I was just over on the TBSS site, and I cant believe the access they have to mod their trucks. Handhelds,chips,exhuasts. The list goes on and on. What gives?? How come we are all just sitting around hoping the SRT Gods will release something. Its just not fair.:mad: I want more for my beast.

Yea it does suck, all this time and we have ditto. Soon all the ss guys will be blowing us away with their wide variety of mods and our cars will just look good.

This is nothing new. GM & Ford vehicles commonly get more access to mods than Mopars. The TBSS is based off an engine thats at least 10 yrs old & same w/Ford's 5.4L. The 6.1L is only a yr or so old. Production #'s also play a part, these aftermarket companies go where the $$ is & there few 6.1's & many LS2's. The fact that 5.7L HEMI's have many more mods available is even frustrating, but the same production theory applies. I too hope we get some more aftermarket choices real soon, SouthernHotrod says after '07 things are coming.

This is nothing new. GM & Ford vehicles commonly get more access to mods than Mopars. The TBSS is based off an engine thats at least 10 yrs old & same w/Ford's 5.4L. The 6.1L is only a yr or so old. Production #'s also play a part, these aftermarket companies go where the $$ is & there few 6.1's & many LS2's. The fact that 5.7L HEMI's have many more mods available is even frustrating, but the same production theory applies. I too hope we get some more aftermarket choices real soon, SouthernHotrod says after '07 things are coming.


If you have a 1970 Charger (as per your signature) join the www.1970chargerregistry.com, there's plenty of good info. I also own a 1970 Charger, GC SRT-8 and other cars.

Link:
http://1970chargerregistry.com/70messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=3711

Conundrum:

Would you rather start with 350 and mod up to 450?

or

Start with 420 and mod up to 450?


I enjoy the fact that SRT engs did much of the work for us, properly.




EDIT: The numbers are for example purposes only, and do not represent the actual HP output of said vehicles.





(I am hurting for some mods, though :))

LS2, nuff said.

If you have a 1970 Charger (as per your signature) join the www.1970chargerregistry.com, there's plenty of good info. I also own a 1970 Charger, GC SRT-8 and other cars.

Link:
http://1970chargerregistry.com/70messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=3711
I'm a member at the '70 reg. I'm taking a break from the restoration of the '70 for a bit, got tired of the repo parts not fitting properly & some yr1 supposed NOS. I'm enjoying the SRT8 yr round.

The TBSS is 395hp not 350. & w/thier current mods can overcome a stock SRT8(not proud to say). I believe it's true the SRT8 is a much more advanced/better vehicle, but it would be nice for the aftermarket to recognize us soon w/some honest/reliable mods.

The TBSS is 395hp not 350.

It was an example.

& w/thier current mods can overcome a stock SRT8(not proud to say).

It is going to take forced induction to beat us. There is a TBSS in my immediate area, and even with his Vector Tune and CAI, I still beat him from a roll (and I was pulling the whole time) <---- Stock at the time

Inferno is running 12.5's with bolt-on's, which is as quick or quicker than any N/A TBSS.

I was just over on the TBSS site, and I cant believe the access they have to mod their trucks. Handhelds,chips,exhuasts. The list goes on and on. What gives?? How come we are all just sitting around hoping the SRT Gods will release something. Its just not fair.:mad: I want more for my beast.

But it's still a Trailblazer.....;)

It was an example.



It is going to take forced induction to beat us. There is a TBSS in my immediate area, and even with his Vector Tune and CAI, I still beat him from a roll (and I was pulling the whole time) <---- Stock at the time

Inferno is running 12.5's with bolt-on's, which is as quick or quicker than any N/A TBSS.
I don't know much about the TBSS, but on the blue/orange site there are various members/moles that claim 12's. I thought it was w/just bolt on tune/ underdrive pulley/CAI/exhaust/etc.

But it's still a Trailblazer.....;)
Yeah, & even w/1000hp it wouldn't be kool. :D

But it's still a Trailblazer.....;)

Keep telling yourself that.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n141/TonyTBSS/th_12-1.jpg (http://s111.photobucket.com/albums/n141/TonyTBSS/?action=view&current=12-1.flv)

Keep telling yourself that.

Aww....did I hurt some Chevy boy's feelings?

I was just over on the TBSS site, and I cant believe the access they have to mod their trucks. Handhelds,chips,exhuasts. The list goes on and on. What gives?? How come we are all just sitting around hoping the SRT Gods will release something. Its just not fair.:mad: I want more for my beast.

there is allot out for the jeeps that you don’t have on yours yet.

http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1817

not to mention headers, exhaust ect.


One big this is that the TBSS ls-2 guys don’t even think twice about doing heads/cam/strokers. Most likely because a lot of there owners have owned LS-1, LS-6, and LS-2 cars before and modded the heck out of them. So modding there TBSS is a no brainier for them. I bet you will not find many people on the TBSS site telling everybody that Stock is the best, don’t add headers, don’t add exhaust, don’t do heads, don’t do cam ect ect ect like you see on here. If you did thy would get laughed off the board.

If you ask me the SRT-8 Jeep is a hands down better/nicer truck then the TBSS. But to each his own.

Aww....did I hurt some Chevy boy's feelings?

The only way you can do that is beat my vette in a race, and you don't own anything that can get the job done.

Keep telling yourself that.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n141/TonyTBSS/th_12-1.jpg (http://s111.photobucket.com/albums/n141/TonyTBSS/?action=view&current=12-1.flv)


Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that TBSS this sprayed or has a supercharger...

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that TBSS this sprayed or has a supercharger...

No spray or blower, 12.54 @ 107 mph.

No spray or blower, 12.54 @ 107 mph.

I bet it had heads/cam?

I bet it had heads/cam?

Nope, she is a stock LS2 just tuned right.

No spray or blower, 12.54 @ 107 mph.


So that is Tony GXP's TBSS. Not too shabby. With Kooks headers, Inferno is running identical times.....


I thought that was MAtt's TBSS; thanks for the correction....

Nope, she is a stock LS2 just tuned right.

good runs

when you say stock, your saying not even any bolt-on's? headers, Exhaust? intake?

good runs

when you say stock, your saying not even any bolt-on's? headers, Exhaust? intake?

According to the owner:
CAI
Tune
Underdrive pulley
3400 stall
DR's

http://www.trailblazerss.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4901

The TBSS is powered by a LS2 Corvette engine , so all the vette mods will trickle down.

According to the owner:
CAI
Tune
Underdrive pulley
3400 stall
DR's

http://www.trailblazerss.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4901


1.67 60ft... sweet! I bet the 3400 stall converter makes the truck feel sick.

A good stall converter for the SRT-8 Jeep is going to help alot too.

A good stall converter for the SRT-8 Jeep is going to help alot too.

Definitely, and a good twin screw blower or twin turbo would really be the mutt's nuts.

The only way you can do that is beat my vette in a race, and you don't own anything that can get the job done.

Because your car determines how e-cool you are? Please. :rolleyes:

The only way you can do that is beat my vette in a race, and you don't own anything that can get the job done.

so I guess I could really hurt your feelings bad then? ;)

so I guess I could really hurt your feelings bad then? ;)

I don't think so.

Nope, she is a stock LS2 just tuned right.
That's not stock bub.

I don't think so.
"93 Dodge Stealth RT TT 9.73@151mph Worlds Fastest 3/S car"
I do.

Don't forget that stock TBSS's still have a lot of squish and lean around turns.

I don't think so.

your TT c5 vert runs faster then 9.73@151mph? (or 10.56@136, or 10.69@133, or 10.88@129?)

All though I have never run my Lotus at the track, 512 RWHP in a 2800lb car I got a feeling it would take out that vet too....

But you never know, if it's a 427 TT I may be the one with a broken heart.... There is always a bigger fish...

This thread is about the TBSS, if you wanna talk about turbo vettes start another thread.

This thread is about the TBSS, if you wanna talk about turbo vettes start another thread.

hmmm well your the one who started talking about your turbo Vet in this thread.....

The only way you can do that is beat my vette in a race, and you don't own anything that can get the job done.

When I was looking at a TBSS 3ish months ago they had a lot of problems with consistency. Sure some ran 13.9s stock and 13.5s after a tune and a CAI but for every thread with those results there was atleast one with a 14.9 stock and a 14.3 with tune and a CAI.

We will get a tuner. We already have heads/cams/supercharger/turbo/cai/headers/exhaust and one flash available to us. sure some are expensive and some aren't posting advertised gains but there is an aftermarket and i do believe that options in all of these fields will continue to grow as more 6.1s are fielded.

No spray or blower, 12.54 @ 107 mph.

First of all I owned a TBSS before trading it in on the Jeep in February. Pound for pound, stock to stock the TBSS is not in the same league. It is extremly SLOW....it is a complete dog out of the hole. The handling is like a 68 Pontiac Bonneville.

Tony has alot of modifications and has been chasing the Jeep performance for months. I applaud him for finally getting it there.....BUT the TBSS is not a Jeep!! The interior is very poor, the seats have NO support.....the interior has not changed in 10 years....the handling is mediocre at best. Its a cheaply built Trailblazer with a vette engine and nice wheels......that by the way have the width of a rubberband.

Also those times at ATCO are NOT going to be seen in to many places. They consistently have good cold weather and are below sea level. Some time thay have DA's of 1000ft below!!! Bring one of those vehicle out to the southwest and watch those #'s fall.

KOOKS Headers, Hi Flow cats, B&B Catback and a Mopar CAI which I think is worthless and I ran 12.53 @ 107 MPH and no tune as we all know. ALso at ATCO.

I just traded my SRT8 in on an EnvoyblazzerGTZ71SS, damn my grandma was right this thing is dope. :)

This thread is about the TBSS, if you wanna talk about turbo vettes start another thread.


Paging Mr. Kettle...paging Mr. Kettle. Mr. Pot is on the line for Mr. Kettle...

Hey mod for mod at this moment in time we are way behind, but the few mods that we do have will net some pretty good gains and with a tuner the gains will be even more. With that said no need to hate on any others rides. It is what it is.

Also those times at ATCO are NOT going to be seen in to many places. They consistently have good cold weather and are below sea level. Some time thay have DA's of 1000ft below!!! Bring one of those vehicle out to the southwest and watch those #'s fall.

Hey im new here,lol.All i know is that i have basically the same mods as Tony(tbss) and i run the same as him above sea level in positive DA.:) I would love to run in -DA.

I ran 13.00 flat on a +1500 DA day with 3/4 gas tank and the tire pressure way to high. Truck prep at a track is HUGE!

Pedro what the hell are you doing here:p I have AWD and e/fans and a tune i run low 13's so i am right with you guys. By the way i also am new here and i must say the SRT is a damn nice truck:) . in my rearview mirror. just kiddin they are a bad ass ride:D

Pedro what the hell are you doing here:p I have AWD and e/fans and a tune i run low 13's so i am right with you guys. By the way i also am new here and i must say the SRT is a damn nice truck:) . in my rearview mirror. just kiddin they are a bad ass ride:D



Hey its all the Trailvoy guys! Welcome :D

Pedro what the hell are you doing here:p I have AWD and e/fans and a tune i run low 13's so i am right with you guys. By the way i also am new here and i must say the SRT is a damn nice truck:) . in my rearview mirror. just kiddin they are a bad ass ride:D


just checking this site out. Man i have to see a srt8 in my area but i would love to run one.

hey guys im not from trailvoy lol (banned from there) just want to say keep up the good work on your trucks. I have yet to see one up here in northern california at the street races or at the track.

as for the ss not good in cornering i have 15 way adjustable coilovers in mine and rear sway bar and helped a lot. also if we had a 255 45 20 on our trucks they would be a lot better stock. the 255 50 20 have to much sidewall.

