Well, it's only getting worse, and I am officially embarressed driving my car. Once these warm up, the noise becomes unbearable. It may be due to all the city driving or the snow, but either way they have to go.

Now I am looking for the best alternative to eliminate the noise from the rear. I plan on keeping the Satisfied GS6 pads up front as they have not produced noise yet. The question is what to use in the back?

I have searched the forum and the two other alternatives for noisey brakes have been the EBC Red Stuff pads and the Centric Posi-Quiet pads. Does anyone have any insight on the two? I know the Centrics compormise stopping performance, but right now I need to get rid of the niose, and I figure that with the Satisfied up front it may not be that bad.

EBC Reds or Centric Posi-Quiets???

Thanks in advance.

Well, it's only getting worse, and I am officially embarressed driving my car. Once these warm up, the noise becomes unbearable. It may be due to all the city driving or the snow, but either way they have to go.

Now I am looking for the best alternative to eliminate the noise from the rear. I plan on keeping the Satisfied GS6 pads up front as they have not produced noise yet. The question is what to use in the back?

I have searched the forum and the two other alternatives for noisey brakes have been the EBC Red Stuff pads and the Centric Posi-Quiet pads. Does anyone have any insight on the two? I know the Centrics compormise stopping performance, but right now I need to get rid of the niose, and I figure that with the Satisfied up front it may not be that bad.

EBC Reds or Centric Posi-Quiets???

Thanks in advance.

I didn't chime in on your previous thread about the back brakes, but there is a third option. I went from Centrics to Akebono Euro pads. See TireRack owner reviews on this pad:
http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/brakecomments_all.jsp?make=Akebono&model=Euro+Ceramic+Pads&group=null
Still no dust (like Centrics), somewhat better grip, and absolutely no noise (installed 5 months ago). I'm still using my "grooved" stock rotors when I installed the new pads. If you prefer the Centrics, mine have 6000 miles on them, they are yours free if you pay for shipping. If I had a choice today, I'd probably opt for the EBC redstuff(not available 5 months ago) for the backs d/t even better grip with no dust (I tow a boat and trailer, so adequate grip matters to me). I currently have EBC 7000 series in the front (similar to the redstuff in pad composition), they are low dust, reasonable grip, and totally quiet.

Hope that helps

Pieter

Well, it's only getting worse, and I am officially embarressed driving my car. Once these warm up, the noise becomes unbearable. It may be due to all the city driving or the snow, but either way they have to go.

Now I am looking for the best alternative to eliminate the noise from the rear. I plan on keeping the Satisfied GS6 pads up front as they have not produced noise yet. The question is what to use in the back?

I have searched the forum and the two other alternatives for noisey brakes have been the EBC Red Stuff pads and the Centric Posi-Quiet pads. Does anyone have any insight on the two? I know the Centrics compormise stopping performance, but right now I need to get rid of the niose, and I figure that with the Satisfied up front it may not be that bad.

EBC Reds or Centric Posi-Quiets???

Thanks in advance.

I put the EBC REDs on the past weekend and the NOISE is so bad you will think the stock pads are quiet. I have about 200 miles on the pads and will give them another couple hundreds miles before I put the old pads back on. I am not joking about how bad the noise is, I have tried several techniques including the copper non squeak paste.

Every type of aftermarket pad available for our Jeeps ends up squealing. I am begining to think the noise problem is not from the pads but maybe the calipers themselves. I also find it strange that 95% of the time the noise is coming from the passenger side rear and hardly ever one of the other corners.

:confused:

I think if the rear brakes were applied with a little more force by means of the master cyliner or something than they are right now the problem would go away. Once you step through that light braking point where the noise happens, it goes away. So why not somehow make the rear brakes squeaze a little harder from the get go. It's not like it will slow the jeep down too fast. Use your emergency brake and you'll see what I mean.

