Hey Guys, I just picked up my 07 JGC SRT8 Two weeks ago, and I love it, the thing kicks ass. But one thing I did notice is that when braking at slower speeds (below 50) and applying moderate to mild pressure to the brakes, they have a tendency to make this annoying, high pitched squealing noise. I'm not sure if this is due to the type of pads the truck came with or something else, but does anyone know how to remedy this problem?? Thanks.

There may be a TSB in the future for this. In the mean time tell your dealer if it bothers you. The SRT Eng are aware of the noise, the pads are "performance" pads & don't last long either. Mine just started squealing w/~1900 miles. There are some owners having rotor issues also(SRT Eng did not agnolage this).

Thanks for heads up...would buying different brake pads make any difference? I have a Rotora big break kit on my 03 Acura TL-S and the pads dont make any noise at all. If the pads wont fix it, will the dealer be able to do something??

Thanks for heads up...would buying different brake pads make any difference? I have a Rotora big break kit on my 03 Acura TL-S and the pads dont make any noise at all. If the pads wont fix it, will the dealer be able to do something??
I think other owners have switched pads & had good luck(no noise). This is where they bought the pads: Zeckhausen.com .

Before the pads groove your rotors do yourself a favor and change the pads, the dealer will replace them with OEM ones that will do the same thing if you can get them to replace them, I replaced mine to low dust,Centric Posi-Quiet Semi-Metallic pads. If I knew then what I know now I would have done these pads as soon as brought mine home, my rotors are grooved the new pads have helped but when the Zeckhausen comes out with cross drilled rotors ill be doing them, and doing away with the OEM rotors.

And by the time they come out with a TSB for the brakes IF they ever do, your rotors will be grooved beyond repair, Pads cost me $180 cost to install $0 I did it myself. Took me 45 minutes to replace all 8 pads, easiest brake job I have ever done.


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That's pretty much what I figured, I just was hoping that the dealer would be able to do it under warranty...but of course they'll put the same damn pads on...obviously not solving the problem. Thanks for the advice though, I'm just gonna bite the bullet and get those pads, and more than likely throw on some crossed drilled rotors too. Thanks guys.

That's pretty much what I figured, I just was hoping that the dealer would be able to do it under warranty...but of course they'll put the same damn pads on...obviously not solving the problem. Thanks for the advice though, I'm just gonna bite the bullet and get those pads, and more than likely throw on some crossed drilled rotors too. Thanks guys.


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Damn straight.

Thanks Guys! I really appreciate the brake pad help. My RF pads are driving me crazy already at only 300 miles!!!

mine are squealing too but arent grooving or scoring.....yet.
shouldnt they replace the pads and rotors under warrentee if they starrt to groove and squeek. all the time???

took mine into the shop for this problem... They said the pads are wearing fine and normal as they should... They said because brembo uses an alloy based pad it makes noise... no way around and inless you get different pads..

brembo are top notch in my book. Ill be sticking it out with mine... just for the front pads alone cost $350 which is insane..

just changed my stock pads out for Centric Posi-Quiet Semi-Metallic pads from zeckhausen.com.

didn't have time to break em in properly (bed-n process), but after a few runs down the street and breaking hard, the pedal feel is good, not much difference if any that I could feel from stock pads. Squeaks a lot less than stock, hopefully after a few more commutes, the squealing will be history!

My first brake job, so it took me a couple of hours. But some of that time was spent inspecting the handy work of SRT :)

I'm in the same boat now, I got squeels on my 07 after just 500mi.

I put on the Posi-Quiet pads a couple of days ago and could not be more pleased. I no longer have any squeaking and the brake dust is almost non existant. Took me about an hour to do all four wheels. Definitely the way to go.

I put on the Posi-Quiet pads a couple of days ago and could not be more pleased. I no longer have any squeaking and the brake dust is almost non existant. Took me about an hour to do all four wheels. Definitely the way to go.

Sounds good. My pads should be here today. That brake dust is killing me.

I put on the Posi-Quiet pads a couple of days ago and could not be more pleased. I no longer have any squeaking and the brake dust is almost non existant. Took me about an hour to do all four wheels. Definitely the way to go.

Notice any difference in bite or grab under really aggressive braking?

Alex

my srt8 is in the shop as we speak for this problem..my service tech called me abut 5 min ago and informed me that this is a normal occurance as the pads are being broken in (i have about 1050 miles) and it should go away. if not go back at around 2500 miles for another inspection and or replacement.

does this sound like Bull **** to anyone else??????

there is hardly any difference in bite. still stops on a dime.

Many postings indicate that the squealing is normal. About it going away, I don't think so.

FYI - I still see some slight scoring on the rotors, so my next purchase will be after market rotors, probably in the spring.

Please help me - just brought my 06 in with 23k miles... they are saying that the rotars need to be replaced on front and back as well as the pads - they are estimating a $1400 job..

Does this sound correct? or am I grabbing my ankles on this one?

i can't beleive that the ride would need all new brakes and rotars after only 23k....

just brought my 06 in with 23k miles.....i can't beleive that the ride would need all new brakes and rotars after only 23k....

It's definitely possible if the prior owner romped on them. When I was a young lad, I used to rip through brakes in 15K.

It's definitely possible if the prior owner romped on them. When I was a young lad, I used to rip through brakes in 15K.

