I was just wondering how the GC SRT8 would compare with the audi RS4.:confused:

look up the numbers on each...

an RS4? would most definetly eat our lunch. Maybe a regular S4 would be a better match up as long as really high speeds were not part of the race. An RS4 is an $80k car that is not in the same leage as a jeep.

That is very interesting, I'm in SA JHB and can get a new RS4 for R565k(approx $76k) , but a new GC SRT8 will cost me 550k(approx $74k). In this case would you say that the RS4 is beeter buy?

Also, the reason for my question is that a comparitive test between the RS4 and the M5 showed that at the reef the M5 achieved 0-100km(0-60) in 4,8s vs the claimed 4.7s. The RS4 did it in 5.3s vs the claimed 4.8. That is why I was wondering how the GC would compare. We have no test results(under our conditions) as yet

RS4 = 0-60 in 4.6 and 13.2 1/4 http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/11333/2007-audi-rs-4-quattro.html

Audi's website says 4.8
http://www.audiusa.com/features_specifications/0,3523,bodyStyleId-18_contentType-26,00.html?bodystyle=rs4&tab=specifications


S4 = 0-60 in 5.0
http://www.caranddriver.com/bestcars/7574/10best-cars-audi-s4-quattro.html

Audi's website says 5.3
http://www.audiusa.com/features_specifications/0,3523,bodyStyleId-10_contentType-26,00.html?bodystyle=s4sedan&tab=specifications

an RS4? would most definetly eat our lunch. Maybe a regular S4 would be a better match up as long as really high speeds were not part of the race. An RS4 is an $80k car that is not in the same leage as a jeep.

I disagree. A new M5 would eat our lunch, as well would a Z06, but the RS4's and STI's are nothing more than worthy adversaries.

Weirdly, both the S4 and RS4 are difficult to launch, even though they are AWD. I have heard the same thing for the STI as well...

An RS4 is an $80k car that is not in the same leage as a jeep.

Are you using price point to determine if a vehicle is in "the same league"?

"Grand Cherokee SRT8 accelerates from 0-60 mph in less time than Porsche Cayenne Turbo.§"


The Porsche Cayenne Turbo starts at $90k

STI's are nothing more than worthy adversaries.

Is this true? Off the line, 95% of the time I can beat an STI at least to 100mph in my G35 Coupe (I'll admit I have a couple of mods, but not much). The other 5% of the time is when either the other driver gets into the powerband before me, or they have done some work on the turbo.

I would like to hope, a stock SRT could easily put down a stock STI!

I disagree. A new M5 would eat our lunch, as well would a Z06, but the RS4's and STI's are nothing more than worthy adversaries.

Weirdly, both the S4 and RS4 are difficult to launch, even though they are AWD. I have heard the same thing for the STI as well...

The STi is a easy launch. One of the easiest to drive cars I have had. I would put a S4 and STi in the same group and a RS4 in a different/faster group.

You have to have some serious mods to beat a STi in a G35.... like a turbo/supercharger. My friend has a G35, with exhaust and pulleys and he had no chance against my STi when it was stock. I love my Jeep a lot more than the STi but a lot of people rag on the STi when they haven't even owned one. A G35 and Z are a lot slower than a STi. G35 runs about a high 5 0-60 vs STi (stock) runs low 5.

A G35 and Z are a lot slower than a STi. G35 runs about a high 5 0-60 vs STi (stock) runs low 5.

That's what a lot of people say.

Both cars are nearly the same weight, and stock the STI claims to have only 5 hp and 5 lb/ft torque more than the G claims (2005 models). I haven't gone with a supercharger...yet (it's either an SRT or the supercharger). But I have been to the dyno, and I am getting about 280hp to the wheels. I understand that a lot of power is actually lost in the AWD driveline, and I can only suppose this is why it is a much closer race. Every time I go up against a STI, I *expect* to lose. But I don't... most of the time.


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If the SRT stock doesn't eat the STI for lunch, then I might just go with the SC in my G.

I raced an S4 and put him in his place with out a problem :D

I haven't raced a stock STi... I lost to my old STi (which had almost 400hp).

I have raced a few modded SRT4 Neons and haven't lost but it has been avery close. Raced a stock SRT4 last night and toasted him.

