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: Winstons NAG1.....after a few dyno pulls etc.


BuilderBill
09-02-2008, 07:09 AM
A brief history of Winston's beast:
It was bought as a 2006 model in August of 2007 with 12,000 miles on it. At 14K miles I took it down to KRC for the beginning of the turbo build. The initial dyno sessions were intense, probably in the range of 70-100 dynopulls at WOT, slowly upping the boost. The truck put down 651whp on a forged 6.1L block with 8:1 compression. After that I drove the truck for about 2 weeks on the street to test out how the one-off kit worked. Probably 20 or so WOT runs on 8-10psi is where she stayed.

Winston's symptoms:
The only symptoms I began to notice... a hesitation between 3-4 shift, and at the very end when you'd try to launch it would slip BAD off the line, then at 3500rpm it would engage and throw you back in your seat and shift just fine under boost. Amazing this thing held up as long as it did.

The High Torque Capacity NAG1 that I hand delivered to KRC (Marty's shop) will take care of the problems Winston encountered.
You can see why I designed high performance Kevlar clutches for our NAG1's.
The clutches were worn between 60% and 99%.
K3 clutches in the photo were worn 99% and the cause of the long 3-4 shift.
You can see by the color of the steel pressure plate how much heat was in the transmission due to the slippage.

The photos are of the K3 clutch (new one on the right) and the K3 pressure plate.
Bill

CentralTexHemi
09-02-2008, 07:51 AM
Yikes thats bad, but I'm excited to see the new tranny in action. Are you going to put Amsoil ATF+4 in there to help keep it even cooler?

Dr.Steve
09-02-2008, 07:55 AM
beautiful work Bill, I only wish I made enough horsepower to need one of those tranny's!!!!

Blown7
09-02-2008, 08:25 AM
Bill explain to me the benefits of why you chose Kevlar as a replacement material.

J

BuilderBill
09-02-2008, 08:45 AM
Bill explain to me the benefits of why you chose Kevlar as a replacement material.

J
Kevlar has been used is racing transmissions for years.
The main advantages to the Kevlar is that it is heat tolerant, has a good coefficient of friction, and is extremely durable once burnished.

The disadvantage to the Kevlar is the cost.:eek:
Paper clutch products are by far the material of choice for cost conscious manufacturers.

I did look at other materials, but none could offer any more than the Kevlar.
I'm happy with the choice.

Oh, the Kevlar is very tolerant to any type of transmission fluid.
Some of the stock paper clutches are retained (mainly the clutches used for reverse) and therefore I'm recommending to stay with ATF4 at this time.
Bill

CentralTexHemi
09-02-2008, 08:47 AM
Maybe you should make some Kevlar Phelonic Spacers as well, just a thought.

BuilderBill
09-02-2008, 08:47 AM
Yikes thats bad, but I'm excited to see the new tranny in action. Are you going to put Amsoil ATF+4 in there to help keep it even cooler?
On the fence with the Amsoil.
Recommending the ATF4 from Chrysler for the moment.

I would try it in mine, however, it is expensive to have Viper Dan do a tranny R&R to check the wear with any oil other than the Chrysler fluid.
Bill

BuilderBill
09-02-2008, 08:48 AM
Maybe you should make some Kevlar Phelonic Spacers as well, just a thought.
You may have something there!
Bill

CentralTexHemi
09-02-2008, 09:07 AM
I had a tranny temp guage in my 05 Hemi truck and just by adding the Amsoil ATF+4 vs the Chrylser ATF, it dropped the temps by 80 degrees. I have some left over from my tranny fluid swap would love to send it to whomever for testing

Blown7
09-02-2008, 10:02 AM
Some of the stock paper clutches are retained (mainly the clutches used for reverse) and therefore I'm recommending to stay with ATF4 at this time.
Bill

Which Reverse ?? R1 or R2??

Jeff

BuilderBill
09-02-2008, 10:15 AM
Which Reverse ?? R1 or R2??

Jeff
R1 & R2
Bill

navyavi469
10-26-2008, 04:22 PM
Anxious to see the pics of the inside of the tcase...

1BAMFR
10-26-2008, 05:02 PM
Screw the Jeep, His ZO6 is a BEAST