Funny but I am the prior and current owner...i just love driving this thing:D I didn't think I was driving that hard though.

Funny but I am the prior and current owner...i just love driving this thing:D I didn't think I was driving that hard though.

Oh ya, I am a young lad too.

Anything else you care to disclose Zak? :eek:

Funny but I am the prior and current owner...i just love driving this thing:D I didn't think I was driving that hard though.

Sorry, thought you said you bought it with 23K miles.

I had my ride parked outside for a few hours in extreme cold, around 5 below and when I backed up and lightly pressed on the brakes, I heard a very loud squeal from the rear passenger side wheel. I just replaced my stock pads with the posi centric pads from zeckhausen and they were fine for a while. Now that the cold temps are here, I was wondering if anyone else had this problem???

AFter a few minutes of driving the squealing is gone!

Kman

I had my ride parked outside for a few hours in extreme cold, around 5 below and when I backed up and lightly pressed on the brakes, I heard a very loud squeal from the rear passenger side wheel. I just replaced my stock pads with the posi centric pads from zeckhausen and they were fine for a while. Now that the cold temps are here, I was wondering if anyone else had this problem???

AFter a few minutes of driving the squealing is gone!

Kman


-30 here in MN, and my Brembos are deafening. Nothing worse than driving a nice car with loud, squealing brakes.

its -4 F here today.

well, on one side, I'm relieved to hear that others have seen this. But like you said, its kinda hard to swallow...

it was so loud yesterday that I scared some people at the gas pump. they did a double take to see where that awful noise was coming from!

A friend told me over the weekend that if we spray some brake cleaner on the rotors/pads that the noise (those of us with the slight squealing braking lightly from 30-10mph) will go away for a while until the brake dust accumulates again. Any thoughts on this?

A guy i know has a 300 srt 06 he went to dealer they replaced them with slotted rotors all four rotors and pads he said squeaking gone;

Mine also does the 30 and under squeal. I try not to let it bug me.:rolleyes:

A friend told me over the weekend that if we spray some brake cleaner on the rotors/pads that the noise (those of us with the slight squealing braking lightly from 30-10mph) will go away for a while until the brake dust accumulates again. Any thoughts on this?

sounds logical, I took mine in 2 days ago to the local german jeep dealership, they said it was normal and they only needed cleaning. I will do them myself later this week and see if it fixes the problem.

Spoke to my dealer today to schedule an appointment to look at the squealing brakes. They would not even let me schedule an appointment. They said there is nothing they can do. It's the type of pads on the SRT8. The problem will come back even if they replace the pads. I thought I would try it to at least get the issue documented on my file before I put any more miles on it (at 10k now).

I took mine in and they replaced the rotors and pads. They replaced the rotors for scoring and the pads for the squeaking. It only took about 1k miles before the squeaking started back stronger than ever. And it took about 1500 for the scoring to return. It's too bad that SRT has not been able to duplicate the problem, but they are more than welcome to come by and take a look at my new rotors and tell me they aren't scored, then try to back it out of my garage without wincing at the sound of my Brembos...

Trust me guys, I feel your pain. That loud squeek is the most frickin obnoxious, horrendous sound coming out of an otherwise amazing vehicle. I think that extreme cold definitely adds to the problem, but either way, it sucks. I'm wondering if putting on cross drilled and slotted rotors, and the Zackhausen pads would improve it at all. any thoughts?

I have the zeckhausen pads and that eliminated all squealing. I had some the other day due to extreme cold, but this went away and haven't had any noises for the last few days...

I guess I'm lucky on this after reading some posts. I only have the problem now and then, it only started at 8K miles (the same time it got cold out), and only happens when braking lightly from 40 mph down. It's never there when braking hard or when reversing. Maybe I should stop complaining unless it gets worse. I know I could switch pads, but I have an issue spending money on something like that on a new car.

Trust me guys, I feel your pain. That loud squeek is the most frickin obnoxious, horrendous sound coming out of an otherwise amazing vehicle. I think that extreme cold definitely adds to the problem, but either way, it sucks. I'm wondering if putting on cross drilled and slotted rotors, and the Zackhausen pads would improve it at all. any thoughts?
I went to that system and the brake wear is terrific and low dust. I do however get a slight squeak from the left rear when it is cold. I picked up some lube from Napa that goes on the exterior of the pad. Hope it works!
Bill

hey guys, i need to vent here if you all will induldge me. i take issue with the fact that our brakes are squealing so damn much. how can it be that chrysler/brembo would manufacture brak pads that make so much damn noise...install them on our trucks....sell them to the consumer...and when we complain, just chalk it off to "high quality brakes make that noise" in my opinion this is utter bull ****. ferrari, lamborghini, god dman saleen mustags presumably have high performance brakes and i'd be damned if they squeak. this is really pissing me off and i thought here would be the best place to vent. anyone with thoughts please respond.

I agree 100% :mad:

Guys, I did some investigating on this issue and apparently 300srt owners had this same problem. enough owners filed complaints with chrysler and lo and behold, Chrysler re-designed the rotors and pads and issued a TSB authorizing the relacement of the rotors and pads. This accomplished two things: no more squeak and a lot less brake dust. What I do not know is if this had any effect on performance. My overall point is that there is power in numbers and if we all complain we can have chrysler do the same thing with the GCSRT8.