Every type of aftermarket pad available for our Jeeps ends up squealing. I am begining to think the noise problem is not from the pads but maybe the calipers themselves. I also find it strange that 95% of the time the noise is coming from the passenger side rear and hardly ever one of the other corners.

:confused:
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!
The Satisfied pads DON'T squeak!
How about you guys searching the THOUSANDS (ok, hundreds) of squeak posts.:mad:
This is my last post on damn brake squeaks.
Let's move on to thermostats.:eek:
Non-squeaky Bill

What I've heard of the ebc reds is that they have to be set-in for a few hundred miles where they WILL SQUEEL untill they mate w/ the rotors. Give us an update after a few hundred more miles.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!
The Satisfied pads DON'T squeak!
How about you guys searching the THOUSANDS (ok, hundreds) of squeak posts.:mad:
This is my last post on damn brake squeaks.
Let's move on to thermostats.:eek:
Non-squeaky Bill

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!
I have gone through two sets of Satisfied GS6 pads along it new drilled and slotted rotors with no sucess....

I did search and many of the members here with Satisfied pads also experienced significant brake noise...

:simmadown:

I now believe that all pads have a good chance of squealing with our rigs. It happens at slow speeds with every pad that has been tried and we all know the story on the stock pads.

34z28, did you install shims? My EBC Reds did not come with shims but shims were installed with my stockers and my stockers never made a sound but I wore them out at the track. I'm going to try the shims with the EBC's and see if that helps. FWIW, my EBC's made horrible, dying-cat sounds for the first 200 miles and I beat the heck out of them. Now they are silent with hard breaking but I do squeal 60% of the time at a slow stop. They will put the chin on the ground if you ask them to.

Bill, do you have shims with yours?

There has to be a univeral answer somewhere. I choose to dream big.

I now believe that all pads have a good chance of squealing with our rigs. It happens at slow speeds with every pad that has been tried and we all know the story on the stock pads.

34z28, did you install shims? My EBC Reds did not come with shims but shims were installed with my stockers and my stockers never made a sound but I wore them out at the track. I'm going to try the shims with the EBC's and see if that helps. FWIW, my EBC's made horrible, dying-cat sounds for the first 200 miles and I beat the heck out of them. Now they are silent with hard breaking but I do squeal 60% of the time at a slow stop. They will put the chin on the ground if you ask them to.

Bill, do you have shims with yours?

There has to be a univeral answer somewhere. I choose to dream big.



Yes, my EBC have shims. I put 200 more tough miles on the pads today and the brakes still sound like nails on a chalk board. I will be going back to the stock pad tonight.

EBC customer support SUCKS, I have made many attempts to get in touch, they do not answer emails or phone calls

Yes, my EBC have shims. I put 200 more tough miles on the pads today and the brakes still sound like nails on a chalk board. I will be going back to the stock pad tonight.

EBC customer support SUCKS, I have made many attempts to get in touch, they do not answer emails or phone calls

I'm not sure what is going on, since some seem to have brake noise issues and others don't. I've got the used Centric's you can have if you want to try them. Otherwise, the Akebono's I'm using are totally quiet, and are very low dust. I would be curious to see how much of the break-in material on the EBC pads is gone when you pull the pads tonight. Please let us know. My only other thought would be that there is some air in the brake lines to to the rear brakes that allow for minimal contact between the rear brake pads and the rotors when braking. If that was the case, there could be some noise issues, but I would think that most of the red break-in material would still be present on the EBC pads when you pull the pads tonight.

PM me if you want the Centrics.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!
The Satisfied pads DON'T squeak!
How about you guys searching the THOUSANDS (ok, hundreds) of squeak posts.:mad:
This is my last post on damn brake squeaks.
Let's move on to thermostats.:eek:
Non-squeaky Bill

Not true....................

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!
I have gone through two sets of Satisfied GS6 pads along it new drilled and slotted rotors with no sucess....

I did search and many of the members here with Satisfied pads also experienced significant brake noise...

:simmadown:


True............