I almost got the Z or th G35 ove rmy STi and I was going to boost it up. I talked to Nissan about the Stillen SC and they said it is annoyingly loud and that the Greddy TT is better. So do that to your G35. Plus you dont have to get a ugly hood.... I'M REALLY OFF SUBJECT NOW.

an RS4? would most definetly eat our lunch. Maybe a regular S4 would be a better match up as long as really high speeds were not part of the race. An RS4 is an $80k car that is not in the same leage as a jeep.
NOT

the rs4 has 420hp and 376 ft lbs
0-60 in 4.6
1/4 mile in 13.2

and it's 1000lbs lighter
read it car and driver today!
Flex

Please excuse my ignorance but what is an STI?

Is this true? Off the line, 95% of the time I can beat an STI at least to 100mph in my G35 Coupe (I'll admit I have a couple of mods, but not much). The other 5% of the time is when either the other driver gets into the powerband before me, or they have done some work on the turbo.

I would like to hope, a stock SRT could easily put down a stock STI!I suppose you have the world's fastest G35. Every time I've seen a WRX STI race a G35, or 350Z the STI jumps it by 1.5-2 lengths at the start & pulls it easily from there finishing the 1/4 mile 3-4 lengths ahead. I've only seen these match up 8-10 times at the track however.

Please excuse my ignorance but what is an STI?

An AWD, turbocharged sedan with 300+ hp.

http://www.edmunds.com/media/seo/500/2006.subaru.impreza.wrx.sti.jpg

Ahhhh a Subaru,been on my kill sheet RIP Respectable though

I suppose you have the world's fastest G35.

Did I say that?

I think I mentioned that my car dynos specifically at 280hp. Now take a stock STi's claimed 300hp, minus 10% loss in the drivetrain (I think this is pretty generous), and a stock STi is still under powered against my G.

My point was not to lay praise to my car...sheesh. I was simply trying to say that I am very surprised that the GC SRT doesn't blow away an STi, since I don't have too much touble with them in my current car.

I pissed all over a G35 today come to think of it.the guy had one of those big fat pipes sticking out the back,the thing was soo loud.

Did I say that?

I think I mentioned that my car dynos specifically at 280hp. Now take a stock STi's claimed 300hp, minus 10% loss in the drivetrain (I think this is pretty generous), and a stock STi is still under powered against my G.

My point was not to lay praise to my car...sheesh. I was simply trying to say that I am very surprised that the GC SRT doesn't blow away an STi, since I don't have too much touble with them in my current car.
If you're telling the truth then you're heavily modded. A very well driven G35 coupe will just barely break into the 13's. 13.9s. A well driven STI will do mid to low 13 second passes all day long.

The SRT8s are in the 13.3-13.5 range so its a drivers race against an STI but on the street (where an STI is less likely to launch at 4000+rpms) the nod will likely go to the SRT8. Same goes for the RS4.

A stock G35 will get embarassed by an STI.

If you're telling the truth then you're heavily modded

I don't get it. What would I have to gain from not "telling the truth?" <sigh>

A stock G35 will get embarassed by an STI.

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

Year Make & Model (0-60) (1/4 Mile)
2003 Subaru Sti Type RA Spec C 5.5 14.0
2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe 5.5 14.2

These are STOCK numbers. I don't see anything *embarrasing* about this.

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2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 6.1L Hemi 5.0 13.5 (drivesrt.com)
2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT 6.1L Hemi, 4.8 13.5 (MT Feb '06)

So stock, it looks like the GC SRT is about 1/2 seond quicker in the quarter mile. Not too bad for an extra 1600 lbs. :)


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I didn't miss this:
2006 Subaru WRX STI 4.5 13.0 MT

The 2003 were just the closest (by model year) direct comparison I could find that was un-biased. I'll be the first to say that the 2006 is probably one of the ones that absolutely kicks my G's ass! Not to mention the GC SRT's!

A 2003 G35 and a Z are the same as a 2006. If there was a change.... it wasn't enough.

The real STi that most people are talking about came out in 2004. This is the STi that has 300 hp/ 300 tq... This is the STi I had (2005) and this is the one that will torch a Z or G35 and make the Jeep run for its money.

I don't get it. What would I have to gain from not "telling the truth?" <sigh>
Presumably enjoyment from trolling a board? It happens a lot.



http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

Year Make & Model (0-60) (1/4 Mile)
2003 Subaru Sti Type RA Spec C 5.5 14.0
2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe 5.5 14.2

These are STOCK numbers. I don't see anything *embarrasing* about this.
Oh, you don't live in the US right? In the US, there is really only one STI and that STI (tested to 13.0 by motortrend - http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0512_rally_cars/specs_price.html) is good competition for our jeeps and would come down the sti driver's skill.