I had this problem right off the bat when I purchased my 2007 back on Nov 1st. So I complained at which time them "Resurfaced" the rotors. Of course it turned out that the squealing was worst then ever. So after waiting 2 1/2 months for the "Back Ordered" new rotors I finally had them put on this week. Let me come out and say first off they didn't put the slotted ones on and the squealing is starting to come back after 150 miles. So my plan is to really step it up with Jeep on this one. It is absolute BS that they sell a product that has this issue. I have 2 other cars one being the 2006 BMW M3 which has performance brakes on it and I never get this "Squealing" problem. I have had a lot of performance cars and this is the first that has this issue.

Don't get me wrong. This is a bang for your buck deal. Being a business owner I can tell you that I won't sell something that I'm a 100% about. It is just good business sense. The fact is that I would just like I'm sure you would spend the extra $200-300 bucks on the car to have quality rotors, and etc or maybe I'm the only one that feels that way. Sorry for venting but, this brake issue is really getting me pissed.

I just filed my claim with the BBB. If we want a solid outcome then file your own complaint online. http://www.bbb.com

Hey Guys, I just picked up my 07 JGC SRT8 Two weeks ago, and I love it, the thing kicks ass. But one thing I did notice is that when braking at slower speeds (below 50) and applying moderate to mild pressure to the brakes, they have a tendency to make this annoying, high pitched squealing noise. I'm not sure if this is due to the type of pads the truck came with or something else, but does anyone know how to remedy this problem?? Thanks.

Yo ! Brake guy, ( Cayenne Eater 27 ) ........... I have 26 K on my blk GCSRT8
I have talked to Brembo, and talked to the SRT Reps. till I'm blue in the face, This guy Zeckhausen, has the right idea, but I think that DC should get off it's butt and produce a TSB mine squeek like a $ 100.00 beeter car, you would think that the SRT Reps would jump through hoops to prevent all of us that have this problem and there product rolling along in public, but it's the old one dollar bill problem, onebadhemi56

I have 2 other cars one being the 2006 BMW M3 which has performance brakes on it and I never get this "Squealing" problem. I have had a lot of performance cars and this is the first that has this issue.

You're right, there's no squealing on the bmw's. Those pads are formulated to dust all to hell, turning your wheels black in days, at least if they're similar to the stock pads on the BMWs I've owned.

High performance pads are a compromise between lots of noise or lots of dusting, or some combination of both. If you want maximum bite and braking performance you have to have one or the other of those two evils. They seem to have chosen the noise side; these brakes really don't dust much at all. Some of the aftermarket alternatives that Zeckhausen sells are lower dusting and low noise; in that case you are giving up braking performance (not that you'd notice that in normal driving).

You guys go fight city hall. I'll choose not to participate in anything that pushes DCX to start dumbing down their SRT product. If it bothers me too much, I'll replace them with an aftermarket alternative later.

Alex

You're right, there's no squealing on the bmw's. Those pads are formulated to dust all to hell, turning your wheels black in days, at least if they're similar to the stock pads on the BMWs I've owned.

I have an 500 SL without squeaks, tons of dust.

High performance pads are a compromise between lots of noise or lots of dusting, or some combination of both. If you want maximum bite and braking performance you have to have one or the other of those two evils. They seem to have chosen the noise side; these brakes really don't dust much at all. Some of the aftermarket alternatives that Zeckhausen sells are lower dusting and low noise; in that case you are giving up braking performance (not that you'd notice that in normal driving).

I replaced mine with the drilled & slotted rotors and Zeckhausen pads...guess what. I have a slight squeak in the left rear that I am trying to cure!
Bill

Centric Posi-Quiet Semi-Metallic pads and they are $180 and an easy do it yourself if you want them.

You just paid over $40 Grand, so open the wallet and mod your pads if you are not happy. No one likes to hear their pads squeal, but Alex said it well just above. The more people go over the top complaining, Chrysler is going to stop putting these brakes on and go back to stock Grand Cherokee brakes that don't stop nearly as well comparitively, but are quiet. As this thread has been continuing, that has been my fear. Quiet vs Dust vs Performance. Which is your preference? You just bought a high performance truck and that is what you got. Why don't you also go up the line with Chrysler and complain about how much money you are spending on gas?? But do you want to go 0-60 in under 5 seconds? Then get a frequent shoppers card for your favorite gas station.

I am not trying to sound sarcastic. But I had this issue when i bought my S4 because the rotors started to rust within hours of them sitting after they were wet and then would grind like crazy while all the rust wore off when you started driving. At the end of the day, its the material they use on performance parts.

If you guys can get us all new brakes with equal performance and no noise then have at it. But be careful what you wish for. DCX has gone over the top to give us a great product at a price that is hardly more than a GC Overland, which is hard to imagine. Make sure you are thanking them in the same breath you are complaining in. Just my honest opinion.
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Centric Posi-Quiet Semi-Metallic pads and they are $180 and an easy do it yourself if you want them.