CURRently we are working on a true dual set up that should be done on my truck next week. i have the magnacharger ready to go in along with a few other mods ive put on the truck. There is a new nitrous kit that will be out that fits under the magnacharger which ill be using also prob just a 50 to 75 shot.

good competition is always good for going faster

oh yah sorry vids

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/SS/th_ss_0001.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/SS/?action=view&current=ss_0001.flv)

heres some pics of my truck
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/SS/SS19.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/SS/SS14.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/SS/SS13.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/SS/coilover2-1.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/SS/lights2.jpg

Nice SS but man you have to resize those pics man too BIG!

SORRY i have a 24 inch sony monitor guys.

SORRY i have a 24 inch sony monitor guys.

Damn you just shrunk my 20" :D

Damn you just shrunk my 20" :D

Inferno , i just noticed you use Zaino you got me beat i oly have 15 coats of Z3 / Z5 /Z8 its great:D

Looks good & sounds even better, NorcalSS. I'd raise it 1/2-1" if it were me, though.

Inferno , i just noticed you use Zaino you got me beat i oly have 15 coats of Z3 / Z5 /Z8 its great:D

Im a Zaino junkie! After like 10 coats is when it really gets good! Dont forget the ZFX!

Damn, so this is where all the TBSS.com folks went.

Better check back, Zippy is worried about you. :D

Cool site guys, but I just love badass vehicles. No need to hate on the TB SS because I don't hate on the SRT8's. We need to unite against the rice rockets boys!

That being said, the LSx motors are considered one of the greatest motors ever built. There are many stock bottom end cars easily in the 8's, 9's, and 10's because this motor comes alive with mods like nothing you ever saw. BTW, GM detuned this motor a bit too.

All that being said, looks are a matter of opinion, and I would NEVER have considered a hideous stock TB or Envoy. But the TB SS is so badass in black with tinted windows.

Anyway, congrats on your killer trucks. They are definitely the cream of the crop in stock form. I have only seen ONE so far on Long Island, and believe me I have been looking...:rolleyes:

But when I went to plunk down my hard earned money I quickly realized that for $10-15K less I can mod my TB SS to eat an SRT8 for lunch. :D Plus I didn't have to wrassle anyone on the showroom floor or pay over sticker or blow someone at the dealership to get one.

Like someone said, when your motor/drivetrain becomes more mainstream you will be able to see a lot more performance parts and it will be game on. But the LS2 or any LSx motors respond so easily to mods it's scary. That's always been the Chevrolet advantage, piles and piles of aftermarket parts available as soon as the motor hits the streets.

Peace out!

Bill

Yup-If i wanted a TBSS, I would have bought one..just didn't want one. No hating involved.

Right now Im struggling between a base 4 door p/u, or a Ram SRT-10. Going to build homes next year...need a work truck.

There are many stock bottom end cars easily in the 8's,




truly, can you show me a stock bottom end LS-x motor car that has run 8's?

Maybe you and I think of stock bottom end as 2 different things, I think of it as stock crank, rods, pistons. The only LS-x motor cars I can think of in the 8’s don’t even have close to a stock bottom end. Off hand I cant even think of one in the 9’s, but there most likly is.

So that is Tony GXP's TBSS. Not too shabby. With Kooks headers, Inferno is running identical times.....


I thought that was MAtt's TBSS; thanks for the correction


I forgot all about this site! Someone linked me to it, specifically this thread.. I was running a slight bit quicker on my Stock Converter than Inferno did, on the same day...ask him.. new converter netted me .23 in the 60' and .41 in the 1/4 +2mph. we haven't raced on the same day as of yet, but Mark and I have and I was running same times as he was on stock tires (with almost .15 slower 60' than I normally run)
Inferno and I are friend's, met at Atco, after seeing each other on SRTOC.. Tony's truck is Badass, barely a thing done and it flies.. Marc has a Black one (from the Vid) he runs spray (not that race obviously) and has run 12.2 w/trans issues... I just ran on street tires the other day, to see what it would do with the new Converter, ran 12.6 @106 w/1.80 60 (and a 1.76) in 55f weather, only -500'DA, very Warm out fro this time of year.. I have run numerous 12.5's @107+ (-1100'DA) best 60 is a 1.67 (1.69's all day on DR's) but I've only been to the track twice since the new Converter, those times wil drop some more with track experience (and If I get a Day Like Inferno had with that RIDICULOUS -2800'DA!!!! and NO, I will never let you live that one down! You Lucky Bastard.. what was my reward?? some B-Day Cake for a 1yr old? you SUCK. j/k) Only mods done are like listed previously, so for anyone to say "Many Mods", get a grip, truck has barely been touched w/exception of the Converter, Pre Converter it went 12.96 @105 DR's & 13.02 @105 on Stock tires.. Exhaust is Stock (has an Ansa Sport muffler, resonator and crushed pipe still in place) and I run on 93 octane, no tricks, truck is a DD and drives like stock (you get what you pay for with the Vigilante Converter)... My goal is 12.20's on stock tires and close to a 12.0 on DR's, should be achieved by next fall, w/o any loss in reliability (even the converter is a BIG step up from Stock, it's a Multidisc 3plate setup).. just thought I'd clear that up, straight from the guy they brought up in this one...Me

PS, I love the Jeep and wish I had enough $$$$ to justify having both,but this one was only $30.5k, hard to resist, when the SRT8's were $5k over sticker...

I forgot all about this site! Someone linked me to it, specifically this thread.. I was running a slight bit quicker on my Stock Converter than Inferno did, on the same day...ask him.. new converter netted me .23 in the 60' and .41 in the 1/4 +2mph. we haven't raced on the same day as of yet, but Mark and I have and I was running same times as he was on stock tires (with almost .15 slower 60' than I normally run)
Inferno and I are friend's, met at Atco, after seeing each other on SRTOC.. Tony's truck is Badass, barely a thing done and it flies.. Marc has a Black one (from the Vid) he runs spray (not that race obviously) and has run 12.2 w/trans issues... I just ran on street tires the other day, to see what it would do with the new Converter, ran 12.6 @106 w/1.80 60 (and a 1.76) in 55f weather, only -500'DA, very Warm out fro this time of year.. I have run numerous 12.5's @107+ (-1100'DA) best 60 is a 1.67 (1.69's all day on DR's) but I've only been to the track twice since the new Converter, those times wil drop some more with track experience (and If I get a Day Like Inferno had with that RIDICULOUS -2800'DA!!!! and NO, I will never let you live that one down! You Lucky Bastard.. what was my reward?? some B-Day Cake for a 1yr old? you SUCK. j/k) Only mods done are like listed previously, so for anyone to say "Many Mods", get a grip, truck has barely been touched w/exception of the Converter, Pre Converter it went 12.96 @105 DR's & 13.02 @105 on Stock tires.. Exhaust is Stock (has an Ansa Sport muffler, resonator and crushed pipe still in place) and I run on 93 octane, no tricks, truck is a DD and drives like stock (you get what you pay for with the Vigilante Converter)... My goal is 12.20's on stock tires and close to a 12.0 on DR's, should be achieved by next fall, w/o any loss in reliability (even the converter is a BIG step up from Stock, it's a Multidisc 3plate setup).. just thought I'd clear that up, straight from the guy they brought up in this one...Me

PS, I love the Jeep and wish I had enough $$$$ to justify having both,but this one was only $30.5k, hard to resist, when the SRT8's were $5k over sticker...


Tony man you just made me crack up, guys Tony is a great guy and has 1 bad ass SS, its wicked fast. Hey I told you I was going and posted the DA that night on both forums :p BTW guys on my 12.5 runs I pulled the ABS pump fuse, that does the same thing as the GSM mod, totally disables the torque management, the truck is violent at launches its scary. BTW you will get the traction, ABS, ESP/BAS lights illuminate and even after you reinstall the fuse they will be there, just put it in drive, drive about 10' and all the lights will clear themselves so dont freak out about all the lights on on the cluster.

I ran 13.00 flat on a +1000 DA day with a 3/4 gas, tire pressure to high and no fuse pulled. Basically no prep before running I was so pumped see what she had I didnt prep it at all, that day all the SS guys wanted to kill me I was running better then Tony *Ducks*;)

The way I look at it, enjoy your ride, dont hate on others, and seeing Tony make his SS faster just made my competative juices flowing and for the mods I have I think 12.53 @ 107 MPH is not to bad. If it wasnt for faster trucks what the hell would we do with our rides? I can answer this for Tony and myself we would wash the paint right off them! :D Tony I heard your as bad as me with the washing!:eek:

The BIG picture here guys is we have SUV's capable of low 12's!!!!!!:D :cool:
We live in great times gentlemen.

Looks good & sounds even better, NorcalSS. I'd raise it 1/2-1" if it were me, though.


Nah 1 inch higher is to hi for me. Rides better than stock with the coilovers in front thats a great thing with the coilover set up. For car shows I lower the rear air bags and front i lower the coilovers so pretty much looks bagged.
heres what the front looks like with it not even all the way down. No you cant drive like this but for shows its fine. I have had my truck for almost a year only 2200 miles so doesnt come out much. There are a few guys on the forum that have the coilovers in and are about 1 inch higher than me because im also using tubular a arms. Its fun to go to a show and see a stock height tbss and say man thats a 4x4 lol. Im sure someone will come out with something for your guys trucks.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/SS/coilover5.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/SS/coilover7.jpg

truly, can you show me a stock bottom end LS-x motor car that has run 8's?

Maybe you and I think of stock bottom end as 2 different things, I think of it as stock crank, rods, pistons. The only LS-x motor cars I can think of in the 8’s don’t even have close to a stock bottom end. Off hand I cant even think of one in the 9’s, but there most likly is.


+1 I have to call BS on the 8/9 second stock shortblock LSX, unless you're referring to a C6 Z06 running a 100 shot or more with sticky tires--9s have already happened with that combo.
No doubt the lS2 is a great motor. I almost picked up a '06 CTS-V instead of the Jeep, loved every second of my test drive. The chevy boys definitely have the advantage, as stated above, of a plethora of aftermarket parts/support. However, IMO, 6.1 Hemi heads are more in line, regarding performance potential, with L92 heads than LS6 castings.
Mod for mod we'll be fine as soon as we can tune our Jeeps.

Who in Bay Area wants to race? lol... Sucks when SS guys come in here doesn't it?
Tune, Kooks Headers, Stall,Borla/Corsa SS exhaust,e-fans,u/d pulleys??? Hmm i love having so many options when Santa is on his way!

What up ugotmale? Different site and you're still too far away. Come on down to Los Angeles for an azz kickin:rolleyes:

Who in Bay Area wants to race? lol... Sucks when SS guys come in here doesn't it?
Tune, Kooks Headers, Stall,Borla/Corsa SS exhaust,e-fans,u/d pulleys??? Hmm i love having so many options when Santa is on his way!


Having a "race" against heavily modded cars is just plain stupid. It comes down to who has more money than who.

Lets have a stock for stock race, shall we? At that point, the TBSS would lose every time.

Not to mention, you're still driving a GM LOL!

you = lose

Welcome TBSS owners. The TBSS is a nice ride. No hate from me. I love American muscle. However, I'm one who prefers keeping my rides stock. Mainly because I'm not able to do the mods myself. Due to this fact, buying the GC SRT8 over the TBSS was a no brainer. I'm actually considering the TBSS for my wife. It would be perfect for her.

