,085 with opt 1 & moonroof. The cool thing is the taxes. There are none. When I roll back to the US, I pay sales tax based on the current NADA value and being a California non-resident military I only have to pay $40 for plates and reg. and don't pay any emissions fees or gas guzzler.
I plan on putting a Volant on because it is made by AFE (who I know to be top-notch), a Magnaflow setup and I hope JL Audio has a stealthbox setup ready soon.
Funny thing, dip. sales says they have not exported any GC SRT8's to Spain, and my Spanish dealer here can only order Vipers in the SRT line, so I may have the only one in Spain. Pretty cool.

Can you answer my PM please?

Level? Hell no, the rake rocks.

Well the pics are of a very dirty truck but you get the idea. The front came down 2 1/4" and the rear 2", still has a very suttle rake, but a killer, pissed off stance.:)

http://www.putfile.com/srtate/images/73393

Any recent pics of the suspension settled down???

im lowering mine on friday when i install my headers!!! im super nervous. i will let everyone know how it goes.

im lowering mine on friday when i install my headers!!! im super nervous. i will let everyone know how it goes.

Are you using the standard GC lowering springs from Eibach? (PN 2839.140)

Are you using the standard GC lowering springs from Eibach? (PN 2839.140)

no Im not convinced about that kit working. i am cutting my stock springs.

Cutting springs in not good in any way shape or form. You have to make the shocks work with the change in hight rate ect.

I have done this mod to several vehicles in my late teens, you are bound to blow shocks or adversely effect handling.

Cutting springs in not good in any way shape or form. You have to make the shocks work with the change in hight rate ect.

I have done this mod to several vehicles in my late teens, you are bound to blow shocks or adversely effect handling.

any other opinions on this cutting... should i not?

any other opinions on this cutting... should i not?

If you don't care about the performance impact, or the effect it has on parts like shocks go for it.

If you do, wait until someone comes up with a coilover system that's designed for the vehicle.

That's how I'd do it, but YMMV.

Alex

If you don't care about the performance impact, or the effect it has on parts like shocks go for it.

If you do, wait until someone comes up with a coilover system that's designed for the vehicle.

That's how I'd do it, but YMMV.

Alex

Everyone needs to care.

If you bottom out a shock a few to many times or one good pot hole, then detach the internals of the shock the next bump you hit the axle will over extend letting your cut spring pop out and put you in the ditch.
The odds of this happening are slim but possible anyway.

Understanding how the suspension works and how someone could get carried away with "it looks good but if it was only an inch lower" this is a recipe for disaster.

Its has been along time since i studied suspension dynamics, so this is my educated opinion. Plus Jerry rigging a 45k car is just stupid IMO.

You need to care.

If you bottom out a shock a few to many times or one good pot hole, then detach the internals of the shock the next bump you hit the axle will over extend letting your cut spring pop out and put you in the ditch.
The odds of this happening are slim but possible anyway.

Understanding how the suspension works and how someone could get carried away with "it looks good but if it was only an inch lower" this is a recipe for disaster.

Its has been along time since i studied suspension dynamics, so this is my educated opinion. Plus Jerry rigging a 45k car is just stupid IMO.

I'm absolutely with you there. IMO cutting has always been the No Money solution to true coilovers. In our case, it's a matter of waiting for a real vendor to sell them.

Alex

We need to start making phone calls to these guys and get the Coil overs kickin.

Problem is it will be a adjustable shock, damp,rebound ect with a separate hight adjustable spring for the rear. I have not looked at the front yet but I hope for a true coil over.

To each his own, my truck, my risk.....just to let everyone know.....throw 2 people in the front seats of the truck, and maybe just one in the back seat. Grab a small handfull of dust or whatever driveway dirt you have lying round and toss it on the shock shaft on the rears (easier to get to), go for a quick squirt in the truck for a couple of blocks, regular stops and a normal small bumps.........long story short....you will see that the stock bump stops will have marks on them telling me that they ride regularily on the bumps. When I swapped my rears with the Eibachs the stock bumps were very beat-up...stock springs and very, very few rear seat passengers. The fronts were nearly identical in markings in the lower strut area were the bumps have impacted repeatedly. Another note to consider is that the Eibachs I used are Pro-kit springs...progressively wound...tighter center spring rate....top and bottom wound springs are stock rates, the one coil that I removed was from this stock wound rate of coils....rides better than stock...also the Eibachs are ment for the reg GC which has 1 1/8" longer shock shafts and travel overall through a longer stroke that our SRT shocks.......The suspension guys that I used figured it would give a much better compress/rebound control than cutting the already "to short" (compared to the GC springs) SRT springs........side note the truck has not settled any further since the install, an still tight as a snare drum:D

Problem is it will be a adjustable shock, damp,rebound ect with a separate hight adjustable spring for the rear. I have not looked at the front yet but I hope for a true coil over.

No need to get double adjustables. A nice single adjustable Koni would be just fine for me.

Alex

Grab a small handfull of dust or whatever driveway dirt you have lying round and toss it on the shock shaft on the rears (easier to get to), go for a quick squirt in the truck for a couple of blocks, regular stops and a normal small bumps

Point made. The idea is to keep dirt, sand, etc out of the shock. There are sensitive o-rings through out the the chamber. In racing there is a gauge that is mounted on the piston rod to measure travel.

Please everyone do not go putting a layer of sand or dirt or powder on the Rod.

But then again it is your vehicle you can do as you wish... Just trying to HELP:(

Cutting springs in not good in any way shape or form.

Agreed!!!!

alright. I love this web site, great people great info. i will not cut my stock springs. thnks guys

I think you should bag it :) I wish I had the guts to do it. It would look so slick.

http://www.truckblog.com/gallery/ge2/19032.jpg

I actually watched a show that put the same vehicles head to head, one with an air bag suspension the other stock or modified suspension. The air bags beat all the stocker and kept up with the Standard suspension upgrades. I would still like to drive it to feel for myself. But worth a try if the price is right.

I've had bags on a few rides and they are outstanding. I just personally wouldn't do it to the Jeep because of it's low front facia.

oh boo hoo! you guys want lower lol! i am stock 1" higher and than we have eibachs that only lower us 1"... talk about bummer... :(

i am stock 1" higher

I'm guessing you drive a GC???:confused:

and than we have eibachs that only lower us 1"

:confused:

yes he does

I would love just for a nice progressive rate spring to lower around 1" and 1.5" in the rear. Eibach, please? I would love that small lowering and how bout some beefier sway bars?

This thing needs to be lowered. my bud parked his lowered srt10 truck next to my jeep and my ride looked like ****...ill do bags...how much and where.

This is terrible that the SRT-10 Ram Quad Cab can be dropped, but our Jeeps can't. :(

How much drop in the drop would you expect if you had not cut the coil?

Ok here's what makes more sense to me, I measured the distance from the fender lip to the rim center, in the middle of the JEEP.

The fronts are 17" on the nose and the rears are 18 1/8"

Hope that helps on the amount of drop. If someone can measure thiers the same way and post the # stock we can all have a starting point.

Mine is stock and I measured 18 1/4'' front and 19 1/4'' rear
Claude

So have we had a long term update on the ride quality of the lowered SRT? I wanna drop mine a little, and from the above numbers, its less than an inch and a half...perfect. So lets hear it, how does it ride? Does it smash the bump stops on bumps? Cornering?