You just paid over $40 Grand, so open the wallet and mod your pads if you are not happy. No one likes to hear their pads squeal, but Alex said it well just above. The more people go over the top complaining, Chrysler is going to stop putting these brakes on and go back to stock Grand Cherokee brakes that don't stop nearly as well comparitively, but are quiet. As this thread has been continuing, that has been my fear. Quiet vs Dust vs Performance. Which is your preference? You just bought a high performance truck and that is what you got. Why don't you also go up the line with Chrysler and complain about how much money you are spending on gas?? But do you want to go 0-60 in under 5 seconds? Then get a frequent shoppers card for your favorite gas station.

I am not trying to sound sarcastic. But I had this issue when i bought my S4 because the rotors started to rust within hours of them sitting after they were wet and then would grind like crazy while all the rust wore off when you started driving. At the end of the day, its the material they use on performance parts.

If you guys can get us all new brakes with equal performance and no noise then have at it. But be careful what you wish for. DCX has gone over the top to give us a great product at a price that is hardly more than a GC Overland, which is hard to imagine. Make sure you are thanking them in the same breath you are complaining in. Just my honest opinion.

What he said. :D

Be careful what you wish for.

Alex

If it cost $150 bucks for better pads to fix this issue then Jeep should just fork it out. They probably spent more in the 2 times i went to the dealer for labor and all 4 rotors. This is my two pennies.

Centric Posi-Quiet Semi-Metallic pads and they are $180 and an easy do it yourself if you want them.

You just paid over $40 Grand, so open the wallet and mod your pads if you are not happy.

I just paid over $40 grand also and there is no money left in my wallet.
This is a problem that Jeep needs to address not us.

At the last SRT question and answer thread the SRT guys said they are looking into this problem. Lets hope so!

You're right, there's no squealing on the bmw's. Those pads are formulated to dust all to hell, turning your wheels black in days, at least if they're similar to the stock pads on the BMWs I've owned.

High performance pads are a compromise between lots of noise or lots of dusting, or some combination of both. If you want maximum bite and braking performance you have to have one or the other of those two evils. They seem to have chosen the noise side; these brakes really don't dust much at all. Some of the aftermarket alternatives that Zeckhausen sells are lower dusting and low noise; in that case you are giving up braking performance (not that you'd notice that in normal driving).

You guys go fight city hall. I'll choose not to participate in anything that pushes DCX to start dumbing down their SRT product. If it bothers me too much, I'll replace them with an aftermarket alternative later.

Alex

I disagree.............

If it cost $150 bucks for better pads to fix this issue then Jeep should just fork it out. They probably spent more in the 2 times i went to the dealer for labor and all 4 rotors. This is my two pennies.

I agree...........

I just filed my claim with the BBB. If we want a solid outcome then file your own complaint online. http://www.bbb.com

Thanks, I will also file a complaint. ;)

I disagree.............

So which do you want? More dust, less noise, or less braking performance? Because there's is no such thing as a pad that does all those things. There has to be a compromise.

It's obvious that the SRT engineer's compromise here has been noise. If you want to keep the superb braking performance, and get rid of the noise, you're going to have to deal with massive amounts of dust.

I'm not saying they made the right choice. I'm just saying I prefer noise or dust, just don't dumb down the performance.

Alex

I've got 1800 miles on my 07 Jeep. The brakes started squealing around 500. They haven't squealed for the past two weeks. It just stopped. Is there a break-in period?

I just filed my claim with the BBB. If we want a solid outcome then file your own complaint online. http://www.bbb.com


I am just curious who you would file your complaint against???? The dealer? Chrysler? What would be the sense in doing it exactly? The brakes that come on the vehicle serve thier purpose do they not? So filing against Chrysler wouldnt make a lot of sense. The dealers obviously dont build the vehicles, so if they are trying to help you out......then filing against them wouldnt make any sense. Is there some piece of the puzzle I cant see??? What is the basis for your claim????????? Please let me know, I cant figure it out.

So which do you want? More dust, less noise, or less braking performance? Because there's is no such thing as a pad that does all those things. There has to be a compromise.

It's obvious that the SRT engineer's compromise here has been noise. If you want to keep the superb braking performance, and get rid of the noise, you're going to have to deal with massive amounts of dust.

I'm not saying they made the right choice. I'm just saying I prefer noise or dust, just don't dumb down the performance.

Alex

I would sacrifice some performance for less or no noise. I think these brakes grab a little to good any way for a daily driver. Everytime I touch the brake pedal everything gets jerked or thrown foward ( the dog, the groceries, the guy driving the car behind me :eek:), a little much for most of us that don't need racing brakes on a daily driver.

So yes I would give up some performance, but, we don't have to. There is already an aftermarket alternative available that offers less or no noise and less dust without giving up hardly any performance from what I have read here. Certainly not losing enough performance that they can't handle the braking duties of this truck as a daily driver.

The only problem is getting JEEP to pay for the fix. ;)

I am just curious who you would file your complaint against???? The dealer? Chrysler? What would be the sense in doing it exactly? The brakes that come on the vehicle serve thier purpose do they not? So filing against Chrysler wouldnt make a lot of sense. The dealers obviously dont build the vehicles, so if they are trying to help you out......then filing against them wouldnt make any sense. Is there some piece of the puzzle I cant see??? What is the basis for your claim????????? Please let me know, I cant figure it out.


the basis for the claim is simple...provide a quality product that does what it is supposed to do..that is stop the car and be quiet while doing so. The complaint should be addressed to chrysler or brembo..obviously not the dealer because as you say they did not build/design the car. I do not claim to be an expert on high performance brakes..but there must be some design flaw in our brakes. I have driven many a high performance car and have never heard brake squeal. We owners forked over some $45k for a high performance vehicle, and I do not think we should just have to live with this. If our cars cost $75k or $100k would we be forced to deal with it then??Do porsche owners have this issue??AMG mercedes have this issue?? I seriously doubt it. Where is the financial line that we need to cross such that we get a product that is fit for the purpose for which it was designed??