Azz Kickin? lmaooo. I Will not post in here anymore, but i will say when ur in the area feel free to find me cause if u have a GC SRT8 i will find u!! It won't b a happy day for you, but hey your the one who went with a 50k SUV! I sure hope on your next purchase you will think b4 u make that big of a purchase.

Right now Im struggling between a base 4 door p/u, or a Ram SRT-10. Going to build homes next year...need a work truck.

I'd pick a used HD F-150 over the Ram SRT-10 Quad-Cab. In fact that is what I traded in for my SRT-8. A few minor mods (pulleys, tuner, etc...) and the HD will run rings around the SRT-10. I drove an SRT-10 Quad-Cab a week before buying the SRT-8 and I was completely unimpressed. Didn't feel spectacular at all.

Nah 1 inch higher is to hi for me. Rides better than stock with the coilovers in front thats a great thing with the coilover set up. For car shows I lower the rear air bags and front i lower the coilovers so pretty much looks bagged.
heres what the front looks like with it not even all the way down. No you cant drive like this but for shows its fine. I have had my truck for almost a year only 2200 miles so doesnt come out much. There are a few guys on the forum that have the coilovers in and are about 1 inch higher than me because im also using tubular a arms. Its fun to go to a show and see a stock height tbss and say man thats a 4x4 lol. Im sure someone will come out with something for your guys trucks.

I'm just not a fan of wheel wells cutting off the top of the tire on most vehicles. Looks kind of funny to me. I like my tire to stop almost even with the wheel well, if not with a slim gap. Just my opinion. :)

And I think I'd be scared to lower my SRT-8 with how low the front lip is stock. :eek:

Azz Kickin? lmaooo. I Will not post in here anymore, but i will say when ur in the area feel free to find me cause if u have a GC SRT8 i will find u!! It won't b a happy day for you, but hey your the one who went with a 50k SUV! I sure hope on your next purchase you will think b4 u make that big of a purchase.

Regarding the 50K SUV comment. The GC SRT8 starts at 40K. Many of us paid at or below sticker price. Some even received employee pricing during the summer months and got 4-5K off sticker. The 2006's fully loaded (nav, etc) were around 44K. Many magazines write about how the GC SRT8 is such a great value. It competes very will with the Cayenne Turbo in all categories for half the price. The few extra dollars over a TBSS allows the GCSRT8 to compete with much higher priced SUVs (stock).

Who in Bay Area wants to race? lol... Sucks when SS guys come in here doesn't it?
Tune, Kooks Headers, Stall,Borla/Corsa SS exhaust,e-fans,u/d pulleys??? Hmm i love having so many options when Santa is on his way!

No...doesn't suck at all. We love to see guys who realize they have to get many of the mods listed above to even get close to us STOCK....And do your homework.....many of us have gotton the ride for 40 or less....not 50k

Maybe your right and you shouldn't post anymore...unless you want to keep getting a gentle spanking regarding your opinions. :D

I'd pick a used HD F-150 over the Ram SRT-10 Quad-Cab. In fact that is what I traded in for my SRT-8. A few minor mods (pulleys, tuner, etc...) and the HD will run rings around the SRT-10. I drove an SRT-10 Quad-Cab a week before buying the SRT-8 and I was completely unimpressed. Didn't feel spectacular at all.

Th HD only seats 5...I need the front 3 passenfer seat. Also, from what I have read, the MOPAR ecm tune makes these things roll mid 13s...

Th HD only seats 5...I need the front 3 passenfer seat. Also, from what I have read, the MOPAR ecm tune makes these things roll mid 13s...

12's, easy, with minor upgrades. Saw one in September run a 12.5 with an N/A engine (70 degrees, 80% humidity, 1000 ft above sea level).

SRT-10 > Ford HD

12's, easy, with minor upgrades. Saw one in September run a 12.5 with an N/A engine (70 degrees, 80% humidity, 1000 ft above sea level).

SRT-10 > Ford HD

I don't see 1-1.5 second ¼-mile drop from a few minor mods on a heavy NA powered truck. Are you sure you're talking about the Quad-Cab and not the Standard cab with a manual? What mods are we talking?

I don't see 1-1.5 second ¼-mile drop from a few minor mods on a heavy NA powered truck. Are you sure you're talking about the Quad-Cab and not the Standard cab with a manual? What mods are we talking?

What's a quad cab?


I'd pick a used HD F-150 over the Ram SRT-10 Quad-Cab. In fact that is what I traded in for my SRT-8. A few minor mods (pulleys, tuner, etc...) and the HD will run rings around the SRT-10. I drove an SRT-10 Quad-Cab a week before buying the SRT-8 and I was completely unimpressed. Didn't feel spectacular at all.


I do not see a 300 hp Ford with simple bolt-ons trumping a 500 HP, V-10 powered Viper Truck. Even the Roush F-150 is inferior.

What's a quad cab?

I do not see a 300 hp Ford with simple bolt-ons trumping a 500 HP, V-10 powered Viper Truck. Even the Roush F-150 is inferior.

Quad-Cab = http://www.drivesrt.com/en/dodge/srt10_quad_cab/index.html

Since you're referencing 300hp, I'm gonna bet you're talking about the new HD F-150. In that case, then yes the Dodge will trump it. I'm talking about the 2002-2003 HD F-150 with the slightly detuned Lightning motor. A few easy bolt-ons nearly equals the Dodge in RWHP, it's not as heavy & the tranny gearing is better.

What up ugotmale? Different site and you're still too far away. Come on down to Los Angeles for an azz kickin:rolleyes:

Ill be in chatsworth ca in 3 weeks if you want ot meet up and put your theory to the test ;) Id love to meet up with a few srt8 owners and just play around a little.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/SS/blower.jpg

Sweet! :eek:

Ill be in chatsworth ca in 3 weeks if you want ot meet up and put your theory to the test ;) Id love to meet up with a few srt8 owners and just play around a little.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/SS/blower.jpg


At least you have your priorities in order:

1) Procure and install supercharger.
2) Update furniture.

Quad-Cab = http://www.drivesrt.com/en/dodge/srt10_quad_cab/index.html

Since you're referencing 300hp, I'm gonna bet you're talking about the new HD F-150. In that case, then yes the Dodge will trump it. I'm talking about the 2002-2003 HD F-150 with the slightly detuned Lightning motor. A few easy bolt-ons nearly equals the Dodge in RWHP, it's not as heavy & the tranny gearing is better.

The Lightning was supercharged, and produced 370 hp. Did your HD have a supercharger?

At least you have your priorities in order:

1) Procure and install supercharger.
2) Update furniture.

:D :p :D :D :D :D

I was thinking the exact same thing!!! LOL!!!!!

Hey NORCAL, not only do I have a nicer ride than you, I also have sense enough to know that floral pattern furniture is hideous. Did your grandmother pick that furniture out for you? I'm surprised that couch isn't covered with plastic slip covers :p

Chances are though, you have a $32K vehicle and live in a $20K trailer. And if that's the case, I can see why you haven't updated your furniture recently....it's not in the budget;)

The Lightning was supercharged, and produced 370 hp. Did your HD have a supercharger?

Yes, sir. The 2002-2003 HDs had the same motor as the Lightning. The only difference was a slightly smaller upper pulley (3.0x" vs. 2.9x") that netted 2lbs of boost less than the L. The '01+ L was advertised at 380hp/450tq and the '02-03 HD was advertised at 340hp/425tq. I dynoed at 331rwhp/405rwtq on a 78° day, so that's a little underated.

Yes, sir. The 2002-2003 HDs had the same motor as the Lightning. The only difference was a slightly smaller upper pulley (3.0x" vs. 2.9x") that netted 2lbs of boost less than the L. The '01+ L was advertised at 380hp/450tq and the '02-03 HD was advertised at 340hp/425tq. I dynoed at 331rwhp/405rwtq on a 78° day, so that's a little underated.


Good stuff! But, for the HD to equal the HP/Weight ratio of the SRT-10, at least 120 more horses are needed. Tough challenge, even with a tune and bolt-ons.

At least you have your priorities in order:

1) Procure and install supercharger.
2) Update furniture.

LOL Thats at my buddys shop you can see the race jacket in the background. im 28 and honestly being 28 i have my priorities. let me show you some. Some of you guys are so quick to put people down before you get the entire story (barho). I like having different vehicles and way the sti handles with the supension upgraded no comment on that one. Ss for a trailor park home, the homes like mine in the bay area ca are going for well trust me you cant get anything thats 6 bedrooms 4 bathrooms 3 car garage 3100 square feet for less than 1 milllion bucks. I think socal its the same way especailly if you live in los angeles
MY BOAT
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/s4.jpg
vid of it
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/th_Movie_0001.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/?action=view&current=Movie_0001.flv)

my truck i bought just to tow the boat
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/a1.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/a4.jpg

what my garage looks like
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/h9.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/h6.jpg

oh yah and my other toys
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/sti5.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/boat11.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/COLORADO/rts3.jpg just sold that

and my wifes f150
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/F150/f1501.jpg

VERY NICE NORCAL!!!!

Just messing with you!!

Looks like you've got quite a few nice rides. And, yes, I know that California is expensive ;)

Good stuff! But, for the HD to equal the HP/Weight ratio of the SRT-10, at least 120 more horses are needed. Tough challenge, even with a tune and bolt-ons.

Well, with the HD weighing nearly 500lbs less than the SRT-10, the HD only needs another 75 flywheel hp to equal the Dodge's Hp/Weight ratio. That's not that far off after a 6# lower pulley and hand-held tune for $500. But we can bench-race all day with each of us giving opinions......;)

NORCAL SS nice rides man! SWEET!

Hey, y'all made the folks at the TBSS site pretty happy. Check it out

trailblazerss.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5042&hl=srt8

Dont include all tbss owners in the same group. Just like there are people here that talk trash to tbss owners the same goes over there. I got put down allready on this site and i didnt bash back at all

Hey, no offence intended. Just figured the folks on this site would be interested in the parallel (?) thread on the TBSS site. From my perspective, anyone who likes their truck enough to get excited about is ok in my books.

I had a fun drive home accompanied by a very nice, white TBSS. The owner gave me thumbs up on my ride and I returned the respect. We had fun zipping through traffic on the NJ Turnpike.

I had a fun drive home accompanied by a very nice, white TBSS. The owner gave me thumbs up on my ride and I returned the respect. We had fun zipping through traffic on the NJ Turnpike.
Thats the way it should be.

http://www.trailblazerss.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5042&st=0


ya'll are more than welcome to join in on the discussion over there.:) ....My next ride would be a srt8 if anything happens to the tbss

I all ready hit it. ;)

Speaking of hitting it, I went WOT on the way home in the middle lane, and had to slow down for a car in front of me... The guy to my left slowed down right beside me (his lane was open, he didn't have to slow down), in a Jetta or something... And I could see him with his head in the passenger window looking over at me. :D

Too bad, a little ways up the road, he cut me off while I was doing 70 mph and he was doing 60 mph. :eek: :rolleyes:

sure come over and join our club we would love to have ya. But remember we all have to play nice:D No matter whos was cheaper or who has what mods they are both bad ass rides we are driving and demand respect:cool: This is the SUV's VS all lets stick together

Jamie

I had a fun drive home accompanied by a very nice, white TBSS. The owner gave me thumbs up on my ride and I returned the respect. We had fun zipping through traffic on the NJ Turnpike.
Very nice. I want to run with one! :)

I toyed with a Blue one, one day, but for whatever reason, she didn't want to play... Hopefully another time. :D

Sounds like these SUVs were running very well at the track that day! Get a lot of comments from non-SUV owners? :cool:

http://www.trailblazerss.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5042&st=0


ya'll are more than welcome to join in on the discussion over there.:) ....My next ride would be a srt8 if anything happens to the tbss

Just read this thread on that site. Some interesting characters over there.

