: Supercharger or Turbo?
greatone61 12-27-2008, 10:38 AM Fellas,
I'm looking to make a purchase of either a supercharger or a turbo for my Jeep. Paulie's been making the Vortech look real good, but after looking at all these turbo's out its a hard choice. Can you guys make suggestions and give a rough estimate of cost? The motor will remain stock for now, but simple mods like headers, exhaust will be made. Thanks.
ROADRACINGSRT8 12-27-2008, 10:39 AM Theres tons of info on this topic...do a search. The vortech kit looks promising
JJJ93z 12-27-2008, 11:28 AM Low budget- N20
Med budget- Supercharger
High-Unlimited budget - Turbo
Do a search, there is no simple answer.
08srt8Calgary 12-27-2008, 11:36 AM No simple answer but ^^^that is pretty damn good, and very accurate.
oman srt8 12-27-2008, 11:55 AM i will go with turbo :);)
YoungMedic23 12-27-2008, 12:56 PM I like having a blower because the install is much less involved......no pipes all over the place...and less heat.....
No doubt turbos perform the best but i wasn't willing to cut up by Borla for all the piping
Carl Spackler 12-27-2008, 01:33 PM Low budget- N20
Med budget- Supercharger
High-Unlimited budget - Turbo
Do a search, there is no simple answer.
the above is dead on. here are some more specifics.
nos is fun for a while but then over time it becomes a pain when you want to use it and your bottle is empty, low or the valve is closed. it cant be beat tho for the cheapest was into the 11's at the track.
we have been getting great results with the vortech blower on our challengers. with headers and our fuel system we are getting consistently 530 rw hp. that is a lot of power for the money and they have been super reliable too.
stroker motors are good too for those who like NA.
turbo is ultimate power at the highest price. so it depends on how fast you really want to go. none of the other upgrades have the kick in the stomach feel of the turbo. a well built and tuned turbo jeep is really impressive.
at the end of the day, i would say that the blower option is going to offer the best real world performance for the dollar. other opinions may vary.
BuilderBill 12-27-2008, 01:40 PM the above is dead on. here are some more specifics.
nos is fun for a while but then over time it becomes a pain when you want to use it and your bottle is empty, low or the valve is closed. it cant be beat tho for the cheapest was into the 11's at the track.
we have been getting great results with the vortech blower on our challengers. with headers and our fuel system we are getting consistently 530 rw hp. that is a lot of power for the money and they have been super reliable too.
stroker motors are good too for those who like NA.
turbo is ultimate power at the highest price. so it depends on how fast you really want to go. none of the other upgrades have the kick in the stomach feel of the turbo. a well built and tuned turbo jeep is really impressive.
at the end of the day, i would say that the blower option is going to offer the best real world performance for the dollar. other opinions may vary.
On the turbo...the decision then go to single or twin?
I'll bet you can equal the hp on the 10.88 Jeep twin turbo with a single turbo, just have much more lag.
JH...your thoughts as you build both single and twin turbo Jeeps.
Bill
greatone61 12-27-2008, 01:46 PM John, just sent you a PM. Thanks!
Razorecko 12-27-2008, 01:49 PM I wish someone would come up with headers or a 100% fix for the damn emissions issue.
gculver 12-27-2008, 02:02 PM At 5-7 psi boost levels that you can safely run on stock 6.1L short block...I would recommend a twin screw blower...it should provide the most usable torque from off-idle to 5500rpm or so...However, We are still waiting on one to hit the market...But, I do have hope!
GC
Razorecko 12-27-2008, 02:09 PM ^ although that is the case who knows what a twin screw will do to the drivetrain with that much psi at idle. I would say that any twin screw owner better anty up and buy one of those paramount tcases before theirs pop and wont be able to get that core $$$.
gculver 12-27-2008, 02:16 PM ^ although that is the case who knows what a twin screw will do to the drivetrain with that much psi at idle. I would say that any twin screw owner better anty up and buy one of those paramount tcases before theirs pop and wont be able to get that core $$$.
HaHa!...that's what TM tables are for...I think it work out pretty well with the right tuning, IMO.
GC
navyavi469 12-27-2008, 03:57 PM A big single can make more power than 99% of the Jeeps in existance can handle or put to the ground with the Chrysler powertrain, at half the initial cost and maintenance of twins.
Lag? I've got my 60' down to a 1.7 consistently. Assuming you dont feel like springing $12000 for lockers front and rear, drag radials on the corners, deflated to something that look like saggy doughnuts, and another equally impressive wad of green for gearboxes, then there's no need for multiple snails. At a certain point you just smoke the tires, a little lag goes a long way. Thats going on the assumption that you can spin both turbos up quicker with half displacement, faster than you spin up a bigger single with full displacement.
And when it comes to pure top-end power, ask the Supra guys who all run massive singles, in-lieu of duals, why they chose to switch.
The step-up from 370 to 426 cubes is only a 15% displacement increase... hardly a number I feel that would warrant twin head units.
But I'm biased, becuase I invested in a big single :cool::D:o:p
BTLFED 12-27-2008, 09:02 PM Winston, What size hairdryer are you running ? I also remember seeing pictures you posted of your Turbo, does it run the exhaust to the back of the vehicle or were you serious about the 18 wheeler stacks ?
Good info by you and JH
navyavi469 12-27-2008, 10:06 PM Winston, What size hairdryer are you running ? I also remember seeing pictures you posted of your Turbo, does it run the exhaust to the back of the vehicle or were you serious about the 18 wheeler stacks ?
Good info by you and JH
I have a .96AR ceramic ball bearing with 76mm compressor wheel. Downpipe is 4" manderal-bent stainless steel and runs all the way back to a Borla-S catback.
The big-rig stacks were a joke, but inspired by the idea that for race-only applications that a special downpipe could be fabbed to dump straight out of the bay. Its just a matter of loosening two V-band clamps and the pipe snaps out.
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