Additionally, please visit www.brembo.com and look at the cars stock fitted with brembo brakes, and ask yourself do they have squealing brakes??

I am just curious who you would file your complaint against???? The dealer? Chrysler?
I will file against Jeep if nothing is done soon. It is up to them to take action on this providing they get enough complaints which I'm sure they will.
What would be the sense in doing it exactly?
Jeep knows of this problem and has done nothing about it so we need to seek out other alternatives like this. Nothing else we can really do but continue to complain to whoever will listen.
The brakes that come on the vehicle serve thier purpose do they not?
Yes, they do but.......brakes squealing on a $40,000.00+ daily driver is unacceptable.:mad:
So filing against Chrysler wouldnt make a lot of sense.
Why not? They are responsible for the brakes on the truck, are they not?
The dealers obviously dont build the vehicles, so if they are trying to help you out......then filing against them wouldnt make any sense. Is there some piece of the puzzle I cant see???
You either don't drive one of these vehicles daily or you like the sound of squealing brakes. :rolleyes:
What is the basis for your claim?????????
As stated above....squealing brakes on a $40,000.00+ vehicle is unacceptable.


Please let me know, I cant figure it out.


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We owners forked over some $45k for a high performance vehicle, and I do not think we should just have to live with this.

You could not be more correct. :)

the basis for the claim is simple...provide a quality product that does what it is supposed to do..that is stop the car and be quiet while doing so. The complaint should be addressed to chrysler or brembo..obviously not the dealer because as you say they did not build/design the car. I do not claim to be an expert on high performance brakes..but there must be some design flaw in our brakes. I have driven many a high performance car and have never heard brake squeal. We owners forked over some $45k for a high performance vehicle, and I do not think we should just have to live with this. If our cars cost $75k or $100k would we be forced to deal with it then??Do porsche owners have this issue??AMG mercedes have this issue?? I seriously doubt it. Where is the financial line that we need to cross such that we get a product that is fit for the purpose for which it was designed??

Additionally, please visit www.brembo.com and look at the cars stock fitted with brembo brakes, and ask yourself do they have squealing brakes??

Thats my point though, these brakes do thier intended job. As it was mentioned earlier, if you want performance then you have to choose between a little noise or a lot of dust. Now dont get me wrong, I hate the sound of squealing brakes as much as the next guy. But I also understand that there is a reason for it. An if I were to spend 45k, I would want the best looking vehicle I could have for my money. An having rims covered in brake dust just doesnt do it for me. Also, I have friends who drive Ferraris, Lambo's, Porsche's, an I have personally heard every one of them squeal. All it comes down to is the design characteristics of this particular part which just happens to come standard on the vehicle. If you personally dont like it, how could you possibly try to hold someone else responsible??????

P.S. I have never read in any article/service manual/online report/ or anything else for that matter, that says brake pads have to be quiet to properly stop a car..................

Thats my point though, these brakes do thier intended job. As it was mentioned earlier, if you want performance then you have to choose between a little noise or a lot of dust.
Not true..............
Now dont get me wrong, I hate the sound of squealing brakes as much as the next guy. But I also understand that there is a reason for it. An if I were to spend 45k, I would want the best looking vehicle I could have for my money. An having rims covered in brake dust just doesnt do it for me.
Dust can be wiped off in a couple minutes with a damp rag. There is nothing we can do for the squealing so Jeep needs to step up and correct this problem.
Also, I have friends who drive Ferraris, Lambo's, Porsche's, an I have personally heard every one of them squeal. All it comes down to is the design characteristics of this particular part which just happens to come standard on the vehicle. If you personally dont like it, how could you possibly try to hold someone else responsible??????
I don't like it and they are responsible. What part of this don't you understand? :confused:


P.S. I have never read in any article/service manual/online report/ or anything else for that matter, that says brake pads have to be quiet to properly stop a car..................
Its just common knowledge........they don't have to be........they should be. :rolleyes:

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Thats my point though, these brakes do thier intended job. As it was mentioned earlier, if you want performance then you have to choose between a little noise or a lot of dust. Now dont get me wrong, I hate the sound of squealing brakes as much as the next guy. But I also understand that there is a reason for it. An if I were to spend 45k, I would want the best looking vehicle I could have for my money. An having rims covered in brake dust just doesnt do it for me. Also, I have friends who drive Ferraris, Lambo's, Porsche's, an I have personally heard every one of them squeal. All it comes down to is the design characteristics of this particular part which just happens to come standard on the vehicle. If you personally dont like it, how could you possibly try to hold someone else responsible??????