Just read this thread on that site. Some interesting characters over there.

Yup good group of guy/girls cant forget about you Ashley. :) I think we all have problems spending this much time on computers. How would we have done this 15 years ago:confused:

here ya go...this one got fun
http://forums.trailvoy.com/showthread.php?t=17927

Cartek in NJ built Paul's 8 sec stock bottom end LSx Z06. He just sold it, it got shipped overseas but anyone in the ETown, Atco, Cecil County, Island Dragway area knows all about it.

As far as the money? Ok, so you paid $40K. Most of these guys bought their TBSS's for under $30K! So as a drag racer I would always get the most bang for my buck and get a motor like an LS2 that's so easy to mod the parts call you on the phone and say "hello, can I come over and give you more horsepower please?"

I like the SRT8's a lot, they are wicked badass. But I could have bought whatever I wanted and I chose the LS2 because I want to go REAL fast, not just fast.

Nate;
How's it going? You are a class act on every forum I've seen you on. Peace!

Pippyippyyappy;
You live 8 miles from Atco but I don't see any times in your sig? What up dawg?

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Bill
coupla fast cars, coupla trophies :)

I need 4 posts to post a pic?

Love Atco
http://www.inegma.net/mb/uploads/post-126-1166154442.jpg

Cartek in NJ built Paul's 8 sec stock bottom end LSx Z06. He just sold it, it got shipped overseas but anyone in the ETown, Atco, Cecil County, Island Dragway area knows all about it.




maybe you can provide me with some kind of a link to proof of this? I spent about 2hrs on the corvette board looking and I cant find a single 8 second STOCK bottom end Corvette on there, or anything even close. Found a few 9 second 346 cid cars on boost but thy were NOT stock bottom ends, stock CID but not stock parts. (and those were 9’s not 8’s)

the person that apears to hold the recoard times for a N/A 346 (but is still not a stock bottem end) is:

Phil
1999 Corvette Coupe
Worlds Fastest 346" N/A Coupe
ET Cylinder Heads
NEW 346" N/A testing: 10.4 @ 132.4 N/A


and the cars Cartek seems to be showing as there flagships are

CARTEK 388cid Cartek/Sts Single GTS-76 Turbo RPM 4L60E. Cage by NEVERLIFT 9.33@149

and

Cartek 441CID , All -Motor best of 9.95/137.95


A guy named Paul Major owns a Vette Doctors built Zo-6 thats billed as the Worlds Fastest and Quickest C5 Z06, it's running a 402 CID motor and huge turbo in a full blown race car. He also has listed as his OLD set-up a 422cid with big spray Best ET 8.72 MPH 158.82


Still cant find and Stock bottem end cars that are even close to as fast as you are talking about.

Who in Bay Area wants to race? lol... Sucks when SS guys come in here doesn't it?
Tune, Kooks Headers, Stall,Borla/Corsa SS exhaust,e-fans,u/d pulleys??? Hmm i love having so many options when Santa is on his way!

Hmmm....I'm in the Bay Area

HEY HOWS2nd what are u up to this weekend? ill be hitting the street races again wondering if you would like to run against me. i have a few bolt ons.

we are going to be in san jose then tracy.

HEY HOWS2nd what are u up to this weekend? ill be hitting the street races again wondering if you would like to run against me. i have a few bolt ons.

we are going to be in san jose then tracy.

I'm getting a little to old for the street race scene....but I'm going to try and make it up to Sac on Saturday for test and tune if the weather holds out.

I'm getting a little to old for the street race scene....but I'm going to try and make it up to Sac on Saturday for test and tune if the weather holds out.

you will prob see the tbss i worked on runs low 11s at 122 was his best trap speed. he tried the 200 shot blew teh tranny. he ended up doing a power glide conversion with a gear vendor overdrive. tranny has a 3500 stall with a transbrake and said it pulls much better now. they didnt kick him off the track last time hopefully not this time either. License plate reads ONDBOTL

AND how old is to old?? 2 weeks ago we had the 10.5 street tire shoot out in dixon. 300 dollar buy in 80 cars. then night after in livermore came down to the final 4 it was a great time. You had to run street tires (et streets ok) largest is 10.5 (no 10.5 w) and talles height 28 inches.

there were 8 second cars otu there but if you cant hook on the street it doesnt matter. here goes the car that won. the vega had a 26x9.5x15 mickey thompson drag radial (which is like a 235 60 15) total sleeper. it runs high 8s low 9s and hooks just as hard on the street as the track. the car is less than 2200 pounds with driver ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xlVKIAYMU0

you will prob see the tbss i worked on runs low 11s at 122 was his best trap speed. he tried the 200 shot blew teh tranny. he ended up doing a power glide conversion with a gear vendor overdrive. tranny has a 3500 stall with a transbrake and said it pulls much better now. they didnt kick him off the track last time hopefully not this time either. License plate reads ONDBOTL

Nice... I'll look for for him. Where is you shop located?

work out of my garage in san francisco. side job of mine.

Cartek in NJ built Paul's 8 sec stock bottom end LSx Z06. He just sold it, it got shipped overseas but anyone in the ETown, Atco, Cecil County, Island Dragway area knows all about it.

As far as the money? Ok, so you paid $40K. Most of these guys bought their TBSS's for under $30K! So as a drag racer I would always get the most bang for my buck and get a motor like an LS2 that's so easy to mod the parts call you on the phone and say "hello, can I come over and give you more horsepower please?"

I like the SRT8's a lot, they are wicked badass. But I could have bought whatever I wanted and I chose the LS2 because I want to go REAL fast, not just fast.

Nate;
How's it going? You are a class act on every forum I've seen you on. Peace!

Pippyippyyappy;
You live 8 miles from Atco but I don't see any times in your sig? What up dawg?

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Bill
coupla fast cars, coupla trophies :)

There are no times, because I haven't ran it yet! ;) Honestly, I probably will never put it on the track. Now, my 07 Z06....that's another story. :D

What are these TBSS guys talking about regarding price? I just built a TBSS online and tried to match the options as close as possible to a typical GCSRT8. The sticker came out to $42,310.00. A mid to low 30K TBSS has cloth interior, no nav, no DVD, 2WD, no climate control, etc. The GC SRT8 comes standard with a lot more features like leather, AWD, etc. So when we compare models with similiar features/options, the GC SRT8 is a no brainer because it is a lot faster and handles better out of the factory. This is meant to be a stock to stock comparison.

Nate;
How's it going? You are a class act on every forum I've seen you on. Peace!
Hi Bill, doing well and just trying to keep it real. How about you? :)

Welcome to the forums! :D

jlandbl, I know, I'm getting lost on some of these price comparisons, too. :confused:

Either way, I still think the Jeep ships with a lot for the money... :cool:

What are these TBSS guys talking about regarding price? I just built a TBSS online and tried to match the options as close as possible to a typical GCSRT8. The sticker came out to $42,310.00. A mid to low 30K TBSS has cloth interior, no nav, no DVD, 2WD, no climate control, etc. The GC SRT8 comes standard with a lot more features like leather, AWD, etc. So when we compare models with similiar features/options, the GC SRT8 is a no brainer because it is a lot faster and handles better out of the factory. This is meant to be a stock to stock comparison.


carsdirect.com great prices i bought 8 trucks/cars from them

loaded 2wd tbss with leather, sunroof, 6disk cd changer bose system and onstar 33943 plus tax and license

loaded srt8 loaded with sunroof and all that 44445 plus tax and license.

so total is more than 11k difference out the door. Dealers in my area want about 49-50k out the door for the jeep with the srt option group1 out the door. carsdirect is a little cheaper.


so so its 48500 out the door for the jeep vs the 37k out the door for the trailblazer ss. 11500 dollars more in this case?? also the trailblazer ss you can get for cheaper now at the dealer because gm is letting them go. my buddy got a new fully loaded tbss 07 for 34200 out the door. Now he went to the jeep dealership and the best he could do is 48900 out the door. this was with the srt option group 1.

carsdirect.com great prices i bought 8 trucks/cars from them

loaded 2wd tbss with leather, sunroof, 6disk cd changer bose system and onstar 33943 plus tax and license

loaded srt8 loaded with sunroof and all that 44445 plus tax and license.

so total is more than 11k difference out the door. Dealers in my area want about 49-50k out the door for the jeep with the srt option group1 out the door. carsdirect is a little cheaper.

They have a 07 Black one in Dublin for a mere $63,995 (asking price).

Thats what im talkin about lol. for me spending more than 45k on a suv is kinda out there. My wife is like look if we are giong to spend 50k otu the door on a suv might as well put in another 20k on the new z06 (out buddy runs courtesy chevy in san jose) We went down there and sat in the z06 and im 6'5 and right away i was like umm this isnt going to work well lol

carsdirect.com great prices i bought 8 trucks/cars from them

loaded 2wd tbss with leather, sunroof, 6disk cd changer bose system and onstar 33943 plus tax and license

loaded srt8 loaded with sunroof and all that 44445 plus tax and license.
so total is more than 11k difference out the door. Dealers in my area want about 49-50k out the door for the jeep with the srt option group1 out the door. carsdirect is a little cheaper.

so so its 48500 out the door for the jeep vs the 37k out the door for the trailblazer ss. 11500 dollars more in this case?? also the trailblazer ss you can get for cheaper now at the dealer because gm is letting them go. my buddy got a new fully loaded tbss 07 for 34200 out the door. Now he went to the jeep dealership and the best he could do is 48900 out the door. this was with the srt option group 1.

My point exactly. You are not comparing apples to apples. 2wd is not AWD. Onstar is not equiv to nav. No DVD, no rear camera, no climate control. We really need to compare models with exact same options. Yes the GC SRT8 with the same options as a TBSS will still turn out to be more but not as much as you say. But the few extra dollars gets you the added peformance in stock form. Remember, many members here paid 38-39K for fully loaded models that had 44-45k stickers during EP this past summer. So that matches whatever program GM is doing now per your post.

I actually bought mine before EP in June and paid under sticker. During this same time I priced, test drove a TBSS and knew the 2-3K I would have saved (at that time using the sources/dealers I had available to me) on the TBSS would not have been worth it since I would have lost significant performance. Remember, I'm someone who prefers to keep my rides stock.