I now believe that all pads have a good chance of squealing with our rigs. It happens at slow speeds with every pad that has been tried and we all know the story on the stock pads.

34z28, did you install shims? My EBC Reds did not come with shims but shims were installed with my stockers and my stockers never made a sound but I wore them out at the track. I'm going to try the shims with the EBC's and see if that helps. FWIW, my EBC's made horrible, dying-cat sounds for the first 200 miles and I beat the heck out of them. Now they are silent with hard breaking but I do squeal 60% of the time at a slow stop. They will put the chin on the ground if you ask them to.

Bill, do you have shims with yours?

There has to be a univeral answer somewhere. I choose to dream big.
NO shims.:)
Quiet Bill

I've used the EBCs on my other previous vehicles and had nothing but great success with them!

I've used the EBCs on my other previous vehicles and had nothing but great success with them!


Which ones did you have, the red or green stuff?

Which ones did you have, the red or green stuff?

Red Stuff.. never used the green

Red Stuff.. never used the green

I almost got some of those...but sh!t happens and mine weren't in stock at the time! So, you like them...and it does seem like I am following you around, huh...too funny!!!!

I almost got some of those...but sh!t happens and mine weren't in stock at the time! So, you like them...and it does seem like I am following you around, huh...too funny!!!!

I THINK YOU ARE ON TOO MUCH PAIN MEDICINE. HAHA!

I THINK YOU ARE ON TOO MUCH PAIN MEDICINE. HAHA!

Haha...or maybe not enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

I have the RedStuff pads in the back. Squeal was unbelievable, until I put the rubber stuff (CRC red colored stuff, let it dry first before re-installing) on the backing place and edges. Only 3 days into it, but what a difference. Grease didn't work, neither did the SS squeak plates. This rubber coating on the backs and sides seems to be the answer!

I have the RedStuff pads in the back. Squeal was unbelievable, until I put the rubber stuff (CRC red colored stuff, let it dry first before re-installing) on the backing place and edges. Only 3 days into it, but what a difference. Grease didn't work, neither did the SS squeak plates. This rubber coating on the backs and sides seems to be the answer!

This stuff? Please keep us updated on whether the noise returns.
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This stuff? Please keep us updated on whether the noise returns.
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By chance I picked up the crc stuff today. Then Mike from BWoody called and said pick up some cRC brake squeal and rotor prep, grease everything and I should be good to go.

I followed Mike's instructions, I will let you know the results tomorrow

This stuff? Please keep us updated on whether the noise returns.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41XCS6BC19L._AA229_.gif
That's the stuff. So far, so good!

This stuff? Please keep us updated on whether the noise returns.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41XCS6BC19L._AA229_.gif
Couple of weeks into the CRC coating and a light squeal (rears) has partially returned. Nothing like before, but still quit annoying. Removed the pads today and found the calipers contact with the lower compression edges of backing plates and the piston areas had completely worn through the CRC coating. The edges of the backing plate showed polished metal through the paint, so I’m thinking the vibration is wearing/sanding through the paint surface, rather than what you’d expect to find from simple compression only. While waiting for the rubber/fiberglass backings to come, I am trying the Dorman aluminum anti-squeals (sticky backed) coated with Noise Free at the piston contacts and pad/caliper contacts. Initial test drive is positive with zero noise, but only time will tell.

I have EBC pads and tried the CRC stuff and others, it only lasted 2 days for me and the problems returned. My EBC Red's are much worse from a noise perspective as compared to stock pads. An EBC rep told me this week the EBC engineers are recommending I use the Yellows and are sending out pads.

I also have the plastic shims on order..

I have EBC pads and tried the CRC stuff and others, it only lasted 2 days for me and the problems returned. My EBC Red's are much worse from a noise perspective as compared to stock pads. An EBC rep told me this week the EBC engineers are recommending I use the Yellows and are sending out pads.

I also have the plastic shims on order..