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2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 6.1L Hemi 5.0 13.5 (drivesrt.com)
2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT 6.1L Hemi, 4.8 13.5 (MT Feb '06)

So stock, it looks like the GC SRT is about 1/2 seond quicker in the quarter mile. Not too bad for an extra 1600 lbs. :)
The Grand SRT8 has been tested as low as 13.2 with a few 13.3s. The STI as low as 13.0 with some 13.5s

The STI you quoted seems to be a hair quicker than a stock WRX which is no problem for us to brush off. Those 14.0 times were almost certainly posted with a huge launch which is something you almost never come across on the street. Same with the US 04+ STI's times. This is why on the street the SRT8 will likely be the victor over the RS4 and the STI, but if their owners drive these cars to their full potential then they will likely just barely show some tail lights. I've handily beaten my friends 2006 Evolution but he has yet to launch the piss out of it.

Your 2003 G35 is nearly unchanged from the 2006, the 2003 STI is far from the same beast as the 2004+ US market STI. If you had mentioned that you were beating up on nerfed STis in the first place there would've been no misunderstanding.

Enjoy your jeep.

edit: actually it does look like you're in the US. there are no 2003 STIs here. if any of these races occured against real STIs you raced some real ****ty drivers. even from a roll an sti will pull a G35 coupe.

I think we have torn that guy down into pieces. Everybody agrees that the STi will beat him... easily.

Alright... I give up. ;)

Sure, the Sti *claims* 300 HP, stock. Do you think this is actually delivered to the wheels? The G claims 298 HP, stock. I already know this is not delivered to the wheels.

As I mentioned, 300 hp - 10% (I was trying to be generous) still brings you to only 270 HP. The reality of it is that the dyno's I have seen for stock STi's actually run in the neighborhood of 230-240 HP.

I have dyno'ed my car at 280 HP... at the wheels.

Guys, my *modded* G is fairly quick. It's not the world's greatest car, and yeah... I lose. It's not a big deal. But the STi isn't the world's greatest car, and yes, it can be beaten.

<I bet the same guys that think the STi is almighty, also don't believe that anything can beat an M3... lol>

I think we have torn that guy down into pieces. Everybody agrees that the STi will beat him... easily.

Everyone used to agree the world was flat.
That didn't make it true. :)

I will put my modded jeep up aginst a 2006 Subaru WRX STI 4.5 13.0 MT and I will walk away from him.all he will see is tail lights:D

Alright... I give up. ;)

Sure, the Sti *claims* 300 HP, stock. Do you think this is actually delivered to the wheels? The G claims 298 HP, stock. I already know this is not delivered to the wheels.

As I mentioned, 300 hp - 10% (I was trying to be generous) still brings you to only 270 HP. The reality of it is that the dyno's I have seen for stock STi's actually run in the neighborhood of 230-240 HP.

I have dyno'ed my car at 280 HP... at the wheels.

Guys, my *modded* G is fairly quick. It's not the world's greatest car, and yeah... I lose. It's not a big deal. But the STi isn't the world's greatest car, and yes, it can be beaten.

<I bet the same guys that think the STi is almighty, also don't believe that anything can beat an M3... lol>
Dynos dont mean ****, especially when comparing an AWD ride to a RWD one. What does mean **** is that an STI is capable of basement 13s stock, a G35 stock is capable of basement 14s with the possibility of a 13.9.

Im not sure what mods you did to get to 280rwhp but i doubt its enough to beat a well driven STI, especially on the street where AWD is king. Go run a 13.0 with your 280rwhp and I will believe that you have a chance against a well driven stock sti in your g35 on the street.

It is very possible that you've beaten STIs but that is not because your G is the quicker car. If you end up getting an SRT8 Jeep run it against your 280rwhp G35 and you'll show whoevers driving the infiniti taillights.

If you end up getting an SRT8 Jeep run it against your 280rwhp G35 and you'll show whoevers driving the infiniti taillights.

That's exactly what I am hoping to do...and an RS4...and.... :)

I didnt think I would see the day that a full size suv would be compared to a high powered sports car the weight of a potato chip,anyone can make a car with 12inch wheels and the size of a matchbox car go fast, I wouldnt use that car on a windy day LOL .A car with that power and weight yeah its fast,but an suv with that size and weight is magic.