We also cannot use cardirect.com as the only source of purchase. The reality is, the prices are not that different if you compare the same options and shop around. The only major difference is performance (stock vs. stock) in my opinion.

ok just went back.

awd tbss loaded with onstar, rear dvd, navi system and all that 37990

then just to go back to the jeep with the same optoins (didnt choose dvd before) so fully loaded jeep awd came out to 46090

so tbss equipped the same as a srt8 right now today pricing the jeep would be 50400 out the door and the trailblazer ss would be 41700.

and also when gm had the speical pricing and rebates like they did for the srt8s you could get a fully loaded trailblazer ss with leather onstar dvd all that for 31k out the door. the non leahter was about 28k out the door.


dealers out here are asses on the srt8s. like i said 50k out the door. When i bought mine a year ago (32100 out the door) it was the way to go because thats the time the srt8s started coming out in my area and they wanted more than 50. i put 28k cash down and doing the srt8 my payments would have been 2 times as much a month. Way i saw it for the price difference i could build a killer truck instead of starting at a 50k mark and start to make it faster.

point of story is as long as you are happy with your purchase thats all that matters.

ok just went back.

awd tbss loaded with onstar, rear dvd, navi system and all that 37990

then just to go back to the jeep with the same optoins (didnt choose dvd before) so fully loaded jeep awd came out to 46090

so tbss equipped the same as a srt8 right now today pricing the jeep would be 50400 out the door and the trailblazer ss would be 41700.

and also when gm had the speical pricing and rebates like they did for the srt8s you could get a fully loaded trailblazer ss with leather onstar dvd all that for 31k out the door. the non leahter was about 28k out the door.


dealers out here are asses on the srt8s. like i said 50k out the door. When i bought mine a year ago (32100 out the door) it was the way to go because thats the time the srt8s started coming out in my area and they wanted more than 50. i put 28k cash down and doing the srt8 my payments would have been 2 times as much a month. Way i saw it for the price difference i could build a killer truck instead of starting at a 50k mark and start to make it faster.

point of story is as long as you are happy with your purchase thats all that matters.

Yes, agree. One has to be happy with their purchase. I send in my monthly payment each month with a smile. Unfortunately, the price does depend on timing and location. At different times of the year and in certain locations of the country, the price difference could be high. But if you time it right and shop around, you might get a decent deal.

yah in my case the price difference between the two i was able to get for my tbss the magnacharger, long tube headers with custom true duals, electric fan converstion, hp tuners, aem wide band, billet servos, yank sc3000 stall, coilovers, rear sway bar, billet bowtie, front euro lights, alpine touch screen dvd player, jl audio 500x1 and 300x4 amps, jl audio 12w6v2 sub and box, polk momos front and rear 6.5 components and a few other things and still have about 7 grand to go to be even with the purchase of a srt8 when i bought my truck. yah so it made sense to go with the tbss for me.

As they say, you don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate. We have a deal with a national fleet leasing agent; any vehicle built by the big three ...$2k under invoice. That made the SRT8 a no brainer.

even 2k under invoice isnt the srt8 45k out the door? i wish out here they gave that kind of deal they just dotn budge up here.

Actually, it can be done for around $40k under our contract (no options) ... of course volume is a big driver.

Needless to say on a lease, no mods unless you are sure about keeping it after it terms out.

Needless to say on a lease, no mods unless you are sure about keeping it after it terms out.
Or, as in my case, only do mods that you are able to remove and put the stock parts back on before you turn it in.

What are these TBSS guys talking about regarding price? I just built a TBSS online and tried to match the options as close as possible to a typical GCSRT8. The sticker came out to $42,310.00. A mid to low 30K TBSS has cloth interior, no nav, no DVD, 2WD, no climate control, etc. The GC SRT8 comes standard with a lot more features like leather, AWD, etc. So when we compare models with similiar features/options, the GC SRT8 is a no brainer because it is a lot faster and handles better out of the factory. This is meant to be a stock to stock comparison.

In my case i went through a buddy who owns a Sales N Leasing firm here in the Bay Area. I didn't pay anything close to 40k for mine and its loaded- leather everything, rear dvd, sunroof, only think it doesn't have is navi which i don't need.
Its called wheel n deal my friend!

It's not about need, it's about want. I didn't need a GC SRT8 with 420 bhp, I wanted one. I didn't need a nav system, I wanted one, and I rarely use it, but do like it when I have used it! And some of the things I happen to want cost $$.

I do agree, though, it's about dealing all right.

I'm pretty happy with the vehicle, she's served me well as a daily driver, and on a huge road trip. It was a big cheque, but I got the ride I wanted and gave my twin sister my previous Jeep GC, trading in her p.o.s. car.

Hey, we both won, big time! Christmas came in June. :D

:rolleyes: i think a few of you needed the bigger jeep just to hold your ego

Who me? Why? And why would you feel the need to make a blanket statement like that, Matt? :confused:

Who me? Why? And why would you feel the need to make a blanket statement like that, Matt? :confused:

no, not you in the least. just some of the ego's around here (won't name names, but you can guess) are overwhelming. putting down the TB like you're driving a Bentley, you're still driving a jeep. dont get me wrong, it's a nice jeep. i love the way they look and i love the performance they offer out of the box. when i bought the TB the jeep was VERY high on the list of vehicles i wanted, but there were none to be found when i made my purchase, so that fact alone settled which one i was going to go with. i haven't been disappointed with my purchase either.

most of the members on here are cool, just a bunch of car enthusiasts that want to go fast, like me. but there are a few (just like with ANY group of people) that are pompous pricks that think they're a God among insects. and the TBSS crowd has the same kind of people, they think the TBSS is king of the mole hill, and i have the same attitude toward them. i just ask myself how can 2 groups of grown ass people act so childish? a little shameless plugging is one thing...i do it with my friends that drive fords all the time, but i do give credit where credit is due (i.e. 03+ cobra). i dont swear the camaro SS is superior just because it's wearing the chevy nameplate instead of the ford.

Now I know what an Oldsmobile Bravada looks like lowered.


http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/SS/coilover5.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/SS/coilover7.jpg

another ass comment. 3rd time i was bashed and not called for at all. I didnt put your jeeps down at all so why dont you just show some respect because i have.

another ass comment. 3rd time i was bashed and not called for at all. I didnt put your jeeps down at all so why dont you just show some respect because i have.
Are you really going to let a newbie comment bother you? Here is a re-cap of his awesome 4-post total:

#1 - Complains about a mild racial remark for his very first post
#2 - Moves to another thread and continues to complain about the previous subject
#3 - Complains about a cop giving advice & "insider info" on radar detectors
#4 - Shows their ignorance by thinking a Bravada looks like a TB

understood just dont know why people try to start **** for no reason.

Norcal, you know better, those remarks are people who are ANGRY about something in their own lives and use this forum (especially a "rival" like us) to take it out on.. Many of you guys are great, but just as many are from the "Benz & Bimmer" crowd and just wanted "the" hottest truck around, you got it..and you paid plenty for it..that's for sure.. it's that, that makes it much more satisfying to leave them in the dust at the track! ;) and still get 20mpg on the ride home..gotta love modern technology, stall it up to 3400, shift extension at 5200 and still 1800 RPM @65mph Thank God for Precision Industries Good luck with your trucks guys, they're beautiful and I like them alot, just not 45k+ alot, or $650/mo "alot" either..

Like Mustang vs Camaro, we will NEVER see "eye to eye".. I'd have it no other way either....

I hope you guys hang around. It's been educational for me reading your posts and views. We both know we have nice rides that are in a special class. Like I said earlier, I love American muscle, therefore we are better off united. I read some posts on your site. Some good stuff and some good folks. I have enough trouble keeping up with this site so I probably won't register on your site. But you know I'll check it out when I have time (ya know, when the kids go to bed).

no, not you in the least. just some of the ego's around here (won't name names, but you can guess) are overwhelming.
Ah, okay.

This might not be the best vehicles for these people, at 6'3", the JGC SRT8 is tight on 'head-room'. ;)

You probably want to take some of these off-hand, absurd comments with a grain of salt. I was on another forum discussing performance oriented SUVs, and when I mentioned the GC SRT8 shipped with Brembos, the guy referred to my vehicle as a 'ricer'. A comment so crazy, there's nothing left to do but laugh, hard. :D

Nope, I'm on board with the TBSS conceptually, and that their owners pretty much want to drive fast. I've had some good discussions with TBSS owners, to boot... :)

It's 95% of MN drivers I can't stand, it took me 1.25 hours to cover 13 miles last night! A stretch of good road, that should only require 25 minutes, if I'm taking it easy! No accidents, good weather, no good reason for that! :confused: :rolleyes:

Erm, I'm not sure what's wrong with Benz' and Bimmers or their owners, either... My old man has a Caddy and Benz, and has had numerous Bimmers, and he's a damn good, and down to earth, guy! I've never owned either, but have driven both, a lot, and they're nice vehicles to be sure... My neighbor has a nice new Bimmer, and we've had some pretty good, and friendly, discussions about our rides and performance... :confused:

Hey its Xmas time, every1 get along!! lol.... like stated many times we have the SS owners (like me) and the Jeep owners which we have in here and we all own gr8 SUVS that turn heads when their out n about. No bashing required and just be safe and njoy modding your suvs to your desired fit. If i put 5-10k into my SS in mods does that make me a better person? No it doesn't. If i put 5k into my ss and i can enjoy it each time i drive it does that make me a better person? NO!.
Bottom line is go out n njoy an SUV that many out there will and can never have in life.... Peace from the Grinch.....

Well said Ugot.

Well said Ugot.

I agree, its all about what makes you happy and what you like, who cares what someone else think, and as an enthusiats ide love to have an SS also Ide mod it up the ass.

And the arguing is pointless, me and TonyGXP used to bicker on the other 2 forums like 2 lil kids SRT8 this SS that, we met at the track and are now friends, no hating etc. Its hard to know who is cool and who just being a dic*

After you put a face to a name at the track its a different ballgame, with that said I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a safe holiday, SRT8 or SS we have SUV's capable of 12 and even better :D


And anyway Tony knows the SRT8 is faster and Red is faster then Silver.;)

I agree, its all about what makes you happy and what you like, who cares what someone else think, and as an enthusiats ide love to have an SS also Ide mod it up the ass.

And the arguing is pointless, me and TonyGXP used to bicker on the other 2 forums like 2 lil kids SRT8 this SS that, we met at the track and are now friends, no hating etc. Its hard to know who is cool and who just being a dic*

After you put a face to a name at the track its a different ballgame, with that said I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a safe holiday, SRT8 or SS we have SUV's capable of 12 and even better :D


And anyway Tony knows the SRT8 is faster and Red is faster then Silver.;)

Don't worry I am watching the weather with one eye and phone in the other, if I have to I'll rent the track my self on the next "-2807'DA" DAY:D and remember mark beat you, I beat Mark (w/o N2o), so what does that say my Nemesis??

Don't worry I am watching the weather with one eye and phone in the other, if I have to I'll rent the track my self on the next "-2807'DA" DAY:D and remember mark beat you, I beat Mark (w/o N2o), so what does that say my Nemesis??


Its the Bizzarro thing im telling you!

Next meeting we need to line up you evil twin you!

Its the Bizzarro thing im telling you!

Next meeting we need to line up you evil twin you!
oh the smack down you will receive... remember we were running the same times before my Converter, that picked me up .4 & 2mph in the 1/4 (not to mention dropped me from 1.90 to 1.67 60') get your heads/Cam first, to at least make it presentable:cool: .... you NEED to go by same day results, DA' varies too much in this type of weather.. use this as a measuring stick... same mods as you (Driver difference if any negligable, as mark has been Drag Racing for a long time)

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n141/TonyTBSS/th_12-1.jpg (http://s111.photobucket.com/albums/n141/TonyTBSS/?action=view&current=12-1.flv)

These rediculous arguments will go on forever. The problem is you are dealing with ego's and subjective matters. Each person wants to feel confident that they have the "better" vehicle. Fact is, it will never end.