I got the rubber fiberglass shims in the mail this last week. They might be a little small at 1.5" x 3", so I'm glad I ordered an extra set. Have not tried them yet.

I am still having good (great) luck after only a week though with the Dorman 13099 aluminum shims coated with Noise Free on the non-sticky side. I didn't have enough to put anything on the pads upper edges where it rubs against the calipers in reverse only. Guess what, I only have the gawd awful screech now in reverse only. Reinforces my (now stronger) belief that the sound is coming from the edges, not the back.

Something is definitely improving. By now using just the CRC and without the aluminum Dorman shims, I had ~10% of the noise back. With the aluminum Dorman and Noise Free coating them, I have had no noise returning YET. The next two or three weeks will tell a lot more. I think the SBS rubber shims might be the best long term solution though, so in some strange way I am hoping the noise returns so I can try them. But wait, I do have noise in reverse, so maybe that’s my excuse to go for it? Boy, now I know I’m getting used to not having that squeal :).

...if you can, next time you have the pads off, take some photos of the backs and sides...

good luck!

I got the rubber fiberglass shims in the mail this last week. They might be a little small at 1.5" x 3", so I'm glad I ordered an extra set. Have not tried them yet.

I am still having good (great) luck after only a week though with the Dorman 13099 aluminum shims coated with Noise Free on the non-sticky side. I didn't have enough to put anything on the pads upper edges where it rubs against the calipers in reverse only. Guess what, I only have the gawd awful screech now in reverse only. Reinforces my (now stronger) belief that the sound is coming from the edges, not the back.

Something is definitely improving. By now using just the CRC and without the aluminum Dorman shims, I had ~10% of the noise back. With the aluminum Dorman and Noise Free coating them, I have had no noise returning YET. The next two or three weeks will tell a lot more. I think the SBS rubber shims might be the best long term solution though, so in some strange way I am hoping the noise returns so I can try them. But wait, I do have noise in reverse, so maybe that’s my excuse to go for it? Boy, now I know I’m getting used to not having that squeal :).


Thanks for sharing.......good r&d. :)

I have the Posi-Quiets and had them on for a few months. ZERO noise and almost ZERO brakedust. Which is amazing.

CAVEAT tho...they have nowhere near the stopping power of the stock. I recently had an accident in mine and believe that had I had the stocks on, I could have stopped in time before the girl hit me. So just remember that.

I'm not sure I bedded them correctly, or that even makes a difference.

My .o2.

-s-

I have EBC pads and tried the CRC stuff and others, it only lasted 2 days for me and the problems returned. My EBC Red's are much worse from a noise perspective as compared to stock pads. An EBC rep told me this week the EBC engineers are recommending I use the Yellows and are sending out pads.

I also have the plastic shims on order..

I change my EBC reds to the EBC yellows and added the rubber shims to the yellows pad over the weekend.. I still have brake noise but not near as bad as the stock pad and defiantly better then the REDS with the CRC. I don't know if it was the shims or the pads, all I know is it is tolerable. The brake dust issue for the reds or yellows is not much better then the stock pads..

EBC customer service was slow but they did step up and replace the reds with yellows on their nickel.

...if you can, next time you have the pads off, take some photos of the backs and sides...

good luck!

I took this pict after 2 wks into the CRC coating. Maybe 50% of the noise had returned in forward, none in reverse. As you can see, most of the CRC coating was worn completely through at the contact points on the back and forward edges (shown). I still had excellent coating on the reverse edges and no noise in reverse.
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii95/kodiakten/PICT4395.jpg



Cleaned up everything and applied the Noise Free coating to the non-sticky side of Dorman Aluminum shims and stuck them on the back and lower edges of the pads. I re-assembled them with the upper edges, which contacts caliper in reverse only, just like the factory does (metal to metal) and am still free of noise 10 days latter but only in forward, the noise in reverse is as bad as ever.
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I found that the back treatments/coatings/shims have had little or no effect on the noise (contrary to what I'd read). In fact, I have A LOT noise in reverse now with the backs coated with Noise Free/Dorman AL shims but the edge is NOT coated in that direction. I have no noise in forward with the only difference being that edge IS coated.