P.S. I have never read in any article/service manual/online report/ or anything else for that matter, that says brake pads have to be quiet to properly stop a car..................


please inform me..what is the reason for the brakes squealing...is it because metal on metal makes such a noise....does that mnke for a quality product? moreover, what alerts a driver that his or her brakes are to be replaced...would that be squealing noise? now follow the chain of logic....what in fact causes the squeak...brake pads are worn done right?? metal on metal right?

I do not understand how a manufacterer would allow this to happen when it presumably tests their vehicle and would have heard the noise. what would you do if you worked for chrysler in the "vehicle testing department" would you mention the fact that damn we haver great brakes but they squeak but that is the price you pay to be able to stop from 60 mph in 180 feet or whatever?????

finally..yopur comment about not knowing of any source that states that brakes have to be quiet to work effectively is misplaced. I relize you are a dealer or something...but the whole civilized world knows that brakes are supposed to be quiet when applied and usually they make noise when they are worn. Why would any car manufacturer publish information that "hey we have high performance brakes...we can stop your car on a dime but damn they squeak like a 16 yr old girl losing her virginity!!!!"

The amount of metal vs nonmetal substrate varies in pad makeup. Harsher or slang "hotter" pads also tend to wear the rotors unevenly resulting in high and lows within the rotor and pad.

The higher performance or "hotter" a pad is, the more metal is in the substrate. The highest performing porsche brakes make so much noise most street drivers swap them out for quieter lower performing models. In this case even the rotors make noise, since they float, and if they are not hot enough they clack back and forth, the proper temp allows the hat of the rotor to expand and seat against the hub. Street driving does not keep the hats hot enough.

I have found if I ride the brakes a bit to get them hot the squeal goes away, similar to my porsche.

Squeal indicators or the metal bands that make noise in family type cars cause create a different sound. The item that should alert a driver that a performance part needs to be replaced should be inspection of that part. Squeal indicators are great for the mini van but on a hot or perf pad they to become a wick for heat and can deform causing problems.

I think you are a bit generalizing on the civilized world knows pads need to be quiet to work part, and make noise when worn. The squeal indicators make noise but most street driven autos use such a soft pad, lacking metal compound that they could not make many laps of a road course without burning off, while the version of the brembo pad the srts have can survive heat and use. Soft or streets pads are quiet because they give way, and are the weak point, designed to wear.

Most of the driving world has no idea what it takes to properly equip a car for sustained track performace and what noises are normal as the parts performance increases.

The base pads for the 911 I have are capable of road course work and they also make noise, I can buy quieter pads but they will not be effective on the track and in some cases fail so badly they can cause caliper fires. On a track car you have to replace both rotors and pads since they both wear due to the increased friction of the pad and the combined heat build up.

Just as in the bilstein clunk people are concerned about. Those shocks make a characteristic noise at the top of their travel. Every car I have had with bilsteins exhibits that same noise.

http://www.zeckhausen.com/Jeep/SRT8.htm

Here is a link to the other pads site, notice even they delineated track and street pads.

Additionally, please visit www.brembo.com and look at the cars stock fitted with brembo brakes, and ask yourself do they have squealing brakes?? Uh, yes, vipers, and the newer porsches are notorious for noise.
Maybe the driver should be educated more from the dealers, it came as a surprise to me that there wasnt a softer pad in this car, since I could see a srt charger going to the track alot, but jeeps road course usage across the ownership spectrum will proably be minor compared to other perf cars,if it gets too annoying I will use the zeckl pads.

The amount of metal vs nonmetal substrate varies in pad makeup. Harsher or slang "hotter" pads also tend to wear the rotors unevenly resulting in high and lows within the rotor and pad.

The higher performance or "hotter" a pad is, the more metal is in the substrate. The highest performing porsche brakes make so much noise most street drivers swap them out for quieter lower performing models. In this case even the rotors make noise, since they float, and if they are not hot enough they clack back and forth, the proper temp allows the hat of the rotor to expand and seat against the hub. Street driving does not keep the hats hot enough.

I have found if I ride the brakes a bit to get them hot the squeal goes away, similar to my porsche.

Squeal indicators or the metal bands that make noise in family type cars cause create a different sound. The item that should alert a driver that a performance part needs to be replaced should be inspection of that part. Squeal indicators are great for the mini van but on a hot or perf pad they to become a wick for heat and can deform causing problems.

I think you are a bit generalizing on the civilized world knows pads need to be quiet to work part, and make noise when worn. The squeal indicators make noise but most street driven autos use such a soft pad, lacking metal compound that they could not make many laps of a road course without burning off, while the version of the brembo pad the srts have can survive heat and use.

Most of the driving world has no idea what it takes to properly equip a car for sustained track performace and what noises are normal as the parts performance increases.

The base pads for the 911 I have are capable of road course work and they also make noise, I can buy quieter pads but they will not be effective on the track and in some cases fail so badly they can cause caliper fires.

Just as in the bilstein clunk people are concerned about. Those shocks make a characteristic noise at the top of their travel. Every car I have had with bilsteins exhibits that same noise.

http://www.zeckhausen.com/Jeep/SRT8.htm

Here is a link to the other pads site, notice even they delineated track and street pads.