Lets all appreciate eachothers fine rides, and take solace in the fact that we have kick azz SUV's that outperform most performance cars. :)

Erm, I'm not sure what's wrong with Benz' and Bimmers or their owners, either... My old man has a Caddy and Benz, and has had numerous Bimmers, and he's a damn good, and down to earth, guy!
Just got an email from the aforementioned Benz owner, here's a quote for the holidays:


Nate.........When are you showing up in the Black Sleigh with 420 reindeer??
Ha ha ha! :D

Respect. And when he has driven my Jeep, he's extra careful with it, e.g., he double parks it! :confused:

I've never seen him do this with any of rides, including his Caddy, Jag, Benz or big Bimmer... And they all cost more than this vehicle did, quite a bit in some cases. In fact, he asked me to rework my will as to who gets this Jeep should something happen to me. ;) :cool:

oh the smack down you will receive... remember we were running the same times before my Converter, that picked me up .4 & 2mph in the 1/4 (not to mention dropped me from 1.90 to 1.67 60') get your heads/Cam first, to at least make it presentable:cool: .... you NEED to go by same day results, DA' varies too much in this type of weather.. use this as a measuring stick... same mods as you (Driver difference if any negligable, as mark has been Drag Racing for a long time)





Hey you need to lose a little to learn to win! See this is what drives me nuts, I can mod it up the ass, but without a tune, oh man dont get me started Tony.

And BTW guys me and Tony are friends so were not arguing, just friendly jabbereing back and fourth!

Inferno,

I don't know if this is a stupid question or just a easy answer for you? lol.... I see you have these mods under your pic, but NO TUNE? Why is that? Im not bashing im just curious because thats the first thing i did to my ss as many others did and you seem to have a few nice mods done to your Jeep w/o a tune involved?
Like the ol saying goes the one who dies with the most toys wins, but here its" him who dies with the most HP shalled me deemed GODFATHER" LOL.

Inferno,

I don't know if this is a stupid question or just a easy answer for you? lol.... I see you have these mods under your pic, but NO TUNE? Why is that? Im not bashing im just curious because thats the first thing i did to my ss as many others did and you seem to have a few nice mods done to your Jeep w/o a tune involved?
Like the ol saying goes the one who dies with the most toys wins, but here its" him who dies with the most HP shalled me deemed GODFATHER" LOL.


No tunes available for the SRT8 or any DCX vehicle for that fact, noone can crack the ECU, TCM etc.

Oooo i see, thanks... Hey Inferno how u like the Kooks headers, im thinking bout gettin them for my SS the first part of 07.

Oooo i see, thanks... Hey Inferno how u like the Kooks headers, im thinking bout gettin them for my SS the first part of 07.


Do it!!!! There was an SS there being fitted for heads when I was getting mine installed at KOOKS.

Do it!!!! There was an SS there being fitted for heads when I was getting mine installed at KOOKS.

Yea probably the Guy i talk to over at SS site who got them to fit his SS. How much the kooks run for the Jeep?

Yea probably the Guy i talk to over at SS site who got them to fit his SS. How much the kooks run for the Jeep?


About 2K installed give ot take a few hundered.

About 2K installed give ot take a few hundered.

that's big bucks.. but what else can you do? H&C, you'd need the headers anyway, they're like a "neccesary evil" to take that truck anywhere... I will do some exhaust work (that's right..STOCK exhaust) at some point, but given the ample amount of mods "we" have available, knowing the archilles heel of this truck was the Converter, that money was better spent there than any exhaust work... You guys aren't going to see .4 reduction with a good converter, you already have a loose one plus another gear, but having said that..What else can you do, if you're not going to tear into the engine or add a power adder (Big $$$ other than N2o).. I don't know but my guess is tuning, real in depth control may not arrive for years, cause if it was anything easy to get into, they've already had plenty of time (2+yrs) with the 5.7, hell go back to the intro of the new (not real BTW, hate me I don't care) HEMI... Daimler did some job on the encryption... but it sucks for the aftermarket.. You guys are doing fine though, the SRT8 is much more stout stock for stock...

that's big bucks.. but what else can you do? H&C, you'd need the headers anyway, they're like a "neccesary evil" to take that truck anywhere... I will do some exhaust work (that's right..STOCK exhaust) at some point, but given the ample amount of mods "we" have available, knowing the archilles heel of this truck was the Converter, that money was better spent there than any exhaust work... You guys aren't going to see .4 reduction with a good converter, you already have a loose one plus another gear, but having said that..What else can you do, if you're not going to tear into the engine or add a power adder (Big $$$ other than N2o).. I don't know but my guess is tuning, real in depth control may not arrive for years, cause if it was anything easy to get into, they've already had plenty of time (2+yrs) with the 5.7, hell go back to the intro of the new (not real BTW, hate me I don't care) HEMI... Daimler did some job on the encryption... but it sucks for the aftermarket.. You guys are doing fine though, the SRT8 is much more stout stock for stock...


Im waiting to see results first on the heads and cam, but from what ive read so far this may be the next big gain mod for us anyway, Hey easy with the HEMI comments! It still has a hemispherical chamber so its the NEW style HEMI. To good of a job on encryption if you ask me. Is ok man I dont hate you, your still aiight ;) BIZZARO!

BTW what do you think cam and heads will do to long term drivability?

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Me and you both!

No tunes available for the SRT8 or any DCX vehicle for that fact, noone can crack the ECU, TCM etc.

My buddies have been complaining about that for years. I am surprised the factory doesn't sell an aftermarket tune (a safe but more aggressive one).

Whoever cracks the code will be an instant bazillionaire. Maybe even a mega-bazillionaire.

My buddies have been complaining about that for years. I am surprised the factory doesn't sell an aftermarket tune (a safe but more aggressive one).

Whoever cracks the code will be an instant bazillionaire. Maybe even a mega-bazillionaire.

I agree 100%

I agree 100%

never happen.. the German equivalent to the CIA will "make him disappear" :D

never happen.. the German equivalent to the CIA will "make him disappear" :D

Tony man at this point I actually would beleive that. :(

So Tony u saying their basically FOCKED? LOLOLOL

The Bowtie Brothers just can't get over a Hemi! "Tony" have you ever seen a newer Hemi cylinder head? Two valves with two spark plugs between the valves, true they do have a small quench area but it is a modified Hemi Head as the experts say it is actually a better designed chamber shape than the old Hemi. Also most BT Bros say DC stole the LS Intake, another lie! It's even better as it is made out of Aluminum not cheap plastic crap, flows better. Now the 07 PCM has different start up codes, compared to the 06. "Proprietary" means the software is owned by the Mfg. and in this case DC. They own it and designed it so they have made it hard to hack into. I'm not supporting this but worked on other systems that had the same design. Racing a 2WD SUV against an AWD isn't a fair race in my book. The AWD TBSS are dogs when compared to the Jeep SRT8 in all comparisons. The local dealers here can't give away the TBSS's even with big under sticker discounts, the JGC are all back ordered and not stocked. A little off subject but addresses some additional comments too. Good Racing. Gene

AS far as a AWD being a dog i know one with a couple of bolt on CAI/TUNE/efans that will give you a run thats MINE. it runs 13-3 all day long 0n a 60 deg day. Stock yes they are a little slower but since when did high 13's low 14's become slow for a 4700lbs SUV??? The gc SRT8 is a bad ass ride dont get me wrong, but as time goes on and people start to see what the LS2 can do i think you will be seeing alot more of our tailightsAnd as far as the NEW hemi being better than the OLD are you kiddin:rolleyes: not even close.

Man, this thread takes me back 20 years when I spent way too much time at the track with a guy who is now my father in law (he did the interesting stuff, I tagged along mostly for the heavy lifting) and our joint project in in a '75 Apollo. He had three rules when it came to mods: Rule # 1; Car A can be modified to beat car B. Rule # 2: Car B can then be modified to beat Car A. Rule # 3: See Rule # 1.

This was reinforced to me this morning while I was getting the winter rubber installed & was reading an article about mods made to a crate hemi to generate 700 hps ... SSDD

No tunes available for the SRT8 or any DCX vehicle for that fact, noone can crack the ECU, TCM etc.

Not that I would do it, but it is not difficult to reverse engineer the chips if you have the right technology and tools. It's only a matter of time before somebody does this.

It would be nice if there were an open source format for the computers. It would open up the doors for a lot of new business interest, the consumers would get some real satisfcaction out of that, and it would probably open up a can of worms for the unexperienced tinkers (like me).

Imagine having embedded linux under the hood! Wooot!

So who's interested in working the new Tuner Open Source with me?
I have nothing to fund it with, no investors and only the dedication of my time working with source.

So what if you like Ford's or Chevy's or Toy's or just Jeeps.

Since we all went back and forth on price earlier in this thread, check out the price in the following thread link for a new GC SRT8:
http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2019

AS far as a AWD being a dog i know one with a couple of bolt on CAI/TUNE/efans that will give you a run thats MINE. it runs 13-3 all day long 0n a 60 deg day. Stock yes they are a little slower but since when did high 13's low 14's become slow for a 4700lbs SUV??? The gc SRT8 is a bad ass ride dont get me wrong, but as time goes on and people start to see what the LS2 can do i think you will be seeing alot more of our tailightsAnd as far as the NEW hemi being better than the OLD are you kiddin:rolleyes: not even close. What are you basing your comments? All the expert engine builders I know say; "better block design, better main webs, cross bolted mains, forged crank, floating pins with oilers, heads are more efficient than a pure Hemi" A AWD SSTB runs; at my local track 15 sec ET, faster than a JGC SRT8? I ran 13.6 bone stock, 650 miles on it. I'll take their comments over a NOVICE ANYDAY! Sorry. Reality works for me not BOW TIE BROTHER's COMMENTS! Gene

US BOW TIE BROTHERS will be having another meet in the northeast(renting track)you are more than WELCOME to join in we can show you how a 15sec TBSS runs;) 13.6 bone stock i would not be braging about that time your fellow srt owners are runing alot faster than that(stock) So i will keep you posted when. Im sure INFERNO SRT* will be their. He had a lot of fun runing with us BOW TIE BROTHERS :) NOVICE dont be so sure! Ever heard of 6 bolt mains do a little homework, before posting

I've never ran anything higher than a 13.8. My best was a 13.7 at 101mph in the first 3,000 miles I owned it. This was bone stock, down to the filter. Fully loaded AWD TBSS. My lauch technique was bad at the time, overloading the stock TC with 2,000-2,200 rpm lauch. Bogs off the line. Tony GXP and Inferno SRT turned me on to lower stalls. 1,000-1,500rpm is my sweet spot. I'll put about a $1,000 into it in the next couple months(Tune/CAI/Pulley or Exhaust), and I bet I get close to 12's this spring. I have heard it on this website before. The SRT's "ARE" a better performance vehicle, but not by much. They are consistantly faster at the track bone stock( due to posted times on various websites). But you better watch yourself because their are some fast SS's out there. I love my truck, I also love the SRT. In fact, I'm trying to talk my wife into one so I will own both. Stop all the bickering, enjoy your trucks!

Wow, Cant believe how many TBSS guys i recognize here!!
Glad to see! Its good to hear everyones comments on the 2 as I also am trying to decide on either an SS or an SRT8... Everyones got good info here!
currerntly looking at a used GCsrt8 used from corporate with 4000 miles on it at 35,000 inferno red,

Just need to sell the Signed (roush)
Need something to be able to compare to the power of that!:D

Aside from all the other stuff posted on Trailvoy, think of how many less SRT8s on the road there are. Aside from having vehicles I want, I love when not everyone and there mother has one. Whatever you decide, there's a bunch of great guys over here and on the other site.