I'm missing something.
Why don't you guys read the Satisfied posts and get all these stupid brake issues behind you?:confused:
If GCulver & BuilderBill are Satisfied, you can be also.
Bill

A few people have reported brake noise after installing Satisfied pads, some have not. I hope the Satisfieds work for me as I have a set from the group buy waiting to be installed. But for now I have very minimal brake noise starting to return after having the tsb done 2000 miles ago. When it starts to get bad I will try some Noise Free which I also have, if that doesn't work I will install the Satisfied pads.

A few people have reported brake noise after installing Satisfied pads, some have not. I hope the Satisfieds work for me as I have a set from the group buy waiting to be installed. But for now I have very minimal brake noise starting to return after having the tsb done 2000 miles ago. When it starts to get bad I will try some Noise Free which I also have, if that doesn't work I will install the Satisfied pads.
Rick,
I tried EVERYTHING under the sun to get my left rear brake from squeaking.
I tried Noise Free, copper paste, shims....etc.
When I put the Satisfied on, the noise was gone within a couple of miles and they DO stop better than the Posi's.
Bill

...i have satisfied gs6 pads and they make more noise than the stock pads did on mine...

...i have satisfied gs6 pads and they make more noise than the stock pads did on mine...
Really....sorry to hear that.
I guess these rigs each have their own personality.
Bill

Rick,
I tried EVERYTHING under the sun to get my left rear brake from squeaking.
I tried Noise Free, copper paste, shims....etc.
When I put the Satisfied on, the noise was gone within a couple of miles and they DO stop better than the Posi's.
Bill


I have heard good things about the Satisfieds but they are not the permanent noise solution we are looking for.

I have heard good things about the Satisfieds but they are not the permanent noise solution we are looking for.

Wow. I just put the Satisfied pads on my rears and I went from school bus sounding brakes to absolute quiet.

I did NOT do the fronts as I was more concerned with the noise than the dust. Also, I did NOT use shims. Finally, I put that paste that came with the pads on the back of the shimless pads before installing them.

I'm confused and wonder if the inconsistent results are a product of the above not being consistent among those that have done this.

Man, I hope mine keeps up with the good results I've had so far.

Wow. I just put the Satisfied pads on my rears and I went from school bus sounding brakes to absolute quiet.

I did NOT do the fronts as I was more concerned with the noise than the dust. Also, I did NOT use shims. Finally, I put that paste that came with the pads on the back of the shimless pads before installing them.

I'm confused and wonder if the inconsistent results are a product of the above not being consistent among those that have done this.

Man, I hope mine keeps up with the good results I've had so far.

Mine were fine for the first 500 miles or so, then they started to squeal, progressively louder....1000 miles later and I am about to drive my car into Lake Michigan....

Oh man.......

Really....sorry to hear that.
I guess these rigs each have their own personality.
Bill

Like I said...

I change my EBC reds to the EBC yellows and added the rubber shims to the yellows pad over the weekend.. I still have brake noise but not near as bad as the stock pad and defiantly better then the REDS with the CRC. I don't know if it was the shims or the pads, all I know is it is tolerable. The brake dust issue for the reds or yellows is not much better then the stock pads..

EBC customer service was slow but they did step up and replace the reds with yellows on their nickel.

Well I spoke to soon, my EBC yellow pads are as bad as the reds REALLY BAD. I have gone back to the stock pads with the plastic shims and all is good for now.

EBC customer service still suchs, days and weeks to return phone calls and emails.

Mine were fine for the first 500 miles or so, then they started to squeal, progressively louder....1000 miles later and I am about to drive my car into Lake Michigan....
I've had my Satisfied on for about 6,000 miles, not a peep.
Bill