Yeah, what he said.........lol

Wow, I had no idea I touched on such a hot subject...I was just a little irritated the Jeep I just paid 45K for has a squealing brake problem. Is it THAT difficult to find a braking system that provides high performance braking with little to no noise?? I understand brake dust is inherent to High performance pads...but a squeal you can hear from 3 frickin blocks away is absolutely ridiculous. Why should we have to settle for this?? One would think that if one paid damn near 50 grand for a high performance SUV the manufacturer would want to make damn sure it didnt put components on the vehicle that created a daily annoyance for the driver. Now granted, it only makes that noise in certain situations, but those situations should not even exist... it is definitely on JEEP or DCX Corp. to UNF**K this situation! :mad:

Maybe dcx can put the stock brakes back on. What about the turbo porsche guys that pay a hundred grand for brakes that growl from day one?

Ok...fair enough, If thats true, and there are poor bastards paying the price of a small house for a performance SUV with squealing brakes we cant really complain, but it's still BS in my opinion.

On this board, everyone complains about the noise. On my BMW boards, everyone complains about the dust.

I'm just happy with the initial bite and superb braking performance of a 4800# SUV, so I'm keeping quiet. :D

Alex

haha, roger that.

I am taking mine in on Friday for the brakes squealing. Anything I should know in advance or ask or tell them???

Wow, I had no idea I touched on such a hot subject...I was just a little irritated the Jeep I just paid 45K for has a squealing brake problem. Is it THAT difficult to find a braking system that provides high performance braking with little to no noise?? I understand brake dust is inherent to High performance pads...but a squeal you can hear from 3 frickin blocks away is absolutely ridiculous. Why should we have to settle for this?? One would think that if one paid damn near 50 grand for a high performance SUV the manufacturer would want to make damn sure it didnt put components on the vehicle that created a daily annoyance for the driver. Now granted, it only makes that noise in certain situations, but those situations should not even exist... it is definitely on JEEP or DCX Corp. to UNF**K this situation! :mad:

You are correct................:(

Maybe dcx can put the stock brakes back on.
That may be a good idea!
What about the turbo porsche guys that pay a hundred grand for brakes that growl from day one?
Thats not my problem, its thiers.:rolleyes:

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I mentioned in an earlier post that my brake squeal didn't start until about 8500 miles (I have 10K now) or about the same time it got cold out. I realized that I'm washing the car less in the winter and not washing at home spending extra time rinsing the rims, etc. So the other day, I paid extra at the car wash for the undercarriage wash. Afterward, the squeal was gone for 250 miles. It's just starting to come back.

It seems as though my issue is related to dust only and not scoring. I think the scoring issue creates a much louder squeal that wouldn't be cured by cleaning. When I was at the SRT Track Experience back in Nov., 1 of the 4 GC SRT8's had a loud squeal, nothing like I have. I assume this is the more severe problem that many complain about and the one DCX should find a solution for. The quieter problem I have, which seems related to dust only, probably cannot be fixed without switching to a dustless pad.

Anyway, for those of you with only a slight occasional squeal, try a good undercarriage wash and let me know if you have the same results as me.

I mentioned in an earlier post that my brake squeal didn't start until about 8500 miles (I have 10K now) or about the same time it got cold out. I realized that I'm washing the car less in the winter and not washing at home spending extra time rinsing the rims, etc. So the other day, I paid extra at the car wash for the undercarriage wash. Afterward, the squeal was gone for 250 miles. It's just starting to come back.

It seems as though my issue is related to dust only and not scoring. I think the scoring issue creates a much louder squeal that wouldn't be cured by cleaning. When I was at the SRT Track Experience back in Nov., 1 of the 4 GC SRT8's had a loud squeal, nothing like I have. I assume this is the more severe problem that many complain about and the one DCX should find a solution for. The quieter problem I have, which seems related to dust only, probably cannot be fixed without switching to a dustless pad.

Anyway, for those of you with only a slight occasional squeal, try a good undercarriage wash and let me know if you have the same results as me.

The same was true with my ride this morning. Took a couple of minutes at the do it yourself car wash and really sprayed my wheels, rotors and calipers until they were clean enough to eat off of them. The squeaking has gone since. It's a very dirty time of year and I suspect that it was only due to dirty rotors.
Hope this helps out!

Since it seems like many if not almost all of the SRTs with brembos are squealing I guess I am confused on what a dealer is going to do if when people bring them back.

We pretty much established the only way to stop it permanently is either change the pads with the ones that are made by zecklhausen. The only other alternative is to go back to standard WK brakes.

If a dealer cuts the rotors and replace the pads the noise is only going to come back and be worse, plus the possibility then exists of the rotors warping after being cut once or twice.

I don’t think DCX is going to come up with a special pad since they pretty much outsourced the brakes to brembo. It is a case of "it is what it is" they will sqeak unless changed

Maybe a dealer can be led to the zeck solution and put those on but unless reimbursed by DCX expect the "we can do anything about it" phrase.

So then we are left with the dilemma do all of the positives of the performance of the srt8 outweigh the squeaky brakes? I am sure many other noises are going to pop up.

When I had a Cadillac there was and expectation of quiet and soft ride, but I went into this jeep expecting a plasticy finished and general lack of refinement. I think we are kidding ourselves if we try to do the I paid X and expect Y amount of refinement equation or argument. In the end its a Cherokee with a different drive train, nothing more, and nothing less. We paid for the additional drive train and engineering costs.

The bilsteins are expected to be noisy. I expected the brakes to wear fast and be expensive.