Before I purchased my GC SRT8 I never seriously thought about the TB SS. This isn't a slam against the TB SS...just a fact. The TB SS provides great value for the money in an attractive package. What really killed the TB SS for me was the 4 speed auto, softer ride and second tier stock performance. When I say second tier stock performance, I mean that it is just outside the top tier SUV's... Cayenne Turbo and Turbo S, ML63, G55 and GC SRT8 (once again not slamming the TB SS...it has very decent performance). I wanted an AWD vehicle (didn't care much about off road capabilities or towing) with nice amenities, that looked menacing and was affordable (coming out of a 2002 BMW M5 and 2003 Audi RS6.... the GC SRT8 seems like the deal of the century). Yes...the TB SS can be modified pretty easily to run much faster than stock....but I really hate when people try to compare modded to stock. For example....you can do all sorts of engine work and slap a supercharger on a V-8 Ford Explorer for the price of a stock TB SS...and it will be faster.... but will it be a better vehicle than a stock TB SS... hell no!!!

Before I purchased my GC SRT8 I never seriously thought about the TB SS. This isn't a slam against the TB SS...just a fact. The TB SS provides great value for the money in an attractive package. What really killed the TB SS for me was the 4 speed auto, softer ride and second tier stock performance. When I say second tier stock performance, I mean that it is just outside the top tier SUV's... Cayenne Turbo and Turbo S, ML63, G55 and GC SRT8 (once again not slamming the TB SS...it has very decent performance). I wanted an AWD vehicle (didn't care much about off road capabilities or towing) with nice amenities, that looked menacing and was affordable (coming out of a 2002 BMW M5 and 2003 Audi RS6.... the GC SRT8 seems like the deal of the century). Yes...the TB SS can be modified pretty easily to run much faster than stock....but I really hate when people try to compare modded to stock. For example....you can do all sorts of engine work and slap a supercharger on a V-8 Ford Explorer for the price of a stock TB SS...and it will be faster.... but will it be a better vehicle than a stock TB SS... hell no!!!

Well said on all points. I agree.

I'm not a modder. I buy the most I can in stock form and leave it that way (just my personal preference). Therefore, I agree with your statement about the GC SRT8 being a great buy.

Wow, Cant believe how many TBSS guys i recognize here!!
Glad to see! Its good to hear everyones comments on the 2 as I also am trying to decide on either an SS or an SRT8... Everyones got good info here!
currerntly looking at a used GCsrt8 used from corporate with 4000 miles on it at 35,000 inferno red,

Just need to sell the Signed (roush)
Need something to be able to compare to the power of that!:D
That Roush is nasty. Love the color!!

I just posted this in another thread but realized it belongs here too.

Interesting article from November Road and Track (Jeep SRT8, TBSS, Blown Range, Cayenne Turbo, FX45, X5 4.8).
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=4065&page_number=1

Highlights (in my opinion):
GCSRT8
"The Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 is the new bad-ass SUV......In outright speed, it flat spanked every vehicle here....Jeep has been bragging that the GC SRT8 runs to 60 mph in under 5.0 sec., wet or dry. They weren’t lying: In our testing it ripped to 60 in just 4.6 sec. and to the quarter mile in 13.2 at 104.1 mph..... But the biggest difference is felt when you throw the GC SRT8 into a curve. In a typical Jeep, you’d be met with varying degrees of squish; with the SRT8, rock-solid handling. A 1.0-in.-lower ride height, Bilstein dampers, stiffer springs, larger anti-roll bars and 255/45R-20 front tires and 285/40R-20 rears transform the GC SRT8 from ho-hum SUV into sports-car competitor.....The Jeep is what the Cayenne should have been — focused 100percent on performance; road performance, that is.”

TBSS
"While reasonably quick in a straight line (when did 5.8 sec. to 60 mph become only reasonable?), we were let down by the SS in most other dynamic categories, such as a suspension that’s too soft for serious back-road flogging; it’s definitely not up to “supersport” levels, more like “semi-sport.” ........While none of us loved the TrailBlazer SS, and found certain aspects of it frustratingly trucklike.........Also on our “What’s up with GM?” rant list was the TrailBlazer’s 4-speed automatic, which we believe makes it the last vehicle on earth equipped with such an antiquated device......While it gets manhandled by the Jeep SRT8 in just about every performance category, we wonder if the “average Joe” might actually find the Chevy — with its smoother ride and less in-your-face attitude."

That Roush is nasty. Love the color!!
Hmmmm not quite sure what you mean by Nasty! but Ok!
the color is awesome, hate to part with it!! but I believe that listening to the last few posts and opinions, Ill sell it and most likely want to get an Srt8, I dont want to mod much either but bolt on parts like headers, CAI and the minor things are going to happen, I'll just have to wait for someone to create a tune for it..

SRT8 = sounds good to me!!

Hmmmm not quite sure what you mean by Nasty! but Ok!
the color is awesome, hate to part with it!! but I believe that listening to the last few posts and opinions, Ill sell it and most likely want to get an Srt8, I dont want to mod much either but bolt on parts like headers, CAI and the minor things are going to happen, I'll just have to wait for someone to create a tune for it..

SRT8 = sounds good to me!!
Lol. Nasty in a good way bro.

US BOW TIE BROTHERS will be having another meet in the northeast(renting track)you are more than WELCOME to join in we can show you how a 15sec TBSS runs;) 13.6 bone stock i would not be braging about that time your fellow srt owners are runing alot faster than that(stock) So i will keep you posted when. Im sure INFERNO SRT* will be their. He had a lot of fun runing with us BOW TIE BROTHERS :) NOVICE dont be so sure! Ever heard of 6 bolt mains do a little homework, before posting


No Kidding! I have seen some CRAZY things out of the LSX platform, and I am equally impressed with my little TBSS, I got in a run with a SRT8 Magnum just yesterday and I have nothing more than a computer calibration done by myself with HP tuners as a total novice and I have not even touched the timing or fuel, just got rid of the stuff holding it back and I was able to hold off the SRT8 Mag from 70 ish MPH up to over 130 and I have got to weigh nearly 1000lbs more!! I don't know about you guys but that tells me the engines are quite comparable once you let the Bowtie loose from its bridled computer!!

I do like the SRT8 jeeps though, great piece of machinery, if I was not a die hard Chevy man, and had an extra 10-15K laying around, I would have picked one up.

-Bryan

Thanks Golden!!
And ***nmovin, Nice SS. My only thought about that is your somewhat modded as you explained, and who knows if the SRT8 magnum you were running with had anything at all, but the point that im making or wondering about is, You need to Mod an ss to even compete with an Srt8. So with that said what happens if you add the same mods onto an SRT8?,,,..HOLD ON!! is what im thinking! but its not only the power that has me leaning towards an SRT8, its the many more features of a loaded SRT8 than the SS...In any case Both of these muscle suv's are fun to drive!!

I raced a TBSS with a CAI and Vector tune (he lives in my area so we converse occasionally). From a dig, he had no chance, I instantly had a few lengths and continued to pull. From a 35 mph roll, it was a lot closer, but I still pulled the whole time, even though he jumped me.

No Kidding! I have seen some CRAZY things out of the LSX platform, and I am equally impressed with my little TBSS, I got in a run with a SRT8 Magnum just yesterday and I have nothing more than a computer calibration done by myself with HP tuners as a total novice and I have not even touched the timing or fuel, just got rid of the stuff holding it back and I was able to hold off the SRT8 Mag from 70 ish MPH up to over 130 and I have got to weigh nearly 1000lbs more!! I don't know about you guys but that tells me the engines are quite comparable once you let the Bowtie loose from its bridled computer!!

-Bryan

Not really. Your engine may have been unleashed from the TQ management, but the Magnums wasn't. I also believe the Mags weigh around 4200lbs.

I raced a TBSS with a CAI and Vector tune (he lives in my area so we converse occasionally). From a dig, he had no chance, I instantly had a few lengths and continued to pull. From a 35 mph roll, it was a lot closer, but I still pulled the whole time, even though he jumped me.

interesting? I ran one bones stock to his slightly modded at the track lost by .3, same MPH (his 60' was the difference) and after a CAI/Tune I was running quicker than he was.. now... well contrary to what some believe there aint a GC SRT8 that would give me a run w/o N20... (-3000'DA days don't count ;) ) having said that if tuning ever comes out for the SRT's, they will be formidable opponents on the strip, but until then, just drop a converter in the SS and watch the Jeep get smaller by the second:D ...

well contrary to what some believe there aint a GC SRT8 that would give me a run w/o N20... (-3000'DA days don't count ;) ) having said that if tuning ever comes out for the SRT's, they will be formidable opponents on the strip, but until then, just drop a converter in the SS and watch the Jeep get smaller by the second:D ...

Inferno SRT8 is right there with you (per your Signature and his). He nailed 12.53 @ 107.96 MPH in the 1/4 with no tune but I'm sure he'll chime in. Nice times for both of you!!! I love it!!

interesting? I ran one bones stock to his slightly modded at the track lost by .3, same MPH (his 60' was the difference) and after a CAI/Tune I was running quicker than he was.. now... well contrary to what some believe there aint a GC SRT8 that would give me a run w/o N20... (-3000'DA days don't count ;) ) having said that if tuning ever comes out for the SRT's, they will be formidable opponents on the strip, but until then, just drop a converter in the SS and watch the Jeep get smaller by the second:D ...

You and Inferno live in the same area, and achieved your times within the same relative time period. Maybe you did not race during a -3000 DA day, but I guarantee the track attributes and weather were beneficial. What was the DA when you posted the 12.54? What was the corrected time? Also, you posted that time at the track... try running those times w/o DR's on the street. I raced the TBSS with Vector and CAI on the street, and he was stomped...

I found the thread on the other site... http://www.trailblazerss.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=4901&view=findpost&p=48162

TonyGXP:

What is the fastest time you ran without drag radials? I bet you that time is alot closer to what is being run by un-modded or slightly modded GC SRT8's. The shorter drag radials will definitely help with the gearing torque multiplication (as you mentoned in that thread). The gearing would help the launch... at the expense of some 1/4 mile mph.

Along those same lines, I wonder what going down to smaller circumference wheels (all the way around) for the GC SRT8 would do to performance (could also save some unsprung weight as well). I wouldn't think that a drag radial would be necessary given the AWD traction on the GC SRT8. We would probably still need at least 18" wheels to clear the brakes. Any takers to track test this theory?

BTW...nice times for the TB SS... it is a cool ride.

Tom

TonyGXP:

What is the fastest time you ran without drag radials? I bet you that time is alot closer to what is being run by un-modded or slightly modded GC SRT8's. The shorter drag radials will definitely help with the gearing torque multiplication (as you mentoned in that thread). The gearing would help the launch... at the expense of some 1/4 mile mph.

Along those same lines, I wonder what going down to smaller circumference wheels (all the way around) for the GC SRT8 would do to performance (could also save some unsprung weight as well). I wouldn't think that a drag radial would be necessary given the AWD traction on the GC SRT8. We would probably still need at least 18" wheels to clear the brakes. Any takers to track test this theory?

BTW...nice times for the TB SS... it is a cool ride.

Tom

well smart asses... let's see... the day I ran 12.5's mark (w/N2o) ran me and lost to me by .2 here... http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n141/TonyTBSS/mevssrt8GC12.jpg
not to mention that was on a -1200'DA day, not -3000'..

Before I did my converter (WHICH I PICKED UP .41 & 2mph) I ran on the same day Inferno did and went 13.04 & a couple 13.1's to his 13.0x & 13.1's.. Had I been fortunate enough to run on the -3000'DA day I would've been close to a 12.2... end of argument...

secondly, stop with the "Drag Radial" argument.. it's how I run period.. although you can ask Mark, he was there on the day I went 12.6 @106+ w/only a 1.80 60' on STOCK RIMS/TIRES.. also it was 50f out and only -500'DA.. btw he went 12.0 on the spray, if the air didn't go to **** he would've had an 11sec slip.. this was only the first time out on street tires witht he Converter in there, I will get it quicker, not to mention the 2-3 shift was to high (new program is in) and was hitting the limiter..
a few more track sessions with this current setup should yield a .1+ improvement as I get used to it and find the best place to leave at, it takes time... any more questions??

TonyGXP:

What is the fastest time you ran without drag radials? I bet you that time is alot closer to what is being run by un-modded or slightly modded GC SRT8's. The shorter drag radials will definitely help with the gearing torque multiplication (as you mentoned in that thread). The gearing would help the launch... at the expense of some 1/4 mile mph.

Along those same lines, I wonder what going down to smaller circumference wheels (all the way around) for the GC SRT8 would do to performance (could also save some unsprung weight as well). I wouldn't think that a drag radial would be necessary given the AWD traction on the GC SRT8. We would probably still need at least 18" wheels to clear the brakes. Any takers to track test this theory?

BTW...nice times for the TB SS... it is a cool ride.

Tom

the DR's are hurting more than helping IMO... they're only good for the 60', after that they don't do me any good, as indicated by me running 12.6 @106 w/1.80 60' in -500'DA on the stock wheels/tires, compared to the -1200'DA day I went 12.54 @107 w/1.67 60' on the DR's... thanks for the compliment.. I love the Jeeps, but if you know what you're doing, for not too much $$ you can take them in a straight line with relative ease.. the lack of aftermarket support for you guys is what kills.. we have EVERY POSSIBLE MOD for our vehicles available, for you, tuning is the holdup...

well smart asses... any more questions??

What is the corrected time for your best run on street tires? 12.8, 12.9? :rolleyes:

What is the corrected time for your best run on street tires? 12.8, 12.9? :rolleyes:

what's the corrected time for anyone's times?? what are you talking about... I TOLD YOU ALREADY that the DA was SH*t the day I ran and STILL WENT 12.6 @106... the corrected was 12.70 @106 was only -500'DA.. and??? how about the corrected to -3000'DA times?? i'll look that up and post that..

here it is .. Density Altitude = 2858 feet ET MPH
Uncorrected 12.70 @ 106
Corrected 12.27 @ 109.55

are you done now?

TonyGXP,
You have a nice strong running rig, but isn't your truck a two wheel drive?

TonyGXP,
You have a nice strong running rig, but isn't your truck a two wheel drive?

yes, it's 2WD... now what? I showed you the stock tire runs, you've seen what it ran on the short DR.. the SS comes with that as an option..@ or AWD drive.. I got the 2WD so I could have fun with it, as well as knowing it SHOULD be quicker due to the 200lbs less weight and recip loss.. a similarly equipped AWD would be about equal to me due to them being able to launch harder and pull a low 1.7 60', after which the 2WD should reel it in and pass it but it wouldn't be until after the full 1/4, IMO.. I have been racing this truck since it was new (1yr already), have 70+ passes on it and have watched at least a Dozen SS's. 2 and AWD as well as 4 GC SRT8's, I know what is expected of both of these trucks, given whatever mods they have.. from Turbo to N2o, both trucks...

Before I did my converter (WHICH I PICKED UP .41 & 2mph) I ran on the same day Inferno did and went 13.04 & a couple 13.1's to his 13.0x & 13.1's.. Had I been fortunate enough to run on the -3000'DA day I would've been close to a 12.2... end of argument...

hypothetical racing, lol...

secondly, stop with the "Drag Radial" argument.. it's how I run period.. although you can ask Mark, he was there on the day I went 13.6 @106+ w/only a 1.80 60' on STOCK RIMS/TIRES.. also it was 50f out and only -500'DA..

the DR's are hurting more than helping IMO... they're only good for the 60', after that they don't do me any good, as indicated by me running 13.6 @106 w/1.80 60' in -500'DA on the stock wheels/tires, compared to the -1200'DA day I went 12.54 @107 w/1.67 60' on the DR's...


Which one is it, 12.6 or 13.6?

hypothetical racing, lol...






Which one is it, 12.6 or 13.6?

fixed. hypothetical racing is what you were trying to get me to do.. I compared "same day" runs with SRT8's for you..

fixed. hypothetical racing is what you were trying to get me to do.. I compared "same day" runs with SRT8's for you..


Tony, you have a mean truck, I will leave it at that.


Could you please post the corrected time for Inferno's best run on that -3000 day?

Where can I find a correction calculator?

Tony, you have a mean truck, I will leave it at that.


Could you please post the corrected time for Inferno's best run on that -3000 day?

Where can I find a correction calculator?

modulardepot.com I will post them if I can find the accurate info.. it was 29f baro was insane, something like 30.4 and low humidity.. I did it a while back and it corrected to something in the area of a 12.9x @104 I believe.. I beleive it was around -289x'DA.. to put it mildly, once in 5 years..at least. I go every Dam weekend and the one time I have to go to a Birthday Party for a one year old.. it happens!! Mark and I went the next day and it was a joke.. 50f by 12 noon and the Baro was 30.1 and falling..

TonyGXP:

Now I know why I didn't get a TB SS....they must make the owner really irritable. I wasn't trying to be a smart @ss (at least not before). I was only asking a question. You made your point. You have some great info, a great ride and I appreciate your posts...but not everyone on here is out to get you or slam a TB SS.

Tom

I went to a local speed shop this past weekend. Outside I saw a black TBSS sitting there. I went in and purchased what I needed and on the way out the door I noticed two guys literally crawling around under my jeep! It was the owner of the TBSS and his buddy. We spent a good 20 minutes shooting the breeze and these guys were drooling over the SRT8. He was saying how he really wanted one, but couldn't locate one at any dealerships. Pretty funny, I didn't say a negative word about his truck, in fact I complimented it. He and his buddy did all the slamming! haha

I went to a local speed shop this past weekend. Outside I saw a black TBSS sitting there. I went in and purchased what I needed and on the way out the door I noticed two guys literally crawling around under my jeep! It was the owner of the TBSS and his buddy. We spent a good 20 minutes shooting the breeze and these guys were drooling over the SRT8. He was saying how he really wanted one, but couldn't locate one at any dealerships. Pretty funny, I didn't say a negative word about his truck, in fact I complimented it. He and his buddy did all the slamming! haha


With the stable your in charge of, I can't believe you have time to post on the net.. I would have NO License and no hands from polishing them all!!:D

TonyGXP:

Now I know why I didn't get a TB SS....they must make the owner really irritable. I wasn't trying to be a smart @ss (at least not before). I was only asking a question. You made your point. You have some great info, a great ride and I appreciate your posts...but not everyone on here is out to get you or slam a TB SS.

Tom, i don't know if I insulted you somewhere, sorry if I did.. I love cars/trucks and competition.. and respect all vehicles that run.

It's tough figuring out which car to drive to work everyday! I have a nice, early morning drive on the NJ Turnpike for about 40 minutes. Tomorrow I'm taking the Camaro, today I took the Red SRT8 (technically my dads but he's never home to drive it!!!) and the black one is now our Project Truck muaha!

BTW I spotted a Red TBSS today on Cross Keys Rd. in South Jersey tonight, tried to play with him a little but he didn't seem interested. Boooo!

This thread seems to be going on forever, so I thought I should pitch in my 2 cents...

Tony, that is a nice looking TBSS and congrats on the mods. Obviously no one is going to stand up long slammig a vette motor in any form.

As for the Jeep vs Blazer, my personal taste cosmetically is Jeep and thats why I bought one. But I would be lying if I said I didn't check out the SS as well. I am sure a lot of us on this site did. But if everyone had the Jeep, we wouldn't be unique. To each their own. Enjoy it.

But since this is an SRT8...I have to throw in that its nice that off the showroom floor the Jeep will make it to the gas station first!

Norcal, you know better, those remarks are people who are ANGRY about something in their own lives and use this forum (especially a "rival" like us) to take it out on.. Many of you guys are great, but just as many are from the "Benz & Bimmer" crowd and just wanted "the" hottest truck around, you got it..and you paid plenty for it..that's for sure.. it's that, that makes it much more satisfying to leave them in the dust at the track! ;) and still get 20mpg on the ride home..gotta love modern technology, stall it up to 3400, shift extension at 5200 and still 1800 RPM @65mph Thank God for Precision Industries Good luck with your trucks guys, they're beautiful and I like them alot, just not 45k+ alot, or $650/mo "alot" either..

Like Mustang vs Camaro, we will NEVER see "eye to eye".. I'd have it no other way either....

Don't be hatin cause you cant drive a Benz, Bimmer or Jeep.......Chevy Boy! After reading all your posts.......you have got to release that anger over at Benzworld.com..... you can post over there and call out one of them 11 second 4 door sleds. Other than the "Me and Chevy are so btchin" and how we Jeep owners over paid, etc, etc........ do you really have anything constructive to add here for us Jeep owners?????

Don't be hatin cause you cant drive a Benz, Bimmer or Jeep.......Chevy Boy! After reading all your posts.......you have got to release that anger over at Benzworld.com..... you can post over there and call out one of them 11 second 4 door sleds. Other than the "Me and Chevy are so btchin" and how we Jeep owners over paid, etc, etc........ do you really have anything constructive to add here for us Jeep owners?????

why do people have to prove me right? ease up on your starbucks, you can be the richest man in America, and still be a complete Tool..

why do people have to prove me right? ease up on your starbucks, you can be the richest man in America, and still be a complete Tool..

Like I said....."DONT BE HATIN".....!!!

Nothing wrong with a nice warm venti latte, sitting in real leather, satellite radio on low.... with a little plastic Chevrolet 5 car length behind me the first 60'.

Now thats livin!!!

Like I said....."DONT BE HATIN".....!!!

Nothing wrong with a nice warm venti latte, sitting in real leather, satellite radio on low.... with a little plastic Chevrolet 5 car length behind me the first 60'.

Now thats livin!!!
does your boyfriend know you talk to people like that <edited by admin>? when the petty little TBSS owners say that the SRT owners are arrogant <edited by admin>.......you're the posterchild

OKAY, I'VE HAD IT WITH THE NAME-CALLING AND PERSONAL ATTACKS...
I'm close to shutting down this thread, if you want to continue the discussion, please do so in an adult manner with respect for one another.

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Wow Hemeee

OKAY, I'VE HAD IT WITH THE NAME-CALLING AND PERSONAL ATTACKS...
I'm close to shutting down this thread, if you want to continue the discussion, please do so in an adult manner with respect for one another.


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Thank you Hemeee, just as the mud started slinging, you are able to put your foot down.
On Socalss SS, I really do like the TBSS, and now I am really starting to wonder which I can try to go with, the SRT8 with more power, bang for buck, and slightly less appearing size, ccompared to the TBSS, looking both longer and taller, with more available add-ons, with a good chunk off the price too.

hmmmms again

Welldone,
Kimono_skunk

Like I said....."DONT BE HATIN".....!!!

Nothing wrong with a nice warm venti latte, sitting in real leather, satellite radio on low.... with a little plastic Chevrolet 5 car length behind me the first 60'.
Now thats livin!!!
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Okay, now we're done here too...