Since it seems like many if not almost all of the SRTs with brembos are squealing I guess I am confused on what a dealer is going to do if when people bring them back.

We pretty much established the only way to stop it permanently is either change the pads with the ones that are made by zecklhausen. The only other alternative is to go back to standard WK brakes.

If a dealer cuts the rotors and replace the pads the noise is only going to come back and be worse, plus the possibility then exists of the rotors warping after being cut once or twice.

I don’t think DCX is going to come up with a special pad since they pretty much outsourced the brakes to brembo. It is a case of "it is what it is" they will sqeak unless changed

Maybe a dealer can be led to the zeck solution and put those on but unless reimbursed by DCX expect the "we can do anything about it" phrase.

So then we are left with the dilemma do all of the positives of the performance of the srt8 outweigh the squeaky brakes? I am sure many other noises are going to pop up.

When I had a Cadillac there was and expectation of quiet and soft ride, but I went into this jeep expecting a plasticy finished and general lack of refinement. I think we are kidding ourselves if we try to do the I paid X and expect Y amount of refinement equation or argument. In the end its a Cherokee with a different drive train, nothing more, and nothing less. We paid for the additional drive train and engineering costs.

The bilsteins are expected to be noisy. I expected the brakes to wear fast and be expensive.

I tried to convince myself to feel better about it to...............:D

I agree, it sucks when driving someone around and they start squealing and you have to explain "it normal". I find myself trying to drive the brakes so they don't make noise

I agree, it sucks when driving someone around and they start squealing and you have to explain "it normal". I find myself trying to drive the brakes so they don't make noise

I took advantage of the squealing to get myself some new brakes. I'm right at the end of my brake warranty, my rotors are gouged to crap so I brought the jeep into the dealership today, complained about the brakes and got new pads and rotors. :D

I took advantage of the squealing to get myself some new brakes. I'm right at the end of my brake warranty, my rotors are gouged to crap so I brought the jeep into the dealership today, complained about the brakes and got new pads and rotors. :D


Ide rip the oem pads off or you will be scoring your rotors again.

The C-Teks from Zeckhausen with good rotors stop as good as OEM, I know I have new rotors and C-Teks, no squeeling, no brake dust and OEM stopping power, period.

I've got Centrics coming today and hope to install them over the weekend. The rotor scoring is minimal, so I'm going to put them in, bed them, and give it a go.

We've got 7K on our Jeep and have had no squealing. The dust is an issue, as our garage is tight and I'm tired of getting my pants dirty.

Under normal driving, I can't see the braking performance being any less than stock with the Centric pads. I figure I will wear these a bit and then if the rotors get worse, I'll go for the slotted rotors.

I got the pads from Zeckhausen. Their service and customer treatment is A+. You will not be sorry dealing with them. They're drop shipping my order from out here so that I have them for the weekend.

I'll report after their installed.

From tonight's SRT chat session at http://www.srtforums.com/:

Originally Posted by jlandbl
Any updates on a possible TSB for the brake squeal/rotor scoring issue on the Jeep SRT8? My dealer won't even look at my vehicle. They say the squealing (front passenger side only) is normal and there is nothing they can do.

"No tsb at this time....you could try a little copper paste on the edge of the pad backing plate....."

i just put on axxis pads no noise....stop on the dime.. you guys can give it a try

Can you please share the info on the axxis pads. PArt numbers, price and installation cost?

Thanks!

http://www.zeckhausen.com/axxis_pads.htm

I have an '08 and still have the problem!!! They just aren't squeaking, there screeeeeeeeeching. I'm sort of mad in a way. But they are high performance after market Brembo's so...

Anyways, thanks to all for the links to the breaks that work for you...

And sorry for bumping an old topic. It's the only topic that came up in my search queries.

I have an '08 and still have the problem!!! They just aren't squeaking, there screeeeeeeeeching. I'm sort of mad in a way. But they are high performance after market Brembo's so...

Anyways, thanks to all for the links to the breaks that work for you...

And sorry for bumping an old topic. It's the only topic that came up in my search queries.

Welcome to the forum! and good job searching!

Let me help you out a little....
http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/search.php?searchid=877812

mine have been squealing since i bought it new...and wheels are always clean, maybe too clean apparently.

anyway, i had a brand new cayenne, and the same squeal, porsche told me it's the high end material in the pads...sux driving a 60k car that squeals like a cab.

anyway, my guess it's the same issue with brembo's pads..quality semi-metallic material.

i've heard changing to drilled rotors from f1, helped the issue, seems the lower quality steel in the rotors from the factory dont blend well with these pads.

just mho

There is a TSB on rear brakes. It's printed out on my desk at work to take with me Thursday to the dealer. I believe it says to remove the steel shims or something like that and replace the pads. I let you know how it works out. TSB's can be found on wkjeeps.COM

There is a TSB on rear brakes. It's printed out on my desk at work to take with me Thursday to the dealer. I believe it says to remove the steel shims or something like that and replace the pads. I let you know how it works out. TSB's can be found on wkjeeps.COM


Thanks for the info man! Mine are squealing too and I just got the Jeep Like 2 weeks ago.

Any final solution for brake squeal yet?

Mine is 2007 and TSB:s done but squeal is still horrible.